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Letter to the Stars - Vienna, May 5 2006 #austria-czech

robert fraser <robertandginafraser@...>
 

Dear Friends -

As part of six weeks of travelling in Austria, Czech Republic, Latvia and
Estonia, I was privileged to be present at the May 5 commemoration of
deportations >from Austria.
Herewith a few comments.

The sun was shining on May 5 and Vienna put on it's best summer weather,
with the chestnut trees in full blossom. As we approached the
Stephansplatz, thousand of schoolkids were milling around and we worried
about getting a place where we could see anything. Not to worry though, an
area by the side of Stephansdom was fenced off with seats for special
visitors and "oldies" - that is, anyone not a schoolkid!

Part of the space was fenced off to accommodate the 50,000 white roses, a
veritable ocean of them. A stage and large screen were already set up and
the screen showed films of the project and previous events. Then, some time
late (not untypical for Vienna), it started. I don't recall the names of those
who participated, but there were talks by several prominent people within the
project. Several holocaust survivors were led on separately, each
accompanied by a school child. The child read a potted history of each
survivor's life; where they came from, where they were deported to, how they
survived etc. Then the survivor spoke in similar vein. Some had lived
through several concentration camps and even death marches. They weren't all
Jewish. Some were Sinti (Gypsies) some clergy, some Communists, but all were
Austrians who were deported.

Live music was provided, and two elderly sisters, who survived, played some
music (I think Chopin) for four hands on one piano. Finally, a long line of
kids walked on stage with handcards with one letter each to spell out the
words "Flowers For Remembrance" (In German, of course). Then some visitors
form overseas, mainly California, it seemed, took flowers and told the
audience to whom they were dedicating their flowers, mostly relatives who
didn't survive the Holocaust.

Whilst all this was going one, many of the audience, by pre-arrangement,
were writing name tags of victims and attaching them to bunches of roses,
to be later distributed by the kids on the doorsteps of their last known
addresses.

There were many flowers left, so Gina and I took a bunch and later laid them
at the Judenplatz memorial. Others appeared to have done the same.

That afternoon, we walked along Zirkusgasse, which contains the last
know address of many victims, and saw flowers laid on the doorsteps -
already faded >from the sun.

I'm glad we were able to be present. It was extremely moving and a wonderful
effort.

For more details, see http://www.lettertothestars.at

Robert W Fraser
Dianella, Western Australia
robertandginafraser@iinet.net.au


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Letter to the Stars - Vienna, May 5 2006 #austria-czech

robert fraser <robertandginafraser@...>
 

Dear Friends -

As part of six weeks of travelling in Austria, Czech Republic, Latvia and
Estonia, I was privileged to be present at the May 5 commemoration of
deportations >from Austria.
Herewith a few comments.

The sun was shining on May 5 and Vienna put on it's best summer weather,
with the chestnut trees in full blossom. As we approached the
Stephansplatz, thousand of schoolkids were milling around and we worried
about getting a place where we could see anything. Not to worry though, an
area by the side of Stephansdom was fenced off with seats for special
visitors and "oldies" - that is, anyone not a schoolkid!

Part of the space was fenced off to accommodate the 50,000 white roses, a
veritable ocean of them. A stage and large screen were already set up and
the screen showed films of the project and previous events. Then, some time
late (not untypical for Vienna), it started. I don't recall the names of those
who participated, but there were talks by several prominent people within the
project. Several holocaust survivors were led on separately, each
accompanied by a school child. The child read a potted history of each
survivor's life; where they came from, where they were deported to, how they
survived etc. Then the survivor spoke in similar vein. Some had lived
through several concentration camps and even death marches. They weren't all
Jewish. Some were Sinti (Gypsies) some clergy, some Communists, but all were
Austrians who were deported.

Live music was provided, and two elderly sisters, who survived, played some
music (I think Chopin) for four hands on one piano. Finally, a long line of
kids walked on stage with handcards with one letter each to spell out the
words "Flowers For Remembrance" (In German, of course). Then some visitors
form overseas, mainly California, it seemed, took flowers and told the
audience to whom they were dedicating their flowers, mostly relatives who
didn't survive the Holocaust.

Whilst all this was going one, many of the audience, by pre-arrangement,
were writing name tags of victims and attaching them to bunches of roses,
to be later distributed by the kids on the doorsteps of their last known
addresses.

There were many flowers left, so Gina and I took a bunch and later laid them
at the Judenplatz memorial. Others appeared to have done the same.

That afternoon, we walked along Zirkusgasse, which contains the last
know address of many victims, and saw flowers laid on the doorsteps -
already faded >from the sun.

I'm glad we were able to be present. It was extremely moving and a wonderful
effort.

For more details, see http://www.lettertothestars.at

Robert W Fraser
Dianella, Western Australia
robertandginafraser@iinet.net.au


The Hebrew equivalent of Vilmos #hungary

Amos Israel Zezmer <amos.zezmer@...>
 

Would anyone know the Hebrew equivalent(s) of the given name Vilmos? Is
there anywhere on the web where one can look up secular given names and
their Hebrew equivalents?

Thank you.

Amos Zezmer
Yerres, France
Researching SPIEGEL, ROTH, MOSKOVIC, SCHLANGER, BLEIER, ACKERMAN in
Zemplen, Vel'ké Kapusany, Humenné, Klyucharki, Mukacheve

Moderator: As countless subscribers have previously indicated, there are no fixed Hungarian counterparts to Yiddish or Hebrew counterparts for Hungarian names and, conversely and no fixed Yiddish or Hebrew versions of secular Hungarian names. Those who wanted to Magyarize their shtetl names might pick a name that sounded similar or began with the same letter but might as easily pick a name that bore no resemblance whatsoever. Check the Hungarian SIG archives for the many discussions that we've had on this topic and for on-line references. Please respond off-list if you have specific suggestions.


Hungary SIG #Hungary The Hebrew equivalent of Vilmos #hungary

Amos Israel Zezmer <amos.zezmer@...>
 

Would anyone know the Hebrew equivalent(s) of the given name Vilmos? Is
there anywhere on the web where one can look up secular given names and
their Hebrew equivalents?

Thank you.

Amos Zezmer
Yerres, France
Researching SPIEGEL, ROTH, MOSKOVIC, SCHLANGER, BLEIER, ACKERMAN in
Zemplen, Vel'ké Kapusany, Humenné, Klyucharki, Mukacheve

Moderator: As countless subscribers have previously indicated, there are no fixed Hungarian counterparts to Yiddish or Hebrew counterparts for Hungarian names and, conversely and no fixed Yiddish or Hebrew versions of secular Hungarian names. Those who wanted to Magyarize their shtetl names might pick a name that sounded similar or began with the same letter but might as easily pick a name that bore no resemblance whatsoever. Check the Hungarian SIG archives for the many discussions that we've had on this topic and for on-line references. Please respond off-list if you have specific suggestions.


Re: looking for relatives in US #hungary

sinespam@...
 

Is there any chance that your family name might have been Americanized to "Beragi"? My WEISSBURG family tree includes a Stella Beragi, who married Zoltan Weissburg and moved to Chicago. They had one son, Morley (who apparently changed his name to Stanley Whitehill), born in 1918.

Dan

--
BRESLAU/BRESLOW/BRESLOVSKI, COHEN (Russia),
SCHREIBER, GRAD, ROSENBAUM, DEUTSCH, GLUCK,
WEISSBURG, ROSENBERG, NEUVOHNER (Hungary),
LANDAU, GOTTLIEB (Austria)


EPSTEIN Family Y-DNA Study #hungary

Itzhak Epstein
 

Several EPSTEINs have joined in a Family Tree DNA=20
=96 JewishGen surname project.
Painless mouth swab genetic testing procedures are being used as a promising
tool for breaking through our genealogical brick walls. It might help you
to greatly expand your family tree, and may also help our surname project.

To the best of our knowledge, the EPSTEINs emerged in Germany in the early
15th century. By the late 19th century, the surname was prominent in and=
near
what is now Belarus, and moderately present elsewhere in eastern and central
Europe. It is reasonable to assume that many Epsteins in the Russian=
Empire,
especially in Byelorussia, adopted the surname in the early 19th century or
changed to it later to avoid the draft. It is=20
also likely that Epsteins in Hungary,
for instance, probably held that surname for several centuries.
Y-DNA testing will hopefully shed light on this issue.

We have identified members of one paternal lineage that has borne the
Epstein surname for several centuries. There are hints of another old line.
Most of the project's current members, however, are patrilineally unrelated
to each other. In addition, most of us have discovered patrilineal
relationships to men whose surnames are not EPSTEIN. Most of us trace
our ancestry to eastern Europe, and only two to Germany.

We are working on identifying the various branches of our principal cluster,
on exploring additional clusters, and on connecting our unrelated
members to cousins. To accomplish these goals and to create as broad
a search as possible, we need more male Epsteins to contribute a
cheek swab as a DNA sample. If you are female EPSTEIN or an EPSTEIN
through female ancestors, a sample >from an EPSTEIN male relative can
represent your family in the test. If you are not an EPSTEIN, please share
this message with EPSTEINs who may want to participate in this project.

To join, go to
http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=3DR56553&;special=3Dtrue
The basic, and most affordable, twelve marker test will indicate to whom
you are probably related. The more advanced tests could help to identify
closer and more certain relationships. You can start with the 12 marker test
and add to it at a later date, using the same sample.

If you have any questions, please contact Marsha Epstein, our project's
volunteer administrator at epsteindna_admin@earthlink.net

Itzhak Epstein New York, NY
iegen@earthlink.net


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: looking for relatives in US #hungary

sinespam@...
 

Is there any chance that your family name might have been Americanized to "Beragi"? My WEISSBURG family tree includes a Stella Beragi, who married Zoltan Weissburg and moved to Chicago. They had one son, Morley (who apparently changed his name to Stanley Whitehill), born in 1918.

Dan

--
BRESLAU/BRESLOW/BRESLOVSKI, COHEN (Russia),
SCHREIBER, GRAD, ROSENBAUM, DEUTSCH, GLUCK,
WEISSBURG, ROSENBERG, NEUVOHNER (Hungary),
LANDAU, GOTTLIEB (Austria)


Hungary SIG #Hungary EPSTEIN Family Y-DNA Study #hungary

Itzhak Epstein
 

Several EPSTEINs have joined in a Family Tree DNA=20
=96 JewishGen surname project.
Painless mouth swab genetic testing procedures are being used as a promising
tool for breaking through our genealogical brick walls. It might help you
to greatly expand your family tree, and may also help our surname project.

To the best of our knowledge, the EPSTEINs emerged in Germany in the early
15th century. By the late 19th century, the surname was prominent in and=
near
what is now Belarus, and moderately present elsewhere in eastern and central
Europe. It is reasonable to assume that many Epsteins in the Russian=
Empire,
especially in Byelorussia, adopted the surname in the early 19th century or
changed to it later to avoid the draft. It is=20
also likely that Epsteins in Hungary,
for instance, probably held that surname for several centuries.
Y-DNA testing will hopefully shed light on this issue.

We have identified members of one paternal lineage that has borne the
Epstein surname for several centuries. There are hints of another old line.
Most of the project's current members, however, are patrilineally unrelated
to each other. In addition, most of us have discovered patrilineal
relationships to men whose surnames are not EPSTEIN. Most of us trace
our ancestry to eastern Europe, and only two to Germany.

We are working on identifying the various branches of our principal cluster,
on exploring additional clusters, and on connecting our unrelated
members to cousins. To accomplish these goals and to create as broad
a search as possible, we need more male Epsteins to contribute a
cheek swab as a DNA sample. If you are female EPSTEIN or an EPSTEIN
through female ancestors, a sample >from an EPSTEIN male relative can
represent your family in the test. If you are not an EPSTEIN, please share
this message with EPSTEINs who may want to participate in this project.

To join, go to
http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=3DR56553&;special=3Dtrue
The basic, and most affordable, twelve marker test will indicate to whom
you are probably related. The more advanced tests could help to identify
closer and more certain relationships. You can start with the 12 marker test
and add to it at a later date, using the same sample.

If you have any questions, please contact Marsha Epstein, our project's
volunteer administrator at epsteindna_admin@earthlink.net

Itzhak Epstein New York, NY
iegen@earthlink.net


Yiddish help translation #hungary

amira_m@...
 

Shalom -

I'm asking for your help in translating the marriage invite of Kroovand &
Shapira.

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/index.asp VM number 8007
"Translation >from Yiddish".

Direct link :
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8007


Please response directly to me - amira_m@masaryk.org.il

Thank you,
Amira Mashiah, Israel.
Searching for: Kruvand, Videlevsky, Gerskovic, Antopitzky.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Yiddish help translation #hungary

amira_m@...
 

Shalom -

I'm asking for your help in translating the marriage invite of Kroovand &
Shapira.

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/index.asp VM number 8007
"Translation >from Yiddish".

Direct link :
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=8007


Please response directly to me - amira_m@masaryk.org.il

Thank you,
Amira Mashiah, Israel.
Searching for: Kruvand, Videlevsky, Gerskovic, Antopitzky.


looking for relatives in US #hungary

Peter Berczi <peterberci@...>
 

Dear Siggers,

I need your help to find relatives in the US.

1. My paternal grandfather was Ge'za Be'rci (born
Berger, 1899-1959). He had a younger sister, Jola'n
Berger. She was born between 1900 and 1909 in
Lo'nyaba'nya (now Lovinobana, Slovakia). Her father
was Mo'r Berger (1872-1939), her mother Ade'l Lax
(1879-1935). There were other siblings: Alada'r
(1903-1945(?), Margit (?-?) and Zsigmond (1910-1976).
The family lived in Pesterzse'bet (now district 20 of
Budapest) >from the mid-1920s. As far as I know Jola'n
emigrated to the US, but I do not even know when. I
tried ellisisland.org , but no luck there.
She got married, and lived in the Bronx, NYC. I only
know that because Zsigmond's wife remembers they got
some parcels >from them even after the 1956 revolution,
but I do not have her husband's name or their address.


2. I was able to find my maternal grandmother's
parents, Jo'zsef Reich and Ilona Fu:rst on
ellisisland.org.
I'll try and place a link here:

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/index.asp?MID=07503083130238787104&;

On the ship manifest in column 16 you can read the
name Lewis Weisz, 440 124th (?) St, New York as their
relative. I have not met their name anywhere else
during my research.
My grandmother was born in NYC, and the family
returned to Hungary before WW1. My ggf fought in the
war. They settled down in Nyi'rtass, Szabolcs county,
and my great-grandparents were taken to Auschwitz in
1944. They most probably perished there. My
grandmother, Magdolna Reich, was lucky to survive, as
her calvinist husband, Gyo:rgy To:mo:sva'ry's brother
hid her and her two children.

If you happen to know about either of the families or
need more info please contact me at

peterberci@yahoo.com

All the best,

Peter
(Budapest)


Hungary SIG #Hungary looking for relatives in US #hungary

Peter Berczi <peterberci@...>
 

Dear Siggers,

I need your help to find relatives in the US.

1. My paternal grandfather was Ge'za Be'rci (born
Berger, 1899-1959). He had a younger sister, Jola'n
Berger. She was born between 1900 and 1909 in
Lo'nyaba'nya (now Lovinobana, Slovakia). Her father
was Mo'r Berger (1872-1939), her mother Ade'l Lax
(1879-1935). There were other siblings: Alada'r
(1903-1945(?), Margit (?-?) and Zsigmond (1910-1976).
The family lived in Pesterzse'bet (now district 20 of
Budapest) >from the mid-1920s. As far as I know Jola'n
emigrated to the US, but I do not even know when. I
tried ellisisland.org , but no luck there.
She got married, and lived in the Bronx, NYC. I only
know that because Zsigmond's wife remembers they got
some parcels >from them even after the 1956 revolution,
but I do not have her husband's name or their address.


2. I was able to find my maternal grandmother's
parents, Jo'zsef Reich and Ilona Fu:rst on
ellisisland.org.
I'll try and place a link here:

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/index.asp?MID=07503083130238787104&;

On the ship manifest in column 16 you can read the
name Lewis Weisz, 440 124th (?) St, New York as their
relative. I have not met their name anywhere else
during my research.
My grandmother was born in NYC, and the family
returned to Hungary before WW1. My ggf fought in the
war. They settled down in Nyi'rtass, Szabolcs county,
and my great-grandparents were taken to Auschwitz in
1944. They most probably perished there. My
grandmother, Magdolna Reich, was lucky to survive, as
her calvinist husband, Gyo:rgy To:mo:sva'ry's brother
hid her and her two children.

If you happen to know about either of the families or
need more info please contact me at

peterberci@yahoo.com

All the best,

Peter
(Budapest)


Re: Meeting "new" cousins #hungary

Israel P
 

If you are named for the same person - perhaps the mother of the two
grandfathers - it should make you feel even closer.

That is a fairly common occurence with second cousins and sometimes third
cousins.

Israel Pickholtz



Quoting H-SIG digest <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>:

Lots of similarities between us:

our maiden names were both Barbara Hartstein.

our grandfathers were brothers.


Re: ROSENBAUMs in Kisvarda #hungary

Sandor Bacskai <bacskaisanyi@...>
 

Dear Dan Breslau,

The Rosenbaum's who served as rabbis in Kisvarda, were Levis, and
named as Rosenbaum-Litsh. Since the dynasty founder Rabbi Moshe Chaim
Rosenbaum-Litsh born in Pozsony/Pressburg, and came >from
Szilagysomlyo to Kisvarda in 1898 only, I don't think relation.

Sincerely,

Sandor Bacskai
Budapest, Hungary

--------------------------

Subject: ROSENBAUMs in Kisvarda
From: Dan Breslau <sinespam@comcast.net>
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 00:26:42 -0400

My ggf, Edward ROSENBAUM, was the son of Leo ROSENBAUM of Kisvarda and
Cecilia (Cilly) WEISSBURG of Erdo Benye. The History of the Jews
of Kisvard/a, by Istvan Nezo, mentions two Leo ROSENBAUMs -- at
least, I think there must be two, as one was active in the synagogue in
1828, and another in 1933.
Naturally I'm curious to know if there's a family connection. Does
anyone have any more specific knowledge of the history of any or all of
these ROSENBAUMs?

Searching:
BRESLAU/BRESLOVSKI, COHEN (Belarus/Poland);
Cohen, Kanarek(?), Michaelski(?) (Poland);
SCHREIBER, GRAD, ROSENBAUM, DEUTSCH, GLUCK, NEUVOHNER,
WEISSBURG, KESTENBAUM, ROSENBERG, ADLER, FRISCH (Hungary);
LANDAU, GRUNFELD, GOTTLIEB, BECKER (Austria)


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Meeting "new" cousins #hungary

Israel P
 

If you are named for the same person - perhaps the mother of the two
grandfathers - it should make you feel even closer.

That is a fairly common occurence with second cousins and sometimes third
cousins.

Israel Pickholtz



Quoting H-SIG digest <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>:

Lots of similarities between us:

our maiden names were both Barbara Hartstein.

our grandfathers were brothers.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: ROSENBAUMs in Kisvarda #hungary

Sandor Bacskai <bacskaisanyi@...>
 

Dear Dan Breslau,

The Rosenbaum's who served as rabbis in Kisvarda, were Levis, and
named as Rosenbaum-Litsh. Since the dynasty founder Rabbi Moshe Chaim
Rosenbaum-Litsh born in Pozsony/Pressburg, and came >from
Szilagysomlyo to Kisvarda in 1898 only, I don't think relation.

Sincerely,

Sandor Bacskai
Budapest, Hungary

--------------------------

Subject: ROSENBAUMs in Kisvarda
From: Dan Breslau <sinespam@comcast.net>
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 00:26:42 -0400

My ggf, Edward ROSENBAUM, was the son of Leo ROSENBAUM of Kisvarda and
Cecilia (Cilly) WEISSBURG of Erdo Benye. The History of the Jews
of Kisvard/a, by Istvan Nezo, mentions two Leo ROSENBAUMs -- at
least, I think there must be two, as one was active in the synagogue in
1828, and another in 1933.
Naturally I'm curious to know if there's a family connection. Does
anyone have any more specific knowledge of the history of any or all of
these ROSENBAUMs?

Searching:
BRESLAU/BRESLOVSKI, COHEN (Belarus/Poland);
Cohen, Kanarek(?), Michaelski(?) (Poland);
SCHREIBER, GRAD, ROSENBAUM, DEUTSCH, GLUCK, NEUVOHNER,
WEISSBURG, KESTENBAUM, ROSENBERG, ADLER, FRISCH (Hungary);
LANDAU, GRUNFELD, GOTTLIEB, BECKER (Austria)


needs help in Buenos Aires #latinamerica

Safarismom@...
 

Dear Genners

I have nformation (death certificate numbers, volumn numbers etc) of 3
people who might be related to be late father, they share the same last name. I
have written (translated into spanish) to the Civil Registry in Buenos Aires
with all the information I have along with a personal check for copies of the
death certificates in December 2005. I have never received a reply >from
them or has my check been cashed.

Is there anyone in the group who can advise as to the best way to obtain
these copies.

Thank you for all your help, Muchas Gracias

Charlotte Rutta
Los Angeles Ca USA


Latin America #LatinAmerica needs help in Buenos Aires #latinamerica

Safarismom@...
 

Dear Genners

I have nformation (death certificate numbers, volumn numbers etc) of 3
people who might be related to be late father, they share the same last name. I
have written (translated into spanish) to the Civil Registry in Buenos Aires
with all the information I have along with a personal check for copies of the
death certificates in December 2005. I have never received a reply >from
them or has my check been cashed.

Is there anyone in the group who can advise as to the best way to obtain
these copies.

Thank you for all your help, Muchas Gracias

Charlotte Rutta
Los Angeles Ca USA


Who lived at 218 Cheetham Hill Rd, Manchester in 1914 #unitedkingdom

Leif Eriksson
 

Ralph Simansky, the father of my father in-law,lived
at 218 Cheetham Hill Road in Manchester UK at the time
for his marriage in 1914.

Is it possible to find out who else lived at this
address at the time?

Are there any directories for this period and where
would they be available?

I am most grateful for any clues, enable me to follow
it up when visiting UK next week.

Leif Eriksson (JGFF 149276)
Gemla SWEDEN

Alternative E-Mail: leif.e.a@hotmail.com

Searching:
David HYMAN b 1863 Wolkowich ->London 1880->Manchester
Ralph SIMANSKY b 1889 Suwalk ->Manchester 1905


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Who lived at 218 Cheetham Hill Rd, Manchester in 1914 #unitedkingdom

Leif Eriksson
 

Ralph Simansky, the father of my father in-law,lived
at 218 Cheetham Hill Road in Manchester UK at the time
for his marriage in 1914.

Is it possible to find out who else lived at this
address at the time?

Are there any directories for this period and where
would they be available?

I am most grateful for any clues, enable me to follow
it up when visiting UK next week.

Leif Eriksson (JGFF 149276)
Gemla SWEDEN

Alternative E-Mail: leif.e.a@hotmail.com

Searching:
David HYMAN b 1863 Wolkowich ->London 1880->Manchester
Ralph SIMANSKY b 1889 Suwalk ->Manchester 1905