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Re: Group -- the Luddite position

Lorraine Rosengarten
 

I think you make a good point and wonder how other groups deal with attachments.  

Attachments

Chuck Weinstein
 

A simple solution to the issue would be to have all outgoing attachments scanned by a software that can detect viruses and malware and remove it.  Seems like it would not be a big expense.

 

Chuck Weinstein

Re: Logging in / replying

Hank Mishkoff
 

This is my first post here. I'm replying to a digest, and I have not logged in. Having said that: It knows who I am (my "from" address was automatically filled in), so perhaps I'm still logged in from the last session?

Re: this new group

Chuck Weinstein
 

Sally,
This is the upcoming replacement for the JewishGen Discussion Groups. It has nothing to do with Facebook. 

Chuck Weinstein 


On Jul 27, 2019, at 2:13 PM, Sally Bruckheimer via Groups.Io <sallybruc@...> wrote:

Is this a Facebook product? Is Jewishgen intending to use Facebook?

I doubt I'll get an answer,

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ

Re: Trial #Poland

Yefim Kogan
 

Rose,  yes, if we are talking about Israelis, most can communicate in English,  but if you want to bring Jews from Eastern Europe, South America, that might be a problem.  Not all will be able to understand and write in English.

A good system should give you a choice to translate if not English...

Yefim


-----Original Message-----
From: Rose Feldman <rosef@...>
To: JewishGen@groups.io <JewishGen@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Jul 27, 2019 2:13 pm
Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] Trial

Just some thoughts. It sometimes takes me a while to see certain applications and connections.  If attachments are blocked, then those of us who also post on facebook, and other social media will have to work twice as hard. Just like the situation where the IAJGS conf Facebook page doesn't let you share to your Facebook page. So if you want to put something up for the conference, you have to copy and paste and then sometimes edit. The same with Jan Meisel Allen's notices when we feel they are relevant to our followers. IGRA uses a variety of social media to announce both activities and database releases.  We end up being a slave to social media in order for people to know we are out there.  
Yefim asked about languages. The problem with putting something in any language besides English isn't the problem of translation but that some people won't realize it is relevant to them. We have to realize the great majority of people using this JG discussion list are native English speakers and probably on the North American continent, and if non-English speakers want to ask or reply they have to do it in English. I run into the opposite. If I share an announcement in Hebrew (doesn't matter from where, and we are in Israel where Hebrew is the official language) on our facebook page, sometimes a non-Hebrew speaker asks what is written. Well, it is a problem, because we don't have the time and energy to translate other organizations' posters. And to make some of our announcements bi-lingual is very time-consuming because the best way to handle it is a pdf file. So Yeffim, thought the system handles languages, I am not sure it is wise to write in any other language but English.

Rose Feldman
Israel Genealogy Research Association
Winner of 2017 IAJGS Award for Volunteer of the Year  
http://genealogy.org.il
http:/facebook.com/israelgenealogy

Help us index more records at http://igra.csindexing.com

Keep up to date on archives, databases and genealogy in general and Jewish and Israeli roots in particular with http://twitter.com/JewDataGenGirl


--
Rose Feldman
Israel Genealogy Research Association
Winner of 2017 IAJGS Award for Volunteer of the Year  
http://genealogy.org.il
http:/facebook.com/israelgenealogy

Re: Group -- the Luddite position

Marjorie Geiser
 

Every EML I've subscribed to has prevented attachments. One great feature about JewishGen is ViewMate. I know the recommendation has been to upload our file onto ViewMate and then ask the EML for help with it, but there hasn't been one time I've had to go that far. People have been very quick to respond directly to my request for help on ViewMate.

Margie
Arizona, USA

Marjorie Geiser, MBA, RD
Author "Just Jump: The No-Fear Business Start-up Guide for Health and Fitness Professionals" available on Amazon

Re: Trial #Poland

Rose Feldman
 

I understand Yefim, but by writing in a language other than English it might limit those who can offer help. Whenever I suggest someone write to JG I say, write in short sentences and people aren't put off by mistakes.  Even if you use a translator your best translations are when the sentences are short and not complex and long.

Rose Feldman
Israel Genealogy Research Association
Winner of 2017 IAJGS Award for Volunteer of the Year  
http://genealogy.org.il
http:/facebook.com/israelgenealogy

Help us index more records at http://igra.csindexing.com

Keep up to date on archives, databases and genealogy in general and Jewish and Israeli roots in particular with http://twitter.com/JewDataGenGirl


--
Rose Feldman
Israel Genealogy Research Association
Winner of 2017 IAJGS Award for Volunteer of the Year  
http://genealogy.org.il
http:/facebook.com/israelgenealogy

Re: Group -- the Luddite position

Sam Eneman
 

Margie,

As the ViewMate Moderator, I appreciate your sharing your ViewMate experiences!! Thanks. Many people do post their requests via one or more of the lists.

Sam Eneman
North Carolina USA

Re: Trial #Poland

Sally Bruckheimer
 

On the Lyrica version, people usually reply to a comment, mentioning or quoting something of what they are replying to. That is very helpful to remind us what subject or town the reply concerns. In this groups.io version, nobody seems to do that. I, for one, often don't understand what the reply is talking about.

Do people here agree with me?

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ

Re: Trial #Poland

Dick Plotz
 

Sally, that's "Lyris", not "Lyrica".

Isn't this a function of what people are doing? I guess I'll find out soon, when I see this post. Or not; this reply is in the online interface rather than by email, because I've been testing the appearance of different forms of delivery, and I was on the plain digest.

Currently there are only four options when I edit my delivery preferences:

•Individual messages
•Full-featured digest (a listing of topics with links to read the messages in a given topic)
•Daily summary (similar to Lyris's Index format)
•Announcements only

Groups.io seems to have many delivery options available to offer. Why are they not all offered to subscribers? The overhead for doing so seems to be zero. For instance, two days ago, I think, a plain digest that looks similar to the Lyris digest was presented as an option, and now that option is missing. The plain digest is a daily digest with all the messages for the day. In another groups.io list I'm a member of, there's a plain digest option that is limited to 12 messages, like our current 12-message limit for the full-featured digest. So groups.io seems to offer a daily digest of various sorts and a 12-message digest of various sorts. If any options are to be limited, I would suggest offering only the daily digest. Moderators often schedule long posts to appear at the end of the daily digest so there are no messages after them that would be missed. That's hard to do if some people are getting digests covering overlapping sets of posts. But if the 12-message digests are sent out at the end of each day even if there's only one post waiting to be compiled, there wouldn't be much difference.

So let's see all the options, and then we can decide whether there are some that shouldn't be made available to subscribers. The default position should be that everything is available, and an option should be excluded only with good reason.

Dick

Re: Trial #Poland

Dick Plotz
 

OK, now I have my answer. When a post on the digest is responded to,
there's no trailing quoted material. If it's on the same day (or part
of the day, if someone is on the 12-message digest), the response will
be grouped with the message it's responding to in a thread. But if
it's on a different day, Sally is correct: there's no context for
replies.

This teaches us two lessons:

1. The 12-message digest probably shouldn't be an option. A complete
daily digest affords less opportunity for mysterious disconnected
replies...though there will still be plenty of them.

2. If we don't continue to give high priority to readability, a lot
more people are not going to like what they see than the few people
whose messages have been unfairly rejected under the current system.

Dick


On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 7:26 AM Dick Plotz <Dick@...> wrote:

Sally, that's "Lyris", not "Lyrica".

Isn't this a function of what people are doing? I guess I'll find out soon, when I see this post. Or not; this reply is in the online interface rather than by email, because I've been testing the appearance of different forms of delivery, and I was on the plain digest.

Re: Attachments

Marion Werle
 

Great idea, Chuck
--
Marion Werle
<canadagenes@...>

Re: Trial #Poland

Rachel Kolokoff Hopper <r-hopper@...>
 

I am wondering if the quoted original message in the reply is a feature that can be set by the admin. I agree that it is very confusing to get a response to a message and not see what the post was about. I am getting a lot of individual messages and have no idea what the original subject matter was. I do not get digest so it is happening with all forms of delivery.

-----------------------
Rachel Kolokoff Hopper
Ft. Collins. CO



On Jul 30, 2019, at 7:49 AM, Sally Bruckheimer via Groups.Io <sallybruc@...> wrote:

On the Lyrica version, people usually reply to a comment, mentioning or quoting something of what they are replying to. That is very helpful to remind us what subject or town the reply concerns. In this groups.io version, nobody seems to do that. I, for one, often don't understand what the reply is talking about.

Do people here agree with me?

Sally Bruckheimer
Princeton, NJ

Re: Trial #Poland

Marjorie Geiser
 

I se what you mean. I'm surę I'll reply from my email, and didn't see sm option to quote original. 

Can that be included in this program? 

Margie 
AZ, USA


Marjorie Geiser, RD, MBA

Re: Trial #Poland

Dick Plotz
 

But you (and I, in my second reply) are responding to individual
posts. That will invoke whatever your e-mail client is set to, and has
nothing to do with the group interface. Sally was responding to the
digest, and in that case there's no way to provide context except by
laboriously copying and pasting from the original message, which I
would expect virtually nobody to do.

So we have two extremes.

1. Replies to the digest will virtually never include quoted material
(unless there's a setting for that in the groups.io configuration).

2. Replies to individual messages will almost always include quoted
material. For those of us on gmail, the quoted material will not be
visible as we write our response unless we ask to see it, so threads
will tend to accumulate tails, which can get very, very long.

Neither extreme is user-friendly. In the first case, most readers will
not understand most replies. In the second case, digest readers will
have to deal with long interruptions, which will make it hard to
identify the starts of new posts among all the quoted starts of old
posts. That will be much less of a problem for people who receive the
full-featured digest, and I would expect those to be most subscribers.
But for those of us who quickly scan the text digest now looking for
information or questions of interest, if we do get the option to
receive a text digest having all those tails will make our task much
harder and more time-consuming. Those who do receive the full-featured
digest will have another problem, though: many posts come in with
subject lines that don't tell readers anything about what's in their
message. Typical examples, which moderators see every day:

Subject: Help!

Subject: Family research

If digest readers have to click through to read those messages, I
predict that most of the time very, very few people will ever see
them.

My 20 years of experience moderating JewishGen lists and reading
digests leads me to some conclusions about these problems.

1. The best format for digests would be similar to the current digests
that come out of Lyris, but with the list of subject lines at the top
being live links to the start of the corresponding message. After the
list would come the posts strung together, allowing readers to either
scan subject lines and click through or scan the full list and look
for material of interest. Having only one of these options available
for any given subscriber would be a big step backward.

2. Moderators currently are able to edit subject lines freely. That
capability solves the problem of uninformative subject lines that
would otherwise hobble readers of either the current index version or
future index or full-featured versions.

3. Moderators currently are able to manage long tails by editing them
to leave only enough of the previous message to provide context for
the reply. It's one of the main things we do, and it saves the digest
from being virtually unusable, which it otherwise would be.

4. Currently, replies can be made only by e-mail, not in a web
interface (although Lyris does provide that option, which we have
never supported). For most users, that means replies come with the
message they're replying to quoted below the reply. Replies to the
digest quote the whole digest; if it's clear what message is being
responded to, the moderator can remove all the extraneous stuff if the
sender hasn't already done that. This also gives the moderator an
opportunity to repeat, in a note, the request to remove extraneous
quoted material when responding to the digest. If it's not clear, the
moderator will return the message asking the sender to include only
the relevant material.

5. Points 2-4 above require that moderators have an edit option in
addition to the approve as is or reject options, which were all that
were available in Google Groups. I haven't yet seen the moderation
interface in groups.io, so I don't know if editing is possible there.
If it's not, we're going to be stuck with digests that have either too
much or too little information, or both too much and too little at
different points. If readability is to remain a priority, there's no
way to outsource this work to an algorithm. Algorithms have not made
the work of copy editors unnecessary, and I don't expect that to
happen for a long time. Not that it hasn't been tried; I'm sure it
has. But for the most part it's not conducive to readability.

Dick



On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 11:42 AM Rachel Kolokoff Hopper
<r-hopper@...> wrote:

I am wondering if the quoted original message in the reply is a feature that can be set by the admin. I agree that it is very confusing to get a response to a message and not see what the post was about. I am getting a lot of individual messages and have no idea what the original subject matter was. I do not get digest so it is happening with all forms of delivery.

-----------------------
Rachel Kolokoff Hopper
Ft. Collins. CO
r-hopper@...



On Jul 30, 2019, at 7:49 AM, Sally Bruckheimer via Groups.Io <sallybruc@...> wrote:

On the Lyrica version, people usually reply to a comment, mentioning or quoting something of what they are replying to. That is very helpful to remind us what subject or town the reply concerns. In this groups.io version, nobody seems to do that. I, for one, often don't understand what the reply is talking about.

Visit JewishGen’s New Website!

Nancy Siegel
 

JewishGen is pleased to announce our newly designed website at
www.JewishGen.org. We commissioned the creation of a new landing page to serve as a launching point for the main components of the website. The site is built on a modern, secure platform, which is beneficial for a number of reasons, including: 
  • It has a more intuitive and user-friendly design,

  • It is mobile-responsive, and

  • It has a more familiar platform, which will make it easier for us to find qualified consultants, contractors and volunteers to help us in the future. 


This is not the final plan. It’s a stop-gap redesign that addresses some of the shortcomings of our website by creating a visually appealing, mobile-friendly, and easy to navigate homepage that researchers can utilize to find key components on the JewishGen site. While we attracted approximately one million unique visitors to the JewishGen site last year, only a small portion of this group actually registered or became regular users. We anticipate that an enhanced website will improve these results.


Specifically, we hope the new landing page will help guide researchers to:

  • Search the online collection 

  • Locate ancestral communities 

  • Explore life in their ancestral communities 

  • Join our discussion groups

  • Volunteer, and

  • Donate.


Over the next two months, we will begin crafting a proper technology strategy,  which will include our website and databases. In the meantime, however, this new landing page will immediately help researchers, while also demonstrating JewishGen's strategic focus.


Thank you to everyone on our staff and volunteer leadership team for their suggestions and contributions to making this happen. Special thanks to Scott Seidenstock, Gary Sandler, and Warren Blatt.


Please enjoy the site and visit www.JewishGen.org now. Feedback and suggestions will be most welcome!


Nancy Siegel

Communications Coordinator 

JewishGen.org


Groups IO Hashtags Option

Rachel Kolokoff Hopper <r-hopper@...>
 

So in doing some research into quoted messages in replies I came across the hashtag feature in Groups IO. But before you read below, my understanding of the hashtag option is so that topics can be more easily followed. There IS an option that the admins can set to require hashtags in all subject lines.

A hashtag has an effect only if placed on the first message in a topic, and will be applied to all messages within the topic. (Note that although it is possible to add a hashtag to the subject of an emailed reply by editing the subject, this has no effect; the hashtag will be included in the subject line for members receiving messages via email, but will not be included in the subject line of the archived message or of any other messages within the topic.) This of course will group messages together and make it easier to follow the thread. However, I am guessing that there will be users of this forum that do not know about or understand hashtags. Please read below to understand more fully what this option would provide to the group.


Hashtags

A hashtag is a word or phrase containing no spaces prefixed with the hash character, #, not suffixed to another word or phrase.

Applying hashtags to messages

You "tag" a message with a hashtag by including it somewhere in the subject line of the message. For example:

  • My name is Mark #intro
  • Seeking #advice for a #rosebush with blackened leaves

Hashtags already in use in the group can be applied to a message by selecting from the "Add Tags" dropdown menu that appears below the subject line. Or, they can simply be typed into the subject line. Typing a hashtag into a subject line will create a new hashtag for the group if it did not exist before. A new hashtag can also be created by clicking on "Create Hashtag" at the bottom of the hashtag list.

A hashtag has an effect only if placed on the first message in a topic, and will be applied to all messages within the topic. (Note that although it is possible to add a hashtag to the subject of an emailed reply by editing the subject, this has no effect; the hashtag will be included in the subject line for members receiving messages via email, but will not be included in the subject line of the archived message or of any other messages within the topic.)

There is a limit of five hashtags per topic.

Display of hashtags in the group archive

To make hashtags stand out better in the archive, any hashtags placed at the beginning or middle (rather than at the end) of a message’s subject will be duplicated at the end of the subject, using whatever background color was chosen for the hashtag. Thus, the subject of the message in the second example above would be displayed in the archive as

  • Seeking #advice for a #rosebush with blackened leaves #advice #rosebush

Uses of hashtags

Hashtags have several uses within groups.io, including searching and controlling certain behaviors of topics and messages.

Searching: Hashtags can be searched on to easily find all messages tagged with it. If a group uses a hashtag called #intro for new member introductions, for example, then clicking on it in the hashtag list will produce all messages in which new group members have introduced themselves.

Muting: Group members who read their messages via email can click on "Mute" for any hashtag at the bottom of the email to stop receiving messages tagged with that hashtag. (Note: hashtags set to "Special" cannot be muted. See below.)

Automatic time-out: If a hashtag’s Topic Duration is set, topics tagged with it will be deleted (or, if specified, locked) after that period of time. This can be a useful feature when a topic will be obsolete after a certain amount of time, for example messages about items for sale.

Special notices: If a hashtag is set to Special, all messages tagged with it, including the original message in the topic and all replies, will be sent as Special Notices. Note: hashtags set to Special cannot be muted. Also, only moderators and owners can send Special Notices. If a normal subscriber replies, their message will be sent as a normal message.

No Email: If a hashtag is set to No Email, all messages tagged with it will be posted to the web but not sent out as emails.

Moderated: If a hashtag is set to Moderated, messages sent to topics tagged with it will require approval by a moderator.

Replies Unmoderated: If a hashtag is set to Replies Unmoderated, messages in reply to topics tagged with it will be unmoderated, even if members who reply are moderated or the group itself is moderated.

Locked: If a hashtag is set to Locked, topics tagged with it will be locked upon creation.

Reply to: Setting the Reply to to something other than "Same as group" will override the group's reply to setting. Note: If a hashtag is set to Reply Only To Sender, all responses will go privately to the sender and not to the group; this setting overrides the group setting "Remove Other Reply Options" in a group set to Reply to Sender.

Controlling use and creation of hashtags

Use by moderators only: A hashtag set to Use by Mods Only can be applied to messages only by moderators. This can be useful for sending administrative notices, for example. Such hashtags will appear in the Add Tags dropdown only if a moderator is creating the message.

A hashtag set to Use by Mods Only can be further set to Replies by Mods Only so that only moderators may reply to the message.

Requiring hashtags: In a group set to Hashtags Required, all messages sent to a group must be tagged with at least one hashtag.

Creating hashtags: In a group set to Only Moderators Can Create Hashtags, only moderators will be able to create new hashtags.

 

Re: Trial #Poland

Hank Mishkoff
 

I get a daily digest, and when I open a discussion I see all the notes arranged in chronological order, which means that I have to scroll through all the old notes before I see the new ones. Is that by design? Is there some kind of configuration setting I can change?

Re: Visit JewishGen’s New Website!

juliana.berland@...
 

Hello all. A few comments about the new site as it is still being tested & developed:

On the page https://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen/Who.html, the first sentence has a typo
"JewishGen serves as-as the global home..." (I didn't check elsewhere, this was just a chance sighting.)

The footer on the new design (for pages such as https://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen/Testimonials/) needs work -- it shows too many copyright dates, lists the Wordpress back-end information in 2 different places, & Richard Baum's name is not capitalized.

regards,
Juliana Berland


On 31/07/2019 18:09, Nancy Siegel wrote:
JewishGen is pleased to announce our newly designed website at
www.JewishGen.org. We commissioned the creation of a new landing page to serve as a launching point for the main components of the website. The site is built on a modern, secure platform, which is beneficial for a number of reasons, including: 
  • It has a more intuitive and user-friendly design,

  • It is mobile-responsive, and

  • It has a more familiar platform, which will make it easier for us to find qualified consultants, contractors and volunteers to help us in the future. 


This is not the final plan. It’s a stop-gap redesign that addresses some of the shortcomings of our website by creating a visually appealing, mobile-friendly, and easy to navigate homepage that researchers can utilize to find key components on the JewishGen site. While we attracted approximately one million unique visitors to the JewishGen site last year, only a small portion of this group actually registered or became regular users. We anticipate that an enhanced website will improve these results.


Specifically, we hope the new landing page will help guide researchers to:

  • Search the online collection 

  • Locate ancestral communities 

  • Explore life in their ancestral communities 

  • Join our discussion groups

  • Volunteer, and

  • Donate.


Over the next two months, we will begin crafting a proper technology strategy,  which will include our website and databases. In the meantime, however, this new landing page will immediately help researchers, while also demonstrating JewishGen's strategic focus.


Thank you to everyone on our staff and volunteer leadership team for their suggestions and contributions to making this happen. Special thanks to Scott Seidenstock, Gary Sandler, and Warren Blatt.


Please enjoy the site and visit www.JewishGen.org now. Feedback and suggestions will be most welcome!


Nancy Siegel

Communications Coordinator 

JewishGen.org



Testing the #Hashtags Function #Belarus

Rachel Kolokoff Hopper <r-hopper@...>
 

Testing to see if the hashtag function works.