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Where to go from here? #austria-czech

bjansen201@...
 

I was able to find two of my grandfather's brothers on the Shoah list of Yad
Vashem. Both were the subject of a page of testimony by their brother,
Richard SOMMER, who emigrated to Israel and died in 1980. He also provided
pages of testimony on three siblings, Irma and George FRIED and their
sister Ida POPA. I have no idea how the FRIEDS and the SOMMER family
are related (Richard provided testimony as a relative), but I suspect
Richard's wife (if he had one) is the link.

Are there census, marriage and death records available for Israel
either online through FHL in Salt Lake City? Perhaps marriage records
for Austria in the early 1900's might be useful?

The SOMMER family migrated >from Bohemia (Caslau) in the mid 1800s
and settled in Amstetten, Austria. Ludwig was listed as residing in
Amstetten and Artur in Wieden when they were deported to Poland.

Any suggestions welcome.

Barbara Sommer Jansen
Colorado,USA


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Where to go from here? #austria-czech

bjansen201@...
 

I was able to find two of my grandfather's brothers on the Shoah list of Yad
Vashem. Both were the subject of a page of testimony by their brother,
Richard SOMMER, who emigrated to Israel and died in 1980. He also provided
pages of testimony on three siblings, Irma and George FRIED and their
sister Ida POPA. I have no idea how the FRIEDS and the SOMMER family
are related (Richard provided testimony as a relative), but I suspect
Richard's wife (if he had one) is the link.

Are there census, marriage and death records available for Israel
either online through FHL in Salt Lake City? Perhaps marriage records
for Austria in the early 1900's might be useful?

The SOMMER family migrated >from Bohemia (Caslau) in the mid 1800s
and settled in Amstetten, Austria. Ludwig was listed as residing in
Amstetten and Artur in Wieden when they were deported to Poland.

Any suggestions welcome.

Barbara Sommer Jansen
Colorado,USA


RUBIN Family from Vienna #austria-czech

bob rubin <bob_rubin@...>
 

Hello,

My name is Robert Rubin. I am trying to obtain more
information on my great grandfather and his family.

I know very little about my great grandfather as he had separated
from my great grandmother almost a century ago. His name was Hirsh (Harry)
RUBIN. He arrived in the United States on March 15, 1891. All of
the documents that I was able to obtain (2 United States census records, my
grandfather´s birth certificate, and my great aunt´s death certificate)
all indicate that Hirsh RUBIN was >from Austria. His United States
Naturalization Record states that he was born on November 12, 1861. The
census records confirm that he was born around 1861. My grandfather´s wife
said to me (20 years ago) that he was >from Vienna. I do not know if that
meant that he was born in Vienna or had lived there prior to moving
to the United States. Or perhaps, Hirsh had always told people that he was
from Vienna because it was a well-known city, and he actually may have
lived close to Vienna. He married my great grandmother, Katherine SILBERMAN,
who was >from Izyaslav, Volynhia, Ukraine. They probably met and married
in New York as she had arrived in the United States in 1892, and their
first born child was in 1900. They had 3 children: Hyman, Betty, and
Samuel. Initially, they lived in New York City, and then they moved to Boston.

Any help or suggestions in finding out more information on my family would
be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Robert RUBIN
bob_rubin@...


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech RUBIN Family from Vienna #austria-czech

bob rubin <bob_rubin@...>
 

Hello,

My name is Robert Rubin. I am trying to obtain more
information on my great grandfather and his family.

I know very little about my great grandfather as he had separated
from my great grandmother almost a century ago. His name was Hirsh (Harry)
RUBIN. He arrived in the United States on March 15, 1891. All of
the documents that I was able to obtain (2 United States census records, my
grandfather´s birth certificate, and my great aunt´s death certificate)
all indicate that Hirsh RUBIN was >from Austria. His United States
Naturalization Record states that he was born on November 12, 1861. The
census records confirm that he was born around 1861. My grandfather´s wife
said to me (20 years ago) that he was >from Vienna. I do not know if that
meant that he was born in Vienna or had lived there prior to moving
to the United States. Or perhaps, Hirsh had always told people that he was
from Vienna because it was a well-known city, and he actually may have
lived close to Vienna. He married my great grandmother, Katherine SILBERMAN,
who was >from Izyaslav, Volynhia, Ukraine. They probably met and married
in New York as she had arrived in the United States in 1892, and their
first born child was in 1900. They had 3 children: Hyman, Betty, and
Samuel. Initially, they lived in New York City, and then they moved to Boston.

Any help or suggestions in finding out more information on my family would
be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Robert RUBIN
bob_rubin@...


Hungary SIG #Hungary Hungarian Panel for IAJGS Conference-Shtetl Trips/Archive Research-Volunteers! #hungary

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

We are looking for people interested in participating in a Hungarian Special
Interest Group-sponsored panel discussion/presentation on "Visiting Your
Ancestral Shtetl and Researching in Eastern European Archives" for the IAJGS
Las Vegas conference, which will take place >from July 10th - 15th this
summer.

If you have traveled to a city, town or village that was located in
pre-Trianon (greater) Hungary (including Transcarpathia/Ukraine, Slovakia,
Romania) whether it was with a group or a privately arranged trip--and would
like to share your stories and experiences, please get in touch with me.

The topics we'd like to cover are:

-Before you leave....how to prepare for all facets of this type of trip.
-hiring guides, translators, drivers
-town visits...dos and don'ts.
-researching in city and regional archives, town halls, libraries,
universities, USC offices, etc. What documents can be found and the best
ways to access them.
-cemetery restorations or documentation
-synagogue visits-experiences with the religious communities abroad
-Travel recommendations: air, train, car, hotel accommodations, food
issues--(Kosher or not.)
-What to take--cameras, converters, money (for tipping versus spending),
medications, research/office supplies, etc.
-What you would have done differently...what you'd like to do again.

If you are interested in offering your expertise--based on personal
experience--on any of these topics, or simply have an interesting anecdote
to tell about your trip--and think you will be attending the conference,
please send me the following:

-Name/Contact Information
-Brief (but specific) information about where and when you traveled and what
you did.
-Topics you would be most interested in discussing.
-Short Bio

Even if you are only tentatively attending the Las Vegas conference at this
point, feel free to submit your information. We'd like to have as many
potential panel members as possible at this point, even if some of you end
up not attending the conference.

If your are reading this, but have never taken a shtetl trip, but are
considering doing so, please offer suggestions on topics you think should be
included in this type of panel discussion.

Looking forward to your feedback!

Pamela Weisberger
H-SIG Liason
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@...


Hungary SIG #Hungary history of Satoraljaujhely #hungary

Henry Lifton <henlif@...>
 

Can you tell me where to get a copy of this book.

Thanks
Henry Lifton
Boca Raton, FL

Subject: history of Satoraljaujhely
From: Zebradisc@...
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 13:40:32 EST
X-Message-Number: 4

many thanks to stephen (and of course mrs. danko for creating it) for
translating this wonderfully informative little book. what a fantastic
snapshot
and collection of observations.
it is packed with insight and detail and will be of interest to all with
jewish heritage, irrespective of where in hungary they resided.
ricky schultz
los angeles


Hungary SIG #Hungary Cross Reference Guide #hungary

Carol J. Robinson <caroljr@...>
 

Hi Everyone,

It's been another good week for the project. We now have 782 towns
completed, and you can find the list of completed towns at
http://www.jewishgen.org/Hungary/completedtowns.html.

Thanks to everyone who contributed towns this week. Special recognition
is due Ilan Kozma of Israel, who submitted 152 towns >from Somogy. Kol
Hakavod, Ilan, and Todah Rabah.

A few comments:

1. Two of the three major contributors used Yizkor books to provide the
town names. I never thought of this approach, but if any of you have
Yizkor books and would do the required cross referencing, your efforts
would be greatly appreciated.

2. There are a number of megyes that have no or almost no towns
contributed. So just in case any of you have connections to these
megyes, it would be great if you would take the time to contribute.

No towns: Csongrad, Szeben
Almost no towns: Also-Feher, Arad, Bacs-Bodrog, Bars, Brasso, Csanad,
Csik, Fogaras, Haromszek, Hunyad, Krasso-Szoreny, Lipto, Nagy-Kukullo,
Temes, Torda-Aranyos, Turoc and Udvahely.

I've also learned that it would be helpful if you would add a comment if
you know your town merged with another town. It makes it easier for me
to proofread when I have that information.

This is the last week of the first phase of the project. After this
week, the initial list of completed towns (including all of the
Maramaros towns not yet on the list) will be closed and the synogogues
will be added. That doesn't mean that I won't take any additional
submissions after next Sunday, but it would be helpful to have as many
names submitted by next Sunday as possible.

Thanks again to everyone who took the time to contribute.

Carol Robinson
H-SIG Research Coordinator
caroljr@...
Alameda, CA USA


history of Satoraljaujhely #hungary

Henry Lifton <henlif@...>
 

Can you tell me where to get a copy of this book.

Thanks
Henry Lifton
Boca Raton, FL

Subject: history of Satoraljaujhely
From: Zebradisc@...
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 13:40:32 EST
X-Message-Number: 4

many thanks to stephen (and of course mrs. danko for creating it) for
translating this wonderfully informative little book. what a fantastic
snapshot
and collection of observations.
it is packed with insight and detail and will be of interest to all with
jewish heritage, irrespective of where in hungary they resided.
ricky schultz
los angeles


Hungarian Panel for IAJGS Conference-Shtetl Trips/Archive Research-Volunteers! #hungary

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

We are looking for people interested in participating in a Hungarian Special
Interest Group-sponsored panel discussion/presentation on "Visiting Your
Ancestral Shtetl and Researching in Eastern European Archives" for the IAJGS
Las Vegas conference, which will take place >from July 10th - 15th this
summer.

If you have traveled to a city, town or village that was located in
pre-Trianon (greater) Hungary (including Transcarpathia/Ukraine, Slovakia,
Romania) whether it was with a group or a privately arranged trip--and would
like to share your stories and experiences, please get in touch with me.

The topics we'd like to cover are:

-Before you leave....how to prepare for all facets of this type of trip.
-hiring guides, translators, drivers
-town visits...dos and don'ts.
-researching in city and regional archives, town halls, libraries,
universities, USC offices, etc. What documents can be found and the best
ways to access them.
-cemetery restorations or documentation
-synagogue visits-experiences with the religious communities abroad
-Travel recommendations: air, train, car, hotel accommodations, food
issues--(Kosher or not.)
-What to take--cameras, converters, money (for tipping versus spending),
medications, research/office supplies, etc.
-What you would have done differently...what you'd like to do again.

If you are interested in offering your expertise--based on personal
experience--on any of these topics, or simply have an interesting anecdote
to tell about your trip--and think you will be attending the conference,
please send me the following:

-Name/Contact Information
-Brief (but specific) information about where and when you traveled and what
you did.
-Topics you would be most interested in discussing.
-Short Bio

Even if you are only tentatively attending the Las Vegas conference at this
point, feel free to submit your information. We'd like to have as many
potential panel members as possible at this point, even if some of you end
up not attending the conference.

If your are reading this, but have never taken a shtetl trip, but are
considering doing so, please offer suggestions on topics you think should be
included in this type of panel discussion.

Looking forward to your feedback!

Pamela Weisberger
H-SIG Liason
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@...


Cross Reference Guide #hungary

Carol J. Robinson <caroljr@...>
 

Hi Everyone,

It's been another good week for the project. We now have 782 towns
completed, and you can find the list of completed towns at
http://www.jewishgen.org/Hungary/completedtowns.html.

Thanks to everyone who contributed towns this week. Special recognition
is due Ilan Kozma of Israel, who submitted 152 towns >from Somogy. Kol
Hakavod, Ilan, and Todah Rabah.

A few comments:

1. Two of the three major contributors used Yizkor books to provide the
town names. I never thought of this approach, but if any of you have
Yizkor books and would do the required cross referencing, your efforts
would be greatly appreciated.

2. There are a number of megyes that have no or almost no towns
contributed. So just in case any of you have connections to these
megyes, it would be great if you would take the time to contribute.

No towns: Csongrad, Szeben
Almost no towns: Also-Feher, Arad, Bacs-Bodrog, Bars, Brasso, Csanad,
Csik, Fogaras, Haromszek, Hunyad, Krasso-Szoreny, Lipto, Nagy-Kukullo,
Temes, Torda-Aranyos, Turoc and Udvahely.

I've also learned that it would be helpful if you would add a comment if
you know your town merged with another town. It makes it easier for me
to proofread when I have that information.

This is the last week of the first phase of the project. After this
week, the initial list of completed towns (including all of the
Maramaros towns not yet on the list) will be closed and the synogogues
will be added. That doesn't mean that I won't take any additional
submissions after next Sunday, but it would be helpful to have as many
names submitted by next Sunday as possible.

Thanks again to everyone who took the time to contribute.

Carol Robinson
H-SIG Research Coordinator
caroljr@...
Alameda, CA USA


Hungary SIG #Hungary Eduard Neuman #hungary

John J Kovacs <j.kovacs@...>
 

Denise Pfalzer posted two parts of a documnmet on
Viewmate and asks what happened to Ede Neuman on 6
June 1905. I may be looking at the wrong note as I
don't see anything happening to Ede in 1905. It would
be helpful if Denise would send the headings of the
document. Besides the document being very hard to
read, my guess is that Eduard Neuman was born on
Januar 19, 1879 and his father was Heinrich Neuman.

John Kovacs


Hungary SIG #Hungary hatam sofer #hungary

jacob michel <jmichael@...>
 

Hello,
does anyone know when and where the responsa of the Hatam Sofer [Rabbi Moshe
Schreiber] was first published?
does anybody know if the queries he received are still existant and where
they are today? [or photocopies of original letters ]

thank you,
jacob michel
israel


hatam sofer #hungary

jacob michel <jmichael@...>
 

Hello,
does anyone know when and where the responsa of the Hatam Sofer [Rabbi Moshe
Schreiber] was first published?
does anybody know if the queries he received are still existant and where
they are today? [or photocopies of original letters ]

thank you,
jacob michel
israel


Eduard Neuman #hungary

John J Kovacs <j.kovacs@...>
 

Denise Pfalzer posted two parts of a documnmet on
Viewmate and asks what happened to Ede Neuman on 6
June 1905. I may be looking at the wrong note as I
don't see anything happening to Ede in 1905. It would
be helpful if Denise would send the headings of the
document. Besides the document being very hard to
read, my guess is that Eduard Neuman was born on
Januar 19, 1879 and his father was Heinrich Neuman.

John Kovacs


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Viewmate 5236 & 5237 #hungary

Robert Neu
 

The script for Eduard Neuman even downloaded and double sized is barely
readable. It refers to an action of the Belugyminiszter (Interior
Ministry.) So just one question did the Neuman change their name? If so
that is what the entry is about.

Robert Neu
--- d pfalzer <d_pfalzer@...> wrote:

Szia!

I have posted on Viewmate (in two parts) a note
concerning Ede Neumann. Something seems to have
happened to him on 6 June 1905.

I would be grateful to learn what that was.

These links may be helpful to you:

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5236

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5237

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/index.asp

Koszonom!

Denise Pfalzer
Tampa, Florida
USA


Re: Viewmate 5236 & 5237 #hungary

Robert Neu
 

The script for Eduard Neuman even downloaded and double sized is barely
readable. It refers to an action of the Belugyminiszter (Interior
Ministry.) So just one question did the Neuman change their name? If so
that is what the entry is about.

Robert Neu
--- d pfalzer <d_pfalzer@...> wrote:

Szia!

I have posted on Viewmate (in two parts) a note
concerning Ede Neumann. Something seems to have
happened to him on 6 June 1905.

I would be grateful to learn what that was.

These links may be helpful to you:

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5236

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5237

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/index.asp

Koszonom!

Denise Pfalzer
Tampa, Florida
USA


Countess Patazki's Palace #belarus

Diane Jacobs <kingart@...>
 

Most certainly that is a possibility. I have one line of my family
Tree where a greatuncle marries a Shaltakoff >from Moscow after she
Emigrates with her family in 1892. Shaltakoff is an extremely uncommon
Jewish name and the family tells me that it is connected to a Russian
General. A search on google.com shows me the Saltikov family very well
placed in Russia society and related to the Czar's family. One was the
head of Russian Army in Moscow.

So I have to assume that they married into the family which is higly
Unlikely or they worked on the state of this person.

Diane Jacobs
New York

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Joy Weaver wondered whether a Jewish family could have taken the surname
of
the noble family who owned the land on which they lived, and refers to a
Countess Patazki.


Re: Countess PATAZKI of Vysokoye #belarus

joyweave
 

Jenni and Fran,
I'm sure you're right about the spelling of the name. After I submitted
that query, I tried Googling the Countess and also came up with POTOCKI.

But now I'm curious about the POTOCKI relative who converted to Judaism!
Whether related or not, it's an interesting story.

Joy

Jenni Buch wrote:

In reply to Joy Weaver's post re the PATAZKIS (Hi Joy), I am pretty sure
that this Countess was POTOCKI, which were one of the great aristocratic
landowning familys in Poland - they owned vast estates often with
towns and villages on them which they also owned,so that all the
villagers and farmers were their tenants. I am familiar with the name
Count Potocki as as ymbol of great wealth, but thought that they were
more associated with the Ukraine and Galicia rather than the region of
today's Belarus - I do not think that Petruskitz can be converted fron
Patazki -rather that the Russian translation changed the O into an A
sound, like in Camrade/Comrade.
I am sending some quotes >from the SIG discussion archives re Potocki
(pronounced Pototzki) .
These posts were in the Galicia SIG discussion group,
Jenni Buch
Melbourne Australia,
Coordinator Brest and district research


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Countess PATAZKI of Vysokoye #belarus

joyweave
 

Jenni and Fran,
I'm sure you're right about the spelling of the name. After I submitted
that query, I tried Googling the Countess and also came up with POTOCKI.

But now I'm curious about the POTOCKI relative who converted to Judaism!
Whether related or not, it's an interesting story.

Joy

Jenni Buch wrote:

In reply to Joy Weaver's post re the PATAZKIS (Hi Joy), I am pretty sure
that this Countess was POTOCKI, which were one of the great aristocratic
landowning familys in Poland - they owned vast estates often with
towns and villages on them which they also owned,so that all the
villagers and farmers were their tenants. I am familiar with the name
Count Potocki as as ymbol of great wealth, but thought that they were
more associated with the Ukraine and Galicia rather than the region of
today's Belarus - I do not think that Petruskitz can be converted fron
Patazki -rather that the Russian translation changed the O into an A
sound, like in Camrade/Comrade.
I am sending some quotes >from the SIG discussion archives re Potocki
(pronounced Pototzki) .
These posts were in the Galicia SIG discussion group,
Jenni Buch
Melbourne Australia,
Coordinator Brest and district research


Belarus SIG #Belarus Countess Patazki's Palace #belarus

Diane Jacobs <kingart@...>
 

Most certainly that is a possibility. I have one line of my family
Tree where a greatuncle marries a Shaltakoff >from Moscow after she
Emigrates with her family in 1892. Shaltakoff is an extremely uncommon
Jewish name and the family tells me that it is connected to a Russian
General. A search on google.com shows me the Saltikov family very well
placed in Russia society and related to the Czar's family. One was the
head of Russian Army in Moscow.

So I have to assume that they married into the family which is higly
Unlikely or they worked on the state of this person.

Diane Jacobs
New York

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Joy Weaver wondered whether a Jewish family could have taken the surname
of
the noble family who owned the land on which they lived, and refers to a
Countess Patazki.