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ViewMate translations, a question, and thank you #general

Mpcamitta@...
 

Dear genners,
Thanks to the very generous genners who translated viewmate 2930, 2931,
and 2932, who I have written to individually as well. But I do have a
question about the second line of viewmate 2930 that someone may be able
to help answer. One translator says that Leibe BASSEIN was born into a
family of bakers, another translator says that Leibe Bassein was born
into the OFIM family. This would make quite a difference in terms of my
research. I do know that his father, a cantor in Minsk, worked in the
family bakery, was well known for his matzoh, as well as for his bass
voice. I'd also like to know what other people may see in the Hebrew -
born into a family of bakers, or into the OFIM family.
If anybody can shed light on this, I'd be most appreciative.
Sincerely,
Miriam Camitta
Wynnewood, PA

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate translations, a question, and thank you #general

Mpcamitta@...
 

Dear genners,
Thanks to the very generous genners who translated viewmate 2930, 2931,
and 2932, who I have written to individually as well. But I do have a
question about the second line of viewmate 2930 that someone may be able
to help answer. One translator says that Leibe BASSEIN was born into a
family of bakers, another translator says that Leibe Bassein was born
into the OFIM family. This would make quite a difference in terms of my
research. I do know that his father, a cantor in Minsk, worked in the
family bakery, was well known for his matzoh, as well as for his bass
voice. I'd also like to know what other people may see in the Hebrew -
born into a family of bakers, or into the OFIM family.
If anybody can shed light on this, I'd be most appreciative.
Sincerely,
Miriam Camitta
Wynnewood, PA

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Given names Feka and Rhane #general

m leonards <m_leonards@...>
 

I have just received an 1881 marriage certificate >from the Bydgoszcz
Archives (now Poland). Samuel STARGARDTER, aged 57, born in Sepolnie,
was the son of Feka STARGARDTER and Rhane TUCHLER, residents of Sepolnie.
There is a mark like a comma below the "a" in "Feka". The handwriting is
very clear.

Please note that, although the record is >from Tuchel (today Tuchola), and
uses the standard Prussian civil registration form, it is in Polish (both
the printed form and the written entries). Sepolnie is undoubtedly
Zempelburg, today called Sepolno Krajenskie. I believe the parents' given
names have inflected endings, but I don't know what the uninflected
versions would be.

I can't find any mentions of "Feka" or "Rhane" on the JewishGen or SIG
archives. Has anyone encountered these given names before?

Thank you for your help.
Monica Leonards
Glenside, PA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Given names Feka and Rhane #general

m leonards <m_leonards@...>
 

I have just received an 1881 marriage certificate >from the Bydgoszcz
Archives (now Poland). Samuel STARGARDTER, aged 57, born in Sepolnie,
was the son of Feka STARGARDTER and Rhane TUCHLER, residents of Sepolnie.
There is a mark like a comma below the "a" in "Feka". The handwriting is
very clear.

Please note that, although the record is >from Tuchel (today Tuchola), and
uses the standard Prussian civil registration form, it is in Polish (both
the printed form and the written entries). Sepolnie is undoubtedly
Zempelburg, today called Sepolno Krajenskie. I believe the parents' given
names have inflected endings, but I don't know what the uninflected
versions would be.

I can't find any mentions of "Feka" or "Rhane" on the JewishGen or SIG
archives. Has anyone encountered these given names before?

Thank you for your help.
Monica Leonards
Glenside, PA


What is this surname? #general

IsraelP <zach4v6@...>
 

Please have a look at www.pikholz.org/LeonJakob.html where you will see a
handwriting question. I don't want to prejudice you by telling you too
much in advance.

Thank you and gemar hatima tovah.

Israel Pickholtz

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen What is this surname? #general

IsraelP <zach4v6@...>
 

Please have a look at www.pikholz.org/LeonJakob.html where you will see a
handwriting question. I don't want to prejudice you by telling you too
much in advance.

Thank you and gemar hatima tovah.

Israel Pickholtz

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Need help finding info about a burial on Mount of Olives - Jerusalem #general

Meyer Denn <meyersdenn@...>
 

Hi fellow Jewish-genners,

Is there anyone in Jerusalem who can help me find some information about
two relatives that are buried on the Mount of Olives (Har Ha'zeitim)?
These graves would have been >from the early part of the 20th century.

Please contact me privately.

Thank you and a g'mar chatima tova!

Meyer Denn
Los Angeles, CA
meyersdenn@webbox.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Need help finding info about a burial on Mount of Olives - Jerusalem #general

Meyer Denn <meyersdenn@...>
 

Hi fellow Jewish-genners,

Is there anyone in Jerusalem who can help me find some information about
two relatives that are buried on the Mount of Olives (Har Ha'zeitim)?
These graves would have been >from the early part of the 20th century.

Please contact me privately.

Thank you and a g'mar chatima tova!

Meyer Denn
Los Angeles, CA
meyersdenn@webbox.com


researching: BRZYSKIER from Chorzele and Przasnsyz #general

Marty Meyers <meyers01@...>
 

I just had a eureka moment.

I've been looking for the surname of my ggg-grandmother, who despite
extensive records, had previously been known to me only as Malka z Haim i
Lai. I knew that Haim was dead in 1821 when my ggg-grandmother Malka
married Wigdor ZYLBERMAN and that Lai was alive in 1821 at the marriage.
I settled on the relatively painful task of looking at all microfilm
records in Przasnsyz and looking for marriages or deaths where the
parents were Haim and Laja

Luck was with me when I found a marriage record
for Juda Leyb BRZYSKIER and Gitla SMARWIDLO in 1835 whose parents were
indeed a Haim (deceased) and Lai (alive).
The connection was proven when I saw my ggg-grandfather Wigdor ZYLBERMAN's
signature as a witness to the wedding of his brother-in-law.

Armed with this surname, I found that Juda Leyb BRZYSKIER had a son Chaim
Ber who was married in 1857, also in Przasnsyz. In 1857, Juda Leyb was
deceased (but no death certificate has been found). Since my gg-
grandfather Juda Leyb ZYLBERMAN was born in 1844, and this is the first
instance of the name Juda Lejb in the extensive ZYLBERMAN family tree, I
assume that my gggf was named after Malka's deceased brother, who
presumably died before 1844 (less than 9 years after his marriage).

So to make a long story short, if these BRZYSKIER names sounds familiar,
please contact me privately at <meyers01@comcast.net>

I've copies of other BRZYSKIER records >from Chorzele and Przasnsyz but
have yet to go through them. Other BRZYSKIER families appear to be headed
by [Berek and Leja] and [Mortki and Sura].

Marty Meyers


Re: London phone help #general

Al Yellon <me@...>
 

This is only partly correct. >from a USA phone you must dial, in the
following order:

011-44-207-679-7373

I don't think that this is correct. >from the US to the UK the code is
44 so the number is 0044 20 7679 7373.

The codes are given on http://www.kropla.com/dialcode.htm.
Al Yellon


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen researching: BRZYSKIER from Chorzele and Przasnsyz #general

Marty Meyers <meyers01@...>
 

I just had a eureka moment.

I've been looking for the surname of my ggg-grandmother, who despite
extensive records, had previously been known to me only as Malka z Haim i
Lai. I knew that Haim was dead in 1821 when my ggg-grandmother Malka
married Wigdor ZYLBERMAN and that Lai was alive in 1821 at the marriage.
I settled on the relatively painful task of looking at all microfilm
records in Przasnsyz and looking for marriages or deaths where the
parents were Haim and Laja

Luck was with me when I found a marriage record
for Juda Leyb BRZYSKIER and Gitla SMARWIDLO in 1835 whose parents were
indeed a Haim (deceased) and Lai (alive).
The connection was proven when I saw my ggg-grandfather Wigdor ZYLBERMAN's
signature as a witness to the wedding of his brother-in-law.

Armed with this surname, I found that Juda Leyb BRZYSKIER had a son Chaim
Ber who was married in 1857, also in Przasnsyz. In 1857, Juda Leyb was
deceased (but no death certificate has been found). Since my gg-
grandfather Juda Leyb ZYLBERMAN was born in 1844, and this is the first
instance of the name Juda Lejb in the extensive ZYLBERMAN family tree, I
assume that my gggf was named after Malka's deceased brother, who
presumably died before 1844 (less than 9 years after his marriage).

So to make a long story short, if these BRZYSKIER names sounds familiar,
please contact me privately at <meyers01@comcast.net>

I've copies of other BRZYSKIER records >from Chorzele and Przasnsyz but
have yet to go through them. Other BRZYSKIER families appear to be headed
by [Berek and Leja] and [Mortki and Sura].

Marty Meyers


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: London phone help #general

Al Yellon <me@...>
 

This is only partly correct. >from a USA phone you must dial, in the
following order:

011-44-207-679-7373

I don't think that this is correct. >from the US to the UK the code is
44 so the number is 0044 20 7679 7373.

The codes are given on http://www.kropla.com/dialcode.htm.
Al Yellon


Translation of Medical Term Needed #general

Stephanie Weiner <laguna@...>
 

Greetings, Genners,

I have just received a death record, and would like to know what cause
of death was attributed to. The column heading is "Choroba i rodzaj
smierci" in what I assume is Polish, and "Krankheit und Todesart" in
German -- I'm assuming this is translated as "cause of death" or some
similar phrase. The term that is written in, as best as I can make it
out, is "Gruzlica". What might "Gruzlica" be?

TIA for your help.

Stephanie Weiner
San Diego, CA, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Translation of Medical Term Needed #general

Stephanie Weiner <laguna@...>
 

Greetings, Genners,

I have just received a death record, and would like to know what cause
of death was attributed to. The column heading is "Choroba i rodzaj
smierci" in what I assume is Polish, and "Krankheit und Todesart" in
German -- I'm assuming this is translated as "cause of death" or some
similar phrase. The term that is written in, as best as I can make it
out, is "Gruzlica". What might "Gruzlica" be?

TIA for your help.

Stephanie Weiner
San Diego, CA, USA


Re: What would be some nicknames form Menahem Mendel #general

Yeruchem & Fraida Cohen
 

Most of the Menachem Mendels I know (and I know many of them because I am
Chabad) are called Mendel or Mendy.

What would be some nicknames form Menahem Mendel?
Thanks
Ilya Petrovich Vasuki


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: What would be some nicknames form Menahem Mendel #general

Yeruchem & Fraida Cohen
 

Most of the Menachem Mendels I know (and I know many of them because I am
Chabad) are called Mendel or Mendy.

What would be some nicknames form Menahem Mendel?
Thanks
Ilya Petrovich Vasuki


Germany, Czech, Poland and Slovakia travel report #hungary

Tomer Brunner <tomerbr@...>
 

Dear friend,
During Sep 1st to Sep 25th I was traveling in Europe
in search of my roots. The following is a travel report which
I will try to make with less presonal details and more general
tips and ideas which can help anyone who planes to travel anywhere.

*********************************************************************
THOSE WHO DON'T WANT TO READ EVERYTHING ARE ADVISED TO READ AT LEAST
THE INTERESTING TIPS AND STORIES ABOUT THE TOWNS DUBIECKO AND ULANOW.
**********************************************************************

I mail this message to few SIGs eventhough few of the places mentioned are
not of interest to some of those SIGs but I'm sure that the tips and stories
are good for all, no matter what country.

***If anyone on this list can copy this message to the Galician Sig please
let me know ***

I visited the following places:
1) Czech rep.: Prague, Kolin, Brno, Rousinov.
2) Germany: Altenkunstadt, Burgkunstadt.
3) Poland: Krakow, Bochnia, Brzesko, Nowy Wisnicz, Uscie Solna, Wrzepia,
Dubiecko, Przemysl, Lezajsk, Lancut, Sieniawa, Ulanow, Rozwadow.
4) Slovakia: Kosice, Sobrance, Chonkovce, Konus, Tibava, Namestovo.


The goals of this travel were to continue my first trip, which I made 2
years ago
in Hungary, Slovakia, Czech and Austria.
In every place I was trying to find any jewish remains, like synagogue and
cemetery,
go over all the tombstones and looking not only for those of my relatives
but of all rabbis, Dayan,
Schochet, Mohel, More Zedek and other leaders of the community.
I also recorded stones with "Yichus", that means with details about the
ancestors
of the buried.

Documenting tombstones is not an easy task at all. even now, after
photographing
hundereds of them, I don't always get the results I wish. There are few
technics
of doing it. I hope that in the near future I will find the time to write
about that too.
Anyways, I first copied to a notebook the inscription and then (but not in
all cases)
I photographed the stone.

<snip>


SLOVAKIA:
~~~~~~~~~

Chonkovce + Konus + Tibava:
___________________________
this village is located NE to Sonrance, NE Slovakia.
I couldn't find anything jewish there and was told by local people that
the closest cemetery is located about 2 Km away in a village called Konus.
I went there and found, after a walk of few hundreds of meters in the field,
the jewish cemetery. Its in quite a good condition, has fence around it (not
locked)
and no vegetation problem. A woman >from the USA whose family burried there
is paying
someone to take care of it. there are 60 tombstones. the earliest dating
back to
around 1864.
There's another cemetery not far >from there in Tibava, next to the local
cristian one.

I'm not sure why, maybe because its so isolated or because I had time, I
DOCUMENTED
ALL STONES (those visible. except the ones lying with the face down) IN BOTH
CEMETERIES.

I didn't take photos of all the stones but have the inscription of all.
Will try to make it public asap.


Namestovo:
__________
located in the Tatra mountains in north Slovakia.
The town was boombed during WWII and also had been flooded in the
1950's after a dam was build. about 2 thirds of the town were flooded
as I heard. Again, after visiting the town hall I got great help and
went to the cemetery, which is found only few meters away >from the water
of the lake created by the dam.
Today there are few tens of stones, some date back to the 1860's.
Some stones can be found lying in the sand near the water.
When the water level in high the cemetery might be partly flooded.
Many of the stones are gone. either under water or stolen by local people
for buiding, as happen in *many* places.
The mayor (or Primator, as they call it) told me that some of the stones
were moved to Dolny Kubin.
Some of the names that can be found on the t-stones are:
Strauss, Schlesinger, Bronner, Gross, Steinberger, Koffler, Heller,
Ackersman, Schwartz, Stein, Grunwald and more that I can't remember.
_______


Another thing I did was to document, in every cemetery, the names of women
from the t-stones since many of them are not so common and not at all in use
today.
Unlike the male names which are usually quite known.

Well, hope you got good ideas.
In case of replies please mail me also at: tomertomer22@walla.co.il

GMAR CHATIMA TOVA,
Tomer Brunner, Israel

Moderator VK: I have deleted portions of this lengthy message that do not directly relate to the areas within the scope of the Hungarian SIG. If you would like more info about Tomer's trip, please contact him off-list.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Germany, Czech, Poland and Slovakia travel report #hungary

Tomer Brunner <tomerbr@...>
 

Dear friend,
During Sep 1st to Sep 25th I was traveling in Europe
in search of my roots. The following is a travel report which
I will try to make with less presonal details and more general
tips and ideas which can help anyone who planes to travel anywhere.

*********************************************************************
THOSE WHO DON'T WANT TO READ EVERYTHING ARE ADVISED TO READ AT LEAST
THE INTERESTING TIPS AND STORIES ABOUT THE TOWNS DUBIECKO AND ULANOW.
**********************************************************************

I mail this message to few SIGs eventhough few of the places mentioned are
not of interest to some of those SIGs but I'm sure that the tips and stories
are good for all, no matter what country.

***If anyone on this list can copy this message to the Galician Sig please
let me know ***

I visited the following places:
1) Czech rep.: Prague, Kolin, Brno, Rousinov.
2) Germany: Altenkunstadt, Burgkunstadt.
3) Poland: Krakow, Bochnia, Brzesko, Nowy Wisnicz, Uscie Solna, Wrzepia,
Dubiecko, Przemysl, Lezajsk, Lancut, Sieniawa, Ulanow, Rozwadow.
4) Slovakia: Kosice, Sobrance, Chonkovce, Konus, Tibava, Namestovo.


The goals of this travel were to continue my first trip, which I made 2
years ago
in Hungary, Slovakia, Czech and Austria.
In every place I was trying to find any jewish remains, like synagogue and
cemetery,
go over all the tombstones and looking not only for those of my relatives
but of all rabbis, Dayan,
Schochet, Mohel, More Zedek and other leaders of the community.
I also recorded stones with "Yichus", that means with details about the
ancestors
of the buried.

Documenting tombstones is not an easy task at all. even now, after
photographing
hundereds of them, I don't always get the results I wish. There are few
technics
of doing it. I hope that in the near future I will find the time to write
about that too.
Anyways, I first copied to a notebook the inscription and then (but not in
all cases)
I photographed the stone.

<snip>


SLOVAKIA:
~~~~~~~~~

Chonkovce + Konus + Tibava:
___________________________
this village is located NE to Sonrance, NE Slovakia.
I couldn't find anything jewish there and was told by local people that
the closest cemetery is located about 2 Km away in a village called Konus.
I went there and found, after a walk of few hundreds of meters in the field,
the jewish cemetery. Its in quite a good condition, has fence around it (not
locked)
and no vegetation problem. A woman >from the USA whose family burried there
is paying
someone to take care of it. there are 60 tombstones. the earliest dating
back to
around 1864.
There's another cemetery not far >from there in Tibava, next to the local
cristian one.

I'm not sure why, maybe because its so isolated or because I had time, I
DOCUMENTED
ALL STONES (those visible. except the ones lying with the face down) IN BOTH
CEMETERIES.

I didn't take photos of all the stones but have the inscription of all.
Will try to make it public asap.


Namestovo:
__________
located in the Tatra mountains in north Slovakia.
The town was boombed during WWII and also had been flooded in the
1950's after a dam was build. about 2 thirds of the town were flooded
as I heard. Again, after visiting the town hall I got great help and
went to the cemetery, which is found only few meters away >from the water
of the lake created by the dam.
Today there are few tens of stones, some date back to the 1860's.
Some stones can be found lying in the sand near the water.
When the water level in high the cemetery might be partly flooded.
Many of the stones are gone. either under water or stolen by local people
for buiding, as happen in *many* places.
The mayor (or Primator, as they call it) told me that some of the stones
were moved to Dolny Kubin.
Some of the names that can be found on the t-stones are:
Strauss, Schlesinger, Bronner, Gross, Steinberger, Koffler, Heller,
Ackersman, Schwartz, Stein, Grunwald and more that I can't remember.
_______


Another thing I did was to document, in every cemetery, the names of women
from the t-stones since many of them are not so common and not at all in use
today.
Unlike the male names which are usually quite known.

Well, hope you got good ideas.
In case of replies please mail me also at: tomertomer22@walla.co.il

GMAR CHATIMA TOVA,
Tomer Brunner, Israel

Moderator VK: I have deleted portions of this lengthy message that do not directly relate to the areas within the scope of the Hungarian SIG. If you would like more info about Tomer's trip, please contact him off-list.


Re: NEW BOOK "When Angels Fooled the World" #hungary

Eloedfamily@...
 

Dear Steven,

yes, he has been named as one of the Righteous Gentiles.


As far as I know, there is a second Hungarian Evangelical pastor who hes
been named as one of the Righteous Gentiles, he has hidden one or two Jewish
person-s under the pulpit in the Lutheran Church at Deak Ter in Pest. I can't
remember offhand his name.


By the way, if you go to the Internet, there is quite a lot available on the
subject of Gabor Stehlo. Various WEB sites and Book published in both
Hungarian as well as English.

Leslie Eloed
California


Re: Shana Tovah! #bessarabia

Eloedfamily@...
 

Thank you, with best wishes to you and the staff and all helpers,

Leslie Eloed