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koevesd
#hungary
frishmechlis <frishmechlis@...>
hallo h-siggers,
does anyone knows where can i find town or village of koevesd in greater hungary (todays hungary or slovakia). thank you in advance karl frish hod-hasharon israel Moderator VK: Kövesd was in Bihar megye, Élesdi jaras. This area is now in Romania. there are a number of other places with the suffix -kovesd. As I've suggested many times before, one of the easiest ways to locate places when all you have is a pre-Trianon name is to check the 1913 Gazetter at Janos Bogardi's Radix website http://www.bogardi.com/gen/index.shtml
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Hungary SIG #Hungary koevesd
#hungary
frishmechlis <frishmechlis@...>
hallo h-siggers,
does anyone knows where can i find town or village of koevesd in greater hungary (todays hungary or slovakia). thank you in advance karl frish hod-hasharon israel Moderator VK: Kövesd was in Bihar megye, Élesdi jaras. This area is now in Romania. there are a number of other places with the suffix -kovesd. As I've suggested many times before, one of the easiest ways to locate places when all you have is a pre-Trianon name is to check the 1913 Gazetter at Janos Bogardi's Radix website http://www.bogardi.com/gen/index.shtml
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Re: Nemes Somogy
#hungary
alex p miller <alex-miller@...>
Omri
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How about sending me the original message in Hungarian On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 08:38:56 +0200 "Omri Arnon" <Omri@netvision.net.il> writes:
Vivian, thanks for your answer. I looked for "Nemes" in ShtetlSeeker,
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1812 census
#hungary
Peter Block <peter.block@...>
Good evening everyone,
Coming back to Alex Miller's letter of yesterday, where can I get hold of the 1812 census? I am looking for the family of my ggfather Lazar London . In the 1848 census he was described as an innkeeper living in Mad, Semplen county. Best wishes, Peter Block, London UK.
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Nemes Somogy
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alex p miller <alex-miller@...>
Omri
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How about sending me the original message in Hungarian On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 08:38:56 +0200 "Omri Arnon" <Omri@netvision.net.il> writes:
Vivian, thanks for your answer. I looked for "Nemes" in ShtetlSeeker,
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Hungary SIG #Hungary 1812 census
#hungary
Peter Block <peter.block@...>
Good evening everyone,
Coming back to Alex Miller's letter of yesterday, where can I get hold of the 1812 census? I am looking for the family of my ggfather Lazar London . In the 1848 census he was described as an innkeeper living in Mad, Semplen county. Best wishes, Peter Block, London UK.
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Re: Research idea
#hungary
ron <ruebin7@...>
Hi Alex,
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I have a REGNA MULLER,my GGM,who was born 1812,in Nagy Narton...or matterburg......is there any onnection, she married a Joseph BAUER.I have no more information on her...... Look forward to hearing >from you Regards Ron Bower Melbourne Australia
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From: "alex p miller" <alex-miller@juno.com> To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 2:44 AM Subject: [h-sig] Research idea Hello Friends,biggest brick wall facing most of us who are researching Hungarian roots. Based on census data collected by those very precise Austrians, we know that the substantial increases in the Hungarian Jewish population that took place during the late 18th and early to mid-19th century were the result of in-migration. Many of our ancestors came >from Galicia during that period. Thanks to Henry Wellisch, we now know that it is possible to trace our roots back to the late 18th century. How should we organize our resources to make this leap back in the history of Hungarian Jewry? Please give me your thoughts because this is clearly a matter worth discussion at the H-SIG business meeting in Washington. I hope to include input >from the many landsmen (and landswomen!) who participate in our discussions but can't join us in Washington. How shall we proceed?
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Research idea
#hungary
ron <ruebin7@...>
Hi Alex,
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
I have a REGNA MULLER,my GGM,who was born 1812,in Nagy Narton...or matterburg......is there any onnection, she married a Joseph BAUER.I have no more information on her...... Look forward to hearing >from you Regards Ron Bower Melbourne Australia
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From: "alex p miller" <alex-miller@juno.com> To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 2:44 AM Subject: [h-sig] Research idea Hello Friends,biggest brick wall facing most of us who are researching Hungarian roots. Based on census data collected by those very precise Austrians, we know that the substantial increases in the Hungarian Jewish population that took place during the late 18th and early to mid-19th century were the result of in-migration. Many of our ancestors came >from Galicia during that period. Thanks to Henry Wellisch, we now know that it is possible to trace our roots back to the late 18th century. How should we organize our resources to make this leap back in the history of Hungarian Jewry? Please give me your thoughts because this is clearly a matter worth discussion at the H-SIG business meeting in Washington. I hope to include input >from the many landsmen (and landswomen!) who participate in our discussions but can't join us in Washington. How shall we proceed?
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See you in DC!
#hungary
Susan E. King <susan.king@...>
As we put the finishing touches on our preparations for the 23rd
International Conference on Jewish Genealogy in Washington, DC, we look forward to seeing many of you there. Always a highlight at these conferences is reuniting with old friends and meeting new ones. JewishGen is looking forward to several major announcements and the launch of some very exciting research tools during our evening presentation on Tuesday, July 22. You will see that we have been quite busy behind the scenes this year. JewishGen continues its ongoing commitment to preserving our Jewish heritage. Since January 1, 2003 and becoming affiliated with the Museum of Jewish Heritage - A Living Memorial to the Holocaust, we have been able to clear the data backlog and begin in earnest to implement systems for presenting data in ways never before possible. We have purchased and deployed three brand new higher-end servers to handle the workload we are currently experiencing and that which we anticipate in the near future. We have also been able to use one of the older servers to migrate the Ellis Island Database systems for better access. To accomplish all we have done so far this year, we have nearly depleted the funds that we raised >from the First Annual Appeal we began last year at this time. We know that if you review all that we have accomplished in 2003 http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen/WhatsNew.html and see what will be coming in a few short weeks, you will agree that our commitment is stronger than ever! Your commitment to JewishGen is more important than ever. Your financial support will provide essential means for us to continue the momentum and to allow JewishGen to share all of these exciting resources with our growing global community. JewishGen's Second Annual Appeal starts NOW! http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/ <http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/> Our goal, $1,000,000! With your help, JewishGen will reach a milestone of over 1,000,000 new records in 2003 alone. With your ongoing financial support along with the tools and technical resources now in place, we can keep these numbers growing at phenomenal rates. Look at it this way, for every dollar you commit, you will be supporting one NEW record to be available to the JewishGen community ! from time to time, we hear >from many of you who participate in theJGFFAlert about the great success you have had with this value-added service. Over the course of the next week, while we put the finishing touches on "what" is to come, it would be great if those of you who have had success with the JGFFAlert, or with any of JewishGen's other services, could share these success stories with us all. Not only would such sharing provide new ideas and concepts to help break through specific barriers to research, but these stories are, in their own way, perhaps the best testament to the commitment JewishGen has for all who have an interest in their Jewish heritage. Look around. Where else can one find the synergy of participation, the commitment of resources, the sharing of information, and the creativity for projects that can open up new opportunities for our research? Your gift today will ensure that these objectives can be met. Your gift today will ensure that we can bring forth records that have never before been available to us. We thank you all for your kind words and your support through 2003. Together we can make this a year to remember! Susan Susan E. King Managing Director JewishGen, Inc. susan.king@jewishgen.org http://www.jewishgen.org
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Pre 1895 Records from Ugocsa Megye
#hungary
Solomon <ariksolo@...>
Hi all,
My family comes >from a small village named Turcz, north-east of Sate-Mare. This village was once part of the Ugocsa megye. In a visit last summer, my parents managed to get records of their birth, and even their parents'. When asking about records of their grandparents, they were answered that all pre 1895 records are kept in the national archives. I wonder if this is true for records >from Transylvania - were they kept in Bucharest or rather in the local county seat (Nagyszallas in the case of Ugocsa which today is part of Ukraine), or even maybe in the current county capital (Satu-Mare) ? Thanks for the help, Arik Solomon Petah Tikva Israel Searching for: SOLOMON/SALAMON >from TURT/TURCZ GRUN >from SATU-MARE/SZATMAR,SIGHET NEUFELD >from VAMA/VAMFALU FEIG >from RUSKOVA/VISOOROSZI MARMOR >from SIGHET
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Hungary SIG #Hungary See you in DC!
#hungary
Susan E. King <susan.king@...>
As we put the finishing touches on our preparations for the 23rd
International Conference on Jewish Genealogy in Washington, DC, we look forward to seeing many of you there. Always a highlight at these conferences is reuniting with old friends and meeting new ones. JewishGen is looking forward to several major announcements and the launch of some very exciting research tools during our evening presentation on Tuesday, July 22. You will see that we have been quite busy behind the scenes this year. JewishGen continues its ongoing commitment to preserving our Jewish heritage. Since January 1, 2003 and becoming affiliated with the Museum of Jewish Heritage - A Living Memorial to the Holocaust, we have been able to clear the data backlog and begin in earnest to implement systems for presenting data in ways never before possible. We have purchased and deployed three brand new higher-end servers to handle the workload we are currently experiencing and that which we anticipate in the near future. We have also been able to use one of the older servers to migrate the Ellis Island Database systems for better access. To accomplish all we have done so far this year, we have nearly depleted the funds that we raised >from the First Annual Appeal we began last year at this time. We know that if you review all that we have accomplished in 2003 http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen/WhatsNew.html and see what will be coming in a few short weeks, you will agree that our commitment is stronger than ever! Your commitment to JewishGen is more important than ever. Your financial support will provide essential means for us to continue the momentum and to allow JewishGen to share all of these exciting resources with our growing global community. JewishGen's Second Annual Appeal starts NOW! http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/ <http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/> Our goal, $1,000,000! With your help, JewishGen will reach a milestone of over 1,000,000 new records in 2003 alone. With your ongoing financial support along with the tools and technical resources now in place, we can keep these numbers growing at phenomenal rates. Look at it this way, for every dollar you commit, you will be supporting one NEW record to be available to the JewishGen community ! from time to time, we hear >from many of you who participate in theJGFFAlert about the great success you have had with this value-added service. Over the course of the next week, while we put the finishing touches on "what" is to come, it would be great if those of you who have had success with the JGFFAlert, or with any of JewishGen's other services, could share these success stories with us all. Not only would such sharing provide new ideas and concepts to help break through specific barriers to research, but these stories are, in their own way, perhaps the best testament to the commitment JewishGen has for all who have an interest in their Jewish heritage. Look around. Where else can one find the synergy of participation, the commitment of resources, the sharing of information, and the creativity for projects that can open up new opportunities for our research? Your gift today will ensure that these objectives can be met. Your gift today will ensure that we can bring forth records that have never before been available to us. We thank you all for your kind words and your support through 2003. Together we can make this a year to remember! Susan Susan E. King Managing Director JewishGen, Inc. susan.king@jewishgen.org http://www.jewishgen.org
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Pre 1895 Records from Ugocsa Megye
#hungary
Solomon <ariksolo@...>
Hi all,
My family comes >from a small village named Turcz, north-east of Sate-Mare. This village was once part of the Ugocsa megye. In a visit last summer, my parents managed to get records of their birth, and even their parents'. When asking about records of their grandparents, they were answered that all pre 1895 records are kept in the national archives. I wonder if this is true for records >from Transylvania - were they kept in Bucharest or rather in the local county seat (Nagyszallas in the case of Ugocsa which today is part of Ukraine), or even maybe in the current county capital (Satu-Mare) ? Thanks for the help, Arik Solomon Petah Tikva Israel Searching for: SOLOMON/SALAMON >from TURT/TURCZ GRUN >from SATU-MARE/SZATMAR,SIGHET NEUFELD >from VAMA/VAMFALU FEIG >from RUSKOVA/VISOOROSZI MARMOR >from SIGHET
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Research idea
#hungary
alex p miller <alex-miller@...>
Hello Friends,
When we get to the beginning of 1800's, most of us reach that thick brick wall where the records seem to dissolve into the mist of bygone times. Any breach in this wall is worth gold. One ray of light seems to come >from death records. Here is a case: My Müller gggfather was born in village 'X" in Zemplen county in 1826. I have been trying to determine how long had his family been in this village. The census of 1812 shows no Müllers, but there are 2 listings of first names that could be candidates. He married and moved to another village where he spent the rest of his life and where I have done a lot of research. Here among some records I found the death certificate of a certain Hani Heimlich who was born as Hani Müller, in village 'X' in 1816. That seems to prove with high level of certainty that the Müllers were indeed in that village at the time of the 1812 census and I can safely consider the two 'wild card' candidates as ancestors. Creating county wide death databases would be a great tool to break through the brick wall. I welcome an comments Best regards, Alex Miller, Reading, PA Moderator VK: Alex has identified the problem that I consider to be the biggest brick wall facing most of us who are researching Hungarian roots. Based on census data collected by those very precise Austrians, we know that the substantial increases in the Hungarian Jewish population that took place during the late 18th and early to mid-19th century were the result of in-migration. Many of our ancestors came >from Galicia during that period. Thanks to Henry Wellisch, we now know that it is possible to trace our roots back to the late 18th century. How should we organize our resources to make this leap back in the history of Hungarian Jewry? Please give me your thoughts because this is clearly a matter worth discussion at the H-SIG business meeting in Washington. I hope to include input >from the many landsmen (and landswomen!) who participate in our discussions but can't join us in Washington. How shall we proceed?
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Re: Name equivalents
#hungary
Robert Neu
All this is true. The same person may be listed in the same register
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with different given names, but usually either starting letter or meaning the same name. I have ancestors who appear as Marton, Moritz or Markus, Simon or Samuel, Betti or Ezsebet.You have to evaluate the other information to determine if it is the same person (age, location, other people named in the same record.) Robert Neu --- Gary@FamilyD.com wrote:
Omri,
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Research idea
#hungary
alex p miller <alex-miller@...>
Hello Friends,
When we get to the beginning of 1800's, most of us reach that thick brick wall where the records seem to dissolve into the mist of bygone times. Any breach in this wall is worth gold. One ray of light seems to come >from death records. Here is a case: My Müller gggfather was born in village 'X" in Zemplen county in 1826. I have been trying to determine how long had his family been in this village. The census of 1812 shows no Müllers, but there are 2 listings of first names that could be candidates. He married and moved to another village where he spent the rest of his life and where I have done a lot of research. Here among some records I found the death certificate of a certain Hani Heimlich who was born as Hani Müller, in village 'X' in 1816. That seems to prove with high level of certainty that the Müllers were indeed in that village at the time of the 1812 census and I can safely consider the two 'wild card' candidates as ancestors. Creating county wide death databases would be a great tool to break through the brick wall. I welcome an comments Best regards, Alex Miller, Reading, PA Moderator VK: Alex has identified the problem that I consider to be the biggest brick wall facing most of us who are researching Hungarian roots. Based on census data collected by those very precise Austrians, we know that the substantial increases in the Hungarian Jewish population that took place during the late 18th and early to mid-19th century were the result of in-migration. Many of our ancestors came >from Galicia during that period. Thanks to Henry Wellisch, we now know that it is possible to trace our roots back to the late 18th century. How should we organize our resources to make this leap back in the history of Hungarian Jewry? Please give me your thoughts because this is clearly a matter worth discussion at the H-SIG business meeting in Washington. I hope to include input >from the many landsmen (and landswomen!) who participate in our discussions but can't join us in Washington. How shall we proceed?
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Name equivalents
#hungary
Robert Neu
All this is true. The same person may be listed in the same register
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
with different given names, but usually either starting letter or meaning the same name. I have ancestors who appear as Marton, Moritz or Markus, Simon or Samuel, Betti or Ezsebet.You have to evaluate the other information to determine if it is the same person (age, location, other people named in the same record.) Robert Neu --- Gary@FamilyD.com wrote:
Omri,
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Information on family names living at Apartment House - 469 Alabama Ave,Brooklyn,NY years 1951-1958
#general
Barbara <cbwilk@...>
I have some information that might come in handy for someone's search.
My Grandfather Samual Berzak,owned an apartment house in Brooklyn Ny. I have the acct book >from the years of 1952-1958. Apartment house was 469 Alabama Ave,Brooklyn,Ny The ledger only has last names.If I see a first name I will post it . 1951 Some dates of death are listed. year 1951 Freidman Sterling**died Dec 7/1953 Skelmik Cornfied Cohen Mack*moved out sept 28,1951 kaplan Linny Zipper Abredsky Goldstein Pendroff* moved sept 9, 1953 Sprung Levy Iefkowitz(lifkowitz) Finn Jermsky Markowitz *moved sept 15/1953*** Feldstein Berkowiyz levine Skelnik Maller Berkowitz *moved 12/4/57 to 475 Hazel street* ***1953***Different names in the acct book Bergin Cornfield Cohen***died feb 1954 Bessan Massel (moved in May 1 ,1952) Gerber Mishel(first name i think)( moved out Oct 1,1951) Levin Crosby(first name nathan) moved Jan 15/52 Koandel***(died march 8,1954) ***August*** 1953***8 Charles Stahl moved in Aug 31 1953 ***April 1954*** new name to acct book *** Epstein,Hoffman,Shapiro,newman,Stahll, Larry Kaufman ***August 1955***new name in acct book - Girona, Katz Martin(moved in March 15/55 mother in law 793 Vermont N1-9-5571 (apt 21)(In 1955 Epstein moved) *** aug 1957** new names- Gerenstein,Bada Pedro,Requero,Torres,breqel,Roth **1958** Angelo Miotto apt 16 moved in Aug 1,1958 Winthrup street (brown stone) May 1959 Charney Buck apt # 94 Oct 1959 Cohen (front apt O.P.A Barbara Wilkenshoff( Elizabeth City,NC,USA) searching GAMSA,GAMSZ,GAMSE(and other spelling),SHULAR,BERZAK, LEVINE
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Information on family names living at Apartment House - 469 Alabama Ave,Brooklyn,NY years 1951-1958
#general
Barbara <cbwilk@...>
I have some information that might come in handy for someone's search.
My Grandfather Samual Berzak,owned an apartment house in Brooklyn Ny. I have the acct book >from the years of 1952-1958. Apartment house was 469 Alabama Ave,Brooklyn,Ny The ledger only has last names.If I see a first name I will post it . 1951 Some dates of death are listed. year 1951 Freidman Sterling**died Dec 7/1953 Skelmik Cornfied Cohen Mack*moved out sept 28,1951 kaplan Linny Zipper Abredsky Goldstein Pendroff* moved sept 9, 1953 Sprung Levy Iefkowitz(lifkowitz) Finn Jermsky Markowitz *moved sept 15/1953*** Feldstein Berkowiyz levine Skelnik Maller Berkowitz *moved 12/4/57 to 475 Hazel street* ***1953***Different names in the acct book Bergin Cornfield Cohen***died feb 1954 Bessan Massel (moved in May 1 ,1952) Gerber Mishel(first name i think)( moved out Oct 1,1951) Levin Crosby(first name nathan) moved Jan 15/52 Koandel***(died march 8,1954) ***August*** 1953***8 Charles Stahl moved in Aug 31 1953 ***April 1954*** new name to acct book *** Epstein,Hoffman,Shapiro,newman,Stahll, Larry Kaufman ***August 1955***new name in acct book - Girona, Katz Martin(moved in March 15/55 mother in law 793 Vermont N1-9-5571 (apt 21)(In 1955 Epstein moved) *** aug 1957** new names- Gerenstein,Bada Pedro,Requero,Torres,breqel,Roth **1958** Angelo Miotto apt 16 moved in Aug 1,1958 Winthrup street (brown stone) May 1959 Charney Buck apt # 94 Oct 1959 Cohen (front apt O.P.A Barbara Wilkenshoff( Elizabeth City,NC,USA) searching GAMSA,GAMSZ,GAMSE(and other spelling),SHULAR,BERZAK, LEVINE
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DC2003 Update (Important)
#general
Elias Savada <elias@...>
Our registration company, deep into the packet preparation cycle for the
forthcoming conference, has closed off all phone registrations and additions to pre-existing registrations. Please do not contact them at this time. If you procrastinated for an early week SIG luncheon (not available for purchase at the hotel during the conference because of a 72- hour catering commitment), I will offer one last ditch solution, but it will cost you a little more for this personalized service. If you notify me no later than next Wednesday noon that you want to attend any of the luncheons to be held on Monday (Belarus and Germany) or Tuesday (Galicia and Latvia) during the conference week, tickets, at $30 each, will be reserved. Incomplete or erroneous emails will not be processed; specify exactly which luncheon and which day and which type of meal (kosher or non- kosher). Make sure you get it right the first time. Also, and most important, you will be held liable for payment, even if you do not attend. By sending me a request, we expect and demand that you honor your commitment. You should email credit card information to me (number/exp. date/name on card)to reserve your spot(s). This will be processed as an add-on item when you receive your conference credentials. If you wish to pay by cash or check, payment will be required at the time you arrive to pick up your registration packet. This offer does not include SIG luncheons for Wednesday or Thursday, which can be purchased at the hotel no later than Sunday or Monday conference week. === Elias Savada Co-Chair, 23rd IAJGS Conference on Jewish Genealogy July 20-25, 2003 - Washington DC www.jewishgen.org/dc2003 (please respond to esavada@mac.com)
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen DC2003 Update (Important)
#general
Elias Savada <elias@...>
Our registration company, deep into the packet preparation cycle for the
forthcoming conference, has closed off all phone registrations and additions to pre-existing registrations. Please do not contact them at this time. If you procrastinated for an early week SIG luncheon (not available for purchase at the hotel during the conference because of a 72- hour catering commitment), I will offer one last ditch solution, but it will cost you a little more for this personalized service. If you notify me no later than next Wednesday noon that you want to attend any of the luncheons to be held on Monday (Belarus and Germany) or Tuesday (Galicia and Latvia) during the conference week, tickets, at $30 each, will be reserved. Incomplete or erroneous emails will not be processed; specify exactly which luncheon and which day and which type of meal (kosher or non- kosher). Make sure you get it right the first time. Also, and most important, you will be held liable for payment, even if you do not attend. By sending me a request, we expect and demand that you honor your commitment. You should email credit card information to me (number/exp. date/name on card)to reserve your spot(s). This will be processed as an add-on item when you receive your conference credentials. If you wish to pay by cash or check, payment will be required at the time you arrive to pick up your registration packet. This offer does not include SIG luncheons for Wednesday or Thursday, which can be purchased at the hotel no later than Sunday or Monday conference week. === Elias Savada Co-Chair, 23rd IAJGS Conference on Jewish Genealogy July 20-25, 2003 - Washington DC www.jewishgen.org/dc2003 (please respond to esavada@mac.com)
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