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Budapest safe houses #hungary

Michele Sankar <sankosy@...>
 

Hello -

As more of my grandmother's story unfolds, the more questions come up!

Does anyone know if there is a list or database of safe houses in
Budapest during the Holocaust? My grandmother's family (GLOCKNER)
converted >from Judaism to Catholicism when she was about 5 years old in
1918 or 1919. Somehow (thank G-d), they survived the war without being
found out (bribes?), although my 90-year-old grandmother will not
discuss this and I have know idea what happened.

A couple of addresses where my newly married grandmother and her parents
resided were Iranyi utca and Saru utca, although I'm not sure which one
was during the war years. There may be another address as well, which
I'll have to confirm. If anyone knows whether these streets were in
"safe zones", or if there is a list I can cross-check, I would be most
grateful.

Sincerely,

Michele Sankar

Searching:

GLOCKNER/GABOR - Budapest
GLOCKNER, BECK - Somogy megye
WEINBERGER - Baja (Bacs-Bodrog)
FREUND - Paks (Tolna)
WINTER - Sena/Abauj-Szina (Kosice) & Salgotarjan
HOLLANDER, WIZNER/WISNER, SPITZ - Sena/Abauj-Szina (Kosice)
SEIDNER - Salgotarjan, Budapest


Re: Holocaust Educattion Week in Toronto #hungary

BruceKitty@...
 

Will these presentations be made available in the form of audio-recordings or
printed,
for purchase by those of us who are not able to travel to Toronto ?
Thanks,
Kitty Sauber


Hungary SIG #Hungary Budapest safe houses #hungary

Michele Sankar <sankosy@...>
 

Hello -

As more of my grandmother's story unfolds, the more questions come up!

Does anyone know if there is a list or database of safe houses in
Budapest during the Holocaust? My grandmother's family (GLOCKNER)
converted >from Judaism to Catholicism when she was about 5 years old in
1918 or 1919. Somehow (thank G-d), they survived the war without being
found out (bribes?), although my 90-year-old grandmother will not
discuss this and I have know idea what happened.

A couple of addresses where my newly married grandmother and her parents
resided were Iranyi utca and Saru utca, although I'm not sure which one
was during the war years. There may be another address as well, which
I'll have to confirm. If anyone knows whether these streets were in
"safe zones", or if there is a list I can cross-check, I would be most
grateful.

Sincerely,

Michele Sankar

Searching:

GLOCKNER/GABOR - Budapest
GLOCKNER, BECK - Somogy megye
WEINBERGER - Baja (Bacs-Bodrog)
FREUND - Paks (Tolna)
WINTER - Sena/Abauj-Szina (Kosice) & Salgotarjan
HOLLANDER, WIZNER/WISNER, SPITZ - Sena/Abauj-Szina (Kosice)
SEIDNER - Salgotarjan, Budapest


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Holocaust Educattion Week in Toronto #hungary

BruceKitty@...
 

Will these presentations be made available in the form of audio-recordings or
printed,
for purchase by those of us who are not able to travel to Toronto ?
Thanks,
Kitty Sauber


Annie FISCHER (pianist): jewish? #hungary

Daniel Teichman <daniel.teichman@...>
 

Does anybody know whether the famous hungarian pianist Annie FISCHER (born
July 5th 1914 in Budapest, died April 1995 in Budapest) was jewish?

Daniel Teichman
Zurich, Switzerland
daniel.teichman@...


Hungary SIG #Hungary Annie FISCHER (pianist): jewish? #hungary

Daniel Teichman <daniel.teichman@...>
 

Does anybody know whether the famous hungarian pianist Annie FISCHER (born
July 5th 1914 in Budapest, died April 1995 in Budapest) was jewish?

Daniel Teichman
Zurich, Switzerland
daniel.teichman@...


"Sunshine" #hungary

B Frederics <picturethisfilm@...>
 

I'm responding to Michael Kelemen's message regarding the movie "Sunshine".
I won't answer his questions regarding the film here. However, it is a movie
that every Hungarian Jew searching their family roots should see. The story
covers the late 19th century through the Hungarian uprising against the
communists. It is actually about three generations of a Jewish family in
Budapest and because of anti-Semitism, are forced to choose between their
faith and professional success. The relationships between family members are
not incestuous (as Michael questions), but evolve >from a longing to be
accepted for the person they are, something nearly impossible in 19th
century Austria-Hungary.

My Hungarian family was very much like the SONNENSCHEINE aka SUNSHINE
family, with each successive generation removing themselves further from
their Jewish roots. Some changed their name or the spelling to be less
Magyar and more German for business reasons, while living in Budapest. As I
watched the film, I felt a kinship to the characters and had a better
understanding of my forebearers.

Bonnie Frederics
Tucson, AZ
picturethisfilm@...

Seeking:
ZEISLER, UNGER, ECSEDI, LOWY, HERTZFELD
(Budapest, Gyongyos, DiosGyor, Kazinc, Ga'cs)

Subject: Sunshine
From: "Michael Kelemen" <m.kel@...>
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:52:17 -0400
X-Message-Number: 8

This is off-topic so it's best if
any responses are directed to me
personally at m.kel@...

Last night the Canadian Broadcasting
Corporation showed "Sunshine".

Interviews with Robert Lantos who spoke
about his own life and Ralph Fiennes
who spoke at length about the director,
Istvan Szabo, can be found at the CBC
website (below).

http://www.cbc.ca/television/behindthescenes.html

But, I didn't fully understand the film.

First the son, Ignatz, marries his sister/cousin.
Then she has an affair with his brother.
Then Ignaztz son, Adam, has an affair with his brother's wife.
Then Ignatz' grandson, Ivan, chooses an inaccessible, married
woman as a lover and has his closest personal relationship
with his grandmother. (We see them chatting on the bed).

The director said that the film is about Jews
trying to fit into Hungarian society. In the end,
however, Ivan reverts to the family's original, Jewish
name, Sonnenscheine, and is happy for the very first time.
(His grandmother also calls identifies Sonnenscheine
just before she dies).

Does the inability to break out of the family romantically
betray the fact that these Hungarian Jews unable to really
break away >from their background?

And, at the end, Adam says that his grandmother had
been the only family member to have ever been free.
I didn't see that. She left her husband when his
commitment to being dispassionate Austro-Hungarian
judge makes him stuffy but she did nothing to stall
the urge to assimilate which in the end is seen as
the villain of the piece.

Regards,

Michael Kelemen

Moderator VK: This is slightly off-topic but may be of interest to those
who heard Rita Horvath's presentation on Hungarian-Jewish Family Novels at
the IAJGS conference. Please continue the discussion off-list unless
there's something to say that's more relevant to the topic of
Hungarian-Jewish family research.


Hungary SIG #Hungary "Sunshine" #hungary

B Frederics <picturethisfilm@...>
 

I'm responding to Michael Kelemen's message regarding the movie "Sunshine".
I won't answer his questions regarding the film here. However, it is a movie
that every Hungarian Jew searching their family roots should see. The story
covers the late 19th century through the Hungarian uprising against the
communists. It is actually about three generations of a Jewish family in
Budapest and because of anti-Semitism, are forced to choose between their
faith and professional success. The relationships between family members are
not incestuous (as Michael questions), but evolve >from a longing to be
accepted for the person they are, something nearly impossible in 19th
century Austria-Hungary.

My Hungarian family was very much like the SONNENSCHEINE aka SUNSHINE
family, with each successive generation removing themselves further from
their Jewish roots. Some changed their name or the spelling to be less
Magyar and more German for business reasons, while living in Budapest. As I
watched the film, I felt a kinship to the characters and had a better
understanding of my forebearers.

Bonnie Frederics
Tucson, AZ
picturethisfilm@...

Seeking:
ZEISLER, UNGER, ECSEDI, LOWY, HERTZFELD
(Budapest, Gyongyos, DiosGyor, Kazinc, Ga'cs)

Subject: Sunshine
From: "Michael Kelemen" <m.kel@...>
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:52:17 -0400
X-Message-Number: 8

This is off-topic so it's best if
any responses are directed to me
personally at m.kel@...

Last night the Canadian Broadcasting
Corporation showed "Sunshine".

Interviews with Robert Lantos who spoke
about his own life and Ralph Fiennes
who spoke at length about the director,
Istvan Szabo, can be found at the CBC
website (below).

http://www.cbc.ca/television/behindthescenes.html

But, I didn't fully understand the film.

First the son, Ignatz, marries his sister/cousin.
Then she has an affair with his brother.
Then Ignaztz son, Adam, has an affair with his brother's wife.
Then Ignatz' grandson, Ivan, chooses an inaccessible, married
woman as a lover and has his closest personal relationship
with his grandmother. (We see them chatting on the bed).

The director said that the film is about Jews
trying to fit into Hungarian society. In the end,
however, Ivan reverts to the family's original, Jewish
name, Sonnenscheine, and is happy for the very first time.
(His grandmother also calls identifies Sonnenscheine
just before she dies).

Does the inability to break out of the family romantically
betray the fact that these Hungarian Jews unable to really
break away >from their background?

And, at the end, Adam says that his grandmother had
been the only family member to have ever been free.
I didn't see that. She left her husband when his
commitment to being dispassionate Austro-Hungarian
judge makes him stuffy but she did nothing to stall
the urge to assimilate which in the end is seen as
the villain of the piece.

Regards,

Michael Kelemen

Moderator VK: This is slightly off-topic but may be of interest to those
who heard Rita Horvath's presentation on Hungarian-Jewish Family Novels at
the IAJGS conference. Please continue the discussion off-list unless
there's something to say that's more relevant to the topic of
Hungarian-Jewish family research.


Re: Annie FISCHER (pianist): jewish? #hungary

Andrew Sanders <atsmord@...>
 

Yes,Annie Fischer was Jewish. She was a typical Budapest Jew, like almost
all famous Hungarian musicians.

Andrew Sanders
Toronto / Haifa


Re: Internet Help from Google for genealogical searches... #hungary

BruceKitty@...
 

This is most helpful. Thanks for being so generous with these instructions.
My uncle may too have been a member of the artist's club as he was a
professional sculptor and painter who had sculpted the busts of many prominent
persons in Hungary. A famous Ophthalmologist in the US brought with him the
bust
of himself, sculpted by my uncle.
Kitty Sauber


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Annie FISCHER (pianist): jewish? #hungary

Andrew Sanders <atsmord@...>
 

Yes,Annie Fischer was Jewish. She was a typical Budapest Jew, like almost
all famous Hungarian musicians.

Andrew Sanders
Toronto / Haifa


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Internet Help from Google for genealogical searches... #hungary

BruceKitty@...
 

This is most helpful. Thanks for being so generous with these instructions.
My uncle may too have been a member of the artist's club as he was a
professional sculptor and painter who had sculpted the busts of many prominent
persons in Hungary. A famous Ophthalmologist in the US brought with him the
bust
of himself, sculpted by my uncle.
Kitty Sauber


Re: Internet Help from Google for genealogical searches... #hungary

MarkoKupas@...
 

Thank you very much, it's really useful and interesting information! I will
try it in a few minutes..

By the wyay, do you know a Hungarian search engine? Sometimes, in country
specific search engines special entries can be found whose are not listed in big,
international databases and search engines. Sometimes this helps..

Regards
Marko

Moderator VK: Check out http://www.searchenginecolossus.com/Hungary.html, http://www.sharelook.hu/, http://www.net.hu/search/


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Internet Help from Google for genealogical searches... #hungary

MarkoKupas@...
 

Thank you very much, it's really useful and interesting information! I will
try it in a few minutes..

By the wyay, do you know a Hungarian search engine? Sometimes, in country
specific search engines special entries can be found whose are not listed in big,
international databases and search engines. Sometimes this helps..

Regards
Marko

Moderator VK: Check out http://www.searchenginecolossus.com/Hungary.html, http://www.sharelook.hu/, http://www.net.hu/search/


LANTOS #hungary

Sebastian Lantos <sebastian@...>
 

Dear friends
I am new to this experience and would like to know anything about the =
Lantos
family. My father Charles Peter, Fritz (uncle) and my granddad Emile =
moved
to Argentina, where I am from. I now live in the US.

Although not very common there are several Lantos' in larger cities =
around
the world. I would like to know how and if we are connected.

Regards
Sebastian Lantos
<snip>


Hungary SIG #Hungary LANTOS #hungary

Sebastian Lantos <sebastian@...>
 

Dear friends
I am new to this experience and would like to know anything about the =
Lantos
family. My father Charles Peter, Fritz (uncle) and my granddad Emile =
moved
to Argentina, where I am from. I now live in the US.

Although not very common there are several Lantos' in larger cities =
around
the world. I would like to know how and if we are connected.

Regards
Sebastian Lantos
<snip>


Re: Annie FISCHER (pianist): jewish? #hungary

Oblath András <oblath@...>
 

Yes, she was jewish.

András

-----Eredeti üzenet-----
Feladó: Daniel Teichman [mailto:daniel.teichman@...]
Elküldve: 2003. október 12. 22:18
Címzett: H-SIG
Tárgy: [h-sig] Annie FISCHER (pianist): jewish?


Does anybody know whether the famous hungarian pianist Annie FISCHER (born
July 5th 1914 in Budapest, died April 1995 in Budapest) was jewish?

Daniel Teichman
Zurich, Switzerland
daniel.teichman@...


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: Annie FISCHER (pianist): jewish? #hungary

Oblath András <oblath@...>
 

Yes, she was jewish.

András

-----Eredeti üzenet-----
Feladó: Daniel Teichman [mailto:daniel.teichman@...]
Elküldve: 2003. október 12. 22:18
Címzett: H-SIG
Tárgy: [h-sig] Annie FISCHER (pianist): jewish?


Does anybody know whether the famous hungarian pianist Annie FISCHER (born
July 5th 1914 in Budapest, died April 1995 in Budapest) was jewish?

Daniel Teichman
Zurich, Switzerland
daniel.teichman@...


BOF Slutsk, BOF Divin, BOF Kutno #belarus

drgoldin90@...
 

Hi

Please add me to the following BOF groups for the names that follow.

BOF Slutsk: Breakstone/Petzuran/Cohen, Bregman
BOF Divin: Goldin
BOF Kutno: Fisher

Thanks
Marge Goldin


Belarus SIG #Belarus BOF Slutsk, BOF Divin, BOF Kutno #belarus

drgoldin90@...
 

Hi

Please add me to the following BOF groups for the names that follow.

BOF Slutsk: Breakstone/Petzuran/Cohen, Bregman
BOF Divin: Goldin
BOF Kutno: Fisher

Thanks
Marge Goldin