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Intro to Jewish Genealogy, Center for Jewish History, NYC #france

Robert Friedman <rfriedman@...>
 

The Center for Jewish History Genealogy Institute
Fall 2004 Workshop Schedule

[Please excuse cross-posting to multiple lists]

Introduction to Jewish Genealogy
11:00 am - 12:30 pm
October 12
November 11
December 8

A one-hour presentation covers general principles and procedures of
family history research, with ample time allowed for questions and answers.
Beginning steps include oral history, "family archives" containing treasured
photographs and documents,and selected Internet sites. Most information,
however, must still be gleaned >from source documents such as the US census,
immigration and naturalization papers, vital records, cemetery and funeral
home records, newspapers, city directories, and telephone books. Special
topics to consider while searching for relatives include the origins
of Jewish surnames, language and spelling variations, the accuracy and completeness
of records, and the historical context in which various records were
created and used.

LIMITED ENROLLMENT -- Pre-registration recommended

Center for Jewish History Box Office
15 W. 16th Street
New York, NY 10011
917-606-8200
boxoffice@cjh.org

The Center for Jewish History Genealogy Institute collaborates with the
CJH partners--the American Jewish Historical Society, the American Sephardi
Federation, the Leo Baeck Institute, the Yeshiva University Museum, and
the YIVO Institute for Jewish Research--to
provide access to family history reference materials, answer questions
about family history research, orient family history researchers to the
collections at CJH, and offer programs on family history research.

Robert Friedman, Director
212-294-8318
gi@cjh.org
www.cjh.org/family/


French SIG #France Intro to Jewish Genealogy, Center for Jewish History, NYC #france

Robert Friedman <rfriedman@...>
 

The Center for Jewish History Genealogy Institute
Fall 2004 Workshop Schedule

[Please excuse cross-posting to multiple lists]

Introduction to Jewish Genealogy
11:00 am - 12:30 pm
October 12
November 11
December 8

A one-hour presentation covers general principles and procedures of
family history research, with ample time allowed for questions and answers.
Beginning steps include oral history, "family archives" containing treasured
photographs and documents,and selected Internet sites. Most information,
however, must still be gleaned >from source documents such as the US census,
immigration and naturalization papers, vital records, cemetery and funeral
home records, newspapers, city directories, and telephone books. Special
topics to consider while searching for relatives include the origins
of Jewish surnames, language and spelling variations, the accuracy and completeness
of records, and the historical context in which various records were
created and used.

LIMITED ENROLLMENT -- Pre-registration recommended

Center for Jewish History Box Office
15 W. 16th Street
New York, NY 10011
917-606-8200
boxoffice@cjh.org

The Center for Jewish History Genealogy Institute collaborates with the
CJH partners--the American Jewish Historical Society, the American Sephardi
Federation, the Leo Baeck Institute, the Yeshiva University Museum, and
the YIVO Institute for Jewish Research--to
provide access to family history reference materials, answer questions
about family history research, orient family history researchers to the
collections at CJH, and offer programs on family history research.

Robert Friedman, Director
212-294-8318
gi@cjh.org
www.cjh.org/family/


KRYSTAL relatives in Paris #france

Sara Crystal <scrapbasket@...>
 

dear friends, I am searching for CRYSTAL/KRYSTAL relatives and
history. My grandfather Joseph CRYSTAL/KRYSTAL and his brother
George/Gdalja/Gustav/Gustain had an older brother and possibly a sister
in Paris in 1904-WWII. They were all >from Warsaw, Poland or possibly
Grawejo or the Piotrkow Gubernia in Poland. This brother was
successful in diamond jewelry sales and manufacture >from 1902(?) or so.
The name of the business in Newark and NYC was LA PEARIS or something
like that. My grandfather Joe used to write letters in Hebrew to his
brother.I have heard that the jewelry is now collectable. Can you help
take me further or does this information ring any bells? Family
history says most CRYSTAL that remained in Poland and France perished
but one or two survived.

Yours, Sara CRYSTAL in Oakland Ca searching for
CRYSTAL/KRYSZTAL/KRISTAL/KRYSTAL in Warsaw,Grawejo,Poland and
RABINOWITZ, FRIDMAN in Lithuania

MODERATOR NOTE: Family names only must be entered in capital letters,
for easier visibility.


French SIG #France KRYSTAL relatives in Paris #france

Sara Crystal <scrapbasket@...>
 

dear friends, I am searching for CRYSTAL/KRYSTAL relatives and
history. My grandfather Joseph CRYSTAL/KRYSTAL and his brother
George/Gdalja/Gustav/Gustain had an older brother and possibly a sister
in Paris in 1904-WWII. They were all >from Warsaw, Poland or possibly
Grawejo or the Piotrkow Gubernia in Poland. This brother was
successful in diamond jewelry sales and manufacture >from 1902(?) or so.
The name of the business in Newark and NYC was LA PEARIS or something
like that. My grandfather Joe used to write letters in Hebrew to his
brother.I have heard that the jewelry is now collectable. Can you help
take me further or does this information ring any bells? Family
history says most CRYSTAL that remained in Poland and France perished
but one or two survived.

Yours, Sara CRYSTAL in Oakland Ca searching for
CRYSTAL/KRYSZTAL/KRISTAL/KRYSTAL in Warsaw,Grawejo,Poland and
RABINOWITZ, FRIDMAN in Lithuania

MODERATOR NOTE: Family names only must be entered in capital letters,
for easier visibility.


Pierre LEVY and Madeleine BERNHEIM #france

Abraham Blum <blum@...>
 

Maybe I lost some e-mails, while being away.
I look for the birth (ca. 1789), marriage and death dates of Pierre LEVY
and of his wife Madeleine BERNHEIM, born 2.3.1789 in Hagenthal. Their
daughter Julie Levy was born 8.12.1815 in Mulhouse. I have information on
the ancestors of Madeleine BERNHEIM, but not on Pierre LEVY.

Abraham BLUM, Rishon Lezion, Israel
blum@agri.huji.ac.il


Leopold LEVY died 23 Nov 1825 in Mulhouse at the age of 4 year and 11 month
Father Pierre LEVY and Mother Madeleine BERNHEIM

information on the parents is of interest

Pierre M. Hahn, San Francisco



---
Abraham Blum
Hashomer 12/9
Rishon Lezion 75324
Israel
Phone/fax: (972) 3 958 18 21
e-mail: blum@agri.huji.ac.il


Yahrzeit - SHAPIRA brothers of Slavuta #rabbinic

Ginsburg, Paul W <GinsburgP@...>
 

Does anyone know the yahrzeits of R. Shmuel Abba SHAPIRA and
R. Pinchas SHAPIRA of Slavuta?

Paul W. Ginsburg
Rockville, Maryland
http://www.sudilkov.com


French SIG #France Pierre LEVY and Madeleine BERNHEIM #france

Abraham Blum <blum@...>
 

Maybe I lost some e-mails, while being away.
I look for the birth (ca. 1789), marriage and death dates of Pierre LEVY
and of his wife Madeleine BERNHEIM, born 2.3.1789 in Hagenthal. Their
daughter Julie Levy was born 8.12.1815 in Mulhouse. I have information on
the ancestors of Madeleine BERNHEIM, but not on Pierre LEVY.

Abraham BLUM, Rishon Lezion, Israel
blum@agri.huji.ac.il


Leopold LEVY died 23 Nov 1825 in Mulhouse at the age of 4 year and 11 month
Father Pierre LEVY and Mother Madeleine BERNHEIM

information on the parents is of interest

Pierre M. Hahn, San Francisco



---
Abraham Blum
Hashomer 12/9
Rishon Lezion 75324
Israel
Phone/fax: (972) 3 958 18 21
e-mail: blum@agri.huji.ac.il


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Yahrzeit - SHAPIRA brothers of Slavuta #rabbinic

Ginsburg, Paul W <GinsburgP@...>
 

Does anyone know the yahrzeits of R. Shmuel Abba SHAPIRA and
R. Pinchas SHAPIRA of Slavuta?

Paul W. Ginsburg
Rockville, Maryland
http://www.sudilkov.com


Ref: More questions about names #hungary

Ruben Weiser <weiser@...>
 

I also seen many children named with the same names as their parents.
First i suposse that this parents died before the child was named but i
found some cases when the parents were still alive.
Then i suposse they were not ortodox but also find out some of them were.
My concluttion is that hungarian jewish, specialy ortodox, didn't care about
the civil names because they regularly used their jewish names.and there is
not any prohibition about civil names the customs are only about jewish
names.
I have an ancestor with the jewish name Yakov Itzchak that was written in 3
diferents civil registers as 1)jeno,2)jakob,3)icik. he can have a son with
the jewish name joshua with the civil name also jeno,because their jewish
names was not the same.

Ruben Weiser
Buenos Aires
Argentina

Subject: Re: More questions about names
From: Robert Neu <roneu1@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 23:14:50 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 1

To my experience >from looking at countless Hungarian pre 1895 B,M,D
FHL Films as well as about 50,000 records for the 1848 census, children
having the same secular name as their parents is very common.

Go on the AHD search the records for any town and look at the result.

Robert Neu


Hungary SIG #Hungary Ref: More questions about names #hungary

Ruben Weiser <weiser@...>
 

I also seen many children named with the same names as their parents.
First i suposse that this parents died before the child was named but i
found some cases when the parents were still alive.
Then i suposse they were not ortodox but also find out some of them were.
My concluttion is that hungarian jewish, specialy ortodox, didn't care about
the civil names because they regularly used their jewish names.and there is
not any prohibition about civil names the customs are only about jewish
names.
I have an ancestor with the jewish name Yakov Itzchak that was written in 3
diferents civil registers as 1)jeno,2)jakob,3)icik. he can have a son with
the jewish name joshua with the civil name also jeno,because their jewish
names was not the same.

Ruben Weiser
Buenos Aires
Argentina

Subject: Re: More questions about names
From: Robert Neu <roneu1@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 23:14:50 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 1

To my experience >from looking at countless Hungarian pre 1895 B,M,D
FHL Films as well as about 50,000 records for the 1848 census, children
having the same secular name as their parents is very common.

Go on the AHD search the records for any town and look at the result.

Robert Neu


Name Changes #ukraine

PAUL EDISES
 

I don't want to split hairs on this seemingly complex issue, but here's my
two cents. I believe my family name was most likely IDESIS. It seems to be
the most common spelling in Eastern Europe. I have found no occurrence of
EDISES anywhere overseas, which is how we spell it now. I have an image of
the manifest. It shows EDISES. I postulate that due to language
difficulties, the person recording names on board the ship had to discern
them phonetically. Hence IDESIS becomes EDISES. GENDLER becomes HENDLER or
ENDLER perhaps? Quick story: During graduation, they announce my name as
EEDISEES, which is probably closer to the real pronunciation. We pronounce
it ED-IS-SES.

Best Wishes,

PAUL EDISES, APACHE JUNCTION, AZ.

EDISES, IDESIS, SPARBER, HENDLER, GENDLER, ENDLER, LUBIN.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Name Changes #ukraine

PAUL EDISES
 

I don't want to split hairs on this seemingly complex issue, but here's my
two cents. I believe my family name was most likely IDESIS. It seems to be
the most common spelling in Eastern Europe. I have found no occurrence of
EDISES anywhere overseas, which is how we spell it now. I have an image of
the manifest. It shows EDISES. I postulate that due to language
difficulties, the person recording names on board the ship had to discern
them phonetically. Hence IDESIS becomes EDISES. GENDLER becomes HENDLER or
ENDLER perhaps? Quick story: During graduation, they announce my name as
EEDISEES, which is probably closer to the real pronunciation. We pronounce
it ED-IS-SES.

Best Wishes,

PAUL EDISES, APACHE JUNCTION, AZ.

EDISES, IDESIS, SPARBER, HENDLER, GENDLER, ENDLER, LUBIN.


NTA/Kew look-up request #unitedkingdom

JNB <jnblank@...>
 

A TNA catalogue search indicates that the background papers of the
naturalisation application of Jacob BELINKIN (1885-1926) have now been
made available. In my previous efforts to obtain copies of these
records (with the assistance of a kind London genner) the files were
classified as closed.

If any fellow genner on this list is planning a visit to Kew and would
be willing to do a simple look-up, I'd be very grateful. I have the
relevant file ref.numbers.

Please contact me privately: jnblank@netvision.net.il

Joel Blankett
Jerusalem, Israel


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom NTA/Kew look-up request #unitedkingdom

JNB <jnblank@...>
 

A TNA catalogue search indicates that the background papers of the
naturalisation application of Jacob BELINKIN (1885-1926) have now been
made available. In my previous efforts to obtain copies of these
records (with the assistance of a kind London genner) the files were
classified as closed.

If any fellow genner on this list is planning a visit to Kew and would
be willing to do a simple look-up, I'd be very grateful. I have the
relevant file ref.numbers.

Please contact me privately: jnblank@netvision.net.il

Joel Blankett
Jerusalem, Israel


Re: Given name of Veit #hungary

Henry Sinai <hmsinai@...>
 

I am not surprised that Veit MAYER was called Shraga.

In my family, my GGF was called Veit or Feit in census records 1800's.
His name was written as FEISH (Yiddish) in Chevra Kadisha records.

Descecndants named after him were called Phillip/Fulop/Fillip or similar
depending on the country of birth (secular) and in Hebrew their name
was/is Shraga.

Best Wishes,

Henry Sinai
RAANANA
Israel
hmsinai@netvision.net.il

Researching FAMILY names:
SINAI and variations (SZINAI, SINAJ,SYNAJ, ETC)- Austria, Hungary,
Turkey, Rest of World
TRITSCH/TRIETSCH (and variations) Central Europe
PARNES- Lemberg (Lvov), Brody, Berlin
GOLDENBERG- Brody, Berlin
MOSZKOWSKI- Opole Lubelskie; Leszniow, Rzeszow, Poland
SOBEL- Opole Lubelskie; Poland
WOLARSKI -Mlawa; Poland
JELLINEK - Bratislava (Pressburg), Vienna
)von) KEMENY - Austria/Hungary

-----Original Message-----
From: Wolf-Erich Eckstein [mailto:w.eckstein@chello.at]
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 5:20 PM
To: H-SIG
Subject: Re: Re:[h-sig] Given name of SCHEI

Professor G. L. Esterson wrote:
Thus, in legal contracts (Get, etc.) a person with this German secular
name VEIT and the Hebrew name Yaakov (say) would have his name called
as
Yaakov Fayt in an aliya in shul. A Yiddish nickname for the Yiddish
name
FAYT would be Faytl and a German secular nickname would be
Feitl/Feitel in
German script.
Veit MAYER (1786-1865) was called on his headstone: Shraga, son of Rabbi
Jecheskijahu

Wolf-Erich Eckstein
Vienna/AUSTRIA


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: Given name of Veit #hungary

Henry Sinai <hmsinai@...>
 

I am not surprised that Veit MAYER was called Shraga.

In my family, my GGF was called Veit or Feit in census records 1800's.
His name was written as FEISH (Yiddish) in Chevra Kadisha records.

Descecndants named after him were called Phillip/Fulop/Fillip or similar
depending on the country of birth (secular) and in Hebrew their name
was/is Shraga.

Best Wishes,

Henry Sinai
RAANANA
Israel
hmsinai@netvision.net.il

Researching FAMILY names:
SINAI and variations (SZINAI, SINAJ,SYNAJ, ETC)- Austria, Hungary,
Turkey, Rest of World
TRITSCH/TRIETSCH (and variations) Central Europe
PARNES- Lemberg (Lvov), Brody, Berlin
GOLDENBERG- Brody, Berlin
MOSZKOWSKI- Opole Lubelskie; Leszniow, Rzeszow, Poland
SOBEL- Opole Lubelskie; Poland
WOLARSKI -Mlawa; Poland
JELLINEK - Bratislava (Pressburg), Vienna
)von) KEMENY - Austria/Hungary

-----Original Message-----
From: Wolf-Erich Eckstein [mailto:w.eckstein@chello.at]
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 5:20 PM
To: H-SIG
Subject: Re: Re:[h-sig] Given name of SCHEI

Professor G. L. Esterson wrote:
Thus, in legal contracts (Get, etc.) a person with this German secular
name VEIT and the Hebrew name Yaakov (say) would have his name called
as
Yaakov Fayt in an aliya in shul. A Yiddish nickname for the Yiddish
name
FAYT would be Faytl and a German secular nickname would be
Feitl/Feitel in
German script.
Veit MAYER (1786-1865) was called on his headstone: Shraga, son of Rabbi
Jecheskijahu

Wolf-Erich Eckstein
Vienna/AUSTRIA


Re: Country origin for the name BERTA? Re: More questions about names #hungary

"רוזן
 

sorry about my english

my ggmother her name was BERTA BATYA MENDEL nee LEJNER.

she lived in Transylvanya Deva. but born at Urikan.

Anat Rosen (Rashkes)
Abirim
Israel
m4rosen@012.net.il

Researching: MENDEL, FISCHER,FRITSCH, SCHWARTZ, ABRAHAM, LAYNER all from
Transylvania

-----Original Message-----
From: BruceKitty@aol.com [mailto:BruceKitty@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 4:01 AM
To: H-SIG
Subject: Country origin for the name BERTA? Re: [h-sig] More questions about
names

Would anyone know the origin for the name BERTA? My Hungarian
grandmother's
name was Berta, yet this seems to be an unusual name . I only heard of one
other Berta who happened to have been Viennese. (I am researching my
grandmother's ancestors, trying to find great grandparents.. Perhaps if I
would know the
country origin for Berta, it may offer some leads.)
Many thanks,
Kitty Sauber NY

MODERATOR NOTE: Welcome to the list Anat and thanks for your input.


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: Country origin for the name BERTA? Re: More questions about names #hungary

"רוזן
 

sorry about my english

my ggmother her name was BERTA BATYA MENDEL nee LEJNER.

she lived in Transylvanya Deva. but born at Urikan.

Anat Rosen (Rashkes)
Abirim
Israel
m4rosen@012.net.il

Researching: MENDEL, FISCHER,FRITSCH, SCHWARTZ, ABRAHAM, LAYNER all from
Transylvania

-----Original Message-----
From: BruceKitty@aol.com [mailto:BruceKitty@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 4:01 AM
To: H-SIG
Subject: Country origin for the name BERTA? Re: [h-sig] More questions about
names

Would anyone know the origin for the name BERTA? My Hungarian
grandmother's
name was Berta, yet this seems to be an unusual name . I only heard of one
other Berta who happened to have been Viennese. (I am researching my
grandmother's ancestors, trying to find great grandparents.. Perhaps if I
would know the
country origin for Berta, it may offer some leads.)
Many thanks,
Kitty Sauber NY

MODERATOR NOTE: Welcome to the list Anat and thanks for your input.


Re: Country origin for the name BERTA? Re: More questions about names #hungary

Robert Neu
 

Check the H-Sig archive. This name has been largely reviewed before.
Alternate spelling: Bertha.

Robert Neu

BruceKitty@aol.com wrote:
Would anyone know the origin for the name
BERTA? My Hungarian grandmother's
name was Berta, yet this seems to be an unusual name . I only heard of
one
other Berta who happened to have been Viennese. (I am researching my
grandmother's ancestors, trying to find great grandparents.. Perhaps if
I would know the
country origin for Berta, it may offer some leads.)
Many thanks,
Kitty Sauber NY

MODERATOR NOTE: Please check also the JewishGen InfoFiles covering
Jewish names and Jewish naming customs:
<http://www2.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/#Names>


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Country origin for the name BERTA? Re: More questions about names #hungary

Robert Neu
 

Check the H-Sig archive. This name has been largely reviewed before.
Alternate spelling: Bertha.

Robert Neu

BruceKitty@aol.com wrote:
Would anyone know the origin for the name
BERTA? My Hungarian grandmother's
name was Berta, yet this seems to be an unusual name . I only heard of
one
other Berta who happened to have been Viennese. (I am researching my
grandmother's ancestors, trying to find great grandparents.. Perhaps if
I would know the
country origin for Berta, it may offer some leads.)
Many thanks,
Kitty Sauber NY

MODERATOR NOTE: Please check also the JewishGen InfoFiles covering
Jewish names and Jewish naming customs:
<http://www2.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/#Names>