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Re: : ViewMate help -- Tombstone #general

Laurie Sans <lsans@...>
 

Thank you to everyone that answered my request for a translation.

Laurie Sans
Ohio - USA


Re. Saul TCHERNICHOVSKY #general

Judith Hamilton <edenland@...>
 

Dear Amoz

When I saw your message I did a quick check on www.google.com and there
were about 10 results (I didn't check them for value). I have always found
Google the best search engine to turn to when looking for something
obscure.
Hope this will be of help.
Best wishes

Judith Hamilton Colchester UK
edenland@edialstart.net

DREIFUSS (Offenburg, Frankfurt, France?), ABRAMSON (Libau Latvia), MESSERER
(Russsia, Lithuania, Frankfurt), LOEW (Low with an umlaut) and variations
of (Zwickau, Karlsbad)


NYC Cohen Birth Certs #general

Marcia Katzel DeVries <marciadv@...>
 

I have 2 New York City birth certificates which are not my Cohens. If
either belong to you, let me know and I'll mail it to you.

Elizabeth Cohen
DOB: Dec. 25, 1897
Father: Meyer Cohen
Mother: Hinda Cohen
Residence: 64 Stantin St.

Frances Cohen
DOB: Feb. 5, 1899
Father: Jacob Cohen
Mother: Mary Cohen
Residence: 34 Monroe St.

Marcia Katzel DeVries
Concord, CA
marciadv@msn.com


Re: Origin of ZHA #general

Stan Goodman <sheol@...>
 

christian.robert19@wanadoo.fr (ROBERT Christian) opined:
I know that the name of ZHA have a Chinese origin, but is it possible
that he have also a jewish origin?
Actually, I think it's Hungarian, especially as a given name, in its
doubled form: Zsa-Zsa.

Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, ROKITA: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better):
http://www.hashkedim.com

PLEASE NOTE: Messages to the "From:" or "Reply to:" address of this
posting will NOT reach me, but will be deleted automatically unread.
Replace "sheol" with "stan". Please send plain text only.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: : ViewMate help -- Tombstone #general

Laurie Sans <lsans@...>
 

Thank you to everyone that answered my request for a translation.

Laurie Sans
Ohio - USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re. Saul TCHERNICHOVSKY #general

Judith Hamilton <edenland@...>
 

Dear Amoz

When I saw your message I did a quick check on www.google.com and there
were about 10 results (I didn't check them for value). I have always found
Google the best search engine to turn to when looking for something
obscure.
Hope this will be of help.
Best wishes

Judith Hamilton Colchester UK
edenland@edialstart.net

DREIFUSS (Offenburg, Frankfurt, France?), ABRAMSON (Libau Latvia), MESSERER
(Russsia, Lithuania, Frankfurt), LOEW (Low with an umlaut) and variations
of (Zwickau, Karlsbad)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen NYC Cohen Birth Certs #general

Marcia Katzel DeVries <marciadv@...>
 

I have 2 New York City birth certificates which are not my Cohens. If
either belong to you, let me know and I'll mail it to you.

Elizabeth Cohen
DOB: Dec. 25, 1897
Father: Meyer Cohen
Mother: Hinda Cohen
Residence: 64 Stantin St.

Frances Cohen
DOB: Feb. 5, 1899
Father: Jacob Cohen
Mother: Mary Cohen
Residence: 34 Monroe St.

Marcia Katzel DeVries
Concord, CA
marciadv@msn.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Origin of ZHA #general

Stan Goodman <sheol@...>
 

christian.robert19@wanadoo.fr (ROBERT Christian) opined:
I know that the name of ZHA have a Chinese origin, but is it possible
that he have also a jewish origin?
Actually, I think it's Hungarian, especially as a given name, in its
doubled form: Zsa-Zsa.

Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, ROKITA: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better):
http://www.hashkedim.com

PLEASE NOTE: Messages to the "From:" or "Reply to:" address of this
posting will NOT reach me, but will be deleted automatically unread.
Replace "sheol" with "stan". Please send plain text only.


Re: unbalanced work load #latvia

Shirley B. Radding <sradding@...>
 

I'd be willing to help but I don'r read any language except English. Would this be
of any help?

Shirley Radding
sradding@att.net

2. "Riga Kurlander Verein" and the unbalanced work load

Subject: "Riga Kurlander Verein" and the unbalanced work load
From: Martha Lev-Zion <martha@bgumail.bgu.ac.il>
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:59:58 +0200
It is hard for me to believe that only four of you are willing to do the
grunt work on locating and copying Kurlander burial sites in the world.
That is not enough to get the project off the ground. Are the rest of you
waiting for someone else to do the work and post it so that you can reap
the benefits? Everyone wants to find his family's information up on the
internet, but how do you think those details get there? Some of us have
sacrificed countless hours and enormous amounts of money to make our
Courland/Latvia website excellent and informative. Do the rest of you
think that happens by magic? And if the few of us who are doing all the
work burn out, where will that leave the rest of you? Will you grumble
then about having so little on the website? Or about the website not having
been updated in so long? It galls me to see how willing most of you are to
sit back and let someone else do the work or donate their hard earned
dollars/pounds/shekels to our projects when you do nothing to enjoin us and
use the information for your own genealogy without somehow pitching in. All
the energy that we dedicate to the general good of Courlanders and Latvians
we have to steal >from our own personal genealogy research and our families.
Wouldn't you think that more of you would be grateful and dedicate a little
of your energies and money to help us? I would like to know why you aren't
knocking down our doors in an effort to share the burden...

Your comments, donations and offers of help are always welcome!

Martha Levinson Lev-Zion, in Omer, Israel


Latvia SIG #Latvia Re: unbalanced work load #latvia

Shirley B. Radding <sradding@...>
 

I'd be willing to help but I don'r read any language except English. Would this be
of any help?

Shirley Radding
sradding@att.net

2. "Riga Kurlander Verein" and the unbalanced work load

Subject: "Riga Kurlander Verein" and the unbalanced work load
From: Martha Lev-Zion <martha@bgumail.bgu.ac.il>
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:59:58 +0200
It is hard for me to believe that only four of you are willing to do the
grunt work on locating and copying Kurlander burial sites in the world.
That is not enough to get the project off the ground. Are the rest of you
waiting for someone else to do the work and post it so that you can reap
the benefits? Everyone wants to find his family's information up on the
internet, but how do you think those details get there? Some of us have
sacrificed countless hours and enormous amounts of money to make our
Courland/Latvia website excellent and informative. Do the rest of you
think that happens by magic? And if the few of us who are doing all the
work burn out, where will that leave the rest of you? Will you grumble
then about having so little on the website? Or about the website not having
been updated in so long? It galls me to see how willing most of you are to
sit back and let someone else do the work or donate their hard earned
dollars/pounds/shekels to our projects when you do nothing to enjoin us and
use the information for your own genealogy without somehow pitching in. All
the energy that we dedicate to the general good of Courlanders and Latvians
we have to steal >from our own personal genealogy research and our families.
Wouldn't you think that more of you would be grateful and dedicate a little
of your energies and money to help us? I would like to know why you aren't
knocking down our doors in an effort to share the burden...

Your comments, donations and offers of help are always welcome!

Martha Levinson Lev-Zion, in Omer, Israel


SIESS FAMILY OF ALSACE and LOUISIANA #usa

fivecents <fivecents@...>
 

Good Afternoon List Members,
My name is Carol Wagner Mills. I have been researching my family tree for over two years now, having started in a small town in Avoyelles Parish, Louisiana called Mansura. My Grandmother Coberly's Mom was a SIESS.

I have discovered quite a bit of information about the three SIESS brothers, who emigrated >from Alsace around 1852 to the USA. They first appeared in Woodville, Miss., with my gg-grandfather Leopold ( b. 1833- d. Feb. 4, 1885 at Alexandria, Rapides Parish, La), applying for a marriage license there to wed one Celestine ROZ, but did not, as far as I know. A year later he converted >from Judaism to Catholicism to marry a Cajun widow - Josette CHATELAIN. His brother David ( b. June 3, 1836- d. April 7, 1925 at Mansura, Avoyelles Parish, La.) settled in Mansura, married Clara COCHRANE and raised a family there. David remained Jewish.

The other, and oldest brother Simon ( b. November 22, 1830 - d. 1924, New Orleans, Orleans Parish, La.) , also remained Jewish, and eventually married Fanny CERF and moved his family to New Orleans, La.

I have found only three European towns mentioned during the course of my investigation. David's obituary and tombstone indicates his place of birth as Lembach, Canton Wissembourg, Bas-Rhin,, France. Leopold's birthplace was M??lheim, Bavaria. ( There is a crack in the stone - but room for two letters.) I suspect that the town may actually be Molsheim, just south-west of Strasbourg.

SIESS is not a common name either in the USA or in France. Most of the references I have found to the surname SIESS, are for German or Austrian Catholic families.

Getting back to Leopold's tombstone, unearthed in September in the Jewish Cemetery in Pineville, La., the Hebrew inscription revealed that his name was "Yehudah ben Asher Halevi."

I have searched the 1808 "Prise de Noms Patronymiques" published by Pierre Katz and the "Cercle de Genealogie Juive", and the SIESS ( SUESS, or SUSS) name appears twice - once as "SUESS" in Tieffenbach, a "Barbara SUESS wife of Abraham WEILL and twice in Diemeringen as SUESEL, Baruch and his wife Dina. I have ordered more material, and will soon be getting an 1851 census >from the Bas-Rhin. In the meantime, I posted to "GerSig" several days ago and got some very valuable information: Rosanne Leeson quotes to me >from this 1851 census: "In the community of Lembach I spot the name of SUESS, not Siess (probably a simple spelling change to achieve the same sound in the U.S.). I see there, residing at #124 rue Bourg, A family of Solomon LEHMANN, with a wife, Minette THALSHEIMER, and 3 stepsons (sons of Minette): Simon SUESS, age 19; Leopold SUESS, age 18; David SUESS, age, 15. There was also a son of Minette by Solomon LEHMANN; Isaac LEHMANN, age 12.

When Leopold converted in 1856, he listed his parents as being MICHEL SIESS and MILNA DALSIN, both >from France, and both deceased. There are DALHEIMERS in Tieffenbach and the neighboring town of Struth in 1808. THALSHEIMER and DALHEIMER are not so far apart, and close enough to DALSIN to make a match. Furthermore, in the 1860 Avoyelles Parish Census
David and Simon SIESS are living with Isaac LEHMAN, age 22, a "clerk" >from France. So he is their half-brother. So these are definitely my SIESS brothers >from Avoyelles.
The SIESS brothers and their descendants married into the following Jewish families in Rapides, Avoyelles, and Orleans Parish, La. : KAFFI, FRIEND, GODCHAUX, WEIL, MAYER, LEVIN, LIEBREICH, LICHTEN, CERF, SILVERSTONE, SOLOMONSON, PORTNOY, FARKAS, CRAGER, MENDELSON, LOPEZ, KAHN and WEIS.

Thanks in advance for any information anyone on the list could provide regarding any of these Louisiana/Mississippi families.


Carol Wagner Mills - Puerto Vallarta, Mexico - fivecents@pvnet.com.mx


Early American SIG #USA Fwd: SIESS FAMILY OF ALSACE and LOUISIANA #usa

fivecents <fivecents@...>
 

Good Afternoon List Members,
My name is Carol Wagner Mills. I have been researching my family tree for over two years now, having started in a small town in Avoyelles Parish, Louisiana called Mansura. My Grandmother Coberly's Mom was a SIESS.

I have discovered quite a bit of information about the three SIESS brothers, who emigrated >from Alsace around 1852 to the USA. They first appeared in Woodville, Miss., with my gg-grandfather Leopold ( b. 1833- d. Feb. 4, 1885 at Alexandria, Rapides Parish, La), applying for a marriage license there to wed one Celestine ROZ, but did not, as far as I know. A year later he converted >from Judaism to Catholicism to marry a Cajun widow - Josette CHATELAIN. His brother David ( b. June 3, 1836- d. April 7, 1925 at Mansura, Avoyelles Parish, La.) settled in Mansura, married Clara COCHRANE and raised a family there. David remained Jewish.

The other, and oldest brother Simon ( b. November 22, 1830 - d. 1924, New Orleans, Orleans Parish, La.) , also remained Jewish, and eventually married Fanny CERF and moved his family to New Orleans, La.

I have found only three European towns mentioned during the course of my investigation. David's obituary and tombstone indicates his place of birth as Lembach, Canton Wissembourg, Bas-Rhin,, France. Leopold's birthplace was M??lheim, Bavaria. ( There is a crack in the stone - but room for two letters.) I suspect that the town may actually be Molsheim, just south-west of Strasbourg.

SIESS is not a common name either in the USA or in France. Most of the references I have found to the surname SIESS, are for German or Austrian Catholic families.

Getting back to Leopold's tombstone, unearthed in September in the Jewish Cemetery in Pineville, La., the Hebrew inscription revealed that his name was "Yehudah ben Asher Halevi."

I have searched the 1808 "Prise de Noms Patronymiques" published by Pierre Katz and the "Cercle de Genealogie Juive", and the SIESS ( SUESS, or SUSS) name appears twice - once as "SUESS" in Tieffenbach, a "Barbara SUESS wife of Abraham WEILL and twice in Diemeringen as SUESEL, Baruch and his wife Dina. I have ordered more material, and will soon be getting an 1851 census >from the Bas-Rhin. In the meantime, I posted to "GerSig" several days ago and got some very valuable information: Rosanne Leeson quotes to me >from this 1851 census: "In the community of Lembach I spot the name of SUESS, not Siess (probably a simple spelling change to achieve the same sound in the U.S.). I see there, residing at #124 rue Bourg, A family of Solomon LEHMANN, with a wife, Minette THALSHEIMER, and 3 stepsons (sons of Minette): Simon SUESS, age 19; Leopold SUESS, age 18; David SUESS, age, 15. There was also a son of Minette by Solomon LEHMANN; Isaac LEHMANN, age 12.

When Leopold converted in 1856, he listed his parents as being MICHEL SIESS and MILNA DALSIN, both >from France, and both deceased. There are DALHEIMERS in Tieffenbach and the neighboring town of Struth in 1808. THALSHEIMER and DALHEIMER are not so far apart, and close enough to DALSIN to make a match. Furthermore, in the 1860 Avoyelles Parish Census
David and Simon SIESS are living with Isaac LEHMAN, age 22, a "clerk" >from France. So he is their half-brother. So these are definitely my SIESS brothers >from Avoyelles.
The SIESS brothers and their descendants married into the following Jewish families in Rapides, Avoyelles, and Orleans Parish, La. : KAFFI, FRIEND, GODCHAUX, WEIL, MAYER, LEVIN, LIEBREICH, LICHTEN, CERF, SILVERSTONE, SOLOMONSON, PORTNOY, FARKAS, CRAGER, MENDELSON, LOPEZ, KAHN and WEIS.

Thanks in advance for any information anyone on the list could provide regarding any of these Louisiana/Mississippi families.


Carol Wagner Mills - Puerto Vallarta, Mexico - fivecents@pvnet.com.mx


The Krause/Horn Family #usa

Darkside24us@...
 

Hi all,

My name is Shawn Shanholtzer. I am trying to find my ancestors >from IL. I
have Elizabeth Krause b. 2-4-1819 in Bavaria, Germany and Henry Horn b.
3-26-1810 in Bavaria, Germany. They were married in 1840 in Germany. They
came across the Atlantic in 1844 with their daughter. On the trip over
Elizabeth gave birth to a son (5-23-1844). The trip took them 6 weeks and
they landed in New Orleans, LA. Henry went up the MS River to find a place
for his family. He settled in Mt. Pulaski, IL and then sent for the family.
Elizabeth and Henry had a total of 8 children:
Mary b. 9-4-1841 in Germany
Martin Paulus b. 5-23-1844 while aboard ship
John b. 12-27-1847
Nicholas b. 2-5-1850
Rosa Anna b. 12-14-1854
HenryJr., 10-5-1857
Katherine b. 9-23-1859
Elizabeth b. 1-21-1864 (this is my gg grandmother)

Does anyone out there have information on this family? Or maybe know of how I
can find out what ship they came across in? Or any other information that
would help me locate this family prior to them coming across?

Thank you so much for your help in advance.

Shawn Shanholtzer
Manteo, NC


Early American SIG #USA The Krause/Horn Family #usa

Darkside24us@...
 

Hi all,

My name is Shawn Shanholtzer. I am trying to find my ancestors >from IL. I
have Elizabeth Krause b. 2-4-1819 in Bavaria, Germany and Henry Horn b.
3-26-1810 in Bavaria, Germany. They were married in 1840 in Germany. They
came across the Atlantic in 1844 with their daughter. On the trip over
Elizabeth gave birth to a son (5-23-1844). The trip took them 6 weeks and
they landed in New Orleans, LA. Henry went up the MS River to find a place
for his family. He settled in Mt. Pulaski, IL and then sent for the family.
Elizabeth and Henry had a total of 8 children:
Mary b. 9-4-1841 in Germany
Martin Paulus b. 5-23-1844 while aboard ship
John b. 12-27-1847
Nicholas b. 2-5-1850
Rosa Anna b. 12-14-1854
HenryJr., 10-5-1857
Katherine b. 9-23-1859
Elizabeth b. 1-21-1864 (this is my gg grandmother)

Does anyone out there have information on this family? Or maybe know of how I
can find out what ship they came across in? Or any other information that
would help me locate this family prior to them coming across?

Thank you so much for your help in advance.

Shawn Shanholtzer
Manteo, NC


Re: Vedomosti Project #ukraine

SingingTM@...
 

In a message dated 1/10/2001 1:05:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,
ukraine@lyris.jewishgen.org writes:

<< As you are probably aware, the Ukraine SIG is investigating the feasibility
of purchasing microfilm of the Kiev Gubernskie Vedomosti, in order to
translate relevant material & make it available on our website. This is
what we've learned so far.

There are 136 reels of microfilm.
In correspondence with the NYPL, we were given this information. The
Gubernskie Vedomosti is on hundreds of microfilm reels. It is too expensive
and almost impossible to make hard copies. >>

Have these records ever been microfilmed by the Latter Day Saints?
If so, copies of the microfilms could be ordered through the Family History
Centers and made available at any Centers desired worldwide.
If they have never been microfilmed by LDS, then you may want to contact the
LDS about options for making the records available. Their involvement could
relieve U SIG of the financial burden of doing it ourselves while making the
records available to the group.

Contact me privately for more information.

Jeff Miller
Olney, Maryland
SingingTM@aol.com


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Vedomosti Project #ukraine

SingingTM@...
 

In a message dated 1/10/2001 1:05:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,
ukraine@lyris.jewishgen.org writes:

<< As you are probably aware, the Ukraine SIG is investigating the feasibility
of purchasing microfilm of the Kiev Gubernskie Vedomosti, in order to
translate relevant material & make it available on our website. This is
what we've learned so far.

There are 136 reels of microfilm.
In correspondence with the NYPL, we were given this information. The
Gubernskie Vedomosti is on hundreds of microfilm reels. It is too expensive
and almost impossible to make hard copies. >>

Have these records ever been microfilmed by the Latter Day Saints?
If so, copies of the microfilms could be ordered through the Family History
Centers and made available at any Centers desired worldwide.
If they have never been microfilmed by LDS, then you may want to contact the
LDS about options for making the records available. Their involvement could
relieve U SIG of the financial burden of doing it ourselves while making the
records available to the group.

Contact me privately for more information.

Jeff Miller
Olney, Maryland
SingingTM@aol.com


Re: Kievskie Gubernskie Vedomosti Project #ukraine

Les Ungerleider & Lyn Blyden <slu@...>
 

Just a thought-
Since a publishing firm wants to have organizations buy it, we might think
- who are some of the other owners of the microfilm. LDS perhaps? Other
universities or libraries?

I did a web search on 'Vedomosti' just to get an idea of the number of hits
and their sources.

I am so new to JewishGen I hesitate to make this recommendation. But I
wonder........

Please keep me informed!


Regards,
Lyn Blyden

MODERATOR'S NOTE: We welcome ALL of your ideas, whether you're just starting out, or are a weathered veteran. Don't be shy about posting your questions & suggestions to the List. :-)

-----Original Message-----
... $100 a film, although if you buy the whole set at once, there's a
discount:

Kievskie gubernskie vedomosti, 1838-1917
136 reels of 35mm microfilm -- $11,000


If anyone else can give us some ideas on how we can undertake this project
more efficiently & less expensively, I'd be very grateful for your
suggestions. It's alright to share your answers with our mailing list, & I
look forward to any & all helpful thoughts about the project.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: Kievskie Gubernskie Vedomosti Project #ukraine

Les Ungerleider & Lyn Blyden <slu@...>
 

Just a thought-
Since a publishing firm wants to have organizations buy it, we might think
- who are some of the other owners of the microfilm. LDS perhaps? Other
universities or libraries?

I did a web search on 'Vedomosti' just to get an idea of the number of hits
and their sources.

I am so new to JewishGen I hesitate to make this recommendation. But I
wonder........

Please keep me informed!


Regards,
Lyn Blyden

MODERATOR'S NOTE: We welcome ALL of your ideas, whether you're just starting out, or are a weathered veteran. Don't be shy about posting your questions & suggestions to the List. :-)

-----Original Message-----
... $100 a film, although if you buy the whole set at once, there's a
discount:

Kievskie gubernskie vedomosti, 1838-1917
136 reels of 35mm microfilm -- $11,000


If anyone else can give us some ideas on how we can undertake this project
more efficiently & less expensively, I'd be very grateful for your
suggestions. It's alright to share your answers with our mailing list, & I
look forward to any & all helpful thoughts about the project.


Re: From Rose Linden #hungary

David and BethLong <dnblong@...>
 

I didn't see an answer to this question yet, so...

The zipcode for Tiszaluc is 3565. The site to locate Hungarian zipcodes is
http://www.posta.hu/

Beth Long

"Does anyone know of a resource for postal zone numbers for towns/cities in Hungary? <snip>

RoseLinden@aol.com


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: From Rose Linden #hungary

David and BethLong <dnblong@...>
 

I didn't see an answer to this question yet, so...

The zipcode for Tiszaluc is 3565. The site to locate Hungarian zipcodes is
http://www.posta.hu/

Beth Long

"Does anyone know of a resource for postal zone numbers for towns/cities in Hungary? <snip>

RoseLinden@aol.com