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Re URLs #general

arlene parnes <arlene@...>
 

Please everyone when you type a URL make it "clickable" I find it very
difficult to read these addresses, let alone have to copy the whole thing by
hand.

.
Thanks
Arlene in FL
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Watch out for "Surname Book Offfer" #general

RKaminker <rkaminker@...>
 

I recently received an offer >from Halbert's of Bath Ohio for a special book on
my family surname for $38.95. It promised sources of information on my family
name by searching hundreds of millions of data records. When I received it, 99%
of the information was generic boilerplate and 1% of it was Kaminker names and
addresses >from around the world. The information they provided was not even
what most people can get >from surfing the net. They did not even have me or my
parents who are both listed in US directories.

Basically, I would not recommend its purchase.

Ron Kaminker
LA, CA


Re: Jews in the Austrian Army #general

Rakoff125
 

You wrote " If anyone has access to records of Jews in the Austrian army, .."

In my files are notes >from Jan. 2, 1998 >from Andras that he posted that he has
a list of the Jewish soldiers in WWI sorted by towns. Also a note >from Vivian
Kahn saying the FHL has 6500 reels of Aust.-Hung. military records. Pull their
postings >from the archive for greater detail. An Aaron Rosenberg also put in
some information at some point re: a key to the headings of the military muster
rolls. Write me back if you can't get the information, I only copied what is
personally relevant and don't know if the whole posting of these folks is more
usefull to you.

good luck! Linda Rakoff, Newton, MA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re URLs #general

arlene parnes <arlene@...>
 

Please everyone when you type a URL make it "clickable" I find it very
difficult to read these addresses, let alone have to copy the whole thing by
hand.

.
Thanks
Arlene in FL
----


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Watch out for "Surname Book Offfer" #general

RKaminker <rkaminker@...>
 

I recently received an offer >from Halbert's of Bath Ohio for a special book on
my family surname for $38.95. It promised sources of information on my family
name by searching hundreds of millions of data records. When I received it, 99%
of the information was generic boilerplate and 1% of it was Kaminker names and
addresses >from around the world. The information they provided was not even
what most people can get >from surfing the net. They did not even have me or my
parents who are both listed in US directories.

Basically, I would not recommend its purchase.

Ron Kaminker
LA, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jews in the Austrian Army #general

Rakoff125
 

You wrote " If anyone has access to records of Jews in the Austrian army, .."

In my files are notes >from Jan. 2, 1998 >from Andras that he posted that he has
a list of the Jewish soldiers in WWI sorted by towns. Also a note >from Vivian
Kahn saying the FHL has 6500 reels of Aust.-Hung. military records. Pull their
postings >from the archive for greater detail. An Aaron Rosenberg also put in
some information at some point re: a key to the headings of the military muster
rolls. Write me back if you can't get the information, I only copied what is
personally relevant and don't know if the whole posting of these folks is more
usefull to you.

good luck! Linda Rakoff, Newton, MA


Re: German Fraktur characters #general

Eberhard <etz@...>
 

Dr. Fritz Neubauer <NEUBAUER@...> wrote:
Even though it is only mildly relevant to genealogy I would
appreciate it if the moderators could let the following comment through,
because of its present-day effects:
So do I. But I think the situation is a bit worse:


Dr. Fritz Neubauer <NEUBAUER@...> wrote:

Michael Bernet wrote:
"I have just received >from a professional German archivist, a manual
on reading the old script.
(He tells me, incidentally, that Hitler banned this script in
the early 1940's because some fool had told him it was based on
Hebrew script!)".
I can confirm that the old type of German script was abolished by
explicit orders of the Reichsministry of Culture on Sept 1, 1941, the
day on which all German newspapers changed their typeface.
One of the reasons is said to have been that one early type of
Fraktur, the so-called Schabacher-Fraktur, to the Nazis looked similar
to the Hebrew letters and that is while they wanted to have it
changed. Another reason though was that the people in the occupied
countries could not read the German orders on posters in that
script.
The last is in my opinion the real reason. The other was only
ideological marketing.

In fact the nazis used the broken letters preferably until 1941. And
some of these typefaces seem to me definitely connotative to their
ideology: e.g. Typeface "Tannenberg".

But in fact there are other broken letter typefaces that are only old
and nice to look at.

Eberhard Zastrau


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: German Fraktur characters #general

Eberhard <etz@...>
 

Dr. Fritz Neubauer <NEUBAUER@...> wrote:
Even though it is only mildly relevant to genealogy I would
appreciate it if the moderators could let the following comment through,
because of its present-day effects:
So do I. But I think the situation is a bit worse:


Dr. Fritz Neubauer <NEUBAUER@...> wrote:

Michael Bernet wrote:
"I have just received >from a professional German archivist, a manual
on reading the old script.
(He tells me, incidentally, that Hitler banned this script in
the early 1940's because some fool had told him it was based on
Hebrew script!)".
I can confirm that the old type of German script was abolished by
explicit orders of the Reichsministry of Culture on Sept 1, 1941, the
day on which all German newspapers changed their typeface.
One of the reasons is said to have been that one early type of
Fraktur, the so-called Schabacher-Fraktur, to the Nazis looked similar
to the Hebrew letters and that is while they wanted to have it
changed. Another reason though was that the people in the occupied
countries could not read the German orders on posters in that
script.
The last is in my opinion the real reason. The other was only
ideological marketing.

In fact the nazis used the broken letters preferably until 1941. And
some of these typefaces seem to me definitely connotative to their
ideology: e.g. Typeface "Tannenberg".

But in fact there are other broken letter typefaces that are only old
and nice to look at.

Eberhard Zastrau


Re: Erasmus High School in NYC??? #general

Ted Hochstadt <serapis@...>
 

One place to get information about EHHS is the website of the Erasmus Hall Alumni Association: http://www.ErasmusHall.org/ which has links to the websites of the Erasmus Hall Campus
Ted HochstadtErasmus Hall 1960


Re: Erasmus High School in NYC??? #general

TheLinicks <thelinicks@...>
 

I have no connection to Erasmus High School (except that I recall that several
of my college classmates may have gone there). However the flurry of messages
caught my interest, so I did some web searching. Although this isn't strictly
genealogy, I hope that it will be of value to some searchers.

What I found indicates that "In May 1995, the New York City Board of Education
passed a resolution restructuring Erasmus Hall High School into three
independent schools sharing the one campus. ... Winston Evans, the Alumni
Liaison for all three schools may be contacted at 718-282-8079, or write to him
at:
EHC: School for Science and Mathematics
911 Flatbush Avenue
Brooklyn, NY 11226"

Webpages are:
<http://www.edu-net.com/~erasbt/> for Business & Technology,
<http://www.edu-net.com/~ehcssm/> for Science & Mathematics,
<http://ns2.con2.com/~erashum/> for Humanities & the Performing Arts, and
<http://www.erasmushall.org/> for the Alumni Association

Some e-mail addresses and telephone numbers are available on these pages, as
well as pictures on the Alumni pages.

The following is >from the Science & Mathematics pages:

<< Erasmus Hall High School: The Oldest High School in New York City

Erasmus Hall High School was built by the Dutch Reform Church in 1787. It was a
small white, clapboard building which housed a small boarding school. The
original building still stands on approximately the original site and can be
visited today. In 1896, Erasmus Hall became a public school and, for the first
time, admitted girls. The current building was constructed around the original
structure which is now a museum.

During its 209 year reign, Erasmus Hall High School produced many well known
alumni, only a few of whom are mentioned here. If you know of any others,
please E-Mail or write to us, so that we may add them to the list.

Barbara Streisand, Superstar
Earl Graves, Black Enterprise
Barbara McClintock, Nobel Prize Winner
Jim Florio, Governor of New Jersey
Donny Most, Happy Days
Bernard Malamud, Author
Gabe Kaplan, Welcome Back, Kotter
Bernadette Stanis, Good Times
Beverly Sills, Opera Diva
Eli Wallach, Actor
Lani Kazan, Singer
Al Davis, LA Raiders Owner
John Cypher, Hill Street Blues
Will Downing, Singer
D Train, Singing Group
Another website <http://www.brooklyn.net/ashkenaz/learning/ehhs.html> includes
a history >from the 1939 WPA Guide to New York City, and lists as alumni (from
an earlier era):
Barbara Stanwyck, Constance and Norma Talmadge, Jane Cowl, Aline McMahon,
Eleanor Holm, Sidney Luckman [Chicago Bears hall of fame quarterback, who died
recently], Waite Hoyt, Elmer Sperry (inventor of the Sperry gyroscope), Tessa
Kelly ("good angel" of the London slums), and William Duer (an early president
of Columbia University).

The Humanities & Performing Arts website includes the following:

<< Old Erasmus-New Erasmus
By Kerwin Phillips

Erasmus Hall was founded by a corporation formed among the members of the Dutch
Reformed Church of Flatbush, and named after the Dutch scholar Desiderius
Erasmus. The school was chartered by the Regents on November 17, 1787, and was
the first secondary school to receive a charter. The charter created a
self-perpetuating Board of Trustees, under the management of which the school
continued until 1896 when the property was conveyed as a gift to the Borough of
Brooklyn. It thus became a high school of the New York City system. The ground
that Erasmus was built on was donated by the Dutch Reformed Church. The funds
were furnished by the interested families. As Flatbush was then the county seat
of Kings County, aid was asked >from the lawyers who were accustomed to practice
in the vicinity. Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr, Governor George Clinton,
Brockholst Livingstone, and William Duer were among those who contributed to
the fund. The people in the community paid for material and labor. The cost was
$6,250. The first additions were made in the administration of Principal
Jonathan W. Kellogg. No other changes were made until the school passed into
the hands of the city in 1896.

In 1896 major additions were made. The architecture of the new structure was
done by Mr. C. B. J. Snyder, Superintendent of School Buildings for the City.
As originally planned, the new building extends around a quadrangle reaching
from Flatbush Avenue to Bedford Avenue. In equipment, Erasmus Hall always
ranked foremost in the past. On May 2, 1791, the Regents presented the school
with 115 books, a thermometer, a barometer, an electrical apparatus, a
theodolite and chair, a quadrant, a telescope, two prisms, a magnet, and a case
of drawing instruments. The school was well equipped with everything that was
likely to be of use for the best work in all lines. For scientific work, the
laboratories were not excelled by those of any other secondary school in the
country.

In September 1994 the Brooklyn Superintendent, in consultation with the
Chancellor, divided Erasmus into three smaller schools. The three schools are
called: Erasmus Hall Campus: H.S. for Science and Mathematics, Erasmus Hall
Campus: H.S. for Business and Technology, and the Erasmus Hall Campus: High
School for Humanities and the Performing Arts. Each school also has its own
color. Business and Technology is blue. Math and Science is red. And, our
school Humanities is green.
Evan F. Linick
Woodland Hills, CA
TheLinicks@...

Searching (1800s to now):
LINICK/LINNICK/LINIK/LINNIK: Tykocin, Poland; Ostrog, Ukraine; Germany;
Switzerland; France.
FALLER: Germany.
ZELENY/ZELONY and KLOTZ : Odessa, Russia


MODERATOR'S NOTE: We will end the Erasmus High School thread with this posting.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Erasmus High School in NYC??? #general

Ted Hochstadt <serapis@...>
 

One place to get information about EHHS is the website of the Erasmus Hall Alumni Association: http://www.ErasmusHall.org/ which has links to the websites of the Erasmus Hall Campus
Ted HochstadtErasmus Hall 1960


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Erasmus High School in NYC??? #general

TheLinicks <thelinicks@...>
 

I have no connection to Erasmus High School (except that I recall that several
of my college classmates may have gone there). However the flurry of messages
caught my interest, so I did some web searching. Although this isn't strictly
genealogy, I hope that it will be of value to some searchers.

What I found indicates that "In May 1995, the New York City Board of Education
passed a resolution restructuring Erasmus Hall High School into three
independent schools sharing the one campus. ... Winston Evans, the Alumni
Liaison for all three schools may be contacted at 718-282-8079, or write to him
at:
EHC: School for Science and Mathematics
911 Flatbush Avenue
Brooklyn, NY 11226"

Webpages are:
<http://www.edu-net.com/~erasbt/> for Business & Technology,
<http://www.edu-net.com/~ehcssm/> for Science & Mathematics,
<http://ns2.con2.com/~erashum/> for Humanities & the Performing Arts, and
<http://www.erasmushall.org/> for the Alumni Association

Some e-mail addresses and telephone numbers are available on these pages, as
well as pictures on the Alumni pages.

The following is >from the Science & Mathematics pages:

<< Erasmus Hall High School: The Oldest High School in New York City

Erasmus Hall High School was built by the Dutch Reform Church in 1787. It was a
small white, clapboard building which housed a small boarding school. The
original building still stands on approximately the original site and can be
visited today. In 1896, Erasmus Hall became a public school and, for the first
time, admitted girls. The current building was constructed around the original
structure which is now a museum.

During its 209 year reign, Erasmus Hall High School produced many well known
alumni, only a few of whom are mentioned here. If you know of any others,
please E-Mail or write to us, so that we may add them to the list.

Barbara Streisand, Superstar
Earl Graves, Black Enterprise
Barbara McClintock, Nobel Prize Winner
Jim Florio, Governor of New Jersey
Donny Most, Happy Days
Bernard Malamud, Author
Gabe Kaplan, Welcome Back, Kotter
Bernadette Stanis, Good Times
Beverly Sills, Opera Diva
Eli Wallach, Actor
Lani Kazan, Singer
Al Davis, LA Raiders Owner
John Cypher, Hill Street Blues
Will Downing, Singer
D Train, Singing Group
Another website <http://www.brooklyn.net/ashkenaz/learning/ehhs.html> includes
a history >from the 1939 WPA Guide to New York City, and lists as alumni (from
an earlier era):
Barbara Stanwyck, Constance and Norma Talmadge, Jane Cowl, Aline McMahon,
Eleanor Holm, Sidney Luckman [Chicago Bears hall of fame quarterback, who died
recently], Waite Hoyt, Elmer Sperry (inventor of the Sperry gyroscope), Tessa
Kelly ("good angel" of the London slums), and William Duer (an early president
of Columbia University).

The Humanities & Performing Arts website includes the following:

<< Old Erasmus-New Erasmus
By Kerwin Phillips

Erasmus Hall was founded by a corporation formed among the members of the Dutch
Reformed Church of Flatbush, and named after the Dutch scholar Desiderius
Erasmus. The school was chartered by the Regents on November 17, 1787, and was
the first secondary school to receive a charter. The charter created a
self-perpetuating Board of Trustees, under the management of which the school
continued until 1896 when the property was conveyed as a gift to the Borough of
Brooklyn. It thus became a high school of the New York City system. The ground
that Erasmus was built on was donated by the Dutch Reformed Church. The funds
were furnished by the interested families. As Flatbush was then the county seat
of Kings County, aid was asked >from the lawyers who were accustomed to practice
in the vicinity. Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr, Governor George Clinton,
Brockholst Livingstone, and William Duer were among those who contributed to
the fund. The people in the community paid for material and labor. The cost was
$6,250. The first additions were made in the administration of Principal
Jonathan W. Kellogg. No other changes were made until the school passed into
the hands of the city in 1896.

In 1896 major additions were made. The architecture of the new structure was
done by Mr. C. B. J. Snyder, Superintendent of School Buildings for the City.
As originally planned, the new building extends around a quadrangle reaching
from Flatbush Avenue to Bedford Avenue. In equipment, Erasmus Hall always
ranked foremost in the past. On May 2, 1791, the Regents presented the school
with 115 books, a thermometer, a barometer, an electrical apparatus, a
theodolite and chair, a quadrant, a telescope, two prisms, a magnet, and a case
of drawing instruments. The school was well equipped with everything that was
likely to be of use for the best work in all lines. For scientific work, the
laboratories were not excelled by those of any other secondary school in the
country.

In September 1994 the Brooklyn Superintendent, in consultation with the
Chancellor, divided Erasmus into three smaller schools. The three schools are
called: Erasmus Hall Campus: H.S. for Science and Mathematics, Erasmus Hall
Campus: H.S. for Business and Technology, and the Erasmus Hall Campus: High
School for Humanities and the Performing Arts. Each school also has its own
color. Business and Technology is blue. Math and Science is red. And, our
school Humanities is green.
Evan F. Linick
Woodland Hills, CA
TheLinicks@...

Searching (1800s to now):
LINICK/LINNICK/LINIK/LINNIK: Tykocin, Poland; Ostrog, Ukraine; Germany;
Switzerland; France.
FALLER: Germany.
ZELENY/ZELONY and KLOTZ : Odessa, Russia


MODERATOR'S NOTE: We will end the Erasmus High School thread with this posting.


Re: Oleg Perzashkevich, Director of Minsk Genealogy Group. #belarus

Carol Skydell <skydell@...>
 

I've used Oleg in the past and would be comfortable using him in the future
Contact him via email minskhist@... which is far more reliable than
postal service.

Carol Skydell
Chilmark Ma


Belarus SIG #Belarus re: Oleg Perzashkevich, Director of Minsk Genealogy Group. #belarus

Carol Skydell <skydell@...>
 

I've used Oleg in the past and would be comfortable using him in the future
Contact him via email minskhist@... which is far more reliable than
postal service.

Carol Skydell
Chilmark Ma


Re: Minsk Gub. Research Project - Interested? #belarus

Jewel Fishkin <XJEWELX@...>
 

If you are including towns like Bobruisk near Minsk in your
research== Fishkin family both places- You can include me as a
contributor

Jewel Rosenthal Fishkin
xjewelx@...


Moderator's Note: Jewel, the information we are trying to collect for
Minsk Gubernia has already been collected for the District town of
Bobruisk and the shtetls within that district. This data is already
available on the web at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlinks/bobruisk/summary.html>.
The project we have been discussing is to obtain the same type of
information for the rest of Minsk Gubernia as well as for Mogilev and
Vitebsk gubernii.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Minsk Gub. Research Project - Interested? #belarus

Jewel Fishkin <XJEWELX@...>
 

If you are including towns like Bobruisk near Minsk in your
research== Fishkin family both places- You can include me as a
contributor

Jewel Rosenthal Fishkin
xjewelx@...


Moderator's Note: Jewel, the information we are trying to collect for
Minsk Gubernia has already been collected for the District town of
Bobruisk and the shtetls within that district. This data is already
available on the web at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlinks/bobruisk/summary.html>.
The project we have been discussing is to obtain the same type of
information for the rest of Minsk Gubernia as well as for Mogilev and
Vitebsk gubernii.


Re: Minsk Hist. Geneaology Project #belarus

Elyauri@...
 

If Oleg of the Minsk Historical Genealogy can produce a web site for Belarus
similar to the Bobruisk site, it seems to me to be a very worthwhile
investment. What must be clarified at the start is a list of the shtetlikh
which will be included. I too would gladly contribute $50 for this project.
Please advise if I can be of further assistance.

Edward G. Cohen, Long Beach,NY

Moderator's Note: Oleg does not produce the web site. He provides the
data that goes into the web site. Our Webmaster, Risa Heywood, would take
the data that Oleg provides and covert it into HTML code. This is can take
some time for the Webmaster. Thanks to all who have indicated their desire
to contribute to the project.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Minsk Hist. Geneaology Project #belarus

Elyauri@...
 

If Oleg of the Minsk Historical Genealogy can produce a web site for Belarus
similar to the Bobruisk site, it seems to me to be a very worthwhile
investment. What must be clarified at the start is a list of the shtetlikh
which will be included. I too would gladly contribute $50 for this project.
Please advise if I can be of further assistance.

Edward G. Cohen, Long Beach,NY

Moderator's Note: Oleg does not produce the web site. He provides the
data that goes into the web site. Our Webmaster, Risa Heywood, would take
the data that Oleg provides and covert it into HTML code. This is can take
some time for the Webmaster. Thanks to all who have indicated their desire
to contribute to the project.


Re: Searching in Argentina #general

Hector Mondrik <topt@...>
 

CEMLA has only partialy records. A lot of records were destroyed. I suggest
you should intent in the Hamburgo port.
Regards
Hector Mondrik

-----Original Message-----
De: DREIMAN <m4fab4@...>
Para: Latin America SIG <latamsig@...>
Fecha: Jueves 27 de Agosto de 1998 22:00 PM
Asunto: Searching in Argentina


Hi Everyone! I have had some luck searching for documents in Argentina,
basically in the the civil registrars office. I have most of my family
still living in Argentina but am trying to uncover the "mysteries" of
the families arrival at the turn of the century. My families come from
the Ukraine and Odessa. In the Ukraine, I have the name of a town called
"TATARK/O" and >from Odessa, it was most likely >from NOVY BUK.

When they arrived, they settled in Entre Rios and La Pampa (Bernasconi
and surrounding areas) The people in the registro civil in La Pampa are
extraordinary! They sent me a ton of documentation!

I am searching for these families:
TRUPP/TRAJTERMAN/LIPOVESKY-ROSENBERG/MARCHALIK-DREIMAN-ROSENBLIT.

I have my great-grandfather's death certificate which states everything
but the elusive name of his father. I have contacted CEMLA and they do
not have an entry for my ggf YOSEL TRUPP. Any suggestions on how I
could locate his resident or citezenship papers or any other document
that would state his parents names? I am guessing he arrived to Arg.
around 1900-1906.

B'shalom,
Mirta Trupp Dreiman
California

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Latin America #LatinAmerica RE: Searching in Argentina #latinamerica

Hector Mondrik <topt@...>
 

CEMLA has only partialy records. A lot of records were destroyed. I suggest
you should intent in the Hamburgo port.
Regards
Hector Mondrik

-----Original Message-----
De: DREIMAN <m4fab4@...>
Para: Latin America SIG <latamsig@...>
Fecha: Jueves 27 de Agosto de 1998 22:00 PM
Asunto: Searching in Argentina


Hi Everyone! I have had some luck searching for documents in Argentina,
basically in the the civil registrars office. I have most of my family
still living in Argentina but am trying to uncover the "mysteries" of
the families arrival at the turn of the century. My families come from
the Ukraine and Odessa. In the Ukraine, I have the name of a town called
"TATARK/O" and >from Odessa, it was most likely >from NOVY BUK.

When they arrived, they settled in Entre Rios and La Pampa (Bernasconi
and surrounding areas) The people in the registro civil in La Pampa are
extraordinary! They sent me a ton of documentation!

I am searching for these families:
TRUPP/TRAJTERMAN/LIPOVESKY-ROSENBERG/MARCHALIK-DREIMAN-ROSENBLIT.

I have my great-grandfather's death certificate which states everything
but the elusive name of his father. I have contacted CEMLA and they do
not have an entry for my ggf YOSEL TRUPP. Any suggestions on how I
could locate his resident or citezenship papers or any other document
that would state his parents names? I am guessing he arrived to Arg.
around 1900-1906.

B'shalom,
Mirta Trupp Dreiman
California

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