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Re: Auschwitz Victims from Gyor #hungary

ron <ruebin7@...>
 

Hi All,
I have read through this email, and looked at the list of Victims.
Is there any one out there, that has any records or connections to the
STRASSER's on there?
My GGM was Bertha STRASSER born in Gyor 1843 died 17 Oct 1899 in Gyor.She
married a Lipot GOLD .
Any help on the STASSER family would be greatly appreciated.
Ron Bower (BAUER)
Melbourne
AUSTRALIA

----- Original Message -----
From: "mirda" <mirda@...>
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 8:40 AM
Subject: [h-sig] Re: Auschwitz Victims >from Gyor


Dear Kitty,
A good refernce source for the holocaust victims by communities
is the "Yizkor Book Database" of the JewishGen.
There one can find a memorial book book about the Jews of Papa edited by
Yehuda Gyula Lang, (written in Hungarian):
"A papai zsidosag emlekkonyve," Tel Aviv, 1974.
An English version or excert of the book can be found in the homepage:
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Papa/Papa.html

Shana tova from
Miryam Gordon
Rehovot, Israel

----- Original Message -----
From: <BruceKitty@...>
To: H-SIG <h-sig@...>
Sent: éåí øàùåï 21 ñôèîáø 2003 09:54
Subject: [h-sig] Re: Auschwitz Victims >from Gyor


: Myriam,
: Would you possibly be able to tell me if there exists an Auschwitz
Holocaust
: Victims
: List >from "Papa" similar to the one >from Gyor? Where, or to whom
should I
: write
: or e-mail inorder to obtain this information?
: Thank you for your reply.
: Sincerely,
: Kitty Friedbauer Sauber
: e-mail < brucekitty@... >


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Auschwitz Victims from Gyor #hungary

ron <ruebin7@...>
 

Hi All,
I have read through this email, and looked at the list of Victims.
Is there any one out there, that has any records or connections to the
STRASSER's on there?
My GGM was Bertha STRASSER born in Gyor 1843 died 17 Oct 1899 in Gyor.She
married a Lipot GOLD .
Any help on the STASSER family would be greatly appreciated.
Ron Bower (BAUER)
Melbourne
AUSTRALIA

----- Original Message -----
From: "mirda" <mirda@...>
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 8:40 AM
Subject: [h-sig] Re: Auschwitz Victims >from Gyor


Dear Kitty,
A good refernce source for the holocaust victims by communities
is the "Yizkor Book Database" of the JewishGen.
There one can find a memorial book book about the Jews of Papa edited by
Yehuda Gyula Lang, (written in Hungarian):
"A papai zsidosag emlekkonyve," Tel Aviv, 1974.
An English version or excert of the book can be found in the homepage:
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Papa/Papa.html

Shana tova from
Miryam Gordon
Rehovot, Israel

----- Original Message -----
From: <BruceKitty@...>
To: H-SIG <h-sig@...>
Sent: éåí øàùåï 21 ñôèîáø 2003 09:54
Subject: [h-sig] Re: Auschwitz Victims >from Gyor


: Myriam,
: Would you possibly be able to tell me if there exists an Auschwitz
Holocaust
: Victims
: List >from "Papa" similar to the one >from Gyor? Where, or to whom
should I
: write
: or e-mail inorder to obtain this information?
: Thank you for your reply.
: Sincerely,
: Kitty Friedbauer Sauber
: e-mail < brucekitty@... >


Re: From Stropkov to Jerusalem #hungary

alex p miller <alex-miller@...>
 

Melody,

I believe the second best to knowing the facts is to follow similar
travels of your ancestors contemporaries, who were famous enough to have
books writen about. For example Menachem Begin travelled >from Galicia to
Jaffa in the early thirties and Ben Gurion and his family travelled many
a times >from Poland . The most likely way was to a sea port in Craotia or
Romania

On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:53:44 -0700 (PDT) Melody <nomietai@...>
writes:
Their journey has pre-occupied me for the last ten years.
What route did they take?
Where did they live?
Where did they study?
Can anyone, Alex, Avrvham?--offer anything?
Melody Amsel-Arieli
Maaleh Adumim, Israel
<snip>
Best Regards,

Alex Miller, Reading, PA


Re: Old Jewish Cemetery in Nagykanizsa #hungary

Levai Orsolya <levaio@...>
 

Hi Omri,
it is true, here was an old Jewish Cemetery, but it had to be closed , when
the railways were built.So there is nothing found at the original place of
that cmetery. As far as I know the thombsotens were moved to the `new`
Jeiwsh Cemetery. But I cannot tell you wheter all these thombstones could
have been saved.
They were all written in Hebrew, and you can found them in a certain part of
the new Cemtery.

Orsolya Levai
Nagykanizsa


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: From Stropkov to Jerusalem #hungary

alex p miller <alex-miller@...>
 

Melody,

I believe the second best to knowing the facts is to follow similar
travels of your ancestors contemporaries, who were famous enough to have
books writen about. For example Menachem Begin travelled >from Galicia to
Jaffa in the early thirties and Ben Gurion and his family travelled many
a times >from Poland . The most likely way was to a sea port in Craotia or
Romania

On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:53:44 -0700 (PDT) Melody <nomietai@...>
writes:
Their journey has pre-occupied me for the last ten years.
What route did they take?
Where did they live?
Where did they study?
Can anyone, Alex, Avrvham?--offer anything?
Melody Amsel-Arieli
Maaleh Adumim, Israel
<snip>
Best Regards,

Alex Miller, Reading, PA


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re:Old Jewish Cemetery in Nagykanizsa #hungary

Levai Orsolya <levaio@...>
 

Hi Omri,
it is true, here was an old Jewish Cemetery, but it had to be closed , when
the railways were built.So there is nothing found at the original place of
that cmetery. As far as I know the thombsotens were moved to the `new`
Jeiwsh Cemetery. But I cannot tell you wheter all these thombstones could
have been saved.
They were all written in Hebrew, and you can found them in a certain part of
the new Cemtery.

Orsolya Levai
Nagykanizsa


Internet Help from Google for genealogical searches... #hungary

Eloedfamily@...
 

Dear fellow researchers,

I just discovered useful search capabilities of the GOOGLE.Com search engine,
very useful in finding genealogical information and help >from sources we
would never even think of.

While general search is done by the search engines in the URL, Title,
keywords and/or the approx. first 25 words of the text of a document, this kind of
research will miss a tremendous amount of information out there.

By instructing the Google Search Engine to search the entire text of their
database, many hidden items will come to the fore. Without having to define for
searching known newspapers for articles or any specific sources referring to
an ancestor, this type of search will look at everything, no matter where.

It has helped me find one of my ancestors. All I new about him was, that he
was a founder and president of the Hungarian Feszek (artist's) Club over a
hundred years ago. What I found after many other previous attempts to search for
the history of the Feszek, using this capability of Google was an article
written in Hungary about 4 or 5 years ago in anticipation of the Hundred year
anniversary of the Club.

Here is what and how I input into the Google search line:
intext:Bruchsteiner

This returned many materials that had the name Bruchsteiner in the text,
among them said article.

The procedure is very simple and very powerful.

Here is a short description and reference for more on the subject:

Syntax Search Tricks
Using a special syntax is a way to tell Google that you want to restrict your
searches to certain elements or characteristics of Web pages. Google has a
fairly complete list of its syntax elements at
http://www.google.com/help/operators.html< <<
Here are some advanced operators that can help narrow down your search
results.

Intitle: at the beginning of a query word or phrase (intitle:"Three Blind
Mice") restricts your search results to just the titles of Web pages. Remember,
no spaces after the :

Intext: does the opposite of intitle:, searching only the body text, ignoring
titles, links, and so forth.

Intext: is perfect when what you're searching for might commonly appear in
URLs.
If you're looking for the term HTML, for example, and you don't want to get
results such as >>>www.mysite.com/index.html<<<, you can enter intext:html.

Link: lets you see which pages are linking to your Web page or to another
page you're interested in.
For example, try typing in link:http://www.pcmag.com.

Site: (which restricts results to top-level domains) with intitle: to find
certain types of pages.
For example, get scholarly pages about Mark Twain by searching for
intitle:"Mark Twain"site:edu

Experiment with mixing various elements; you'll develop several strategies
for finding the stuff you want more effectively.

The site: command is very helpful as an alternative to the mediocre search
engines built into many sites.


I hope, you will find this information helpful in your search. Interestingly,
on the same last name I found at the e-Bay auction 32 original documents. You
can never tell.

Have a nice search,

Leslie Eloed / Elod Laszlo
California

Moderator VK: This is a one-time post regarding research techniques. Please continue this thread off-list or using the JewishGen mail list.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Internet Help from Google for genealogical searches... #hungary

Eloedfamily@...
 

Dear fellow researchers,

I just discovered useful search capabilities of the GOOGLE.Com search engine,
very useful in finding genealogical information and help >from sources we
would never even think of.

While general search is done by the search engines in the URL, Title,
keywords and/or the approx. first 25 words of the text of a document, this kind of
research will miss a tremendous amount of information out there.

By instructing the Google Search Engine to search the entire text of their
database, many hidden items will come to the fore. Without having to define for
searching known newspapers for articles or any specific sources referring to
an ancestor, this type of search will look at everything, no matter where.

It has helped me find one of my ancestors. All I new about him was, that he
was a founder and president of the Hungarian Feszek (artist's) Club over a
hundred years ago. What I found after many other previous attempts to search for
the history of the Feszek, using this capability of Google was an article
written in Hungary about 4 or 5 years ago in anticipation of the Hundred year
anniversary of the Club.

Here is what and how I input into the Google search line:
intext:Bruchsteiner

This returned many materials that had the name Bruchsteiner in the text,
among them said article.

The procedure is very simple and very powerful.

Here is a short description and reference for more on the subject:

Syntax Search Tricks
Using a special syntax is a way to tell Google that you want to restrict your
searches to certain elements or characteristics of Web pages. Google has a
fairly complete list of its syntax elements at
http://www.google.com/help/operators.html< <<
Here are some advanced operators that can help narrow down your search
results.

Intitle: at the beginning of a query word or phrase (intitle:"Three Blind
Mice") restricts your search results to just the titles of Web pages. Remember,
no spaces after the :

Intext: does the opposite of intitle:, searching only the body text, ignoring
titles, links, and so forth.

Intext: is perfect when what you're searching for might commonly appear in
URLs.
If you're looking for the term HTML, for example, and you don't want to get
results such as >>>www.mysite.com/index.html<<<, you can enter intext:html.

Link: lets you see which pages are linking to your Web page or to another
page you're interested in.
For example, try typing in link:http://www.pcmag.com.

Site: (which restricts results to top-level domains) with intitle: to find
certain types of pages.
For example, get scholarly pages about Mark Twain by searching for
intitle:"Mark Twain"site:edu

Experiment with mixing various elements; you'll develop several strategies
for finding the stuff you want more effectively.

The site: command is very helpful as an alternative to the mediocre search
engines built into many sites.


I hope, you will find this information helpful in your search. Interestingly,
on the same last name I found at the e-Bay auction 32 original documents. You
can never tell.

Have a nice search,

Leslie Eloed / Elod Laszlo
California

Moderator VK: This is a one-time post regarding research techniques. Please continue this thread off-list or using the JewishGen mail list.


CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

This message is being posted on behalf of the Program Committee for the
24th IAJGS International Conference.
---------------------------------------------

The Israel Genealogical Society is pleased to invite proposals from
potential speakers for the 24th IAJGS International Conference on
Jewish
Genealogy to be held on July 4-9, 2004, in Jerusalem, Israel.

English will be the official language of the conference. A number of
lectures will be presented in Hebrew with simultaneous translation
into English.

Authors wishing to present a paper at the Conference are invited to
visit the Conference website at www.ortra.com/jgen2004 and click on
"Call for Presentations" on the left of the page for more information.

Thank you in advance for your interest and proposal.

DON'T BE LEFT OUT OF THE LOOP

During the coming months only a few short messages about the 24th IAJGS
International Conference will be posted to the JewishGen Discussion
group and the SIGs. In order to stay informed, to ask questions and
join the discussions, please sign up for the Jerusalem2004 discussion
group. As the time for the Conference draws nearer, this will be the
place to be! To subscribe go to
http://www.jewishgen.org/listserv/sigs_add.htm fill in your name, check
Jerusalem 2004, and submit. See you there!

The Program Committee

CONFERENCE SECRETARIAT
Ortra Ltd.
1 Nirim Street, P. O. Box 9352,
Tel Aviv 61092, Israel
Tel + 972-3-638-4444
Fax +972-3-638-4455
E-mail jgen2004@...


Hungary SIG #Hungary CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

This message is being posted on behalf of the Program Committee for the
24th IAJGS International Conference.
---------------------------------------------

The Israel Genealogical Society is pleased to invite proposals from
potential speakers for the 24th IAJGS International Conference on
Jewish
Genealogy to be held on July 4-9, 2004, in Jerusalem, Israel.

English will be the official language of the conference. A number of
lectures will be presented in Hebrew with simultaneous translation
into English.

Authors wishing to present a paper at the Conference are invited to
visit the Conference website at www.ortra.com/jgen2004 and click on
"Call for Presentations" on the left of the page for more information.

Thank you in advance for your interest and proposal.

DON'T BE LEFT OUT OF THE LOOP

During the coming months only a few short messages about the 24th IAJGS
International Conference will be posted to the JewishGen Discussion
group and the SIGs. In order to stay informed, to ask questions and
join the discussions, please sign up for the Jerusalem2004 discussion
group. As the time for the Conference draws nearer, this will be the
place to be! To subscribe go to
http://www.jewishgen.org/listserv/sigs_add.htm fill in your name, check
Jerusalem 2004, and submit. See you there!

The Program Committee

CONFERENCE SECRETARIAT
Ortra Ltd.
1 Nirim Street, P. O. Box 9352,
Tel Aviv 61092, Israel
Tel + 972-3-638-4444
Fax +972-3-638-4455
E-mail jgen2004@...


Budapest safe houses #hungary

Michele Sankar <sankosy@...>
 

Hello -

As more of my grandmother's story unfolds, the more questions come up!

Does anyone know if there is a list or database of safe houses in
Budapest during the Holocaust? My grandmother's family (GLOCKNER)
converted >from Judaism to Catholicism when she was about 5 years old in
1918 or 1919. Somehow (thank G-d), they survived the war without being
found out (bribes?), although my 90-year-old grandmother will not
discuss this and I have know idea what happened.

A couple of addresses where my newly married grandmother and her parents
resided were Iranyi utca and Saru utca, although I'm not sure which one
was during the war years. There may be another address as well, which
I'll have to confirm. If anyone knows whether these streets were in
"safe zones", or if there is a list I can cross-check, I would be most
grateful.

Sincerely,

Michele Sankar

Searching:

GLOCKNER/GABOR - Budapest
GLOCKNER, BECK - Somogy megye
WEINBERGER - Baja (Bacs-Bodrog)
FREUND - Paks (Tolna)
WINTER - Sena/Abauj-Szina (Kosice) & Salgotarjan
HOLLANDER, WIZNER/WISNER, SPITZ - Sena/Abauj-Szina (Kosice)
SEIDNER - Salgotarjan, Budapest


Re: Holocaust Educattion Week in Toronto #hungary

BruceKitty@...
 

Will these presentations be made available in the form of audio-recordings or
printed,
for purchase by those of us who are not able to travel to Toronto ?
Thanks,
Kitty Sauber


Hungary SIG #Hungary Budapest safe houses #hungary

Michele Sankar <sankosy@...>
 

Hello -

As more of my grandmother's story unfolds, the more questions come up!

Does anyone know if there is a list or database of safe houses in
Budapest during the Holocaust? My grandmother's family (GLOCKNER)
converted >from Judaism to Catholicism when she was about 5 years old in
1918 or 1919. Somehow (thank G-d), they survived the war without being
found out (bribes?), although my 90-year-old grandmother will not
discuss this and I have know idea what happened.

A couple of addresses where my newly married grandmother and her parents
resided were Iranyi utca and Saru utca, although I'm not sure which one
was during the war years. There may be another address as well, which
I'll have to confirm. If anyone knows whether these streets were in
"safe zones", or if there is a list I can cross-check, I would be most
grateful.

Sincerely,

Michele Sankar

Searching:

GLOCKNER/GABOR - Budapest
GLOCKNER, BECK - Somogy megye
WEINBERGER - Baja (Bacs-Bodrog)
FREUND - Paks (Tolna)
WINTER - Sena/Abauj-Szina (Kosice) & Salgotarjan
HOLLANDER, WIZNER/WISNER, SPITZ - Sena/Abauj-Szina (Kosice)
SEIDNER - Salgotarjan, Budapest


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Holocaust Educattion Week in Toronto #hungary

BruceKitty@...
 

Will these presentations be made available in the form of audio-recordings or
printed,
for purchase by those of us who are not able to travel to Toronto ?
Thanks,
Kitty Sauber


Annie FISCHER (pianist): jewish? #hungary

Daniel Teichman <daniel.teichman@...>
 

Does anybody know whether the famous hungarian pianist Annie FISCHER (born
July 5th 1914 in Budapest, died April 1995 in Budapest) was jewish?

Daniel Teichman
Zurich, Switzerland
daniel.teichman@...


Hungary SIG #Hungary Annie FISCHER (pianist): jewish? #hungary

Daniel Teichman <daniel.teichman@...>
 

Does anybody know whether the famous hungarian pianist Annie FISCHER (born
July 5th 1914 in Budapest, died April 1995 in Budapest) was jewish?

Daniel Teichman
Zurich, Switzerland
daniel.teichman@...


"Sunshine" #hungary

B Frederics <picturethisfilm@...>
 

I'm responding to Michael Kelemen's message regarding the movie "Sunshine".
I won't answer his questions regarding the film here. However, it is a movie
that every Hungarian Jew searching their family roots should see. The story
covers the late 19th century through the Hungarian uprising against the
communists. It is actually about three generations of a Jewish family in
Budapest and because of anti-Semitism, are forced to choose between their
faith and professional success. The relationships between family members are
not incestuous (as Michael questions), but evolve >from a longing to be
accepted for the person they are, something nearly impossible in 19th
century Austria-Hungary.

My Hungarian family was very much like the SONNENSCHEINE aka SUNSHINE
family, with each successive generation removing themselves further from
their Jewish roots. Some changed their name or the spelling to be less
Magyar and more German for business reasons, while living in Budapest. As I
watched the film, I felt a kinship to the characters and had a better
understanding of my forebearers.

Bonnie Frederics
Tucson, AZ
picturethisfilm@...

Seeking:
ZEISLER, UNGER, ECSEDI, LOWY, HERTZFELD
(Budapest, Gyongyos, DiosGyor, Kazinc, Ga'cs)

Subject: Sunshine
From: "Michael Kelemen" <m.kel@...>
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:52:17 -0400
X-Message-Number: 8

This is off-topic so it's best if
any responses are directed to me
personally at m.kel@...

Last night the Canadian Broadcasting
Corporation showed "Sunshine".

Interviews with Robert Lantos who spoke
about his own life and Ralph Fiennes
who spoke at length about the director,
Istvan Szabo, can be found at the CBC
website (below).

http://www.cbc.ca/television/behindthescenes.html

But, I didn't fully understand the film.

First the son, Ignatz, marries his sister/cousin.
Then she has an affair with his brother.
Then Ignaztz son, Adam, has an affair with his brother's wife.
Then Ignatz' grandson, Ivan, chooses an inaccessible, married
woman as a lover and has his closest personal relationship
with his grandmother. (We see them chatting on the bed).

The director said that the film is about Jews
trying to fit into Hungarian society. In the end,
however, Ivan reverts to the family's original, Jewish
name, Sonnenscheine, and is happy for the very first time.
(His grandmother also calls identifies Sonnenscheine
just before she dies).

Does the inability to break out of the family romantically
betray the fact that these Hungarian Jews unable to really
break away >from their background?

And, at the end, Adam says that his grandmother had
been the only family member to have ever been free.
I didn't see that. She left her husband when his
commitment to being dispassionate Austro-Hungarian
judge makes him stuffy but she did nothing to stall
the urge to assimilate which in the end is seen as
the villain of the piece.

Regards,

Michael Kelemen

Moderator VK: This is slightly off-topic but may be of interest to those
who heard Rita Horvath's presentation on Hungarian-Jewish Family Novels at
the IAJGS conference. Please continue the discussion off-list unless
there's something to say that's more relevant to the topic of
Hungarian-Jewish family research.


Hungary SIG #Hungary "Sunshine" #hungary

B Frederics <picturethisfilm@...>
 

I'm responding to Michael Kelemen's message regarding the movie "Sunshine".
I won't answer his questions regarding the film here. However, it is a movie
that every Hungarian Jew searching their family roots should see. The story
covers the late 19th century through the Hungarian uprising against the
communists. It is actually about three generations of a Jewish family in
Budapest and because of anti-Semitism, are forced to choose between their
faith and professional success. The relationships between family members are
not incestuous (as Michael questions), but evolve >from a longing to be
accepted for the person they are, something nearly impossible in 19th
century Austria-Hungary.

My Hungarian family was very much like the SONNENSCHEINE aka SUNSHINE
family, with each successive generation removing themselves further from
their Jewish roots. Some changed their name or the spelling to be less
Magyar and more German for business reasons, while living in Budapest. As I
watched the film, I felt a kinship to the characters and had a better
understanding of my forebearers.

Bonnie Frederics
Tucson, AZ
picturethisfilm@...

Seeking:
ZEISLER, UNGER, ECSEDI, LOWY, HERTZFELD
(Budapest, Gyongyos, DiosGyor, Kazinc, Ga'cs)

Subject: Sunshine
From: "Michael Kelemen" <m.kel@...>
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 10:52:17 -0400
X-Message-Number: 8

This is off-topic so it's best if
any responses are directed to me
personally at m.kel@...

Last night the Canadian Broadcasting
Corporation showed "Sunshine".

Interviews with Robert Lantos who spoke
about his own life and Ralph Fiennes
who spoke at length about the director,
Istvan Szabo, can be found at the CBC
website (below).

http://www.cbc.ca/television/behindthescenes.html

But, I didn't fully understand the film.

First the son, Ignatz, marries his sister/cousin.
Then she has an affair with his brother.
Then Ignaztz son, Adam, has an affair with his brother's wife.
Then Ignatz' grandson, Ivan, chooses an inaccessible, married
woman as a lover and has his closest personal relationship
with his grandmother. (We see them chatting on the bed).

The director said that the film is about Jews
trying to fit into Hungarian society. In the end,
however, Ivan reverts to the family's original, Jewish
name, Sonnenscheine, and is happy for the very first time.
(His grandmother also calls identifies Sonnenscheine
just before she dies).

Does the inability to break out of the family romantically
betray the fact that these Hungarian Jews unable to really
break away >from their background?

And, at the end, Adam says that his grandmother had
been the only family member to have ever been free.
I didn't see that. She left her husband when his
commitment to being dispassionate Austro-Hungarian
judge makes him stuffy but she did nothing to stall
the urge to assimilate which in the end is seen as
the villain of the piece.

Regards,

Michael Kelemen

Moderator VK: This is slightly off-topic but may be of interest to those
who heard Rita Horvath's presentation on Hungarian-Jewish Family Novels at
the IAJGS conference. Please continue the discussion off-list unless
there's something to say that's more relevant to the topic of
Hungarian-Jewish family research.


Re: Annie FISCHER (pianist): jewish? #hungary

Andrew Sanders <atsmord@...>
 

Yes,Annie Fischer was Jewish. She was a typical Budapest Jew, like almost
all famous Hungarian musicians.

Andrew Sanders
Toronto / Haifa


Re: Internet Help from Google for genealogical searches... #hungary

BruceKitty@...
 

This is most helpful. Thanks for being so generous with these instructions.
My uncle may too have been a member of the artist's club as he was a
professional sculptor and painter who had sculpted the busts of many prominent
persons in Hungary. A famous Ophthalmologist in the US brought with him the
bust
of himself, sculpted by my uncle.
Kitty Sauber