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The name Marmal #poland

philapple@...
 

In response to Jeff Segal, who asked, "Is anyone familiar with the
woman's name Marmal, spelt (in Yiddish) mem aleph resh mem aleph lamed?
Could it be an equivalent of the Polish secular name Maria? It belonged
to a relative in Lublin."

Could this name somehow be linked to the marmal that is a variation of
murmel, the German word for "marble"? Both Murmelstein and Marmalstein
occur as family names. Then there is David Z. Marmal, president of the
Mrs. America and the Mrs. World beauty pageants. (By the way, Mrs. Israel
just won the Mrs. World title.)

Phillip Applebaum
Oak Park, Michigan, USA


JRI Poland #Poland The name Marmal #poland

philapple@...
 

In response to Jeff Segal, who asked, "Is anyone familiar with the
woman's name Marmal, spelt (in Yiddish) mem aleph resh mem aleph lamed?
Could it be an equivalent of the Polish secular name Maria? It belonged
to a relative in Lublin."

Could this name somehow be linked to the marmal that is a variation of
murmel, the German word for "marble"? Both Murmelstein and Marmalstein
occur as family names. Then there is David Z. Marmal, president of the
Mrs. America and the Mrs. World beauty pageants. (By the way, Mrs. Israel
just won the Mrs. World title.)

Phillip Applebaum
Oak Park, Michigan, USA


Lodz Holocaust Memorials #lodz #poland

Steven Lasky <steve725@...>
 

Greetings all,
I have some new material on my site of interest to those with an interest in
Lodz. I have begun to install web pages into my "Holocaust Memorials"
exhibition and the first two have to do with the Lodz memorials at New
Montefiore Cemetery in Pinelawn, New York. There are two society burial
plots associated with the Lodzer Young Men's Benevolent Society there and
both have memorials. Visit the exhibition and you will see photographs of
the two monuments and a complete listing of all the names inscribed on each,
presumably the names of those >from Lodz who perished in the Shoah. You can
access the exhibition through my main Lodz page at
www.museumoffamilyhistory.com/lee-lodz.htm . I hope that you find your visit
to these pages worthwhile. Also recall that on my site there is a fairly
complete listing of all those who last resided in Lodz and immigrated
through Ellis Island ("How Our Families Came to America...").
I am also looking to add photographs >from Lodz to both my main Lodz page
(modern-day photographs of the city of Lodz) and also to my "Postcards >from
Home" exhibition, i.e. family photos taken anytime before the end of WWII.
If you have any that I could display, I would be most appreciative.

Best regards,
Steven Lasky
www.museumoffamilyhistory.com


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland Lodz Holocaust Memorials #lodz #poland

Steven Lasky <steve725@...>
 

Greetings all,
I have some new material on my site of interest to those with an interest in
Lodz. I have begun to install web pages into my "Holocaust Memorials"
exhibition and the first two have to do with the Lodz memorials at New
Montefiore Cemetery in Pinelawn, New York. There are two society burial
plots associated with the Lodzer Young Men's Benevolent Society there and
both have memorials. Visit the exhibition and you will see photographs of
the two monuments and a complete listing of all the names inscribed on each,
presumably the names of those >from Lodz who perished in the Shoah. You can
access the exhibition through my main Lodz page at
www.museumoffamilyhistory.com/lee-lodz.htm . I hope that you find your visit
to these pages worthwhile. Also recall that on my site there is a fairly
complete listing of all those who last resided in Lodz and immigrated
through Ellis Island ("How Our Families Came to America...").
I am also looking to add photographs >from Lodz to both my main Lodz page
(modern-day photographs of the city of Lodz) and also to my "Postcards >from
Home" exhibition, i.e. family photos taken anytime before the end of WWII.
If you have any that I could display, I would be most appreciative.

Best regards,
Steven Lasky
www.museumoffamilyhistory.com


ancestors from Vydybor #general

Даниил Маргулис <demarg@...>
 

Hello!
Does anyone have ancestors >from the town Vydybor, Potiyevka district,
Zhitomir region?

Daniil Yevgenievitch Margulis,
Moscow, Russia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ancestors from Vydybor #general

Даниил Маргулис <demarg@...>
 

Hello!
Does anyone have ancestors >from the town Vydybor, Potiyevka district,
Zhitomir region?

Daniil Yevgenievitch Margulis,
Moscow, Russia


"Correct" way to enter main name in a tree #general

Carolyn Lea <clea@...>
 

While I know that it may be a matter of personal preference, I am also
certain there is a "correct" way to enter names in the family tree. I have
read many posts on name changes, etc, in the archives but did not find a
real answer to this. I know that women are to be entered using their maiden
name and many software programs warn against entering nicknames - suggesting
placing such names in the "alternate names" section instead.

I realize that I have been somewhat inconsistent. If a surname is changed
(legally or otherwise) should the birth name be the main entry and other
names be listed in the alternate section? This seems the correct thing to
do - however, then the name which the person may not primarily be known by
will not appear in the name index. Also, if the name was changed prior to
the birth of a child it may not appear the child is the biological child of
the father. The same is true of course going backwards if the alternate name
is the main entry. Is it appropriate to place the changed name in
parenthesis next to the birth name?

Just in my immediate family my father, Leon Schwarzbaum, began using his
stepfather's name, Mitchell abt age 10. I was born with that name. I legally
changed my name and my son's (he was abt 8) to my middle name (Lea) after my
divorce and when I was angry with my father!

I have also located a birth certificate for Esther Schwarzbaum who
apparently always used Elsie. Her sons (both in their 80s), with whom I am
in contact, never knew her name was Esther. I thought I had found a new
child! Her marriage and death certificates say Elsie.

I believe to be consistent (and what I assume is the "proper format") I
should always enter birth name if known. However, I am afraid of name
confusion when I share the tree with others.

Carolyn Lea
Ohio

Researching: SCHWARZBAUM/SCHWARTZBAUM > Posen>New York and Savannah,
Georgia ROTHSCHILD/ROTHCHILD> Prussia> Darien and Savannah, Georgia
BASCH>Prussia>Savannah, Georgia LEVISON> Prussia> Brunswick and Savannah,
Georgia OPPENHEIM > Savannah, Georgia WEINBERG > Georgia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen "Correct" way to enter main name in a tree #general

Carolyn Lea <clea@...>
 

While I know that it may be a matter of personal preference, I am also
certain there is a "correct" way to enter names in the family tree. I have
read many posts on name changes, etc, in the archives but did not find a
real answer to this. I know that women are to be entered using their maiden
name and many software programs warn against entering nicknames - suggesting
placing such names in the "alternate names" section instead.

I realize that I have been somewhat inconsistent. If a surname is changed
(legally or otherwise) should the birth name be the main entry and other
names be listed in the alternate section? This seems the correct thing to
do - however, then the name which the person may not primarily be known by
will not appear in the name index. Also, if the name was changed prior to
the birth of a child it may not appear the child is the biological child of
the father. The same is true of course going backwards if the alternate name
is the main entry. Is it appropriate to place the changed name in
parenthesis next to the birth name?

Just in my immediate family my father, Leon Schwarzbaum, began using his
stepfather's name, Mitchell abt age 10. I was born with that name. I legally
changed my name and my son's (he was abt 8) to my middle name (Lea) after my
divorce and when I was angry with my father!

I have also located a birth certificate for Esther Schwarzbaum who
apparently always used Elsie. Her sons (both in their 80s), with whom I am
in contact, never knew her name was Esther. I thought I had found a new
child! Her marriage and death certificates say Elsie.

I believe to be consistent (and what I assume is the "proper format") I
should always enter birth name if known. However, I am afraid of name
confusion when I share the tree with others.

Carolyn Lea
Ohio

Researching: SCHWARZBAUM/SCHWARTZBAUM > Posen>New York and Savannah,
Georgia ROTHSCHILD/ROTHCHILD> Prussia> Darien and Savannah, Georgia
BASCH>Prussia>Savannah, Georgia LEVISON> Prussia> Brunswick and Savannah,
Georgia OPPENHEIM > Savannah, Georgia WEINBERG > Georgia


Re: How to Research a 1905 Address #general

RENEEP8546@...
 

Sabra Waldfogel" asked
I'm looking for assistance in researching a Manhattan building address
circa 1905 (27 Pitt Street on the Lower East Side) >

The area that would have comprised 27 Pitt street is now listed as 132 Broome
and is obviously a modern building and not residential. It was built in 1972
and I think it is now a fire department. Have you tried the New York Public
Library online that has some photos of buildings,etc? The address is www.nypl.org

Cordially,
Renee Payne
Washington, DC

Searching Benhaim,Serfaty,Abecassis Marrakech Jakobowitz Sanok Weiss Ungvar


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re:How to Research a 1905 Address #general

RENEEP8546@...
 

Sabra Waldfogel" asked
I'm looking for assistance in researching a Manhattan building address
circa 1905 (27 Pitt Street on the Lower East Side) >

The area that would have comprised 27 Pitt street is now listed as 132 Broome
and is obviously a modern building and not residential. It was built in 1972
and I think it is now a fire department. Have you tried the New York Public
Library online that has some photos of buildings,etc? The address is www.nypl.org

Cordially,
Renee Payne
Washington, DC

Searching Benhaim,Serfaty,Abecassis Marrakech Jakobowitz Sanok Weiss Ungvar


Lodz Area research group (LARG) at the IAJGS Conference this summer #general

Roni S. Liebowitz
 

If you are planning to attend the 26th IAJGS International Conference on
Jewish Genealogy in New York August 13-18, 2006 and have roots in the Lodz,
Poland area, please join us at the Lodz Area Research Group (LARG) annual
meeting. See the website (listed below) for a list of the towns included in
this area. Click here to let us know you will be attending and the names you
are researching. http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/signup.htm You
will also see who else plans to be there. As soon as we have a definite
time, it will be posted.

If you plan to have a Birds of a Feather meeting for a town within LARG, I
can add that to the site with your contact information. So far, I am
planning one for Belchatow, Poland. Please let me know if you plan to
attend that as well.

Hope to see you this summer.
Roni
IAJGS Conference Registration Chair
http://www.jgsny2006.org/


[Mrs. Roni Seibel Liebowitz]
Scarsdale, New York
Lodz Area Research Group (LARG)
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/LARG.htm
Lodz ShtetLinks http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/index.htm
Belchatow ShtetLink http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/belchatow/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Lodz Area research group (LARG) at the IAJGS Conference this summer #general

Roni S. Liebowitz
 

If you are planning to attend the 26th IAJGS International Conference on
Jewish Genealogy in New York August 13-18, 2006 and have roots in the Lodz,
Poland area, please join us at the Lodz Area Research Group (LARG) annual
meeting. See the website (listed below) for a list of the towns included in
this area. Click here to let us know you will be attending and the names you
are researching. http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/signup.htm You
will also see who else plans to be there. As soon as we have a definite
time, it will be posted.

If you plan to have a Birds of a Feather meeting for a town within LARG, I
can add that to the site with your contact information. So far, I am
planning one for Belchatow, Poland. Please let me know if you plan to
attend that as well.

Hope to see you this summer.
Roni
IAJGS Conference Registration Chair
http://www.jgsny2006.org/


[Mrs. Roni Seibel Liebowitz]
Scarsdale, New York
Lodz Area Research Group (LARG)
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/LARG.htm
Lodz ShtetLinks http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Lodz/index.htm
Belchatow ShtetLink http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/belchatow/


researching pallaga #hungary

mary pallaga <mary_pallaga@...>
 

hello again , i have some more information to add to my ongoing search for
my father GYULA PALLAGA born in PUSPOKLADANY HUNGARY September 6 1926. He
left Naples Italy on board a ship called NELLY and came to Australia 1950.
he worked on the Snowy River Scheme for some years. my parents were divorced
while we were quite young and we have had no contact >from him. Idont know if
he went back to hungary or not, i believe his religion was roman catholic.
Ido not know anything of my hungarian grandparents. i have located 38
PALLAGA surnames in hungary but they seem to be a long distance >from
Puspokladany, so i do not know if they might be related to me. there is a g
pallaga listed in telephone book for budapest. if there are any other
PALLAGA surnames in hungary wishing to get in contact i would greatly
appreciate it. thank you marianne pallaga


Hungary SIG #Hungary researching pallaga #hungary

mary pallaga <mary_pallaga@...>
 

hello again , i have some more information to add to my ongoing search for
my father GYULA PALLAGA born in PUSPOKLADANY HUNGARY September 6 1926. He
left Naples Italy on board a ship called NELLY and came to Australia 1950.
he worked on the Snowy River Scheme for some years. my parents were divorced
while we were quite young and we have had no contact >from him. Idont know if
he went back to hungary or not, i believe his religion was roman catholic.
Ido not know anything of my hungarian grandparents. i have located 38
PALLAGA surnames in hungary but they seem to be a long distance >from
Puspokladany, so i do not know if they might be related to me. there is a g
pallaga listed in telephone book for budapest. if there are any other
PALLAGA surnames in hungary wishing to get in contact i would greatly
appreciate it. thank you marianne pallaga


Re: Yorkville - Kirsch #hungary

jps
 

Ethel,

I read your posting with interest as I also have some Kirsch's in my
tree >from the Bronx. The two first names (Annie and Rose) are even
matches. Unfortunatly I have no information newer than the 1930 census.

Solomon Kirsch b Abt March 1863 - Russia?
married about 1887 -
Lena Przeworski b Abt 1868 - Austria/Hungary/Galicia? -

They had :
Joe Kirsch - b Abt 1888
Rose Kirsch - b Abt 1892
Annie Kirsch - b Abt 1907

Also possibly a Muriel - but that may have been the same person as Annie
as I haven't found her on any of the census

Rose was a Bookkeeper - per 1910 and 1930 census'
Solomon and Joe worked in a Grocery per 1910 census'
Annie was a Stenographer in 1930

Anyway, here's hoping there is a connection of some sort.

John Segedy


Subject: Re: Yorkville
From: ethel jean saltz <nietgal@yahoo.com> <mailto:nietgal@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 00:25:58 -0800 (PST)
X-Message-Number: 2

This info is very helpful. I know my father was born in Hungary and I have documentation about the cities involved. I have no info on my mom's side because she was born in East Bronx and had no interest in her "old world" family. All she knew is she rebelled against being kosher. She was completely "American". My father never provided for us. It's so strange that it turns out this way. He died young >from peritonitis and was literally told to leave the house when I was 6 YO. I remember it all as if it were yesterday.
His father was a Rabbi in Cleveland.

I've moved to another state since I started in the whole JewGen list and so I've saved lots of JewGen emails but haven't read them yet. However, I did manage to participate in the National Geographic genome project, successfully during the entire relocation process. That was a miracle all by itself.

I found out that I've got strong Hungarian Jewish roots. However, it all is supposed to come >from my mother's side of the family, the DNA trail. So finding out that there was a strong Hungarian community in NYC, it may be that I am completely Hungarian stocked:) I just sort of thought my maternal grandparents were >from "Russia". There's no way to know because the family never kept together after the oldest daughter died (my Aunt Annie May Kirsch). . Mom just said she was born in East Bronx. She moved to D.C. when she was 14 YO.

So here goes, names on my mom's side. Frank and Mary May in Bronx and D.C,. Isadore May in D.C,. Abraham May in NYC.,
Annie May Kirsch in D.C,. Lavitt in NYC (clothing manufacture), Rose May in D.C., Frank May was one of the original members of the SouthEast Hebrew Congregation in D.C. and owned a Variety store on 7th & Pennsylvania Ave, S.E. D.C. I don't know anything about my maternal grandmom "Mary" because in those days she simply was the homemaker as far as my mom was concerned. Seems my grandfather ruled the roost and so did Annie May (mom's sister). I've another D.C. uncle but can't remember his name. I do remember his daughter, my cousin, Barbara May who of course has been married with another name and the last I heard she was in Annapolis MD. Many many years ago. My brother is not interested in any of this so no help there.
It would be amazing to find out that I'm Hungarian through my mom too..

Ethel Jean (Kowan) Saltz Greenbelt MD
1.emet>2.shalom>3.ahavah MMM-MMR Jew For Spinoza/Crescas MY FAMILY MEMBERS ARE NOT PRIMATES


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Yorkville - Kirsch #hungary

jps
 

Ethel,

I read your posting with interest as I also have some Kirsch's in my
tree >from the Bronx. The two first names (Annie and Rose) are even
matches. Unfortunatly I have no information newer than the 1930 census.

Solomon Kirsch b Abt March 1863 - Russia?
married about 1887 -
Lena Przeworski b Abt 1868 - Austria/Hungary/Galicia? -

They had :
Joe Kirsch - b Abt 1888
Rose Kirsch - b Abt 1892
Annie Kirsch - b Abt 1907

Also possibly a Muriel - but that may have been the same person as Annie
as I haven't found her on any of the census

Rose was a Bookkeeper - per 1910 and 1930 census'
Solomon and Joe worked in a Grocery per 1910 census'
Annie was a Stenographer in 1930

Anyway, here's hoping there is a connection of some sort.

John Segedy


Subject: Re: Yorkville
From: ethel jean saltz <nietgal@yahoo.com> <mailto:nietgal@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 00:25:58 -0800 (PST)
X-Message-Number: 2

This info is very helpful. I know my father was born in Hungary and I have documentation about the cities involved. I have no info on my mom's side because she was born in East Bronx and had no interest in her "old world" family. All she knew is she rebelled against being kosher. She was completely "American". My father never provided for us. It's so strange that it turns out this way. He died young >from peritonitis and was literally told to leave the house when I was 6 YO. I remember it all as if it were yesterday.
His father was a Rabbi in Cleveland.

I've moved to another state since I started in the whole JewGen list and so I've saved lots of JewGen emails but haven't read them yet. However, I did manage to participate in the National Geographic genome project, successfully during the entire relocation process. That was a miracle all by itself.

I found out that I've got strong Hungarian Jewish roots. However, it all is supposed to come >from my mother's side of the family, the DNA trail. So finding out that there was a strong Hungarian community in NYC, it may be that I am completely Hungarian stocked:) I just sort of thought my maternal grandparents were >from "Russia". There's no way to know because the family never kept together after the oldest daughter died (my Aunt Annie May Kirsch). . Mom just said she was born in East Bronx. She moved to D.C. when she was 14 YO.

So here goes, names on my mom's side. Frank and Mary May in Bronx and D.C,. Isadore May in D.C,. Abraham May in NYC.,
Annie May Kirsch in D.C,. Lavitt in NYC (clothing manufacture), Rose May in D.C., Frank May was one of the original members of the SouthEast Hebrew Congregation in D.C. and owned a Variety store on 7th & Pennsylvania Ave, S.E. D.C. I don't know anything about my maternal grandmom "Mary" because in those days she simply was the homemaker as far as my mom was concerned. Seems my grandfather ruled the roost and so did Annie May (mom's sister). I've another D.C. uncle but can't remember his name. I do remember his daughter, my cousin, Barbara May who of course has been married with another name and the last I heard she was in Annapolis MD. Many many years ago. My brother is not interested in any of this so no help there.
It would be amazing to find out that I'm Hungarian through my mom too..

Ethel Jean (Kowan) Saltz Greenbelt MD
1.emet>2.shalom>3.ahavah MMM-MMR Jew For Spinoza/Crescas MY FAMILY MEMBERS ARE NOT PRIMATES


CZINNER/ZINNER and CZIN? #hungary

Marian Brown
 

Dear all,

My great grandfather has the surname CZINNER/ZINNER in most Slovakian
records but on one the surname is CZIN. I'm fairly sure it is the same
person because of his occupation as a glazier. Would someone know
whether it would be likely to have a shortened the name like this?

TX,

Marian Brown


Hungary SIG #Hungary CZINNER/ZINNER and CZIN? #hungary

Marian Brown
 

Dear all,

My great grandfather has the surname CZINNER/ZINNER in most Slovakian
records but on one the surname is CZIN. I'm fairly sure it is the same
person because of his occupation as a glazier. Would someone know
whether it would be likely to have a shortened the name like this?

TX,

Marian Brown


Re: Romocsahaza #hungary

marvdav@...
 

How might I access a copy of the Hungaarian Gazatteer mentioned.

Thanks for your help.

Marvin Davis

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Neu <roneu1@yahoo.com>
To: H-SIG <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:45:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [h-sig] Romocsahaza

According to the Hungaarian Gazatteer, in 1877 there
were 6 Jews in Romocshaza. The records for this town
were with the BILKE community then in Bereg County now
in the Ukraine as Bilki.

Like for most records >from the Ukraine they are not,
so far, available >from the FHL

Robert

<snip>


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Romocsahaza #hungary

marvdav@...
 

How might I access a copy of the Hungaarian Gazatteer mentioned.

Thanks for your help.

Marvin Davis

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Neu <roneu1@yahoo.com>
To: H-SIG <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:45:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [h-sig] Romocsahaza

According to the Hungaarian Gazatteer, in 1877 there
were 6 Jews in Romocshaza. The records for this town
were with the BILKE community then in Bereg County now
in the Ukraine as Bilki.

Like for most records >from the Ukraine they are not,
so far, available >from the FHL

Robert

<snip>