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HAMMER and STREISAND from Narayev - old family photos #galicia

Paul Gordon <flash@...>
 

I've posted a number of old family photos on my web site, and I'm asking for
help in identifying some of the people in them.

One set of photos is of family members related to my great-grandparents, Sam
HAMMER and Perel STREISAND, who were born in Narayev in the early 1880s.
They were married in New York around 1902.

Sam was the son of David HAMMER and Pesia GOLDWURM. Perel was the daughter
of Osias STREISAND and Brajna SELINGER.

Related families >from Narayev were named STAHL, SCHWAGER, HELFER, and
SCHULMAN.

Please take a look at these photos at www.zzapp.org/flash/family/galicia.
If you recognize anyone, please contact me.

And to see photos >from other branches of my family, go to
www.zzapp.org/flash/family.

Thanks.

Paul Gordon
Silver Spring, MD
USA
JGFF researcher # 5319

Researching (all in Narayev):
GOLDWURM
HAMMER
SELINGER
STREISAND


Kozienice Holocaust list--volunteers needed #galicia

Joyce Field
 

Volunteers are needed to computerize two important lists >from
Kozienice which we acquired >from the United States Holocaust Memorial
Museum. The computerized lists will be part of the Holocaust
Database and also be searchable >from the All Poland Database.

There are two lists which need inputting into Excel spreadsheets >from
jpegs, which are quite legible.
One list is a relatively legible handwritten census of the Jews in
the ghetto, about 4200+ records. A second part includes birth and
other data, mostly typewritten. We would really like a native Polish
speaker especially for the proofreading.

Volunteers should have a recent copy of Excel on their computers, be
able to input >from jpeg images, and be familiar with European
handwriting. If you would like to be part of a team working on this
and other Holocaust files, please contact Nolan Altman, Holocaust
Database coordinator, at naltman@jewishgen.org.

Joyce Field
JewishGen VP, Data Acquisition


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia HAMMER and STREISAND from Narayev - old family photos #galicia

Paul Gordon <flash@...>
 

I've posted a number of old family photos on my web site, and I'm asking for
help in identifying some of the people in them.

One set of photos is of family members related to my great-grandparents, Sam
HAMMER and Perel STREISAND, who were born in Narayev in the early 1880s.
They were married in New York around 1902.

Sam was the son of David HAMMER and Pesia GOLDWURM. Perel was the daughter
of Osias STREISAND and Brajna SELINGER.

Related families >from Narayev were named STAHL, SCHWAGER, HELFER, and
SCHULMAN.

Please take a look at these photos at www.zzapp.org/flash/family/galicia.
If you recognize anyone, please contact me.

And to see photos >from other branches of my family, go to
www.zzapp.org/flash/family.

Thanks.

Paul Gordon
Silver Spring, MD
USA
JGFF researcher # 5319

Researching (all in Narayev):
GOLDWURM
HAMMER
SELINGER
STREISAND


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Kozienice Holocaust list--volunteers needed #galicia

Joyce Field
 

Volunteers are needed to computerize two important lists >from
Kozienice which we acquired >from the United States Holocaust Memorial
Museum. The computerized lists will be part of the Holocaust
Database and also be searchable >from the All Poland Database.

There are two lists which need inputting into Excel spreadsheets >from
jpegs, which are quite legible.
One list is a relatively legible handwritten census of the Jews in
the ghetto, about 4200+ records. A second part includes birth and
other data, mostly typewritten. We would really like a native Polish
speaker especially for the proofreading.

Volunteers should have a recent copy of Excel on their computers, be
able to input >from jpeg images, and be familiar with European
handwriting. If you would like to be part of a team working on this
and other Holocaust files, please contact Nolan Altman, Holocaust
Database coordinator, at naltman@jewishgen.org.

Joyce Field
JewishGen VP, Data Acquisition


SCHIFFMANN and SCHUNAEZBACH(?) from Kanczuga #galicia

Eva Floersheim
 

Grazyna Lewicki would like your help in knowing about her Jewish
relatives and her family >from Kanczuga. Her mother was Chaja LEWICKA nee
SCHIFFMANN, born in 1920 in Kanczuga. Her maternal grandparents were
Shulim SCHIFFMANN and Rifka Rachela SCHIFFMANN nee SCHUNAEZBACH(?) from
Kanczuga.
You can read a little more on the Missing Identity website
http://www.jewishgen.org/missing-identity/p-grazyna.html

Thanks in advance for any help.

Sincerely,
Eva Floersheim
Shadmot Dvorah
Israel

The Missing Identity website
http://www.jewishgen.org/missing-identity
Remembering the Jews of Lubaczow
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/lubaczow


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia SCHIFFMANN and SCHUNAEZBACH(?) from Kanczuga #galicia

Eva Floersheim
 

Grazyna Lewicki would like your help in knowing about her Jewish
relatives and her family >from Kanczuga. Her mother was Chaja LEWICKA nee
SCHIFFMANN, born in 1920 in Kanczuga. Her maternal grandparents were
Shulim SCHIFFMANN and Rifka Rachela SCHIFFMANN nee SCHUNAEZBACH(?) from
Kanczuga.
You can read a little more on the Missing Identity website
http://www.jewishgen.org/missing-identity/p-grazyna.html

Thanks in advance for any help.

Sincerely,
Eva Floersheim
Shadmot Dvorah
Israel

The Missing Identity website
http://www.jewishgen.org/missing-identity
Remembering the Jews of Lubaczow
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/lubaczow


Re: Sonnenschein's in Budapest in 1870's #hungary

BruceKitty@...
 

Is by any coincidence this Sonnenschein family related to the film of 3 or 4
yrs ago, about the Hungarian Sonnenschein family? (Sunshine)
Kitty Sauber


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Sonnenschein's in Budapest in 1870's #hungary

BruceKitty@...
 

Is by any coincidence this Sonnenschein family related to the film of 3 or 4
yrs ago, about the Hungarian Sonnenschein family? (Sunshine)
Kitty Sauber


Re: Name Betreas = Erzebet #hungary

BruceKitty@...
 

Elizabeth can be derivation of ERZABET, also the last syllable can provide
Betreas (which in English is spelled as Beatrice).. it is difficult to
determine what triggers many
name changes. One of the plausible possibilities is an attempt at
americanizing, another
could have occurred at time of arrival processing where the clerk was stumped
with
"Erzebet or ERZABET: due to possible language differences and communication
between
the Port of entry Clerk who spoke only English, and Erzabet who spoke only
Hungarian..
He may have dubbed her Betreas. Another possibility, could Betreas have
been her
middle name which she preferred to use. Someone may have said to her, "you
look more like a Betreas" and so liked this name...Could Betreas be a
different person >from Erzabet?
It is interesting to ponder what life forces impact on individuals that
decades later
confound descendants. Logic is often difficult to fathom in information that
is gotten in fragments and word of mouth.
Possibly, in your searches of documents you may one day come across
notations or
papers that will explain.
Good luck in your search,
Kitty Sauber


Re: Join the Discussion!< #hungary

BruceKitty@...
 

To Maureen Tighe-Brown,
I have missed reading your helpful and informative contributions. I wish
you would not permit a few poorly informed "nay sayers" to deprive the rest of us of
your knowldege and insights.
Kitty Sauber NY


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Name Betreas = Erzebet #hungary

BruceKitty@...
 

Elizabeth can be derivation of ERZABET, also the last syllable can provide
Betreas (which in English is spelled as Beatrice).. it is difficult to
determine what triggers many
name changes. One of the plausible possibilities is an attempt at
americanizing, another
could have occurred at time of arrival processing where the clerk was stumped
with
"Erzebet or ERZABET: due to possible language differences and communication
between
the Port of entry Clerk who spoke only English, and Erzabet who spoke only
Hungarian..
He may have dubbed her Betreas. Another possibility, could Betreas have
been her
middle name which she preferred to use. Someone may have said to her, "you
look more like a Betreas" and so liked this name...Could Betreas be a
different person >from Erzabet?
It is interesting to ponder what life forces impact on individuals that
decades later
confound descendants. Logic is often difficult to fathom in information that
is gotten in fragments and word of mouth.
Possibly, in your searches of documents you may one day come across
notations or
papers that will explain.
Good luck in your search,
Kitty Sauber


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Re:Join the Discussion!< #hungary

BruceKitty@...
 

To Maureen Tighe-Brown,
I have missed reading your helpful and informative contributions. I wish
you would not permit a few poorly informed "nay sayers" to deprive the rest of us of
your knowldege and insights.
Kitty Sauber NY


Re: labour batallion camps #hungary

Patricia J Weisshaus <patjw28@...>
 

Andrew:

The note I have in my records is the following:

Sandor's death is recorded as 17 September 1942 and comes >from the book,
NAMES OF JEWISH VICTIMS OF HUNGARIAN LABOR BATTALIONS, LETTERS K-Z, Vol. 2,
Page 709:

"Weiszhaus, Sandor Berger, Irma (mother's maiden name) 00/05/12 Budapest
(birth date) Beteg (disposition - sick)

42/09/17 (date of record) 44119 (ID number)".

The date is correct, according to the records found at the District VII
Municipal Archives in Budapest..

That's the only information we have, except that a Hungarian soldier came
to their apartment to tell my husand's mother the news and to give her a
ring which her husband always wore. I don't have the date on which this
occurred, but my husand remembers the visit by the soldier.

A cousin that he had not talked to for 55 years who was found in Australia,
related this story to him a few days ago. I don't know where she heard it,
and that's the reason for my question to the list.

Pat
:

About Pat's message, I have not heard that story, but my father also died of
typhoid fever in the Ukraine. It was not at Kharkov, where he was sent
earlier, but after the Voronezh debacle he walked back to Kiev and got
himself into an army hospital, that's where he died. Are you sure, though,
that the event you describe happened in 1942? For the situation was falling
apart for the Hungarian army a year later, the typhoid epidemic reached its
apex in 1943, that's when my father died, in April.

Andrew Sanders
Toronto / Haifa


Tombstone photos question #hungary

Carol Karp
 

I will be sending throw-away cameras to Hungary to photograph tombstones. I want to know which would be better...black and white film or color film?
Thanks. Carol Karp


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re:labour batallion camps #hungary

Patricia J Weisshaus <patjw28@...>
 

Andrew:

The note I have in my records is the following:

Sandor's death is recorded as 17 September 1942 and comes >from the book,
NAMES OF JEWISH VICTIMS OF HUNGARIAN LABOR BATTALIONS, LETTERS K-Z, Vol. 2,
Page 709:

"Weiszhaus, Sandor Berger, Irma (mother's maiden name) 00/05/12 Budapest
(birth date) Beteg (disposition - sick)

42/09/17 (date of record) 44119 (ID number)".

The date is correct, according to the records found at the District VII
Municipal Archives in Budapest..

That's the only information we have, except that a Hungarian soldier came
to their apartment to tell my husand's mother the news and to give her a
ring which her husband always wore. I don't have the date on which this
occurred, but my husand remembers the visit by the soldier.

A cousin that he had not talked to for 55 years who was found in Australia,
related this story to him a few days ago. I don't know where she heard it,
and that's the reason for my question to the list.

Pat
:

About Pat's message, I have not heard that story, but my father also died of
typhoid fever in the Ukraine. It was not at Kharkov, where he was sent
earlier, but after the Voronezh debacle he walked back to Kiev and got
himself into an army hospital, that's where he died. Are you sure, though,
that the event you describe happened in 1942? For the situation was falling
apart for the Hungarian army a year later, the typhoid epidemic reached its
apex in 1943, that's when my father died, in April.

Andrew Sanders
Toronto / Haifa


Hungary SIG #Hungary Tombstone photos question #hungary

Carol Karp
 

I will be sending throw-away cameras to Hungary to photograph tombstones. I want to know which would be better...black and white film or color film?
Thanks. Carol Karp


May 2004 Visit to Bihor County Romania-Part I #hungary

FbandJd@...
 

Dear Fellow Researchers,

Thank you to all of the JewishGen members who helped make our first visit to Hungary and Romania a success.

After three weeks of touring Hungary my husband and I took the Intercity Train >from the Keleti Train Station leaving Budapest and arriving in Debrecen. It is an express train, took only 2 hours and 40 minutes and we were able to have reserved seats. I would suggest buying the tickets at the train station and not in the states because it's 3x cheaper in Hungary.

At the Debrecen train station we were met by our Romanian guide and driver who then drove across the border to Bihor County, Romania [formerly Bihar, Hungary].There is a one hour time change >from Hungary to Romania--one hour greater in Romania. This should be taken into consideration if someone >from Romania is meeting you in Hungary [ or the other way around].

After several years of research it was determined that the entire maternal side of my family lived in Bihar County >from about 1810 to 1910. Before that they lived in NagyKaroly/Carei and Tasnad. Our planned project was to visit the villages and cemeteries where my grandparents and great-grandparents were born.

Part II I will discuss the cemeteries in Ermihalyfalva/Valea lui Mihai, Kobolkut/Cubulcut, Szalard/Salard,Bihar/Biharia and the orthodox cemeteries in Nagyvarad/Oradea. We have complete digital pictures of all of the stones in the small Jewish cemeteries of Cubulcut, Salard and Biharia and I have lists of names that were not written in Hebrew.If anyone is interested I will be happy to answer any questions you might have.

Best Regards,
Fran Meng
Walnut Creek, CA

Researching: GOTTLIEB,GLUCK,BREUER,GRUNSTEIN, NEUFELD, LINDENFELD,KRAUS,DEUTS,TISCHLER >from Bihar/Bihor County.


Hungary SIG #Hungary May 2004 Visit to Bihor County Romania-Part I #hungary

FbandJd@...
 

Dear Fellow Researchers,

Thank you to all of the JewishGen members who helped make our first visit to Hungary and Romania a success.

After three weeks of touring Hungary my husband and I took the Intercity Train >from the Keleti Train Station leaving Budapest and arriving in Debrecen. It is an express train, took only 2 hours and 40 minutes and we were able to have reserved seats. I would suggest buying the tickets at the train station and not in the states because it's 3x cheaper in Hungary.

At the Debrecen train station we were met by our Romanian guide and driver who then drove across the border to Bihor County, Romania [formerly Bihar, Hungary].There is a one hour time change >from Hungary to Romania--one hour greater in Romania. This should be taken into consideration if someone >from Romania is meeting you in Hungary [ or the other way around].

After several years of research it was determined that the entire maternal side of my family lived in Bihar County >from about 1810 to 1910. Before that they lived in NagyKaroly/Carei and Tasnad. Our planned project was to visit the villages and cemeteries where my grandparents and great-grandparents were born.

Part II I will discuss the cemeteries in Ermihalyfalva/Valea lui Mihai, Kobolkut/Cubulcut, Szalard/Salard,Bihar/Biharia and the orthodox cemeteries in Nagyvarad/Oradea. We have complete digital pictures of all of the stones in the small Jewish cemeteries of Cubulcut, Salard and Biharia and I have lists of names that were not written in Hebrew.If anyone is interested I will be happy to answer any questions you might have.

Best Regards,
Fran Meng
Walnut Creek, CA

Researching: GOTTLIEB,GLUCK,BREUER,GRUNSTEIN, NEUFELD, LINDENFELD,KRAUS,DEUTS,TISCHLER >from Bihar/Bihor County.


Labor-camp: Erdovaros Teglagyar / Brickfactory at Erdovaros, Hungary #hungary

Eloedfamily@...
 

Dear Friends,

at the risk of repeating something I posted maybe a couple of years ago, I
will repeat an inquiry;

My father, before taken to the Mauthausen death camp (passed avay just 5 days
before the liberation) served as a forced laborer at the Erdo"va'ros (I seem
to recall 102 Bat.) camp, not far >from Budapest. They were a rail-railway
construction unit. My father as an engineer most likely working as a foreman.
This is the same unit, our well known Hungarian poet-writer Erno" Sze'p served
at. My father La'szlo' Elo"d was called up as of April 1, 1944. His last
written communication came >from this camp dated in late November / early December
1944.

Erno" Sze'p describes parts of life there in his book (translated >from
Hungarian into German and English; original Hungarian title: "Emberszag". The book
reflects a lot of his own psyche and emotional damages caused by the captivity.
Due to his at the time already advanced age, he was freed after approx. 3 or
4 month in this captivity. He eventually died in the 1950-s in Budapest. My
father mentions his meeting Erno' Sze'p at the camp.

I am trying to find anyone who was part of that unit, and recalls any of the
details of life there. My father at the time was 42 years old, so still alive
survivors would probably be around the age of 80 today, or have children in
the 60 age group who may reacall some of the writings or anectodes >from their
fathers.

You may respond to this by writing to me at:

eloedfamily@ aol.com or at
leloed@ AOL.Com

Thank you,

Leslie Eloed / Elo"d La'szlo'
California, USA


Hungary SIG #Hungary Labor-camp: Erdovaros Teglagyar / Brickfactory at Erdovaros, Hungary #hungary

Eloedfamily@...
 

Dear Friends,

at the risk of repeating something I posted maybe a couple of years ago, I
will repeat an inquiry;

My father, before taken to the Mauthausen death camp (passed avay just 5 days
before the liberation) served as a forced laborer at the Erdo"va'ros (I seem
to recall 102 Bat.) camp, not far >from Budapest. They were a rail-railway
construction unit. My father as an engineer most likely working as a foreman.
This is the same unit, our well known Hungarian poet-writer Erno" Sze'p served
at. My father La'szlo' Elo"d was called up as of April 1, 1944. His last
written communication came >from this camp dated in late November / early December
1944.

Erno" Sze'p describes parts of life there in his book (translated >from
Hungarian into German and English; original Hungarian title: "Emberszag". The book
reflects a lot of his own psyche and emotional damages caused by the captivity.
Due to his at the time already advanced age, he was freed after approx. 3 or
4 month in this captivity. He eventually died in the 1950-s in Budapest. My
father mentions his meeting Erno' Sze'p at the camp.

I am trying to find anyone who was part of that unit, and recalls any of the
details of life there. My father at the time was 42 years old, so still alive
survivors would probably be around the age of 80 today, or have children in
the 60 age group who may reacall some of the writings or anectodes >from their
fathers.

You may respond to this by writing to me at:

eloedfamily@ aol.com or at
leloed@ AOL.Com

Thank you,

Leslie Eloed / Elo"d La'szlo'
California, USA