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THIEBEN, ABELES,LEDERER, KOHNER, KLAUBER, BONDY, SINEK, FLUSS, STIEDRY #austria-czech

Harvey Finberg <hjfinberg@...>
 

To introduce myself, I am Vera Finberg >from Fairfax, Virginia,
USA. I've been interested in genealogy since I was 8 years old and
my mother drew a family tree. I did some genealogy in the 1960's and
then dropped it to raise two children. In the early 1990's, I
discovered the joys of computer genealogy programs and have been
active ever since.

My mother's family all comes >from Bohemia. On her maternal side,
Mendel THIEBEN, my 5th ggrandfather, and his wife Anna FLUSSER are
listed in the 1793 census for the Slabce estate in the village of
Svinarov. My gggrandfather, Viktor (1825-1915) had a farm in Rousinov
(Rausinov), 3 km away. Viktor first married Sophie ABELES >from
Luchovice, daughter of Jacob ABELES and Katherine LEDERER of
Busovice. They had 5 children including my ggrandfather Heinrich
(1856-1942). After Sophie's death (abt 1870), he married Emilie
LOWENSTEIN (probably >from Tuschkau (Mesto Touskov or Kozolupy). They
moved to Austria where several children were born in villages near
Bruck a.d. Leitha. He then moved to Buscu in the Burgenland (now in
Hungary). I have now found two of Sophie's siblings in the Vienna
marriages for the 1870's, so Viktor may have migrated with kin. My
ggrandfather, Heinrich, married Marie KOHNER (1864-1931) born in
Budapest, daughter of Pauline KLAUBER and Ludwig (Lajos) KOHNER both
from Neumark (Vseruby)). Ludwig must have been related to the
Zsigmund Kohner, the Hungarian banker, as he was a witness to the
birth of a child to Zsigmund's brother. The family moved to Vienna
and Budapest in the late 1800's and many survived. I was fortunate to
obtain a family tree that was probably drawn to meet Hungarian Nazi
requirements.

My mother's paternal family, BONDY, comes >from Lipnice/Dolni Mesto,
near Humpolec. My gggrandfather, Simon Bondy married Sara SINEK
(SYNEK) >from Mlada Vozice. They lived in Votice for a while and then
moved to Dolni Mesto. Simon had no Familanten number and the civil
marriage is recorded in 1849. My ggrandfather, Lazar SYNEK
(1833-1906), married Karoline FLUSS(1845-1932) >from Pribyslau. Her
parents, David FLUSS and Elizabeth STIEDRY were >from Goltsch-Jenikau.
The family moved to Vienna about 1875 and Lazar officially took the
name BONDY in 1905. Vienna (wills, probate documents, birth,
marriages death and military records have been instrumental in
learning about the family. I have written a book about my BONDY
family, which is not so far related to several other Bondy families.

Vera Finberg
Fairfax, Virginia, USA
THIEBEN, - Svinarov, Rousinov, Budapest
ABELES - Luchovice
LEDERER - Busovice
KOHNER, KLAUBER - Vseruby, Budapest, Vienna
BONDY, - Lipnice/Dolni Mesto, Vienna
SINEK - Mlada Vozice, FLUSS - Pribyslau, STIEDRY - Goltsch-Jenikau


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech THIEBEN, ABELES,LEDERER, KOHNER, KLAUBER, BONDY, SINEK, FLUSS, STIEDRY #austria-czech

Harvey Finberg <hjfinberg@...>
 

To introduce myself, I am Vera Finberg >from Fairfax, Virginia,
USA. I've been interested in genealogy since I was 8 years old and
my mother drew a family tree. I did some genealogy in the 1960's and
then dropped it to raise two children. In the early 1990's, I
discovered the joys of computer genealogy programs and have been
active ever since.

My mother's family all comes >from Bohemia. On her maternal side,
Mendel THIEBEN, my 5th ggrandfather, and his wife Anna FLUSSER are
listed in the 1793 census for the Slabce estate in the village of
Svinarov. My gggrandfather, Viktor (1825-1915) had a farm in Rousinov
(Rausinov), 3 km away. Viktor first married Sophie ABELES >from
Luchovice, daughter of Jacob ABELES and Katherine LEDERER of
Busovice. They had 5 children including my ggrandfather Heinrich
(1856-1942). After Sophie's death (abt 1870), he married Emilie
LOWENSTEIN (probably >from Tuschkau (Mesto Touskov or Kozolupy). They
moved to Austria where several children were born in villages near
Bruck a.d. Leitha. He then moved to Buscu in the Burgenland (now in
Hungary). I have now found two of Sophie's siblings in the Vienna
marriages for the 1870's, so Viktor may have migrated with kin. My
ggrandfather, Heinrich, married Marie KOHNER (1864-1931) born in
Budapest, daughter of Pauline KLAUBER and Ludwig (Lajos) KOHNER both
from Neumark (Vseruby)). Ludwig must have been related to the
Zsigmund Kohner, the Hungarian banker, as he was a witness to the
birth of a child to Zsigmund's brother. The family moved to Vienna
and Budapest in the late 1800's and many survived. I was fortunate to
obtain a family tree that was probably drawn to meet Hungarian Nazi
requirements.

My mother's paternal family, BONDY, comes >from Lipnice/Dolni Mesto,
near Humpolec. My gggrandfather, Simon Bondy married Sara SINEK
(SYNEK) >from Mlada Vozice. They lived in Votice for a while and then
moved to Dolni Mesto. Simon had no Familanten number and the civil
marriage is recorded in 1849. My ggrandfather, Lazar SYNEK
(1833-1906), married Karoline FLUSS(1845-1932) >from Pribyslau. Her
parents, David FLUSS and Elizabeth STIEDRY were >from Goltsch-Jenikau.
The family moved to Vienna about 1875 and Lazar officially took the
name BONDY in 1905. Vienna (wills, probate documents, birth,
marriages death and military records have been instrumental in
learning about the family. I have written a book about my BONDY
family, which is not so far related to several other Bondy families.

Vera Finberg
Fairfax, Virginia, USA
THIEBEN, - Svinarov, Rousinov, Budapest
ABELES - Luchovice
LEDERER - Busovice
KOHNER, KLAUBER - Vseruby, Budapest, Vienna
BONDY, - Lipnice/Dolni Mesto, Vienna
SINEK - Mlada Vozice, FLUSS - Pribyslau, STIEDRY - Goltsch-Jenikau


Introduction: ARZT in Vienna #austria-czech

Albert Braunstein <sbr@...>
 

I am researching my ARZT ancestors who were living in Vienna.
Shaje Moses ARZT was born in Jaroslaw and died in Vienna in 1936 aged 68
years.
He was married to Rosa Rechel Klepner.
I believe they moved to Vienna during the early 20th century.

Albert Braunstein
Melbourne, Australia


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Introduction: ARZT in Vienna #austria-czech

Albert Braunstein <sbr@...>
 

I am researching my ARZT ancestors who were living in Vienna.
Shaje Moses ARZT was born in Jaroslaw and died in Vienna in 1936 aged 68
years.
He was married to Rosa Rechel Klepner.
I believe they moved to Vienna during the early 20th century.

Albert Braunstein
Melbourne, Australia


Re: Salzburg synagogue #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Elisabeth Segal asks us about the fate of the synagogue in Salzburg.
First, thank you very much Elisabeth for your kind words about my research.

re the Salzburg synagogue; Read this chilling account:

Evan Burr Bukey. Hitler's Austria: Popular Sentiment in the Nazi Era
1938-1945. Chapel Hill, North Carolina: University of North Carolina Press,
2000. xvi + 320 pp. Tables, maps, bibliography and index. $39.95 (cloth),
ISBN 0-8078-2516-6.

http://tinyurl.com/dsavg

.. a prelude to what would occur in Vienna and in Austria's provincial
cities during the Krystallnacht. ... November 9-10, a nightmare period not
easily matched in previous European history, include 267 synagogues
destroyed, 7500 businesses and homes devastated, 91 Jews murdered, and
26,000 Jews rounded up. True, "Outside [Vienna] so little Jewish property
remained to pillage or expropriate that the pogrom was limited by the
success of previous purges,"(p.144).

and in German here: http://www.ikg-salzburg.at

The Salzburg synagogue was destroyed and the cemetery was desecrated. The
"Gotteshaus" had to be sold to the Salzburg Police at a knockdown price of
20,000 Reichsmark. The money of course disappeared >from the bank account.

In 1968 the synagogue was reopened. You can also see pictures of the
original, the destroyed and both the exterior and interior of the restored
synagogue.

And you can read here:

http://www2.salzburg.info/sehenswertes_176.htm

that today, Salzburg’s Jewish Community consists of ca 100 people. The
synagogue at Lasserstrasse 8 is still the religious centre. Services are
held on all holidays as well as Friday nights and Saturday mornings:

Israelitische Kultusgemeinde Salzburg
Lasserstrasse 8
tel. 43/662/87 22 28
office@ikg-salzburg.at

Celia Male [U.K.]


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: Salzburg synagogue #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Elisabeth Segal asks us about the fate of the synagogue in Salzburg.
First, thank you very much Elisabeth for your kind words about my research.

re the Salzburg synagogue; Read this chilling account:

Evan Burr Bukey. Hitler's Austria: Popular Sentiment in the Nazi Era
1938-1945. Chapel Hill, North Carolina: University of North Carolina Press,
2000. xvi + 320 pp. Tables, maps, bibliography and index. $39.95 (cloth),
ISBN 0-8078-2516-6.

http://tinyurl.com/dsavg

.. a prelude to what would occur in Vienna and in Austria's provincial
cities during the Krystallnacht. ... November 9-10, a nightmare period not
easily matched in previous European history, include 267 synagogues
destroyed, 7500 businesses and homes devastated, 91 Jews murdered, and
26,000 Jews rounded up. True, "Outside [Vienna] so little Jewish property
remained to pillage or expropriate that the pogrom was limited by the
success of previous purges,"(p.144).

and in German here: http://www.ikg-salzburg.at

The Salzburg synagogue was destroyed and the cemetery was desecrated. The
"Gotteshaus" had to be sold to the Salzburg Police at a knockdown price of
20,000 Reichsmark. The money of course disappeared >from the bank account.

In 1968 the synagogue was reopened. You can also see pictures of the
original, the destroyed and both the exterior and interior of the restored
synagogue.

And you can read here:

http://www2.salzburg.info/sehenswertes_176.htm

that today, Salzburg’s Jewish Community consists of ca 100 people. The
synagogue at Lasserstrasse 8 is still the religious centre. Services are
held on all holidays as well as Friday nights and Saturday mornings:

Israelitische Kultusgemeinde Salzburg
Lasserstrasse 8
tel. 43/662/87 22 28
office@ikg-salzburg.at

Celia Male [U.K.]


Re: Were cousin marriages legal in NY in 1909? #general

Lisa Lepore <llepore@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Silverstone" <paulh2@rcn.com>

In 1921 my father's cousin married his niece. They could not do so in
NY as such marriages were illegal, so they went to Rhode Island.
Paul Silverstone
Hi Paul -

I thought RI was among the more restrictive states, so I was surprised
by your message. But, I went on a hunt and found the marriages
laws of RI at this site.
http://www.rilin.state.ri.us/Statutes/TITLE15/INDEX.HTM

TITLE 15
Domestic Relations
CHAPTER 15-1
Persons Eligible to Marry
SECTION 15-1-1

While the law does prohibit a man >from marrying his niece [see list
of prohibited marriages at site above] There is an exemption for
for any "marriages of kindred" allowed by Jewish religion in Section
15-1-4 of the Domestic Relations laws.

TITLE 15
Domestic Relations
CHAPTER 15-1
Persons Eligible to Marry
SECTION 15-1-4

15-1-4 Marriages of kindred allowed by Jewish religion. - The
provisions of 15-1-1 - 15-1-3 shall not extend to, or in any way
affect, any marriage which shall be solemnized among the Jewish
people, within the degrees of affinity or consanguinity allowed by
their religion.

I wasn't able to find out when this law was written, but it must have
been in place back in 1921.

Lisa


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Were cousin marriages legal in NY in 1909? #general

Lisa Lepore <llepore@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Silverstone" <paulh2@rcn.com>

In 1921 my father's cousin married his niece. They could not do so in
NY as such marriages were illegal, so they went to Rhode Island.
Paul Silverstone
Hi Paul -

I thought RI was among the more restrictive states, so I was surprised
by your message. But, I went on a hunt and found the marriages
laws of RI at this site.
http://www.rilin.state.ri.us/Statutes/TITLE15/INDEX.HTM

TITLE 15
Domestic Relations
CHAPTER 15-1
Persons Eligible to Marry
SECTION 15-1-1

While the law does prohibit a man >from marrying his niece [see list
of prohibited marriages at site above] There is an exemption for
for any "marriages of kindred" allowed by Jewish religion in Section
15-1-4 of the Domestic Relations laws.

TITLE 15
Domestic Relations
CHAPTER 15-1
Persons Eligible to Marry
SECTION 15-1-4

15-1-4 Marriages of kindred allowed by Jewish religion. - The
provisions of 15-1-1 - 15-1-3 shall not extend to, or in any way
affect, any marriage which shall be solemnized among the Jewish
people, within the degrees of affinity or consanguinity allowed by
their religion.

I wasn't able to find out when this law was written, but it must have
been in place back in 1921.

Lisa


Re: Good family tree site #southafrica

Gary Blumsohn
 

The Krotman site is highly problematic, for a number of reasons, both
practical and ethical. Here are a couple (not an exhaustive list) of
issues:

1) Data that I put together was forwarded to the site-owner by someone to
whom I had sent a copy of the tree that I put together. The information was
then put on the web, with a number of errors. There are thus known errors
in the information on the web -- information found there cannot be trusted.
When I pointed this out to the site-owner, he offered to correct the errors,
but since the information was sent without my permission, and added to the
site without my permission, I have no intention of sending a list of
corrections. Suffice it to say that if the data isn't being checked as it's
put in (and if the site owner isn't keeping track of which information comes
from what source - as he claimed when I asked who had submitted the data),
there's a real problem.

2) People's personal information is being added to the site without their
permission. I asked to have my name deleted >from the website a couple of
months ago. It has not been done. I know that I am not the only one in
this situation. People living in the US and in Israel, where anti-semitism
is generally not something that we worry about daily, need to be aware that
Jews living in other countries may not be so fortunate, and may not want a
Google search of their name to turn up an extensive Jewish family tree.
Putting this sort of information on the web without the express permission
of at least those people who are living (and, by the way, the Krotman site
has some incorrect information about who is alive and who is not) may cause
unncessary problems for those involved.


Gary Blumsohn
West Orange, NJ
USA


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Re: Good family tree site #southafrica

Gary Blumsohn
 

The Krotman site is highly problematic, for a number of reasons, both
practical and ethical. Here are a couple (not an exhaustive list) of
issues:

1) Data that I put together was forwarded to the site-owner by someone to
whom I had sent a copy of the tree that I put together. The information was
then put on the web, with a number of errors. There are thus known errors
in the information on the web -- information found there cannot be trusted.
When I pointed this out to the site-owner, he offered to correct the errors,
but since the information was sent without my permission, and added to the
site without my permission, I have no intention of sending a list of
corrections. Suffice it to say that if the data isn't being checked as it's
put in (and if the site owner isn't keeping track of which information comes
from what source - as he claimed when I asked who had submitted the data),
there's a real problem.

2) People's personal information is being added to the site without their
permission. I asked to have my name deleted >from the website a couple of
months ago. It has not been done. I know that I am not the only one in
this situation. People living in the US and in Israel, where anti-semitism
is generally not something that we worry about daily, need to be aware that
Jews living in other countries may not be so fortunate, and may not want a
Google search of their name to turn up an extensive Jewish family tree.
Putting this sort of information on the web without the express permission
of at least those people who are living (and, by the way, the Krotman site
has some incorrect information about who is alive and who is not) may cause
unncessary problems for those involved.


Gary Blumsohn
West Orange, NJ
USA


Mandatory Citizenship - update #general

Israel P
 

Following my post a couple of weeks ago advising that the Israel National
Archives is limiting access to Mandatory Citizenship files to pre-1935,
they told me today that this new policy is on hold until further notice.
That means that for now, we can continue ordering copies of these files,
provided we know the file numbers.

Israel Pickholtz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Mandatory Citizenship - update #general

Israel P
 

Following my post a couple of weeks ago advising that the Israel National
Archives is limiting access to Mandatory Citizenship files to pre-1935,
they told me today that this new policy is on hold until further notice.
That means that for now, we can continue ordering copies of these files,
provided we know the file numbers.

Israel Pickholtz


A new project / untapped resource ?? #general

jay Lenefsky <hotdog@...>
 

Dear One and All:

There is an untapped resource hanging around out there.

I am talking about memorial plaques hanging on the walls in the synagogues.
Especially older ones where first and second generation immigrants had a plaque
made of their loved one who died in Europe.

So what do you think??

All the best,

Jay Lenefsky -Israel
Researching :
LINEVSKY -Belarus ALEXANDER (Cohens) - Belarus
LURIA - Belarus KUTSCHER -Galicia
MAHL - Galicia GELB (Cohens) - Lwow
KLAZ - Vilna BERKOWITZ- Ilya

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen A new project / untapped resource ?? #general

jay Lenefsky <hotdog@...>
 

Dear One and All:

There is an untapped resource hanging around out there.

I am talking about memorial plaques hanging on the walls in the synagogues.
Especially older ones where first and second generation immigrants had a plaque
made of their loved one who died in Europe.

So what do you think??

All the best,

Jay Lenefsky -Israel
Researching :
LINEVSKY -Belarus ALEXANDER (Cohens) - Belarus
LURIA - Belarus KUTSCHER -Galicia
MAHL - Galicia GELB (Cohens) - Lwow
KLAZ - Vilna BERKOWITZ- Ilya

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately to Jay Lenefsky. JewishGen has
no staff to undertake or coordinate research projects. We do, however, have
detailed standards for databases that must be followed if a database is to
be placed on the JewishGen site. Anyone contemplating starting a database
project is urged to consult the standards, which can be found at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/$description.html
Once a project has been approved, posts asking for volunteers to help
with the project will be permitted. We cannot post requests for volunteers
for unapproved projects.


Re: Zrenjanin #hungary

Ted Grossman <tgrossman@...>
 

Please keep me posted about this. My grandparents and father lived in
what was then Nagy Beckerek during World War I, where my grandfather was
a chaplain, and my grandparents served kosher food to the soldiers.
Ted Grossman
Eastsound, Washington

On Jul 29, 2005, at 8:52 AM, peter bakos wrote:

Hello >from Budapest.

I have been in touch with a person >from a Serbian Genealogy group (I
am new to it aned do not know much about what goes on in Serbia,
genealogy wise) who informed me that the Jewish community in Serbia
keep their own documents. Is this true? Does any one know about
Jewish Registers for Zrenjanin (Nagy Beckerek), or Yasi Tomic (Modos)?
Please let me know before I go there for no apparent reason.

Peter Bakos


Translation help requested #hungary

Cory Streisinger <corystr@...>
 

I recently found a web reference to Streisinger Erno - this was the name of
my great-uncle and I am trying to find whether the web page refers to him.
The web page is at http://www.nol.hu/framed/6801/
and the reference is in the fourth paragraph. I would appreciate a rough
translation. Thanks for the help.

Cory Streisinger
Portland, Oregon
corys@att.net


Re: finding out where someone is buried #general

sivin@aol.com <sivin@...>
 

Hi,
In the New York City deaths I've researched, the place of burial is
listed on the death certificate. I will then go to the New York City
Archives site and follow the links to the deaths where I can order a
certificate for about $12.00.

Also, for New York City deaths you might try the Italian Genalogical
Group. They have an excellent database which is not limited to Italians
by any means. You can find the certificate number there and date of
death, if you didn't have it before.

Regards,
H. Baldwin
Rocklin, CA


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Zrenjanin #hungary

Ted Grossman <tgrossman@...>
 

Please keep me posted about this. My grandparents and father lived in
what was then Nagy Beckerek during World War I, where my grandfather was
a chaplain, and my grandparents served kosher food to the soldiers.
Ted Grossman
Eastsound, Washington

On Jul 29, 2005, at 8:52 AM, peter bakos wrote:

Hello >from Budapest.

I have been in touch with a person >from a Serbian Genealogy group (I
am new to it aned do not know much about what goes on in Serbia,
genealogy wise) who informed me that the Jewish community in Serbia
keep their own documents. Is this true? Does any one know about
Jewish Registers for Zrenjanin (Nagy Beckerek), or Yasi Tomic (Modos)?
Please let me know before I go there for no apparent reason.

Peter Bakos


Hungary SIG #Hungary Translation help requested #hungary

Cory Streisinger <corystr@...>
 

I recently found a web reference to Streisinger Erno - this was the name of
my great-uncle and I am trying to find whether the web page refers to him.
The web page is at http://www.nol.hu/framed/6801/
and the reference is in the fourth paragraph. I would appreciate a rough
translation. Thanks for the help.

Cory Streisinger
Portland, Oregon
corys@att.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: finding out where someone is buried #general

sivin@aol.com <sivin@...>
 

Hi,
In the New York City deaths I've researched, the place of burial is
listed on the death certificate. I will then go to the New York City
Archives site and follow the links to the deaths where I can order a
certificate for about $12.00.

Also, for New York City deaths you might try the Italian Genalogical
Group. They have an excellent database which is not limited to Italians
by any means. You can find the certificate number there and date of
death, if you didn't have it before.

Regards,
H. Baldwin
Rocklin, CA