Robert,

The total number of 900 books will be up for sale in
the coming fortnight, the book costs HUF 2760 (appr.
USD 14). 279 pages in Hungarian, an English
translation is being considered right now. Once I have
it in my hands, I will be able to give you further
details.

Best regards,

Andras Koltai
Budapest, Hungary


Subject: Re: Jews in Eger
From: Robert Neu <roneu1@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 00:12:43 -0800 (PST)
X-Message-Number: 5

Hi,
In order to answer as to whether we are interested in
this work, could you indicate what period does the
book cover and in what language it is written?
Thanks
Robert Neu

Moderator: Please contact Andras off-list for further information.

Dear "translator" --

I have a small history of the Jewish community of Hanusovce nad Toplou
(the birthplace of my gggf)which I would like to have translated. It is
in two files:

VM 7400
VM 7401

To view the files please go to:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html

and please send the translation to directly to me, not to H-Sig.

Thanks so very much,

Marian Brown
Cincinnati, OH

Robert,

The total number of 900 books will be up for sale in
the coming fortnight, the book costs HUF 2760 (appr.
USD 14). 279 pages in Hungarian, an English
translation is being considered right now. Once I have
it in my hands, I will be able to give you further
details.

Best regards,

Andras Koltai
Budapest, Hungary


Subject: Re: Jews in Eger
From: Robert Neu <roneu1@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 00:12:43 -0800 (PST)
X-Message-Number: 5

Hi,
In order to answer as to whether we are interested in
this work, could you indicate what period does the
book cover and in what language it is written?
Thanks
Robert Neu

Moderator: Please contact Andras off-list for further information.

Dear "translator" --

I have a small history of the Jewish community of Hanusovce nad Toplou
(the birthplace of my gggf)which I would like to have translated. It is
in two files:

VM 7400
VM 7401

To view the files please go to:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html

and please send the translation to directly to me, not to H-Sig.

Thanks so very much,

Marian Brown
Cincinnati, OH

Hello all,
Still seeking info on ancestors/descendants of my Great =
grandparents:
GGF -John Hoffer (b. 1875) Switzerland/Austria=20
Death approx 1930, >from collapsed lung while working in a Sugar House.=20
{His father; my GGGF- Joseph Hoffer (b.???) Married to ?????}
GGM - Elizabeth Koesis/Erzsebet Kocsis (b.1888) Budapest, Hungary. Her =
parents were Hungarian Magyars. She married John Hoffer at 16 years old. =

She died approx 1972 of a stomach tumor.
Elizabeth and John were both still Aliens in 1920 living in New York.
Children of John and Elizabeth:=20
John (b 1915), Joseph,(b?) Mike (b 1916)
Andrew (twin b 1918), Anna (twin b 1918)
Mary (b 1910), Susan (b 1912) and my grandmother:
Irene,(b approx 1921).=20
Also born were several children that died at young ages, one was Steven. =

Cousins are: Dobronski/Dumbroskie and it is possible that one may be still living in NY.

Needless to say, I know both of my great grandparents were Hungarian Jews >from Budapest and Austria/Switzerland, "exactly where" in those =
regions is unknown. I am still trying to piece together information on them and their parents through Ellis Island passenger/arrival lists and =
ship records (where some writing can be very hard to decipher). Family lore claims that the Hoffer ancestors escaped the Nazi regime and =
concentration camps. I have been told that the family converted to Catholicism because the "schools" were better during that time. However, =
it is an understandable question of why my ancestors chose to switch to Catholicism. My innate interest is in the celebration and the tradition =
of the Jewish faith. I have always been Proud of my Jewish heritage especially since being aware that it is only the girls who can pass the =
religion onto their children and so on.

I obtained very useful information >from my cousin Dennis (Susan's son) who was about 8 or 9 when my GGM Elizabeth died. He had previously done =
some research and was able to provide me with crucial dates and names of my Hoffer Aunt's and Uncle's descendants, including birthdates, =
marriages, and children that were born! What a difference a date can make in this sort of research, and of course the compilation and cross =
referencing can be mind boggling and there is much work to be done. I will be adding the pertinent info to my family tree when time allows.

I have not been able to go any further in my Hoffer research of my GGF's parents. I understand that many first given names were carried =
down >from generation to generation. Does that include female names? If so, I found alot on Stevemorse.org and Ellis Island websites for =
possible relatives of my GGM Elizabeth/Erzsebet Koesis. Can anyone assist me in making connection between them?
Elizabeth/Erzsebet Koesis, (b 1851) (GGGM?) >from Bistl Kis Falva =
Hungary, Arriving at Ellis Island Sept. 1921, visiting son George.
Andras Koesis (b 1880)
Anna Koesis (b. 1866) and Erzebet Koesis (b 1868) both Arrived July 21, =
1892
Janos and Anna (married or siblings???) July, 1902 age 43

It has been difficult in pinpointing what area of Budapest they(Hoffer/Koesis) may have lived in before coming to America so I am =
at a standstill. Can anyone assist me in finding Birth/Marriage Records, locations, or Hungarian Census Information?=20

I also need help finding a member who has posted a response on Jan 15, 2006 to my original posting . I received a message board notification =
that a reply was posted by the author: William, with a Subject line: Reply Urgent. This is exciting, yet I am dismayed for I'm having =
difficulty pulling up what he wrote to my original post, therefore I am unable to respond to him.
<snip>

Any assistance or information on any of the above would be greatly =
appreciated.

Thank you. Michele Talerico Renaud, NY, USA
michelerenee217@suscom.net

Moderator: The link to a well-known commercial genealogical service has been deleted. As we have mentioned before, it makes it much easier for others to help your research if you indicate what sources you have already consulted starting with the resources that are available on-line at JewishGen including the JewishGen Family Finder and the All-Hungary Database. You can find additional data at the Hungarian SIG website http://www.jewishgen.org/Hungary/

Hello all,
Still seeking info on ancestors/descendants of my Great =
grandparents:
GGF -John Hoffer (b. 1875) Switzerland/Austria=20
Death approx 1930, >from collapsed lung while working in a Sugar House.=20
{His father; my GGGF- Joseph Hoffer (b.???) Married to ?????}
GGM - Elizabeth Koesis/Erzsebet Kocsis (b.1888) Budapest, Hungary. Her =
parents were Hungarian Magyars. She married John Hoffer at 16 years old. =

She died approx 1972 of a stomach tumor.
Elizabeth and John were both still Aliens in 1920 living in New York.
Children of John and Elizabeth:=20
John (b 1915), Joseph,(b?) Mike (b 1916)
Andrew (twin b 1918), Anna (twin b 1918)
Mary (b 1910), Susan (b 1912) and my grandmother:
Irene,(b approx 1921).=20
Also born were several children that died at young ages, one was Steven. =

Cousins are: Dobronski/Dumbroskie and it is possible that one may be still living in NY.

Needless to say, I know both of my great grandparents were Hungarian Jews >from Budapest and Austria/Switzerland, "exactly where" in those =
regions is unknown. I am still trying to piece together information on them and their parents through Ellis Island passenger/arrival lists and =
ship records (where some writing can be very hard to decipher). Family lore claims that the Hoffer ancestors escaped the Nazi regime and =
concentration camps. I have been told that the family converted to Catholicism because the "schools" were better during that time. However, =
it is an understandable question of why my ancestors chose to switch to Catholicism. My innate interest is in the celebration and the tradition =
of the Jewish faith. I have always been Proud of my Jewish heritage especially since being aware that it is only the girls who can pass the =
religion onto their children and so on.

I obtained very useful information >from my cousin Dennis (Susan's son) who was about 8 or 9 when my GGM Elizabeth died. He had previously done =
some research and was able to provide me with crucial dates and names of my Hoffer Aunt's and Uncle's descendants, including birthdates, =
marriages, and children that were born! What a difference a date can make in this sort of research, and of course the compilation and cross =
referencing can be mind boggling and there is much work to be done. I will be adding the pertinent info to my family tree when time allows.

I have not been able to go any further in my Hoffer research of my GGF's parents. I understand that many first given names were carried =
down >from generation to generation. Does that include female names? If so, I found alot on Stevemorse.org and Ellis Island websites for =
possible relatives of my GGM Elizabeth/Erzsebet Koesis. Can anyone assist me in making connection between them?
Elizabeth/Erzsebet Koesis, (b 1851) (GGGM?) >from Bistl Kis Falva =
Hungary, Arriving at Ellis Island Sept. 1921, visiting son George.
Andras Koesis (b 1880)
Anna Koesis (b. 1866) and Erzebet Koesis (b 1868) both Arrived July 21, =
1892
Janos and Anna (married or siblings???) July, 1902 age 43

It has been difficult in pinpointing what area of Budapest they(Hoffer/Koesis) may have lived in before coming to America so I am =
at a standstill. Can anyone assist me in finding Birth/Marriage Records, locations, or Hungarian Census Information?=20

I also need help finding a member who has posted a response on Jan 15, 2006 to my original posting . I received a message board notification =
that a reply was posted by the author: William, with a Subject line: Reply Urgent. This is exciting, yet I am dismayed for I'm having =
difficulty pulling up what he wrote to my original post, therefore I am unable to respond to him.
<snip>

Any assistance or information on any of the above would be greatly =
appreciated.

Thank you. Michele Talerico Renaud, NY, USA
michelerenee217@suscom.net

Moderator: The link to a well-known commercial genealogical service has been deleted. As we have mentioned before, it makes it much easier for others to help your research if you indicate what sources you have already consulted starting with the resources that are available on-line at JewishGen including the JewishGen Family Finder and the All-Hungary Database. You can find additional data at the Hungarian SIG website http://www.jewishgen.org/Hungary/

There appears to be a mis-understanding about the purpose of
published death notices. In the U.S., this is a legal requirement
as claims on property, inheritance, and debt will need to be resolved.

Local law determines in which newspapers the names of the deceased
must appear. The requirements have varied over time. The announcement
of a person's death might be as simple as a list released by the
Department of Health or in a list of burial permits issued. It may also
take the form of paid notices to indicate when and where the funeral
will take place, and may include the names of heirs - the immediate
family.

Keep in mind that many Jewish community newspapers are published
weekly, not daily. Death announcements might appear in the Jewish
press well after the actual event. For that reason, it is always a good
idea to check both the major daily newspaper of the town as well as the
Jewish community newspapers.

I don't know which towns Mr. Zonder has in mind, but many U.S. cities
in the late 19th and early 20th century had vibrant Jewish communities
numbering in the thousands. The community might be a mix of Reform,
Orthodox, or Hasidic >from many nationalities - each with their own
newspapers. All of these are great resources for the family history
hunter.

regards,
Pat Weinthal
Boston, MA

Lenn Zonder wrote:

<<Published death notices in the early 20th century

from time to time, Genners seeking information on

obituaries >from the late 19th and early 20th centuries
query us about what newspaper Jewish obituaries might
have been listed in. It is just a thought on my part,
but I doubt if any American papers did list them. Jewish
communities of that time were small, rarely
more than a few square blocks. >>

There appears to be a mis-understanding about the purpose of
published death notices. In the U.S., this is a legal requirement
as claims on property, inheritance, and debt will need to be resolved.

Local law determines in which newspapers the names of the deceased
must appear. The requirements have varied over time. The announcement
of a person's death might be as simple as a list released by the
Department of Health or in a list of burial permits issued. It may also
take the form of paid notices to indicate when and where the funeral
will take place, and may include the names of heirs - the immediate
family.

Keep in mind that many Jewish community newspapers are published
weekly, not daily. Death announcements might appear in the Jewish
press well after the actual event. For that reason, it is always a good
idea to check both the major daily newspaper of the town as well as the
Jewish community newspapers.

I don't know which towns Mr. Zonder has in mind, but many U.S. cities
in the late 19th and early 20th century had vibrant Jewish communities
numbering in the thousands. The community might be a mix of Reform,
Orthodox, or Hasidic >from many nationalities - each with their own
newspapers. All of these are great resources for the family history
hunter.

regards,
Pat Weinthal
Boston, MA

Lenn Zonder wrote:

<<Published death notices in the early 20th century

from time to time, Genners seeking information on

obituaries >from the late 19th and early 20th centuries
query us about what newspaper Jewish obituaries might
have been listed in. It is just a thought on my part,
but I doubt if any American papers did list them. Jewish
communities of that time were small, rarely
more than a few square blocks. >>

The Auschwitz records mentioned by Jacob only contain names of inmates
up to and including 1943. Since the deportations >from Hungary started in
1944 it is very unlikely for members of the H-SIG looking for their
Hungarian relatives to find any relevant information in there. I tried
looking for my relatives in that database and failed.

Isaac Katz
Israel

The Auschwitz records mentioned by Jacob only contain names of inmates
up to and including 1943. Since the deportations >from Hungary started in
1944 it is very unlikely for members of the H-SIG looking for their
Hungarian relatives to find any relevant information in there. I tried
looking for my relatives in that database and failed.

Isaac Katz
Israel

I want to raise an important point in that the word "execute" means (World
Book Dictionary) "to put to death according to an order, especially
according to a sentence determined by law".

People were MURDERED at Auschwitz, NOT executed.


Dr Andrew Gal
Sydney. Australia

Moderator: Phone numbers deleted per JewishGen policy.

I want to raise an important point in that the word "execute" means (World
Book Dictionary) "to put to death according to an order, especially
according to a sentence determined by law".

People were MURDERED at Auschwitz, NOT executed.


Dr Andrew Gal
Sydney. Australia

Moderator: Phone numbers deleted per JewishGen policy.

Some years ago (probably 1995) I reported here that students at a high
school in Cologne had restored the Jewish cemetery in Mondorf (now
Niederkassel). Among my relatives buried there was Friederica
GOTTSCHALK, wife of Hirsch (Hermann) CAHN. They had 14 children.
The students also raised funds to have a new gate cast at a Cologne
studio. Alas, they could not read the gravestones.
Since then, students at the Luitspold High School (Hauptschule) planted
12 trees in the cemetery, one each for the following families:
BAR (spelled with an Umlaut)
CAHN
COSSMANN
MEYER
FRENKEL
GOTTSCHALK
HIRSCH
SCHMITZ
KAHN
LEVY
WOLFF
GOLDSTEEN
Since the first restoration efforts, 42 graves have been identified.
Most astonishing is a picture of the grave of Leopold LEVY, who was
buried in 1940 despite a Nazi ban on Jewish funerals. The villagers
buried him at niight. There is no gravestone.
Several of the extant gravestones give detailed genealogical information.

--
Stephen G. Esrati
Researching GOTTSCHALK (Orsoy Kr. Moers), HIRSCH (Berlin)

The researcher who has sent me all the material about the Mondorf
cemetery needs pictures of the synagogue destroyed by the Nazis on the
night of the pogrom in 1938. (He refuses to call it Kristalnacht.)
Can anyone recommend a source for pictures of destroyed German synagogues?
--
Stephen G. Esrati
Seeking GOTTSCHALK (Kr. Moers), HIRSCH (Berlin and Dortmund)

Some years ago (probably 1995) I reported here that students at a high
school in Cologne had restored the Jewish cemetery in Mondorf (now
Niederkassel). Among my relatives buried there was Friederica
GOTTSCHALK, wife of Hirsch (Hermann) CAHN. They had 14 children.
The students also raised funds to have a new gate cast at a Cologne
studio. Alas, they could not read the gravestones.
Since then, students at the Luitspold High School (Hauptschule) planted
12 trees in the cemetery, one each for the following families:
BAR (spelled with an Umlaut)
CAHN
COSSMANN
MEYER
FRENKEL
GOTTSCHALK
HIRSCH
SCHMITZ
KAHN
LEVY
WOLFF
GOLDSTEEN
Since the first restoration efforts, 42 graves have been identified.
Most astonishing is a picture of the grave of Leopold LEVY, who was
buried in 1940 despite a Nazi ban on Jewish funerals. The villagers
buried him at niight. There is no gravestone.
Several of the extant gravestones give detailed genealogical information.

--
Stephen G. Esrati
Researching GOTTSCHALK (Orsoy Kr. Moers), HIRSCH (Berlin)

The researcher who has sent me all the material about the Mondorf
cemetery needs pictures of the synagogue destroyed by the Nazis on the
night of the pogrom in 1938. (He refuses to call it Kristalnacht.)
Can anyone recommend a source for pictures of destroyed German synagogues?
--
Stephen G. Esrati
Seeking GOTTSCHALK (Kr. Moers), HIRSCH (Berlin and Dortmund)

I posted this already - but I realize there are some
words in Hungarian that I may not have translated well
- like "szamolni" , so I have included Istvan's
original message - perhaps it will help in determining
what the next step should be for us. Thank you.
Gizella

"Most megtudtam, hogy Kunagotan a zsido temeto a regi
temeto mellett van, amit most fel akarnak szamolni, es
vele egyutt a zsido temetot is. 25 evvel ezelott jott
valaki a zsido hitkozsegek kozponti irodajatol es
alairt egy papirt a kunagotai onkormenyzatnak, hogy ha
25 even belul nem lesz temetes, akkor fel lehet
szamolni a temetot.
Talan valaki a listan tud segitenni ezzel???"


Moderator: Most of the subscribers to this list cannot read Hungarian. Please provide a translation.

I posted this already - but I realize there are some
words in Hungarian that I may not have translated well
- like "szamolni" , so I have included Istvan's
original message - perhaps it will help in determining
what the next step should be for us. Thank you.
Gizella

"Most megtudtam, hogy Kunagotan a zsido temeto a regi
temeto mellett van, amit most fel akarnak szamolni, es
vele egyutt a zsido temetot is. 25 evvel ezelott jott
valaki a zsido hitkozsegek kozponti irodajatol es
alairt egy papirt a kunagotai onkormenyzatnak, hogy ha
25 even belul nem lesz temetes, akkor fel lehet
szamolni a temetot.
Talan valaki a listan tud segitenni ezzel???"


Moderator: Most of the subscribers to this list cannot read Hungarian. Please provide a translation.

I recently learned >from Istvan Balogh in Hungary, who
has done extensive research on the Jewish community of
Bekes megye, that the Jewish cemetery in Kunagota will
be closed. According to him, there was an agreement
with religious elders who agreed that if there were no
funerals in 25 years, the town could re-incorporate
the site.

Does anyone know what can be done to prevent this?
What do we need? I am in Los Angeles, he is in
Budapest now, but if anyone has experience with this,
I would appreciate your information. Thank you.

Gizella Czene

I recently learned >from Istvan Balogh in Hungary, who
has done extensive research on the Jewish community of
Bekes megye, that the Jewish cemetery in Kunagota will
be closed. According to him, there was an agreement
with religious elders who agreed that if there were no
funerals in 25 years, the town could re-incorporate
the site.

Does anyone know what can be done to prevent this?
What do we need? I am in Los Angeles, he is in
Budapest now, but if anyone has experience with this,
I would appreciate your information. Thank you.

Gizella Czene