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Nowa Slupia Project at the Kielce Archives #general

Erez Gotlieb <erezgot@...>
 

Dear Fellow Researchers,

The Jewish Records Indexing - Poland project is happy
to announce that the indices to all the Jewish vital
records of Nowa Slupia - not filmed by the LDS
(Mormons) - have been indexed by the JRI-Poland team
in Warsaw as part of the Kielce Polish State Archives
(PSA) Project.

Nowa Slupia is located in the Konskie powiat, 30.6
kilometers E of Kielce and 153.9 kilometers S of
Warsaw.

Summary of Nowa Slupia Records Being Indexed

There are more than 950 records being indexed as part
of this project. The types and years of records are
as follows:

Births: 1890-1901
Marriages: 1894-1901
Deaths: 1890-1901.

Surnames Found in the New Indices

These are the most common surnames found in the Nowa
Slupia indices.

BLUSZTEJN (32), CHAJBLUM (12), CUKER (24), CUKERMAN
(12), DRELICH (11), FELDMAN (20), FROCHTMAN (42),
GERSZENCHORN (11), GOLDGROB (13), GRYNBAUM (13),
GRYNBLAT (15), GRYNFOGEL (12), GRYNGLAS (17), GUTWILEN
(25), KAC (16), KLAJNBERG (16), ROTFOGEL (40),
ROTSZTEJN (21), SANEK (13), WAJNSZTOK (26), WAJSBLAT
(26).

If you would like to know the number of times any
surname appears in the new indices or more about the
Nowa Slupia project or may be interested in becoming
the Nowa Slupia Town Leader, please contact me at:
erezgot@yahoo.com.

Many other towns in the Kielce area are part of this
project. If you are interested in any other town in
the Kielce area, please contact me at
erezgot@yahoo.com.

Best wishes and Peace on Israel,
Erez Gotlieb, Tenafly, New Jersey, erezgot@yahoo.com
Kielce PSA Project


Re: Question about Surname "German" and "Shapiro" #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:35:43 UTC, harmanhoog@comcast.net (Diane Harman-Hoog)
opined:

When I do a Soundex search on sounds like "German" in the databases, I also
get returns for the name Shapiro. Does anyone know what the connection is?
There is no connection. It is an artifact of the specific soundex system.
The whole idea of soundex is data compression. The more you compress, the
more ambiguity you will have. The example you have found is an illustration
of that fact.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Nowa Slupia Project at the Kielce Archives #general

Erez Gotlieb <erezgot@...>
 

Dear Fellow Researchers,

The Jewish Records Indexing - Poland project is happy
to announce that the indices to all the Jewish vital
records of Nowa Slupia - not filmed by the LDS
(Mormons) - have been indexed by the JRI-Poland team
in Warsaw as part of the Kielce Polish State Archives
(PSA) Project.

Nowa Slupia is located in the Konskie powiat, 30.6
kilometers E of Kielce and 153.9 kilometers S of
Warsaw.

Summary of Nowa Slupia Records Being Indexed

There are more than 950 records being indexed as part
of this project. The types and years of records are
as follows:

Births: 1890-1901
Marriages: 1894-1901
Deaths: 1890-1901.

Surnames Found in the New Indices

These are the most common surnames found in the Nowa
Slupia indices.

BLUSZTEJN (32), CHAJBLUM (12), CUKER (24), CUKERMAN
(12), DRELICH (11), FELDMAN (20), FROCHTMAN (42),
GERSZENCHORN (11), GOLDGROB (13), GRYNBAUM (13),
GRYNBLAT (15), GRYNFOGEL (12), GRYNGLAS (17), GUTWILEN
(25), KAC (16), KLAJNBERG (16), ROTFOGEL (40),
ROTSZTEJN (21), SANEK (13), WAJNSZTOK (26), WAJSBLAT
(26).

If you would like to know the number of times any
surname appears in the new indices or more about the
Nowa Slupia project or may be interested in becoming
the Nowa Slupia Town Leader, please contact me at:
erezgot@yahoo.com.

Many other towns in the Kielce area are part of this
project. If you are interested in any other town in
the Kielce area, please contact me at
erezgot@yahoo.com.

Best wishes and Peace on Israel,
Erez Gotlieb, Tenafly, New Jersey, erezgot@yahoo.com
Kielce PSA Project


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Question about Surname "German" and "Shapiro" #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:35:43 UTC, harmanhoog@comcast.net (Diane Harman-Hoog)
opined:

When I do a Soundex search on sounds like "German" in the databases, I also
get returns for the name Shapiro. Does anyone know what the connection is?
There is no connection. It is an artifact of the specific soundex system.
The whole idea of soundex is data compression. The more you compress, the
more ambiguity you will have. The example you have found is an illustration
of that fact.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.


H-SIG Schedule at NYC Conference #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

Dear All,

The entire IAJGS Conference Schedule can be viewed on-line or
downloaded >from the Conference website http://www.jgsny2006.org/ in
various formats. The H-SIG luncheon with guest speaker Elaine Kalman
Naves will be on Tuesday >from 12:30-1:45 pm. This event is sold out.

Our business meeting will be on Thursday >from 1:15-2:30 pm.

Check the conference schedule for other sessions of particular
interest to H-SIG members.

I'm looking forward to seeing many old friends and meeting new ones.
Wishing you all a safe and not too difficult trip to NYC.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA
Hungarian SIG Coordinator


Hungary SIG #Hungary H-SIG Schedule at NYC Conference #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

Dear All,

The entire IAJGS Conference Schedule can be viewed on-line or
downloaded >from the Conference website http://www.jgsny2006.org/ in
various formats. The H-SIG luncheon with guest speaker Elaine Kalman
Naves will be on Tuesday >from 12:30-1:45 pm. This event is sold out.

Our business meeting will be on Thursday >from 1:15-2:30 pm.

Check the conference schedule for other sessions of particular
interest to H-SIG members.

I'm looking forward to seeing many old friends and meeting new ones.
Wishing you all a safe and not too difficult trip to NYC.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA
Hungarian SIG Coordinator


NY Conference #hungary

John J Kovacs <j.kovacs@...>
 

If you are interested in making a trip to Hungary and
doing some research there you may be interested to
attend the session on Thursday, August 17 11:00 AM to
12:15 PM entitled "Bring your Ancestors to Life! Go
Where They Walked" 417, in the O'Neill/Fourth Floor.

Besides Hungary, the second half of the presentation
is a very interesting and detailed "how to" travel to
the Western Ukraine.
John (Janos) Kovacs


Need help in Buenos Aires #hungary

B. Frederics <picturethisfilm@...>
 

Go to Jewishgen.com and sign up with Latam-Sig, the Latin America SIG.
They'll help you, they did me.

Regards,
Bonnie Frederics
Tucson, AZ
picturethisfilm@email.com
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Subject: Need help in Buenos Aires
From: "Hansmartin Unger" <hans-martinunger@freesurf.ch>
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 16:37:31 +0200
X-Message-Number: 2

I'm looking for contacts in Buenos Aires who may be able to help me in =
my
searching for Rosina ADLER. Very best,

H M UNGER, St. Gallen Switzerland <hans-martinunger@freesurf.ch>


Hungary SIG #Hungary NY Conference #hungary

John J Kovacs <j.kovacs@...>
 

If you are interested in making a trip to Hungary and
doing some research there you may be interested to
attend the session on Thursday, August 17 11:00 AM to
12:15 PM entitled "Bring your Ancestors to Life! Go
Where They Walked" 417, in the O'Neill/Fourth Floor.

Besides Hungary, the second half of the presentation
is a very interesting and detailed "how to" travel to
the Western Ukraine.
John (Janos) Kovacs


Hungary SIG #Hungary Need help in Buenos Aires #hungary

B. Frederics <picturethisfilm@...>
 

Go to Jewishgen.com and sign up with Latam-Sig, the Latin America SIG.
They'll help you, they did me.

Regards,
Bonnie Frederics
Tucson, AZ
picturethisfilm@email.com
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Subject: Need help in Buenos Aires
From: "Hansmartin Unger" <hans-martinunger@freesurf.ch>
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 16:37:31 +0200
X-Message-Number: 2

I'm looking for contacts in Buenos Aires who may be able to help me in =
my
searching for Rosina ADLER. Very best,

H M UNGER, St. Gallen Switzerland <hans-martinunger@freesurf.ch>


Hungarian Letters #hungary

MSankar <sankosy5@...>
 

With regard to the use of accented Hungarian letters, there is also another
method which helps me considerably. I am not so computer savvy and I used
to find myself stuck when I was using search engines that required accents.
Now I simply scan the Hungarian page for the letter/accent I want, and
highlight it and copy and paste it into the search box.

Not very high-tech, and perhaps not a long-term solution, but a great option
for people like me!!

Michele Sankar
Ontario, Canada

Searching GLOCKNER, WINTER, SEIDNER, WEINBERGER, FREUND, HOLLANDER, WISNER,
BECK, SPITZ


Baia Mare/Nagybanya #hungary

michael perl <michael_perl9@...>
 

Siggers,

I know some relatives (ggf and ggm) are buried in Nagybanya/Baia Mare and
was wondering if anyone on the list has had experience in either visiting
this cemetery or obtaining its records.
What condition is it in? Are the cemetery records still extant?

Many of the Jewish vital records for this town have been destroyed so I am
attempting another angle.


Your help would be appreciated.

Michael Perl

New York


Re: HUNGARIAN LETTER #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

Hungarian uses some unique accents that are not included in the standard (ascii) computer character set, or on the standard (american english) keyboard. specifically, the double acute which occurs over o and u is a bit of a problem to represent properly. where it is unavailable, it has become customary to represent them with a tilde over the o and circumflex over u, instead of the proper double acute. (even though it's the same accent, it is represented differently, probably because that's what was available at the time.) a slight additional complication is that (parisian) french omits accents on capital letters (so some character sets may omit them), whereas they are required in hungarian.

in any event, h-sig (and jewishgen) rules only allow posting messages in plain, unaccented english, so it is usual to either omit accents (which can make it more difficult to read hungarian words), or to represent the accent as a separate character after the vowel, in your case LO"WY. (although it looks goofy, especially for umlauts which are represented by a colon, it conveys the correct spelling information, and displays properly on all computers.)

one thing to watch out for when recording names with accents, is that you might cause yourself problems later on; because accented letters are represented by different numeric codes than their unaccented kin, LOWY and LO"WY are not the same name, and a search for one may not turn up the other, depending on the sophistication, and preference settings, of your software. also, you might get surprises in the way names get sorted.



....... tom klein, toronto

Subject:
From: "B. Frederics" <picturethisfilm@email.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:28:44 -0700
X-Message-Number: 4

Siggers,

I found that an ancestor's records indicate his name was spelled LOWY
with a
right-slanted quotation mark over the O. I can't seem to find that
diactritical mark or letter on my Hungarian keyboard. Is it the same as
a
"tilda", the wavy horizontal "s" used in Spanish? If not, can someone
kindly
tell me where it is on the keyboard?

Thank you.

Regards,
Bonnie Frederics
Tucson, AZ
picturethisfilm@email.com
Seeking: ZEISLER/CZEISLER; LOWY; UNGAR. GROEDEL; WEINER; ERNST/ECSEDI =
(Eger,
DiosGyor, Kazincz, Ga'cs, Marmarross, Budapest, Szolnok; Szentes; =
Kapolna;
Tarnamera, Ujfalu; Vacs)


Hungary SIG #Hungary Hungarian Letters #hungary

MSankar <sankosy5@...>
 

With regard to the use of accented Hungarian letters, there is also another
method which helps me considerably. I am not so computer savvy and I used
to find myself stuck when I was using search engines that required accents.
Now I simply scan the Hungarian page for the letter/accent I want, and
highlight it and copy and paste it into the search box.

Not very high-tech, and perhaps not a long-term solution, but a great option
for people like me!!

Michele Sankar
Ontario, Canada

Searching GLOCKNER, WINTER, SEIDNER, WEINBERGER, FREUND, HOLLANDER, WISNER,
BECK, SPITZ


Hungary SIG #Hungary Baia Mare/Nagybanya #hungary

michael perl <michael_perl9@...>
 

Siggers,

I know some relatives (ggf and ggm) are buried in Nagybanya/Baia Mare and
was wondering if anyone on the list has had experience in either visiting
this cemetery or obtaining its records.
What condition is it in? Are the cemetery records still extant?

Many of the Jewish vital records for this town have been destroyed so I am
attempting another angle.


Your help would be appreciated.

Michael Perl

New York


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: HUNGARIAN LETTER #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

Hungarian uses some unique accents that are not included in the standard (ascii) computer character set, or on the standard (american english) keyboard. specifically, the double acute which occurs over o and u is a bit of a problem to represent properly. where it is unavailable, it has become customary to represent them with a tilde over the o and circumflex over u, instead of the proper double acute. (even though it's the same accent, it is represented differently, probably because that's what was available at the time.) a slight additional complication is that (parisian) french omits accents on capital letters (so some character sets may omit them), whereas they are required in hungarian.

in any event, h-sig (and jewishgen) rules only allow posting messages in plain, unaccented english, so it is usual to either omit accents (which can make it more difficult to read hungarian words), or to represent the accent as a separate character after the vowel, in your case LO"WY. (although it looks goofy, especially for umlauts which are represented by a colon, it conveys the correct spelling information, and displays properly on all computers.)

one thing to watch out for when recording names with accents, is that you might cause yourself problems later on; because accented letters are represented by different numeric codes than their unaccented kin, LOWY and LO"WY are not the same name, and a search for one may not turn up the other, depending on the sophistication, and preference settings, of your software. also, you might get surprises in the way names get sorted.



....... tom klein, toronto

Subject:
From: "B. Frederics" <picturethisfilm@email.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:28:44 -0700
X-Message-Number: 4

Siggers,

I found that an ancestor's records indicate his name was spelled LOWY
with a
right-slanted quotation mark over the O. I can't seem to find that
diactritical mark or letter on my Hungarian keyboard. Is it the same as
a
"tilda", the wavy horizontal "s" used in Spanish? If not, can someone
kindly
tell me where it is on the keyboard?

Thank you.

Regards,
Bonnie Frederics
Tucson, AZ
picturethisfilm@email.com
Seeking: ZEISLER/CZEISLER; LOWY; UNGAR. GROEDEL; WEINER; ERNST/ECSEDI =
(Eger,
DiosGyor, Kazincz, Ga'cs, Marmarross, Budapest, Szolnok; Szentes; =
Kapolna;
Tarnamera, Ujfalu; Vacs)


tombstone rubbing #hungary

Laurie Budgar <lbudgar@...>
 

During my recent trip to Hungary and Romania, we visited the tiny towns
of Asuajul de Jos and Asuajul de Sus (now Romania), where my great-great
grandfather Jonasz JAKAB and one of his sons (Ferenc) was born. We found
an equally tiny cemetery between the two towns-- there were maybe 6 or 8
graves. While the grass around them had been cut, the stones were tilted
at odd angles and trash had been tossed next to one of them. The writing
on them was badly eroded, so we couldn't really capture it on
photographs (though we took some anyway). Instead we did tombstone
rubbings. I admit we didn't prepare for this, so we used, alternately, a
pencil and a burnt stick. On one, my mother, who was trying to be
helpful, thought a highlighter might help-- clearly this was not good
for the rubbing or the gravestone! Also, the paper we had was slightly
larger than 8.5 x 11, so it was slightly too narrow and a few letters
got cut off on the sides, and we needed to use 4 consecutive sheets in
order to get the writing all the way down the tombstone. In any case,
the writing was in Hebrew (or perhaps Yiddish?). I've posted these
rubbings on ViewMate. Unfortunately, ViewMate requires everything to be
submitted as a JPG, and for some reason, these scanned MUCH better as a
document into a PDF file. So between the rubbing errors and the
scanning, there's a degradation of quality. With that said, if anyone is
able to translate them I'd greatly appreciate it. They are #s 8923,
8924, 8925 and 8926. Or, if anyone would like me to send PDF versions to
them off-list, I can do that too. Thanks in advance for any help you can
offer!

Laurie Budgar
Boulder, CO

Researching
JAKAB/JACOBS (Satu Mare, Asuajul, Pomi, Borlesti, Somcuta Mare)
GOLDBERGER (Cziganyi/Crisenyi, Budapest)
SCHWARZ/SCHWARTZ (Budapest)


Re: HUNGARIAN LETTER #hungary

lynnsaul@...
 

In Word and Word Perfect, select "insert symbol" and you can get to each
of the letters with diacritical marks; click to insert them.
BTW Hebrew and other characters are also available through the same
dialogue box.
Lynn Saul
Tucson AZ

Siggers,

I found that an ancestor's records indicate his name was spelled LOWY
with a
right-slanted quotation mark over the O. I can't seem to find that
diactritical mark or letter on my Hungarian keyboard. Is it the same as
a
"tilda", the wavy horizontal "s" used in Spanish? If not, can someone
kindly
tell me where it is on the keyboard?

Thank you.

Regards,
Bonnie Frederics
Tucson, AZ
picturethisfilm@email.com
Seeking: ZEISLER/CZEISLER; LOWY; UNGAR. GROEDEL; WEINER; ERNST/ECSEDI
(Eger,
DiosGyor, Kazincz, Ga'cs, Marmarross, Budapest, Szolnok; Szentes; Kapolna;
Tarnamera, Ujfalu; Vacs)


Hungary SIG #Hungary tombstone rubbing #hungary

Laurie Budgar <lbudgar@...>
 

During my recent trip to Hungary and Romania, we visited the tiny towns
of Asuajul de Jos and Asuajul de Sus (now Romania), where my great-great
grandfather Jonasz JAKAB and one of his sons (Ferenc) was born. We found
an equally tiny cemetery between the two towns-- there were maybe 6 or 8
graves. While the grass around them had been cut, the stones were tilted
at odd angles and trash had been tossed next to one of them. The writing
on them was badly eroded, so we couldn't really capture it on
photographs (though we took some anyway). Instead we did tombstone
rubbings. I admit we didn't prepare for this, so we used, alternately, a
pencil and a burnt stick. On one, my mother, who was trying to be
helpful, thought a highlighter might help-- clearly this was not good
for the rubbing or the gravestone! Also, the paper we had was slightly
larger than 8.5 x 11, so it was slightly too narrow and a few letters
got cut off on the sides, and we needed to use 4 consecutive sheets in
order to get the writing all the way down the tombstone. In any case,
the writing was in Hebrew (or perhaps Yiddish?). I've posted these
rubbings on ViewMate. Unfortunately, ViewMate requires everything to be
submitted as a JPG, and for some reason, these scanned MUCH better as a
document into a PDF file. So between the rubbing errors and the
scanning, there's a degradation of quality. With that said, if anyone is
able to translate them I'd greatly appreciate it. They are #s 8923,
8924, 8925 and 8926. Or, if anyone would like me to send PDF versions to
them off-list, I can do that too. Thanks in advance for any help you can
offer!

Laurie Budgar
Boulder, CO

Researching
JAKAB/JACOBS (Satu Mare, Asuajul, Pomi, Borlesti, Somcuta Mare)
GOLDBERGER (Cziganyi/Crisenyi, Budapest)
SCHWARZ/SCHWARTZ (Budapest)


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: HUNGARIAN LETTER #hungary

lynnsaul@...
 

In Word and Word Perfect, select "insert symbol" and you can get to each
of the letters with diacritical marks; click to insert them.
BTW Hebrew and other characters are also available through the same
dialogue box.
Lynn Saul
Tucson AZ

Siggers,

I found that an ancestor's records indicate his name was spelled LOWY
with a
right-slanted quotation mark over the O. I can't seem to find that
diactritical mark or letter on my Hungarian keyboard. Is it the same as
a
"tilda", the wavy horizontal "s" used in Spanish? If not, can someone
kindly
tell me where it is on the keyboard?

Thank you.

Regards,
Bonnie Frederics
Tucson, AZ
picturethisfilm@email.com
Seeking: ZEISLER/CZEISLER; LOWY; UNGAR. GROEDEL; WEINER; ERNST/ECSEDI
(Eger,
DiosGyor, Kazincz, Ga'cs, Marmarross, Budapest, Szolnok; Szentes; Kapolna;
Tarnamera, Ujfalu; Vacs)