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1877 Dvorszak Gazetteer #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

You can access the Dvorszak 1877 Gazetteer and find instructions for
using this invaluable resource at the Hungarian SIG website. Click on
http://www.jewishgen.org/Hungary/methods.htm and scroll down to General
Information Sources.

Pecs University has scanned and uploaded the entire gazetteer. You can
find it at http://kt.lib.pte.hu/konyvtar/kt03110501/tartalom.html Be
aware that it is in Hungarian. Search by county by scrolling down to
the county you're searching under Megye-Comitat. There's a guide for
using the Dvorzsak Gazetteer at
http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/dvorzsak_gazetteer.htm

And, of course, you can also find the Gazetteer on microfiche at your
local FHL.

Vivian Kahn, Hungarian SIG Coordinator
Fw: Paul Linhart's query #hungary

Andrew Sanders <andrew-s@...>
 

I know nothing about Davidovka and Russian institution. But the Hungarian
Army had a field hospital at Kiev. After the Voronezh debacle, many forced
labour conscripts, my father included, marched back westward to Kiev, some
managed to get into that hospital for warmth, food and perhaps care. My
father did, and contacted typhoid fever there. He died within days at that
hospital. Could Paul Linhart's grandfather have found his way to the same
place?

Andrew Sanders
Toronto / Haifa
Hungary SIG #Hungary 1877 Dvorszak Gazetteer #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

You can access the Dvorszak 1877 Gazetteer and find instructions for
using this invaluable resource at the Hungarian SIG website. Click on
http://www.jewishgen.org/Hungary/methods.htm and scroll down to General
Information Sources.

Pecs University has scanned and uploaded the entire gazetteer. You can
find it at http://kt.lib.pte.hu/konyvtar/kt03110501/tartalom.html Be
aware that it is in Hungarian. Search by county by scrolling down to
the county you're searching under Megye-Comitat. There's a guide for
using the Dvorzsak Gazetteer at
http://www.iabsi.com/gen/public/dvorzsak_gazetteer.htm

And, of course, you can also find the Gazetteer on microfiche at your
local FHL.

Vivian Kahn, Hungarian SIG Coordinator
Hungary SIG #Hungary Fw: Paul Linhart's query #hungary

Andrew Sanders <andrew-s@...>
 

I know nothing about Davidovka and Russian institution. But the Hungarian
Army had a field hospital at Kiev. After the Voronezh debacle, many forced
labour conscripts, my father included, marched back westward to Kiev, some
managed to get into that hospital for warmth, food and perhaps care. My
father did, and contacted typhoid fever there. He died within days at that
hospital. Could Paul Linhart's grandfather have found his way to the same
place?

Andrew Sanders
Toronto / Haifa
Neptune Steet not Well Street #unitedkingdom

Chaim freedman
 

Indeed Well Street is now Ensign Street. My father, the late John Freedman
(1910-1999) lived there at #27, during the 1st World War until he left with
his parents for Australia in 1922. #22 is now occupied by the school.

In the census of 1901 my greatgrandparents Michael and Dora Blumenthal
lived at #45 Well Street. They later moved to St.Mark Street.

I visited the area with my father in 1970 and many of the old buildings were
still standing. Last October when I visited again all the buildings were
new. My father told me that he attended a primary school in the centre of
Wellclose square. He was born at #212 St.Georges Road now called the
Highway. His parents, Myer and Annie Freedman were married in the Little
Alie Street Shule in 1909, which was in ruins in 1970 and by 1974 when I
visited it, it had been converted into the Half Moon Theatre. That too has
disappeared in a new building.

In fact during my visit with my wife last October, none of the sites where
my family lived are still standing. I was lucky to see them with my father
in 1970.

Will sentimental memories,
Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
chaimjan@zahav.net.il
http://au.geocities.com/chaimjan2003/Chaim_Freedman.html
JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Neptune Steet not Well Street #unitedkingdom

Chaim freedman
 

Indeed Well Street is now Ensign Street. My father, the late John Freedman
(1910-1999) lived there at #27, during the 1st World War until he left with
his parents for Australia in 1922. #22 is now occupied by the school.

In the census of 1901 my greatgrandparents Michael and Dora Blumenthal
lived at #45 Well Street. They later moved to St.Mark Street.

I visited the area with my father in 1970 and many of the old buildings were
still standing. Last October when I visited again all the buildings were
new. My father told me that he attended a primary school in the centre of
Wellclose square. He was born at #212 St.Georges Road now called the
Highway. His parents, Myer and Annie Freedman were married in the Little
Alie Street Shule in 1909, which was in ruins in 1970 and by 1974 when I
visited it, it had been converted into the Half Moon Theatre. That too has
disappeared in a new building.

In fact during my visit with my wife last October, none of the sites where
my family lived are still standing. I was lucky to see them with my father
in 1970.

Will sentimental memories,
Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
chaimjan@zahav.net.il
http://au.geocities.com/chaimjan2003/Chaim_Freedman.html
Davidovka, Ukraine 1943: Soviet Field Hospital and/or Nazi Forced-Labor Camp? #hungary

Ujfeherto@...
 

I am trying to trace the fate of my grandfather Antal LINHARDT who
disappeared >from the #401 Penal Labor-Service Brigade on January 12, 1943 at the
Russian Front after the Voronezh Offensive. According to an eyewitness, my
grandfather was taken to a field hospital at the Front (although it is unclear
whether this was a Nazi or Soviet hospital)

According to the book Fekete konyu by Eugene Levai, Hungarians in exile in
Moscow (Mihaly Farkas, Erno Gero, Bela Illes, and Zoltan Vas) arranged for
POWs taken by the Soviets to be cared for at the Davidovka Hospital in the
Ukraine.

There are several places in the Ukraine called Davidovka, but I believe this
to be at long. 51' 10", lat. 39' 26"

I noticed that Hungarian Olympic fencing athlete, Attila Petschauer, whose
death was depicted in the movie Sunshine, died in Nazi labor camp at
Davidovka, Ukraine.

I am wondering if this is the same Davidovka and if the Soviet's took over
the Nazi labor camp and converted it to a field hospital and/or POW camp.

Does anyone have any information or suggestions on the Davidovka Hospital or
Labor Camp?

Paul Linhardt
Pacific Grove, CA
www.PaulLinhardt.com
Hungary SIG #Hungary Davidovka, Ukraine 1943: Soviet Field Hospital and/or Nazi Forced-Labor Camp? #hungary

Ujfeherto@...
 

I am trying to trace the fate of my grandfather Antal LINHARDT who
disappeared >from the #401 Penal Labor-Service Brigade on January 12, 1943 at the
Russian Front after the Voronezh Offensive. According to an eyewitness, my
grandfather was taken to a field hospital at the Front (although it is unclear
whether this was a Nazi or Soviet hospital)

According to the book Fekete konyu by Eugene Levai, Hungarians in exile in
Moscow (Mihaly Farkas, Erno Gero, Bela Illes, and Zoltan Vas) arranged for
POWs taken by the Soviets to be cared for at the Davidovka Hospital in the
Ukraine.

There are several places in the Ukraine called Davidovka, but I believe this
to be at long. 51' 10", lat. 39' 26"

I noticed that Hungarian Olympic fencing athlete, Attila Petschauer, whose
death was depicted in the movie Sunshine, died in Nazi labor camp at
Davidovka, Ukraine.

I am wondering if this is the same Davidovka and if the Soviet's took over
the Nazi labor camp and converted it to a field hospital and/or POW camp.

Does anyone have any information or suggestions on the Davidovka Hospital or
Labor Camp?

Paul Linhardt
Pacific Grove, CA
www.PaulLinhardt.com
Re: CZINNER/ZINNER and CZIN? #hungary

lynnsaul@...
 

Our Czinner/Zinner family (Satoraljaujhely area) is always Czinner or
Zinner. I've never seen the shorter form (back to approx 1850.) HOWEVER,
I have seen "errors" in the handwriting on records for various names, and
abbreviations used instead of full spelling.

Lynn Saul

Dear all,

My great grandfather has the surname CZINNER/ZINNER in most Slovakian
records but on one the surname is CZIN. I'm fairly sure it is the same
person because of his occupation as a glazier. Would someone know
whether it would be likely to have a shortened the name like this?

TX,

Marian Brown
Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: CZINNER/ZINNER and CZIN? #hungary

lynnsaul@...
 

Our Czinner/Zinner family (Satoraljaujhely area) is always Czinner or
Zinner. I've never seen the shorter form (back to approx 1850.) HOWEVER,
I have seen "errors" in the handwriting on records for various names, and
abbreviations used instead of full spelling.

Lynn Saul

Dear all,

My great grandfather has the surname CZINNER/ZINNER in most Slovakian
records but on one the surname is CZIN. I'm fairly sure it is the same
person because of his occupation as a glazier. Would someone know
whether it would be likely to have a shortened the name like this?

TX,

Marian Brown
1933/4 photos in Palestine from Hungarian immigrants #hungary

Viviana Grosz-Gluckman <grosz_chai@...>
 

Hello,

I have some black and white photos >from my father and
other young HUngarians who were in Palestine in 1933/4
working in construction sites in Tel Aviv. I want to
know if there are research institutions, museums and
the like in Israel that would be interested in this
historical material, and who to contact.

Viviana Grosz-Gluckman

REsearching GROSZ ILKOVICS MOGYOROS
GOLOP, EDELENY, MISKOLC

Moderator: Please contact Viviana off-list if you have suggestions about repositories that might be interested.
Hungary SIG #Hungary 1933/4 photos in Palestine from Hungarian immigrants #hungary

Viviana Grosz-Gluckman <grosz_chai@...>
 

Hello,

I have some black and white photos >from my father and
other young HUngarians who were in Palestine in 1933/4
working in construction sites in Tel Aviv. I want to
know if there are research institutions, museums and
the like in Israel that would be interested in this
historical material, and who to contact.

Viviana Grosz-Gluckman

REsearching GROSZ ILKOVICS MOGYOROS
GOLOP, EDELENY, MISKOLC

Moderator: Please contact Viviana off-list if you have suggestions about repositories that might be interested.
Re: Romocsahaza #hungary

Robert Neu
 

It is available at the FHL in Salt Lake City and other
public libraries.

There is a reprint, details with your e-mail or just
Google.

Robert

--- marvdav@aol.com wrote:

How might I access a copy of the Hungaarian
Gazatteer mentioned.

Thanks for your help.

Marvin Davis

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Neu <roneu1@yahoo.com>
To: H-SIG <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:45:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [h-sig] Romocsahaza

According to the Hungaarian Gazatteer, in 1877
there
were 6 Jews in Romocshaza. The records for this town
were with the BILKE community then in Bereg County
now
in the Ukraine as Bilki.

Like for most records >from the Ukraine they are not,
so far, available >from the FHL

Robert

<snip>
Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Romocsahaza #hungary

Robert Neu
 

It is available at the FHL in Salt Lake City and other
public libraries.

There is a reprint, details with your e-mail or just
Google.

Robert

--- marvdav@aol.com wrote:

How might I access a copy of the Hungaarian
Gazatteer mentioned.

Thanks for your help.

Marvin Davis

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Neu <roneu1@yahoo.com>
To: H-SIG <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:45:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [h-sig] Romocsahaza

According to the Hungaarian Gazatteer, in 1877
there
were 6 Jews in Romocshaza. The records for this town
were with the BILKE community then in Bereg County
now
in the Ukraine as Bilki.

Like for most records >from the Ukraine they are not,
so far, available >from the FHL

Robert

<snip>
the wrong Abraham HERMAN #general

JGyori@...
 

I have a copy of the death certificate for Abraham HERMAN, Certificate #
1726, Bronx, New York. He died 9 February, 1919 at Lincoln Hospital. He lived
at 1037 Teller Avenue. He was born in Russia and had been in New York for 24
years. His father was Israel Herman and his mother was Sophie (maiden name
unknown)
He is buried in the United Hebrew Cemetery. I called they for verification
and he was buried by the Order of Brith Abraham Burial Society. He is in Block
39, Row 4, Grave 29.

He is not the Abraham Herman I was looking for. Turns out mine died July
1917 in Manhattan!
I would be happy it to send this out to anyone who might be related.

Judi Gyori Missel
Mesa, Arizona

Searching: WEBERMAN, KLEIN, SCHWARCZ, DEUTS/DEUTCH, BRAUN, SCHONSTEIN,
ROZENBAUM, ZIMERMAN all >from the small towns around Eger - Maklar, Kerescsend,
Mezokeresztes, Dormand, Abuajszanto, Szina.
SPITZER, SCHWED, GRUNBERGER, GYARFAS >from Satorajauljhely and Budapest
HIRSCHFELD, GYORI, SINGER >from Gyor, Bratislavia
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen the wrong Abraham HERMAN #general

JGyori@...
 

I have a copy of the death certificate for Abraham HERMAN, Certificate #
1726, Bronx, New York. He died 9 February, 1919 at Lincoln Hospital. He lived
at 1037 Teller Avenue. He was born in Russia and had been in New York for 24
years. His father was Israel Herman and his mother was Sophie (maiden name
unknown)
He is buried in the United Hebrew Cemetery. I called they for verification
and he was buried by the Order of Brith Abraham Burial Society. He is in Block
39, Row 4, Grave 29.

He is not the Abraham Herman I was looking for. Turns out mine died July
1917 in Manhattan!
I would be happy it to send this out to anyone who might be related.

Judi Gyori Missel
Mesa, Arizona

Searching: WEBERMAN, KLEIN, SCHWARCZ, DEUTS/DEUTCH, BRAUN, SCHONSTEIN,
ROZENBAUM, ZIMERMAN all >from the small towns around Eger - Maklar, Kerescsend,
Mezokeresztes, Dormand, Abuajszanto, Szina.
SPITZER, SCHWED, GRUNBERGER, GYARFAS >from Satorajauljhely and Budapest
HIRSCHFELD, GYORI, SINGER >from Gyor, Bratislavia
Re: "Correct" way to enter main name in a tree #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

Any system that works for you, that you can apply consistently and that permits
you to navigate your tree and review support documentation, and that you can
clearly explain to others who might use your database, is "correct".

Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY

"Carolyn Lea" <clea@woh.rr.com> wrote in message

While I know that it may be a matter of personal preference, I am also
certain there is a "correct" way to enter names in the family tree. I have
read many posts on name changes, etc, in the archives but did not find a
real answer to this. I know that women are to be entered using their maiden
name and many software programs warn against entering nicknames - suggesting
placing such names in the "alternate names" section instead.

I realize that I have been somewhat inconsistent. If a surname is changed
(legally or otherwise) should the birth name be the main entry and other
names be listed in the alternate section? This seems the correct thing to
do - however, then the name which the person may not primarily be known by
will not appear in the name index. Also, if the name was changed prior to
the birth of a child it may not appear the child is the biological child of
the father. The same is true of course going backwards if the alternate name
is the main entry. Is it appropriate to place the changed name in
parenthesis next to the birth name?

Just in my immediate family my father, Leon Schwarzbaum, began using his
stepfather's name, Mitchell abt age 10. I was born with that name. I legally
changed my name and my son's (he was abt 8) to my middle name (Lea) after my
divorce and when I was angry with my father!

I have also located a birth certificate for Esther Schwarzbaum who
apparently always used Elsie. Her sons (both in their 80s), with whom I am
in contact, never knew her name was Esther. I thought I had found a new
child! Her marriage and death certificates say Elsie.

I believe to be consistent (and what I assume is the "proper format") I
should always enter birth name if known. However, I am afraid of name
confusion when I share the tree with others.

Carolyn Lea
Ohio
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: "Correct" way to enter main name in a tree #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

Any system that works for you, that you can apply consistently and that permits
you to navigate your tree and review support documentation, and that you can
clearly explain to others who might use your database, is "correct".

Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY

"Carolyn Lea" <clea@woh.rr.com> wrote in message

While I know that it may be a matter of personal preference, I am also
certain there is a "correct" way to enter names in the family tree. I have
read many posts on name changes, etc, in the archives but did not find a
real answer to this. I know that women are to be entered using their maiden
name and many software programs warn against entering nicknames - suggesting
placing such names in the "alternate names" section instead.

I realize that I have been somewhat inconsistent. If a surname is changed
(legally or otherwise) should the birth name be the main entry and other
names be listed in the alternate section? This seems the correct thing to
do - however, then the name which the person may not primarily be known by
will not appear in the name index. Also, if the name was changed prior to
the birth of a child it may not appear the child is the biological child of
the father. The same is true of course going backwards if the alternate name
is the main entry. Is it appropriate to place the changed name in
parenthesis next to the birth name?

Just in my immediate family my father, Leon Schwarzbaum, began using his
stepfather's name, Mitchell abt age 10. I was born with that name. I legally
changed my name and my son's (he was abt 8) to my middle name (Lea) after my
divorce and when I was angry with my father!

I have also located a birth certificate for Esther Schwarzbaum who
apparently always used Elsie. Her sons (both in their 80s), with whom I am
in contact, never knew her name was Esther. I thought I had found a new
child! Her marriage and death certificates say Elsie.

I believe to be consistent (and what I assume is the "proper format") I
should always enter birth name if known. However, I am afraid of name
confusion when I share the tree with others.

Carolyn Lea
Ohio
re saying where you are #general

Shelly Crane
 

Dear Genners, There are all kinds of reasons some of us may choose not
to put down our location and that includes personal experience and safety.
Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but I haven't read all the posts yet.

As a victim of identity theft, I am extremely cautious giving out details
about myself that are posted in a public forum. Keep in mind, these emails
are kept in archives and can be found anytime in the future. Not that I would
expect JewishGen to be a source of identity theft, however having lived through
the torturous experience of reclaiming my name, identity and credit, I'm
very paranoid about providing private information in a public record. I for
one, might provide my specific location in private email exchange, but not in a
public archived forum. We can still exchange family information even if we
don't have a clue where each of us lives.

Yes, I understand there are web sites abound that list address, phone number
etc, but I can't do anything about those. However, I can at least not
contribute to adding personal details to the world wide web.

I am also familiar with a single mom (who shall remain anonymous, per her
request) who refuses to enter her location because she was stalked by a
stranger and was forced to move to a new town. She does not list her location
for the safety of herself and her children. While I understand this kind of
situation is very rare, the point I'm trying to make is that we all bring to
the table our own personal experiences, so lets not jump the gun and make
assumptions the person is being rude and simply not following the rules.
There may be a very good reason. Besides, I honestly can't understand why
anyone cares where I live -rules or no rules!

So as a woman, I feel quite strongly for my personal safety that I simply
don't want to post my location on any public forum. If the rules state that
we have to list a city, maybe it's time to make some changes and provide more
flexibility.

Lastly, for those of you who choose not to contact us more private Genners
because you want to know where we live and we choose not to tell you, then
you risk never knowing if we hold the missing link to your family tree!!!

Best regards,

Shelly Crane
USA
Names I am researching:
Anywhere in Lomza-Suwalki, Poland: BRIKMAN, CUKERBRAUM,
DANOWSKI , FAJNTUCH FRAJND, FROMSEN, GABELMAN, GOLDFARB, LANGUS,
KALIFOWICZ, KLEINMAN, LIPOWICZ, LIPSZYC, MILEWICZ, PRESSMAN, SOKOLOWICZ,
WAJNBERG, WRUBEL
Ukraine: BERMAN, BLAS, CHOLODENKO, DICKTER, FISCHER, GITERMAN, GLASS,
KVACHINSKIJ, KWAIT, LEFELMAN, LIPOVETSKY, MEZHERITZKY, OSCHERANKO,
PETROVSKI, SELDMAN, SHAPIRA, SHIFFMAN, WEXLER, ZEISLER

Mike Posnick <mpoz@earthlink.net> wrote:
You're not alone. . . Indeed, I never respond to e-mail
inquiries or listings in the Jewish Genealogy Family Finder (JGFF)
where the sender's/lister's name and location are not shown
MODERATOR NOTE; This posting has been allowed because of the mention of
identity theft, a point not previously raised.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re saying where you are #general

Shelly Crane
 

Dear Genners, There are all kinds of reasons some of us may choose not
to put down our location and that includes personal experience and safety.
Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but I haven't read all the posts yet.

As a victim of identity theft, I am extremely cautious giving out details
about myself that are posted in a public forum. Keep in mind, these emails
are kept in archives and can be found anytime in the future. Not that I would
expect JewishGen to be a source of identity theft, however having lived through
the torturous experience of reclaiming my name, identity and credit, I'm
very paranoid about providing private information in a public record. I for
one, might provide my specific location in private email exchange, but not in a
public archived forum. We can still exchange family information even if we
don't have a clue where each of us lives.

Yes, I understand there are web sites abound that list address, phone number
etc, but I can't do anything about those. However, I can at least not
contribute to adding personal details to the world wide web.

I am also familiar with a single mom (who shall remain anonymous, per her
request) who refuses to enter her location because she was stalked by a
stranger and was forced to move to a new town. She does not list her location
for the safety of herself and her children. While I understand this kind of
situation is very rare, the point I'm trying to make is that we all bring to
the table our own personal experiences, so lets not jump the gun and make
assumptions the person is being rude and simply not following the rules.
There may be a very good reason. Besides, I honestly can't understand why
anyone cares where I live -rules or no rules!

So as a woman, I feel quite strongly for my personal safety that I simply
don't want to post my location on any public forum. If the rules state that
we have to list a city, maybe it's time to make some changes and provide more
flexibility.

Lastly, for those of you who choose not to contact us more private Genners
because you want to know where we live and we choose not to tell you, then
you risk never knowing if we hold the missing link to your family tree!!!

Best regards,

Shelly Crane
USA
Names I am researching:
Anywhere in Lomza-Suwalki, Poland: BRIKMAN, CUKERBRAUM,
DANOWSKI , FAJNTUCH FRAJND, FROMSEN, GABELMAN, GOLDFARB, LANGUS,
KALIFOWICZ, KLEINMAN, LIPOWICZ, LIPSZYC, MILEWICZ, PRESSMAN, SOKOLOWICZ,
WAJNBERG, WRUBEL
Ukraine: BERMAN, BLAS, CHOLODENKO, DICKTER, FISCHER, GITERMAN, GLASS,
KVACHINSKIJ, KWAIT, LEFELMAN, LIPOVETSKY, MEZHERITZKY, OSCHERANKO,
PETROVSKI, SELDMAN, SHAPIRA, SHIFFMAN, WEXLER, ZEISLER

Mike Posnick <mpoz@earthlink.net> wrote:
You're not alone. . . Indeed, I never respond to e-mail
inquiries or listings in the Jewish Genealogy Family Finder (JGFF)
where the sender's/lister's name and location are not shown
MODERATOR NOTE; This posting has been allowed because of the mention of
identity theft, a point not previously raised.
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