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Cotopaxi, Colorado #general

sangreenb@...
 

Hi: To answer the question on Cotopaxi, Colorado - I was there at the
Cotopaxi, cemetery and saw the three children's graves. The cemetery is high on a
hill top above the local elementary school. The children's graves are marked
by a copper plaque which reads, "Russian Jews Graves".

To read up more on the Jews who came to Cotopaxi look on the following
website:
www.jewishgen.org/jgs-colorado (http://www.jewishgen.org/jgs-colorado) web
page.

Sandra Greenberg
JGSCO Librarian
Denver, CO
_sangreenb@aol.com_ (mailto:sangreenb@aol.com)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Cotopaxi, Colorado #general

sangreenb@...
 

Hi: To answer the question on Cotopaxi, Colorado - I was there at the
Cotopaxi, cemetery and saw the three children's graves. The cemetery is high on a
hill top above the local elementary school. The children's graves are marked
by a copper plaque which reads, "Russian Jews Graves".

To read up more on the Jews who came to Cotopaxi look on the following
website:
www.jewishgen.org/jgs-colorado (http://www.jewishgen.org/jgs-colorado) web
page.

Sandra Greenberg
JGSCO Librarian
Denver, CO
_sangreenb@aol.com_ (mailto:sangreenb@aol.com)


Female first name(s) of "Katrina"/"Rina" #hungary

HeyJudy123@...
 

George FARKAS asks about the use of the first name(s) "Katrina" and/ or
"Rina" for Hungarian Jewish women, as well as any Hebrew equivalents.

I believe that "Katie" was a very popular name for Jewish women in Hungary,
and "Katie" easily could be a nickname for "Katrina."

We had several women named "Katie" on the Hungarian side of my mother's
family.

All of them bore the Hebrew/ Yiddish name of "Gittie" (or "Gittel") in
addition.

Interestingly, some of these women changed their first names >from "Katie" to
"Gisella," presumably to modernize, and also in what presumably is an
allusion to the Hebrew/ Yiddish name of "Gittie."

Judy SEGAL
New York City USA

BAYERN, HERSKOVITS (varied spellings), ROSENBERG/ ROZENBERG, HABER, KOHN,
from "Huncovce" (a/k/a "Hunfalu," "Hunsdorf"), "Kosice" (a/k/a "Kassa,"
"Kashau"), Budapest, Manhattan, Brooklyn, The Bronx and Ohio, specifically,
Cleveland.


Re: Hajduboszormeny and names... #hungary

Eloedfamily@...
 

I was recently told, that Maria Theresa herself of German descent, ordered
all Jews in Austro-Hungary to adopt German last names, and thereby swell the
German people's numbers in the Monarchy. This was some time after the Turks
been chased out of Hungary, and Maria Theresa helped re populate Hungary.
Anyone with any detail on this? When and how was this done in reality? Would
Hungarian Jews with Hungarian names be also forced to such changes? Like the
equivalent of KLEIN in Hungarian would be KIS, GROSS would have been NAGY, WOLF
from FARKAS and so on.
Thanks,

Leslie Eloed
Covina, California


In a message dated 2/27/2006 3:06:18 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
h-sig@ecologicaltech.com writes:
KLEIN is probably one of the most common hungarian jewish surnames, with one
or more families in every town where jews lived. (in my case, i am related
to another KLEIN family, by marriage only, >from the same town of bekescsaba,
who were not related.)

among other theories, it probably originated as a version of "hakohen", so
you might find that your KLEIN family are kohanim.


....... tom klein, toronto

"bruce karpati" <bkarpati@hotmail.com> wrote:

A large part of my family were Kleins, who came >from Hajduboszormeny. My
great great grandfather was Kalman David Klein (1852-1931). His
grandfather, Kalman came >from Ujfeherto, and had a son Samuel, who had
Kalman David. Kalman David's wife was also a Klein, Hany Klein and they had
six kids: Samuel, Ignac, Ida, Ethel, Joseph and Hendrus. The Kleins were
also related to the Goldsteins. I would like to find out more about the
Jews in Hajdoboszormeny, and about the Kleins >from Hajudoboszormeny. Any
information would be great. Thank you.

Bruce Karpati


Hungary SIG #Hungary Female first name(s) of "Katrina"/"Rina" #hungary

HeyJudy123@...
 

George FARKAS asks about the use of the first name(s) "Katrina" and/ or
"Rina" for Hungarian Jewish women, as well as any Hebrew equivalents.

I believe that "Katie" was a very popular name for Jewish women in Hungary,
and "Katie" easily could be a nickname for "Katrina."

We had several women named "Katie" on the Hungarian side of my mother's
family.

All of them bore the Hebrew/ Yiddish name of "Gittie" (or "Gittel") in
addition.

Interestingly, some of these women changed their first names >from "Katie" to
"Gisella," presumably to modernize, and also in what presumably is an
allusion to the Hebrew/ Yiddish name of "Gittie."

Judy SEGAL
New York City USA

BAYERN, HERSKOVITS (varied spellings), ROSENBERG/ ROZENBERG, HABER, KOHN,
from "Huncovce" (a/k/a "Hunfalu," "Hunsdorf"), "Kosice" (a/k/a "Kassa,"
"Kashau"), Budapest, Manhattan, Brooklyn, The Bronx and Ohio, specifically,
Cleveland.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Hajduboszormeny and names... #hungary

Eloedfamily@...
 

I was recently told, that Maria Theresa herself of German descent, ordered
all Jews in Austro-Hungary to adopt German last names, and thereby swell the
German people's numbers in the Monarchy. This was some time after the Turks
been chased out of Hungary, and Maria Theresa helped re populate Hungary.
Anyone with any detail on this? When and how was this done in reality? Would
Hungarian Jews with Hungarian names be also forced to such changes? Like the
equivalent of KLEIN in Hungarian would be KIS, GROSS would have been NAGY, WOLF
from FARKAS and so on.
Thanks,

Leslie Eloed
Covina, California


In a message dated 2/27/2006 3:06:18 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
h-sig@ecologicaltech.com writes:
KLEIN is probably one of the most common hungarian jewish surnames, with one
or more families in every town where jews lived. (in my case, i am related
to another KLEIN family, by marriage only, >from the same town of bekescsaba,
who were not related.)

among other theories, it probably originated as a version of "hakohen", so
you might find that your KLEIN family are kohanim.


....... tom klein, toronto

"bruce karpati" <bkarpati@hotmail.com> wrote:

A large part of my family were Kleins, who came >from Hajduboszormeny. My
great great grandfather was Kalman David Klein (1852-1931). His
grandfather, Kalman came >from Ujfeherto, and had a son Samuel, who had
Kalman David. Kalman David's wife was also a Klein, Hany Klein and they had
six kids: Samuel, Ignac, Ida, Ethel, Joseph and Hendrus. The Kleins were
also related to the Goldsteins. I would like to find out more about the
Jews in Hajdoboszormeny, and about the Kleins >from Hajudoboszormeny. Any
information would be great. Thank you.

Bruce Karpati


the name Katarina #hungary

Henry Wellisch <henry.kelwel@...>
 

Hi:
My gggrand mother's first name was KATARINA and she was born around
1790 in Rajka (Ragendorf), which is in western Hungary. In some
documents she is also referred to as KATI, in others as KATALIN. The
1768 Hungarian Jewish census has been preserved and it includes the
name of the head of household as well as the first name of the spouse.
I have copied several pages >from the area named above and there are a
number of CATHARINAS listed.
Henry Wellisch
Toronto


Re: Kupferstein/Kardos #hungary

Patricia J Weisshaus <patjw28@...>
 

To all who have responded to this inquiry about divorce, let me pose this
question:

If this was a name change fron Kupferstein to Kardos, then why did Wilma
(Vilma) in 1915 refer to her father, Herman Kupferstein as her contact in
Hungary, and Ernest, her brother, in 1922 refer to his mother, W. Kardos,
as his contact. these were both taken >from passenger manifests.

In 1922 when Ernest came to this country he went to the home of his
brother-in-law Jozsef Fodor. Living in Joseph's household in 1930 is Fannie
Cooperstein, mother-in-law.

Would one child and the mother keep the surname Kupferstein(Cooperstein) ,
but the brother keep the other Kardos?

I don't think so, but what is your opinion now?

They are definitely sister and brother because Ernest refers to Vilma as
his sister.

Thanks for assisting me.

Pat
Exeter, NH


Hungary SIG #Hungary the name Katarina #hungary

Henry Wellisch <henry.kelwel@...>
 

Hi:
My gggrand mother's first name was KATARINA and she was born around
1790 in Rajka (Ragendorf), which is in western Hungary. In some
documents she is also referred to as KATI, in others as KATALIN. The
1768 Hungarian Jewish census has been preserved and it includes the
name of the head of household as well as the first name of the spouse.
I have copied several pages >from the area named above and there are a
number of CATHARINAS listed.
Henry Wellisch
Toronto


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Kupferstein/Kardos #hungary

Patricia J Weisshaus <patjw28@...>
 

To all who have responded to this inquiry about divorce, let me pose this
question:

If this was a name change fron Kupferstein to Kardos, then why did Wilma
(Vilma) in 1915 refer to her father, Herman Kupferstein as her contact in
Hungary, and Ernest, her brother, in 1922 refer to his mother, W. Kardos,
as his contact. these were both taken >from passenger manifests.

In 1922 when Ernest came to this country he went to the home of his
brother-in-law Jozsef Fodor. Living in Joseph's household in 1930 is Fannie
Cooperstein, mother-in-law.

Would one child and the mother keep the surname Kupferstein(Cooperstein) ,
but the brother keep the other Kardos?

I don't think so, but what is your opinion now?

They are definitely sister and brother because Ernest refers to Vilma as
his sister.

Thanks for assisting me.

Pat
Exeter, NH


Seeking information on Viss, Hungary #hungary

Leslie Weinberg <lbw50@...>
 

I have just learned that my maternal great-grandfather came to
Oradea, Romania, >from Viss, Hungary. Can anyone tell me where this
is and what it is like? Thank you, Leslie Weinberg
--
To err is human, to forgive canine.


Klein vs Kohn #hungary

SFeuerstein <ethnoca@...>
 

Subject: Re: Hajduboszormeny
From: tom klein <h-sig@ecologicaltech.com>

among other theories, it probably originated as a
version of "hakohen", so you might find that your
KLEIN family are kohanim.
Theoretically possible, but not too probable. Klein
means small or short, very common in Germanic areas,
just as Kis(s) is very common in Hungary. I found
that kohanim were overwhelmingly called Kohn's.

Sarah Feuerstein


Hungary SIG #Hungary Seeking information on Viss, Hungary #hungary

Leslie Weinberg <lbw50@...>
 

I have just learned that my maternal great-grandfather came to
Oradea, Romania, >from Viss, Hungary. Can anyone tell me where this
is and what it is like? Thank you, Leslie Weinberg
--
To err is human, to forgive canine.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Klein vs Kohn #hungary

SFeuerstein <ethnoca@...>
 

Subject: Re: Hajduboszormeny
From: tom klein <h-sig@ecologicaltech.com>

among other theories, it probably originated as a
version of "hakohen", so you might find that your
KLEIN family are kohanim.
Theoretically possible, but not too probable. Klein
means small or short, very common in Germanic areas,
just as Kis(s) is very common in Hungary. I found
that kohanim were overwhelmingly called Kohn's.

Sarah Feuerstein


Re: Hajduboszormeny #hungary

Chaim Frenkel <chaimf@...>
 

My maternal grandfather was a Goldstein. He was born in NyirBokony
(near Ujfeherto). When he lost his father, he and his brother, ended up
in Hajdoboszormeny. The assumption is that he had relatives that took
him in, or at least eased his transition.

With the common town names, there must be something going on here.

Do you have any information on your Goldsteins? Were they leviim?

<chaim>

On Sun, Feb 26, 2006 at 06:07:14PM +0000, bruce karpati wrote:
A large part of my family were Kleins, who came >from Hajduboszormeny. My
great great grandfather was Kalman David Klein (1852-1931). His
grandfather, Kalman came >from Ujfeherto, and had a son Samuel, who had
Kalman David. Kalman David's wife was also a Klein, Hany Klein and they
had six kids: Samuel, Ignac, Ida, Ethel, Joseph and Hendrus. The Kleins
were also related to the Goldsteins. I would like to find out more about
the Jews in Hajdoboszormeny, and about the Kleins >from Hajudoboszormeny.
Any information would be great. Thank you.

Bruce Karpati


Re: KUPFERSTEIN/KARDOS #hungary

Robert Neu
 

More simply Kupferstein/Kardos and Cooperstein are the
same name. One "Magyarized/Hungarized, the latter
Amglocized?
Robert Neu

--- Patricia J Weisshaus <patjw28@earthlink.net>
wrote:

Dear Friends,

Has anyone heard of divorce in Hungary around the
turn of the century?
Here's my dilemma: Ernest Kardos, in a letter to my
husband, referred to
his sister "Vilma." In the passenger manifest in
1903 Ernest says his
contact in Hungary is his mother, W. KARDOS, and
he's coming to the home of
his brother-in-law, Jozesf Fodor. Vilma, or Wilma,
comes to the US in
1915,married, with two children . She refers to her
contact as her father,
Herman Kupferstein, and she is going to her husband,
Jozsef.

In the 1930 census, I found Wilma with her husband,
Joseph Fodor and two
children. Also included in the household is "Fannie
Cooperstein,
mother-in-law.

Was Ernest's mother married twice?

Is it possible that W. Kupferstein (Cooperstein) was
also married to
Kardos? Is Wilma Ernest's half-sister? I have
ordered the civil registration
film at the Family History Center for Nyiregyhaza
for part of 1906 and
1907, but ths will still not tell me about divorce.

Can anyone answer my question?

Thank you to all,

Pat (New Hampshire)


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Hajduboszormeny #hungary

Chaim Frenkel <chaimf@...>
 

My maternal grandfather was a Goldstein. He was born in NyirBokony
(near Ujfeherto). When he lost his father, he and his brother, ended up
in Hajdoboszormeny. The assumption is that he had relatives that took
him in, or at least eased his transition.

With the common town names, there must be something going on here.

Do you have any information on your Goldsteins? Were they leviim?

<chaim>

On Sun, Feb 26, 2006 at 06:07:14PM +0000, bruce karpati wrote:
A large part of my family were Kleins, who came >from Hajduboszormeny. My
great great grandfather was Kalman David Klein (1852-1931). His
grandfather, Kalman came >from Ujfeherto, and had a son Samuel, who had
Kalman David. Kalman David's wife was also a Klein, Hany Klein and they
had six kids: Samuel, Ignac, Ida, Ethel, Joseph and Hendrus. The Kleins
were also related to the Goldsteins. I would like to find out more about
the Jews in Hajdoboszormeny, and about the Kleins >from Hajudoboszormeny.
Any information would be great. Thank you.

Bruce Karpati


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: KUPFERSTEIN/KARDOS #hungary

Robert Neu
 

More simply Kupferstein/Kardos and Cooperstein are the
same name. One "Magyarized/Hungarized, the latter
Amglocized?
Robert Neu

--- Patricia J Weisshaus <patjw28@earthlink.net>
wrote:

Dear Friends,

Has anyone heard of divorce in Hungary around the
turn of the century?
Here's my dilemma: Ernest Kardos, in a letter to my
husband, referred to
his sister "Vilma." In the passenger manifest in
1903 Ernest says his
contact in Hungary is his mother, W. KARDOS, and
he's coming to the home of
his brother-in-law, Jozesf Fodor. Vilma, or Wilma,
comes to the US in
1915,married, with two children . She refers to her
contact as her father,
Herman Kupferstein, and she is going to her husband,
Jozsef.

In the 1930 census, I found Wilma with her husband,
Joseph Fodor and two
children. Also included in the household is "Fannie
Cooperstein,
mother-in-law.

Was Ernest's mother married twice?

Is it possible that W. Kupferstein (Cooperstein) was
also married to
Kardos? Is Wilma Ernest's half-sister? I have
ordered the civil registration
film at the Family History Center for Nyiregyhaza
for part of 1906 and
1907, but ths will still not tell me about divorce.

Can anyone answer my question?

Thank you to all,

Pat (New Hampshire)


Naftali #hungary

Sam Lorber <laurelrest@...>
 

My G-G grandfather's brother was named Naftali Lorber and I have found very
little information about him. While browsing through the All Hungary
database (Births)- I came across the name but listed: Mihaly / Michael /
Jakab / Naftoli - all referring to the same man.

Are these possible substitutions for Naftali or did this man just have a
number of names.
Thanks in advance.

Sam Lorber
Nashville, TN

Researching: LORBER Nizny-Orlik, Budapest GOODMAN/GUTMANN Sobransz


Hungary SIG #Hungary Naftali #hungary

Sam Lorber <laurelrest@...>
 

My G-G grandfather's brother was named Naftali Lorber and I have found very
little information about him. While browsing through the All Hungary
database (Births)- I came across the name but listed: Mihaly / Michael /
Jakab / Naftoli - all referring to the same man.

Are these possible substitutions for Naftali or did this man just have a
number of names.
Thanks in advance.

Sam Lorber
Nashville, TN

Researching: LORBER Nizny-Orlik, Budapest GOODMAN/GUTMANN Sobransz