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Satu Mare - Trebits? #hungary

Sean Silver <sean_silver@...>
 

I was wondering if anyone out there might have information on the Jewish
population of Satu Mare, where my great-grandfather and his family lived
before my great-grandfather emigrated to the United states.

Emanuel Trebits, was born on March 8, 1890... and although we don't know if
he was born in Satu Mare (then Hungary, now Romania) , it was his last place
of residence before he came to America, where his name became Trabitz. The
family story goes that he took hisyounger brother's name and fled >from Satu
Mare because he was being inscripted into the military (which was
particularly harsh on Jews). He left a wife and a daughter (named Helen?)
because she refused to come.

His parents were actually well-to-do scrap metal merchants in Hungary and
were quite upset that he left. We believe his father's name was Aaron. We
believe his given name was Herman or Heshel, and although his parents and
brother passed away in the Holocaust, his brother had a son, Ernest, who
immigrated to Israel.

My grandfather, Al (birthname of Abraham) passed away this past year, but
has lived in Cleveland, Ohio for as long as I know. He had three daughters,
Sidra (my mother), Karen and Eudice.

And help others could provide would be greatly appreciated!

Sincerely,
Sean Silver


R. Moses of Copenhagen & R. Joel SIRKES #rabbinic

Dr. Jeffrey R. Woolf <woolfj@...>
 

Two quick questions:

1) I would appreciate any information concerning an 18th century Rav
known as 'the Great Rabbi Moses of Copenhagen.'

2) We've been able to trace my family back to a R. Yoel SIRKES, who
lived at the turn of the 17/18 Century. Does anyone know if the BaCH
had a grandson by that name?

Thank you.
Jeffrey Woolf


Hungary SIG #Hungary Satu Mare - Trebits? #hungary

Sean Silver <sean_silver@...>
 

I was wondering if anyone out there might have information on the Jewish
population of Satu Mare, where my great-grandfather and his family lived
before my great-grandfather emigrated to the United states.

Emanuel Trebits, was born on March 8, 1890... and although we don't know if
he was born in Satu Mare (then Hungary, now Romania) , it was his last place
of residence before he came to America, where his name became Trabitz. The
family story goes that he took hisyounger brother's name and fled >from Satu
Mare because he was being inscripted into the military (which was
particularly harsh on Jews). He left a wife and a daughter (named Helen?)
because she refused to come.

His parents were actually well-to-do scrap metal merchants in Hungary and
were quite upset that he left. We believe his father's name was Aaron. We
believe his given name was Herman or Heshel, and although his parents and
brother passed away in the Holocaust, his brother had a son, Ernest, who
immigrated to Israel.

My grandfather, Al (birthname of Abraham) passed away this past year, but
has lived in Cleveland, Ohio for as long as I know. He had three daughters,
Sidra (my mother), Karen and Eudice.

And help others could provide would be greatly appreciated!

Sincerely,
Sean Silver


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic R. Moses of Copenhagen & R. Joel SIRKES #rabbinic

Dr. Jeffrey R. Woolf <woolfj@...>
 

Two quick questions:

1) I would appreciate any information concerning an 18th century Rav
known as 'the Great Rabbi Moses of Copenhagen.'

2) We've been able to trace my family back to a R. Yoel SIRKES, who
lived at the turn of the 17/18 Century. Does anyone know if the BaCH
had a grandson by that name?

Thank you.
Jeffrey Woolf


Re: SZARVADY #hungary

Orsolya Levai <orsi.l@...>
 

If I'd write Tsardati with Hungarian pronunciation it would be: SZARFATI or CARFATI...
So, perhaps... (but I do not really think so)

Orsolya Levai
orsi.l@...

-----Original Message-----
From: georges [mailto:georges.graner@...]=20
Sent: 2006. m=E1rcius 2. 8:34
To: H-SIG
Subject: Spam:[h-sig] SZARVADY

Hello Siggers,
One of my French friends asks whether SZARVADY is or might be a
magyarization of TSARFATI ?
What do you think ?

Georges GRANER (Paris, France)
georges.graner@...


* SZARVADY (continued) #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Sorry, I forgot to mention that there are several towns in Hungary which could generate a toponymic family name:

SZARVA,
SZARVAD and
SZARVAS

The Hungarian form of "from" uses the suffixes 'dy' or 'sy', thus SZARVADY could be the Hungarization of ">from SARVAD".

Regards
Tom

At 00:00 -0600 03.03.2006, georges.graner@... wrote:
Subject: SZARVADY
From: georges <georges.graner@...>
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 08:34:06 +0100
X-Message-Number: 2

Hello Siggers,
One of my French friends asks whether SZARVADY is or might be a
magyarization of TSARFATI ?
What do you think ?
--
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@...>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Re: Seeking information on Viss, Hungary #hungary

jek <hvik@...>
 

Hi,

Viss is a village in Zemplen county, SE of Satoraljujhely with about
750 inhabitants.

HTH

Jeno Kohn, Goteborg, Sweden


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: SZARVADY #hungary

Orsolya Levai <orsi.l@...>
 

If I'd write Tsardati with Hungarian pronunciation it would be: SZARFATI or CARFATI...
So, perhaps... (but I do not really think so)

Orsolya Levai
orsi.l@...

-----Original Message-----
From: georges [mailto:georges.graner@...]=20
Sent: 2006. m=E1rcius 2. 8:34
To: H-SIG
Subject: Spam:[h-sig] SZARVADY

Hello Siggers,
One of my French friends asks whether SZARVADY is or might be a
magyarization of TSARFATI ?
What do you think ?

Georges GRANER (Paris, France)
georges.graner@...


Hungary SIG #Hungary * SZARVADY (continued) #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Sorry, I forgot to mention that there are several towns in Hungary which could generate a toponymic family name:

SZARVA,
SZARVAD and
SZARVAS

The Hungarian form of "from" uses the suffixes 'dy' or 'sy', thus SZARVADY could be the Hungarization of ">from SARVAD".

Regards
Tom

At 00:00 -0600 03.03.2006, georges.graner@... wrote:
Subject: SZARVADY
From: georges <georges.graner@...>
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 08:34:06 +0100
X-Message-Number: 2

Hello Siggers,
One of my French friends asks whether SZARVADY is or might be a
magyarization of TSARFATI ?
What do you think ?
--
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@...>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Hungary SIG #Hungary re:Seeking information on Viss, Hungary #hungary

jek <hvik@...>
 

Hi,

Viss is a village in Zemplen county, SE of Satoraljujhely with about
750 inhabitants.

HTH

Jeno Kohn, Goteborg, Sweden


*re: SZARVADY #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear Georges and all,

The best way to check similar spellings or pronouncing is to submit them to Soundex codes comparison. In this case:

TSARFATI
Daitch-Mokotoff: 497300
NARA: T261

SARFATI
Daitch-Mokotoff: 497300
NARA: S613

SZARVADY
Daitch-Mokotoff: 497300
NARA: S613

In other words, there is a *high possibility* that both surnames belonged to the same family, BUT...

... but, we all know that the "hungarization" of foreign names didn't follow any logical rules. So, even given the evidence above, I would suggest that your friend searches for documentation that this change indeed occurred.

The Mormons have a film of the book below:
Sza'zadunk Ne'vva'ltoztata'sai
(this century's changes of names)
a book published by Viktor Hornyanszky in 1895, which contains thousands of surnames of people who "hungarized" their names >from 1800 to 1893.

Regards
Tom

At 00:00 -0600 03.03.2006, georges.graner@... wrote:
Subject: SZARVADY
From: georges <georges.graner@...>
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 08:34:06 +0100
X-Message-Number: 2

Hello Siggers,
One of my French friends asks whether SZARVADY is or might be a
magyarization of TSARFATI ?
What do you think ?

Georges GRANER (Paris, France)
georges.graner@...
--
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@...>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Hungary SIG #Hungary *re: SZARVADY #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear Georges and all,

The best way to check similar spellings or pronouncing is to submit them to Soundex codes comparison. In this case:

TSARFATI
Daitch-Mokotoff: 497300
NARA: T261

SARFATI
Daitch-Mokotoff: 497300
NARA: S613

SZARVADY
Daitch-Mokotoff: 497300
NARA: S613

In other words, there is a *high possibility* that both surnames belonged to the same family, BUT...

... but, we all know that the "hungarization" of foreign names didn't follow any logical rules. So, even given the evidence above, I would suggest that your friend searches for documentation that this change indeed occurred.

The Mormons have a film of the book below:
Sza'zadunk Ne'vva'ltoztata'sai
(this century's changes of names)
a book published by Viktor Hornyanszky in 1895, which contains thousands of surnames of people who "hungarized" their names >from 1800 to 1893.

Regards
Tom

At 00:00 -0600 03.03.2006, georges.graner@... wrote:
Subject: SZARVADY
From: georges <georges.graner@...>
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 08:34:06 +0100
X-Message-Number: 2

Hello Siggers,
One of my French friends asks whether SZARVADY is or might be a
magyarization of TSARFATI ?
What do you think ?

Georges GRANER (Paris, France)
georges.graner@...
--
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@...>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Fateless/Sorstalan #hungary

Dr Andrew Gal <drgal@...>
 

I agree with Peter Spiro that this is an excellent book (in Hungarian). I
haven't seen the film.
My mother was in Concentration camps. While I was a child, she neither
dwelled on her experiences, nor tried to hide them >from me . She was matter
of fact about them -just like the book. These things happened. She came back
from Germany to the total devastation of her former life.
What could she do?

She had to get on with her life. No-one was particularly sorry for her or
too concerned. The Hungarian non-Jews wished she didn't come back. Everyone
had their own problems. Some people had more family members murdered than
she had...so what should she complain about?

In today's world where the loss of one life can be front page news, the
concept of the Shoah is unimaginable. The book wrote it down how it was,
without invoking the US cavalry, an Italian comic or Hogan's heroes. That is
what makes the book so chillingly real and why it resonates with me.

Dr Andrew Gal
Sydney. Australia
(Researching GRUNBAUM
LOBLOVITS (LOBLOVICS)
REICH
SINGER (SALGO)
POLACSEK
FRIEDMAN


Hungary SIG #Hungary Fateless/Sorstalan #hungary

Dr Andrew Gal <drgal@...>
 

I agree with Peter Spiro that this is an excellent book (in Hungarian). I
haven't seen the film.
My mother was in Concentration camps. While I was a child, she neither
dwelled on her experiences, nor tried to hide them >from me . She was matter
of fact about them -just like the book. These things happened. She came back
from Germany to the total devastation of her former life.
What could she do?

She had to get on with her life. No-one was particularly sorry for her or
too concerned. The Hungarian non-Jews wished she didn't come back. Everyone
had their own problems. Some people had more family members murdered than
she had...so what should she complain about?

In today's world where the loss of one life can be front page news, the
concept of the Shoah is unimaginable. The book wrote it down how it was,
without invoking the US cavalry, an Italian comic or Hogan's heroes. That is
what makes the book so chillingly real and why it resonates with me.

Dr Andrew Gal
Sydney. Australia
(Researching GRUNBAUM
LOBLOVITS (LOBLOVICS)
REICH
SINGER (SALGO)
POLACSEK
FRIEDMAN


Changing your GerSIG and JewishGen E-mail address #germany

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Hamburg and Breslau: JULIUSBERG : Help needed by researcher with newly discoverd Jewish German Polish ancestry #germany

holbrook <holbrook@...>
 

I would be very grateful for help to assist me research the following
ancestor whose Jewish identity I have only recently discovered. I intend to
go to Germany and Poland this summer to do further research and would be
grateful for any guidance:

Franz JULIUSBERG: born 22 Feb 1865 Breslau died 8 Feb 1936 (?Hamburg) . As
yet I cannot identify his parents and cannot confirm that he came from
Breslau. He married Johanna NATHUSIUS. I do know that he was connected with
the Hamburg firm of Hepner and Juliusberg, and importer and exporter of
tannic acid, that was 'aryanized' by the Nazis. I would like to know:

a) where can I go to find out about the JULIUSBERG family in Hamburg and
more information about the company of Hepner and Juliusberg?

b) where should I go to investigate the JULIUSBERG family in
Breslau/Wroclav?

c) where would there be any records created by the Nazis, in particular, the
Reichssippenamt, about the JULIUSBERG family?

Many thanks for any help offered.

Roger Lilley Cambridge UK <holbrook@...>


Calling all SCHLISSEL family members #general

Gayle Schlissel Riley <key2pst@...>
 

Subject: Calling all SCHLISSEL family members

Arnie Schlissel and I are interested in hearing >from you if you have not
checked in with us. Gayle >from San Gabriel, Ca near LA
ipalac@...
PS maybe now Keys Keyes Schlussel


German SIG #Germany Hamburg and Breslau: JULIUSBERG : Help needed by researcher with newly discoverd Jewish German Polish ancestry #germany

holbrook <holbrook@...>
 

I would be very grateful for help to assist me research the following
ancestor whose Jewish identity I have only recently discovered. I intend to
go to Germany and Poland this summer to do further research and would be
grateful for any guidance:

Franz JULIUSBERG: born 22 Feb 1865 Breslau died 8 Feb 1936 (?Hamburg) . As
yet I cannot identify his parents and cannot confirm that he came from
Breslau. He married Johanna NATHUSIUS. I do know that he was connected with
the Hamburg firm of Hepner and Juliusberg, and importer and exporter of
tannic acid, that was 'aryanized' by the Nazis. I would like to know:

a) where can I go to find out about the JULIUSBERG family in Hamburg and
more information about the company of Hepner and Juliusberg?

b) where should I go to investigate the JULIUSBERG family in
Breslau/Wroclav?

c) where would there be any records created by the Nazis, in particular, the
Reichssippenamt, about the JULIUSBERG family?

Many thanks for any help offered.

Roger Lilley Cambridge UK <holbrook@...>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Calling all SCHLISSEL family members #general

Gayle Schlissel Riley <key2pst@...>
 

Subject: Calling all SCHLISSEL family members

Arnie Schlissel and I are interested in hearing >from you if you have not
checked in with us. Gayle >from San Gabriel, Ca near LA
ipalac@...
PS maybe now Keys Keyes Schlussel