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BRECKNOCK/BREAKWELL/COLTON - Shropshire #unitedkingdom

Janice Jones <janjones@...>
 

We are trying to confirm a possible Jewish connection to a family known
firstly as BRECKNOCK, later as BREAKWELL, but whose descendants sometimes
used either "BRECKNOCK ALIAS COLTON" or just "COLTON" alone.

The uses of the primary name and the "alias" are a mystery to us - the
primary name, in the Shropshire area around Wheathill, appeared in the early
to mid 1600's, as far as I can tell, and then in the mid 1700's the alias
appeared or the name COLTON was used alone. There seems no discernable
pattern to the usages - for example, a family where the father was
"BREAKWELL ALIAS COLTON" might register the first few children under
BREAKWELL and the rest under COLTON - and in later years, those same
children would sometimes marry under the other name!!

BRECKNOCK is generally accepted as an ancient Welsh name - and, so far, we
have not found a marriage which would have introduced the "COLTON" into the
family - yet there must be some explanation for this curious usage.

At present, I am in touch with others who, like myself, descend >from a
COLTON line and none of us found anything to resolve this puzzle. However,
one of us has agreed with me that we had heard something of a Jewish
heritage >from now-deceased relatives. Unfortunately, this was long before
we took up our genealogical research! One passed-down theory is that there
was a connection with Eastern Europe and that the COLTON name may have been
passed down the female line. The only other "clues", if they can be called
that, are that there were several ancestors fore-named Israel among the
various BRECKNOCK, BREAKWELL and COLTON branches.

We realize we are reaching a long way back, when records were sparse, but
would be grateful for any advice or information anyone may have. For
instance - is there an old Jewish cemetery in Brecon?

Regards,
Janice JONES
Winnipeg, Manitoba,Canada
JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom BRECKNOCK/BREAKWELL/COLTON - Shropshire #unitedkingdom

Janice Jones <janjones@...>
 

We are trying to confirm a possible Jewish connection to a family known
firstly as BRECKNOCK, later as BREAKWELL, but whose descendants sometimes
used either "BRECKNOCK ALIAS COLTON" or just "COLTON" alone.

The uses of the primary name and the "alias" are a mystery to us - the
primary name, in the Shropshire area around Wheathill, appeared in the early
to mid 1600's, as far as I can tell, and then in the mid 1700's the alias
appeared or the name COLTON was used alone. There seems no discernable
pattern to the usages - for example, a family where the father was
"BREAKWELL ALIAS COLTON" might register the first few children under
BREAKWELL and the rest under COLTON - and in later years, those same
children would sometimes marry under the other name!!

BRECKNOCK is generally accepted as an ancient Welsh name - and, so far, we
have not found a marriage which would have introduced the "COLTON" into the
family - yet there must be some explanation for this curious usage.

At present, I am in touch with others who, like myself, descend >from a
COLTON line and none of us found anything to resolve this puzzle. However,
one of us has agreed with me that we had heard something of a Jewish
heritage >from now-deceased relatives. Unfortunately, this was long before
we took up our genealogical research! One passed-down theory is that there
was a connection with Eastern Europe and that the COLTON name may have been
passed down the female line. The only other "clues", if they can be called
that, are that there were several ancestors fore-named Israel among the
various BRECKNOCK, BREAKWELL and COLTON branches.

We realize we are reaching a long way back, when records were sparse, but
would be grateful for any advice or information anyone may have. For
instance - is there an old Jewish cemetery in Brecon?

Regards,
Janice JONES
Winnipeg, Manitoba,Canada
PAMPEL #unitedkingdom

malcolm katz <malkikatz9361@...>
 

I am looking for any information on MICHAEL SOLOMON
son of ANSHEL LEVI PAMPEL married CHANA(HANNAH)
NEWFOULT daughter of ISRAEL NEFELT married in the
Great Synagogue,London 13/11/1805 ive got this from
the Great Synagogue marriage records 1791-1850 does
anyone know anywhere else i can look for information
on this period.
Many thanks
Malki Katz





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JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom PAMPEL #unitedkingdom

malcolm katz <malkikatz9361@...>
 

I am looking for any information on MICHAEL SOLOMON
son of ANSHEL LEVI PAMPEL married CHANA(HANNAH)
NEWFOULT daughter of ISRAEL NEFELT married in the
Great Synagogue,London 13/11/1805 ive got this from
the Great Synagogue marriage records 1791-1850 does
anyone know anywhere else i can look for information
on this period.
Many thanks
Malki Katz





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Fw: Searching for Swarcz in Szeged #hungary

Catherine Adam <cia@...>
 

The last address I have for the Jewish Community Office is: Gutenberg
utca XXXXXXXXXX

The Great Synagogue is not to be missed. On the wall in the foyer are the
list of those who perished in the Holocaust. I can't remember the hours
during which it's open but the man collecting the entry fee, Tamas, is
quite
knowledgeable and speaks english.

As well, just around the corner, in the community centre, there is
congregate dining and a kosher lunchroom available to the elderly
remnants
of the once 5000 strong Jewish population of Szeged. if you speak
hungarian,
I'm sure you can gain some valuable in formation.
Contact info for Jewish communities is also on the Hungarian webpage
referred to earlier by Gabor Hirsch.

Please contact me off line if you need more info.

Catherine Adam
Toronto, Canada
Searching for SHONTHAL, KULPIN, KOHN (Godollo) , KLEIN, ADAM, GRUNHAUT,
MARTON, LOWY
Subject: Searching for SCHWARZ in Szeged
From: "Ed Zwieback" <ezwieback@uclalumni.net>
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 14:22:45 -0700
X-Message-Number: 2


I'm searching for the family of Max SCHWARZ, born about 1850
Nagykanizsa,
and living in Szeged in 1913. His location is based on Max SCHWARZ
noted
as
a surviving brother in the Vienna death record of his brother Leopold.
Is there a Jewish Community Office in Szeged that I could contact
regardin
Re: Croatian Records #hungary

Ed Zwieback <ezwieback@...>
 

My first suggestion is to look at my info at
http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/Croatia.htm . If you have specific
questions , I would be glad to try and help.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Zwieback
Long Beach, CA
with personal family at http://ezwieback.com/ZPK-p/index.htm

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-Subject: Croatia
From: Danielle James <daniandw@chariot.net.au>
Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 16:35:47 +0930
X-Message-Number: 2

Dear H-Siggers,

Could someone please tell me which SIG I should look onto to find relatives
from Croatia.
Kindest wishes to all,

Danielle
South Australia
Hungary SIG #Hungary Fw: Searching for Swarcz in Szeged #hungary

Catherine Adam <cia@...>
 

The last address I have for the Jewish Community Office is: Gutenberg
utca XXXXXXXXXX

The Great Synagogue is not to be missed. On the wall in the foyer are the
list of those who perished in the Holocaust. I can't remember the hours
during which it's open but the man collecting the entry fee, Tamas, is
quite
knowledgeable and speaks english.

As well, just around the corner, in the community centre, there is
congregate dining and a kosher lunchroom available to the elderly
remnants
of the once 5000 strong Jewish population of Szeged. if you speak
hungarian,
I'm sure you can gain some valuable in formation.
Contact info for Jewish communities is also on the Hungarian webpage
referred to earlier by Gabor Hirsch.

Please contact me off line if you need more info.

Catherine Adam
Toronto, Canada
Searching for SHONTHAL, KULPIN, KOHN (Godollo) , KLEIN, ADAM, GRUNHAUT,
MARTON, LOWY
Subject: Searching for SCHWARZ in Szeged
From: "Ed Zwieback" <ezwieback@uclalumni.net>
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 14:22:45 -0700
X-Message-Number: 2


I'm searching for the family of Max SCHWARZ, born about 1850
Nagykanizsa,
and living in Szeged in 1913. His location is based on Max SCHWARZ
noted
as
a surviving brother in the Vienna death record of his brother Leopold.
Is there a Jewish Community Office in Szeged that I could contact
regardin
Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Croatian Records #hungary

Ed Zwieback <ezwieback@...>
 

My first suggestion is to look at my info at
http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/Croatia.htm . If you have specific
questions , I would be glad to try and help.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Zwieback
Long Beach, CA
with personal family at http://ezwieback.com/ZPK-p/index.htm

-------------------------------
-Subject: Croatia
From: Danielle James <daniandw@chariot.net.au>
Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 16:35:47 +0930
X-Message-Number: 2

Dear H-Siggers,

Could someone please tell me which SIG I should look onto to find relatives
from Croatia.
Kindest wishes to all,

Danielle
South Australia
The Schmulowitzes (and Schwartzes) of Scranton (and Michalovce, Hungary) circa 1900 #hungary

yehuda frischman
 

Dear Friends,

I have not written to the group concerning our family
mystery for about 4 years. Now with the help of a
cousin who I found through this group, much of the the
mystery has been solved, and even more we are close to
tracking down.

I had written asking for anyone who know of
Schmulowitzes or Schwartzes >from Scranton, Pa, and
specifically asking about Josef Schwartz (my paternal
GGF), Mosie Schwartz, his son who had married his
cousin >from the family of New England Stationery of
Boston, and Rae Weber and Anton Schmulowitz who were
each distant cousins, the specifice relation
undetermined. I also mentioned that Rae Weber, who
passed away just a couple of years ago, had mentioned
to my sister that there had been 3 Schmulowitz
brothers, all in the grocery business in Scranton, and
that because they were worried about the impression of
a family monopoly, my grandfather had changed his name
to Schwartz.

I heard back >from Douglas Cohen, of LEXINGTON, Mass,
and to make a long story shorter, we together
determined that Josef Schwartz was actually Josef
Schmulowitz, and that he had taken his wife Resi's
maiden name. Furthermore, Resi was one of four
children of Isaac and Toba Schwartz, along with Sarah
Schwartz Friedman, (the wife of Sol Friedman of New
England Stationery) Edward Elias Schwartz, and Samuel
Schwartz (Doug's GGF). Toba Schwartz was the daughter
of Shmuel and Rochel Schmulowitz! So indeed, Mosie
Schwartz did marry his cousin Eva, the daughter of
Sarah Schwartz Friedman. I was also able to travel
to Har Hazeisim in JERUSALEM, and found Josef
Schwartz's matzeva. He was Yosef ben Baruch.

Just this week I revisited the SCRANTON 1900 census
and in summary, we now know the follow:

1. The patriarch of the Schmulowitz family, who I
suspect never came over >from Europe and who I know for
sure was Joe Schartz's father was Baruch Schmulowitz.
Doug and I suspect that he may have also been the
brother of Toba Schmulowitz (who married Isaac
Schwartz and who was the mother of Resi (Joe Schwartz
Schmulowitzes wife), Edward Elias Schwartz, Sarah
Schwartz, and Samuel Schwartz.

2. Toba Schmulowitz Schwartz's (and Baruch
Schmulowitz's?) parents were Schmuel and Rachel
Schmulowitz

3. There were at least 4 Schmulowitz siblings: 1.
Josef Schwartz, who took his wife's (and maybe his
aunt Toba's) maiden name Schmulowitz, 2. Raizy who
married Max Weber and who was the mother of Rae Weber,
and two Schmulowitz brothers who lived next door to
Josef Schartz in 1900: 3.Toni, and 4. Harry.

To confirm this theory,still need to have someone
check out the matzevas of Raizy Weber, Toni
Schmulowitz and Harry Schmulowitz, to check dates and
more important, to see if their father's name was
Baruch. That would ascertain 99% this theory.

All that would be left to verify would be other
possible siblings and the Europe connection.

Back in 2002 when I last wrote, I had heard back about
some Scranton and Wilkes Barre Schmulowitzes and
Schwartzes. Now that I have so much more info, I
would really appreciate hearing >from anyone able to
add more pieces to the puzzle.

Thanks,

Yehuda Frischman, L.Ac., CST, SER, TJM
LOS ANGELES
Re: Is there an east coast US point of entry other than Ellis Island? #hungary

Gary Mokotoff: <mokotoff@...>
 

There were other ports of entry other than New York. The most common were
Boston, Philadelphia and Baltimore. Another reason you might not find
persons in the Ellis Island Database is that they arrived in the U.S. after
1924.

Gary Mokotoff
Hungary SIG #Hungary The Schmulowitzes (and Schwartzes) of Scranton (and Michalovce, Hungary) circa 1900 #hungary

yehuda frischman
 

Dear Friends,

I have not written to the group concerning our family
mystery for about 4 years. Now with the help of a
cousin who I found through this group, much of the the
mystery has been solved, and even more we are close to
tracking down.

I had written asking for anyone who know of
Schmulowitzes or Schwartzes >from Scranton, Pa, and
specifically asking about Josef Schwartz (my paternal
GGF), Mosie Schwartz, his son who had married his
cousin >from the family of New England Stationery of
Boston, and Rae Weber and Anton Schmulowitz who were
each distant cousins, the specifice relation
undetermined. I also mentioned that Rae Weber, who
passed away just a couple of years ago, had mentioned
to my sister that there had been 3 Schmulowitz
brothers, all in the grocery business in Scranton, and
that because they were worried about the impression of
a family monopoly, my grandfather had changed his name
to Schwartz.

I heard back >from Douglas Cohen, of LEXINGTON, Mass,
and to make a long story shorter, we together
determined that Josef Schwartz was actually Josef
Schmulowitz, and that he had taken his wife Resi's
maiden name. Furthermore, Resi was one of four
children of Isaac and Toba Schwartz, along with Sarah
Schwartz Friedman, (the wife of Sol Friedman of New
England Stationery) Edward Elias Schwartz, and Samuel
Schwartz (Doug's GGF). Toba Schwartz was the daughter
of Shmuel and Rochel Schmulowitz! So indeed, Mosie
Schwartz did marry his cousin Eva, the daughter of
Sarah Schwartz Friedman. I was also able to travel
to Har Hazeisim in JERUSALEM, and found Josef
Schwartz's matzeva. He was Yosef ben Baruch.

Just this week I revisited the SCRANTON 1900 census
and in summary, we now know the follow:

1. The patriarch of the Schmulowitz family, who I
suspect never came over >from Europe and who I know for
sure was Joe Schartz's father was Baruch Schmulowitz.
Doug and I suspect that he may have also been the
brother of Toba Schmulowitz (who married Isaac
Schwartz and who was the mother of Resi (Joe Schwartz
Schmulowitzes wife), Edward Elias Schwartz, Sarah
Schwartz, and Samuel Schwartz.

2. Toba Schmulowitz Schwartz's (and Baruch
Schmulowitz's?) parents were Schmuel and Rachel
Schmulowitz

3. There were at least 4 Schmulowitz siblings: 1.
Josef Schwartz, who took his wife's (and maybe his
aunt Toba's) maiden name Schmulowitz, 2. Raizy who
married Max Weber and who was the mother of Rae Weber,
and two Schmulowitz brothers who lived next door to
Josef Schartz in 1900: 3.Toni, and 4. Harry.

To confirm this theory,still need to have someone
check out the matzevas of Raizy Weber, Toni
Schmulowitz and Harry Schmulowitz, to check dates and
more important, to see if their father's name was
Baruch. That would ascertain 99% this theory.

All that would be left to verify would be other
possible siblings and the Europe connection.

Back in 2002 when I last wrote, I had heard back about
some Scranton and Wilkes Barre Schmulowitzes and
Schwartzes. Now that I have so much more info, I
would really appreciate hearing >from anyone able to
add more pieces to the puzzle.

Thanks,

Yehuda Frischman, L.Ac., CST, SER, TJM
LOS ANGELES
Hungary SIG #Hungary RE:Is there an east coast US point of entry other than Ellis Island? #hungary

Gary Mokotoff: <mokotoff@...>
 

There were other ports of entry other than New York. The most common were
Boston, Philadelphia and Baltimore. Another reason you might not find
persons in the Ellis Island Database is that they arrived in the U.S. after
1924.

Gary Mokotoff
Re: Could use help reading Ellis Island Manifest #hungary

Sandor Bacskai <bacskaisanyi@...>
 

Dear Stephen R. Low,

Just an idea, but can you hear Wermady as NYIRMADA in Szabolcs
county? It was called Nyir-Mad many years ago.

Regards,

Sandor Bacskai
Budapest, Hungary

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Subject: Fw: Could use help reading Ellis Island Manifest
From: "Stephen R. Low" <steve.low@gordianconcepts.com>
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 14:07:35 -0400
X-Message-Number: 1

If anyone can help me with an accurate reading of an Ellis Island =20
manifest
it would be very helpful=85 I am unsure of his town of origin, which =20=
is repeated in the next column. The
index records this as "Wermady," but Google finds no such place.

Regards,
Steve Low
Lincoln MA
Croatia #hungary

Danielle James <daniandw@...>
 

Dear H-Siggers,

I have found out that my gt-grandmother, Malvine Prager (nee Pollack),
was born in Jaska in 1854, her father was Siegmund Pollack and mother
Charlotte (nee Spitzer). Malvine married ____ Prager (his given name;
and marriage where and when unknown). My grandfather Oskar Prager was
born in Kesztheley, Hungary. Oskar married Mela Bronner (where and
when unknown)

Jews born in Jaska were registered in in the Register book of birth of
Jewish religious community for Karlovac (for the period 1853-1880)
which is about 25 kilometers >from Jaska.

My search now includes:

PRAGER-
OSKAR PRAGER - Kesztheley, Hungary
POLLACK - (or POLLAK) - Jaska or Karlovac, Croatia
SPITZER

It appears that the family moved around quite a bit and I am not sure
of the actual origins of the PRAGER, POLLACK (or POLLAK), SPITZER
lines.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thank you


Danielle
South Australia
Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Could use help reading Ellis Island Manifest #hungary

Sandor Bacskai <bacskaisanyi@...>
 

Dear Stephen R. Low,

Just an idea, but can you hear Wermady as NYIRMADA in Szabolcs
county? It was called Nyir-Mad many years ago.

Regards,

Sandor Bacskai
Budapest, Hungary

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Fw: Could use help reading Ellis Island Manifest
From: "Stephen R. Low" <steve.low@gordianconcepts.com>
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 14:07:35 -0400
X-Message-Number: 1

If anyone can help me with an accurate reading of an Ellis Island =20
manifest
it would be very helpful=85 I am unsure of his town of origin, which =20=
is repeated in the next column. The
index records this as "Wermady," but Google finds no such place.

Regards,
Steve Low
Lincoln MA
Hungary SIG #Hungary Croatia #hungary

Danielle James <daniandw@...>
 

Dear H-Siggers,

I have found out that my gt-grandmother, Malvine Prager (nee Pollack),
was born in Jaska in 1854, her father was Siegmund Pollack and mother
Charlotte (nee Spitzer). Malvine married ____ Prager (his given name;
and marriage where and when unknown). My grandfather Oskar Prager was
born in Kesztheley, Hungary. Oskar married Mela Bronner (where and
when unknown)

Jews born in Jaska were registered in in the Register book of birth of
Jewish religious community for Karlovac (for the period 1853-1880)
which is about 25 kilometers >from Jaska.

My search now includes:

PRAGER-
OSKAR PRAGER - Kesztheley, Hungary
POLLACK - (or POLLAK) - Jaska or Karlovac, Croatia
SPITZER

It appears that the family moved around quite a bit and I am not sure
of the actual origins of the PRAGER, POLLACK (or POLLAK), SPITZER
lines.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thank you


Danielle
South Australia
Re: Shochtim/Ritual Slaughterers #rabbinic

Larry Tauber <ltauber@...>
 

On 2006.05.23, Karen Rosenfeld <roekard@lmi.net> wrote:

Both of my grandfathers were Shochtim (and Bodkim) in Galicia [...]
my parents implied that the Schochtim [...] had to be impeccable in
reputation and behavior. Is this just parents trying to impress
children with a sense of Yichus? [...]
I assume the position was hereditary?
A schochet did have to have a good reputation and be considered a
personal of high moral standing otherwise he would not be trusted to
be acting properly. Many shochtim had Yeshiva backgrounds and even
smicha since they had to know the laws of kashrut and ritual
slaughter. In smaller communities, the rabbi may have also acted as
the shochet (as was the case with my grandfather who was the rabbi
of a congregation in Greenfield Park, NY and was also the shochet).
The position is not hereditary, although I suppose that many
shochtim did teach their children the trade.

Larry Tauber
Staten Island
Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic RE: Shochtim/Ritual Slaughterers #rabbinic

Larry Tauber <ltauber@...>
 

On 2006.05.23, Karen Rosenfeld <roekard@lmi.net> wrote:

Both of my grandfathers were Shochtim (and Bodkim) in Galicia [...]
my parents implied that the Schochtim [...] had to be impeccable in
reputation and behavior. Is this just parents trying to impress
children with a sense of Yichus? [...]
I assume the position was hereditary?
A schochet did have to have a good reputation and be considered a
personal of high moral standing otherwise he would not be trusted to
be acting properly. Many shochtim had Yeshiva backgrounds and even
smicha since they had to know the laws of kashrut and ritual
slaughter. In smaller communities, the rabbi may have also acted as
the shochet (as was the case with my grandfather who was the rabbi
of a congregation in Greenfield Park, NY and was also the shochet).
The position is not hereditary, although I suppose that many
shochtim did teach their children the trade.

Larry Tauber
Staten Island
Balaban/pomper #unitedkingdom

Alan Harris <alan201150@...>
 

Can anyone shed any light on what became of my grandparents family that
remained in Poland after they came to England. Rumour has it he had 7
brothers in Poland but we do not have any ideas apart >from my mother saying
she had cousins in California but I have nothing to go on.

Grandfathers name was Eliiasz Moszek Balaban [Eliash Malik Balabai] son of
Jacob Gersh and Ides ? nee Shwarzkop. Grandmothers name Estera Laia Pomper
daughter of Levak deceased and Sura Ruthea born in Raciaz. >from records
found in Plock Gubernia Raciaz PSA they married 18th Feb 1895.

Eliiasz arrived in London about 1902 and worked at the London Hospital in
the mortuary apparently. Estera arrived in 1904 with 2 sons Louis,David and
daughter Ray. Family name became Levy then son Louis changed his to Bourne
for business reasons .Louis married 3 times and had 3 daughters Evelyn,Delia
and Golda. David married and had no children.Ray married Moshe and had 2
daughters Seena & Joyce. Eliiasz & Estera went on to have one son Sid and 3
daughters Betty,Anne & Milly.He opened in the 1930s a butcher shop in Grove
Street E1 London where he was known as Aliyah Moshe.Any help and advice
appreciated.

Alan Harris London.
JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Balaban/pomper #unitedkingdom

Alan Harris <alan201150@...>
 

Can anyone shed any light on what became of my grandparents family that
remained in Poland after they came to England. Rumour has it he had 7
brothers in Poland but we do not have any ideas apart >from my mother saying
she had cousins in California but I have nothing to go on.

Grandfathers name was Eliiasz Moszek Balaban [Eliash Malik Balabai] son of
Jacob Gersh and Ides ? nee Shwarzkop. Grandmothers name Estera Laia Pomper
daughter of Levak deceased and Sura Ruthea born in Raciaz. >from records
found in Plock Gubernia Raciaz PSA they married 18th Feb 1895.

Eliiasz arrived in London about 1902 and worked at the London Hospital in
the mortuary apparently. Estera arrived in 1904 with 2 sons Louis,David and
daughter Ray. Family name became Levy then son Louis changed his to Bourne
for business reasons .Louis married 3 times and had 3 daughters Evelyn,Delia
and Golda. David married and had no children.Ray married Moshe and had 2
daughters Seena & Joyce. Eliiasz & Estera went on to have one son Sid and 3
daughters Betty,Anne & Milly.He opened in the 1930s a butcher shop in Grove
Street E1 London where he was known as Aliyah Moshe.Any help and advice
appreciated.

Alan Harris London.
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