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Tailor Trade in Vienna #general

Nancy Fox <jessefox7@...>
 

Renee wrote: "my great grandfather was sent to Vienna, Austria to be
trained as a tailor. Does anyone know of any such school in the 1870-80s?"
I found this subject fascinating and began researching it online.

With the major fashion changes of 1880, especially the adoption of men's
ready-to-wear clothes (Konfektion) by women (e.g. suits with skirts), and
since Vienna was becoming the fashion center of the Austro-Hungarian Empire,
expert tailors were needed to fill the demands of Viennese couturiers.

Master tailors were considered artisans and had a master tailor's guild
(Zuenfte). There may be information on this at the Viennese
Stadt-und-Landesarchiv.

The 3 stages of a tailor progressed >from apprentice (Lehrlinge) to
journeyman (Geselle) to master (Meister) tailor.

Though the following information is a later era than Renee is searching, the
Wiener Werkstaette (Viennese Workshops), founded in 1903 (closed by 1932)
designed and created fabrics and fashion products (including haute
couture?). The Viennese fashion industry of the 1930's included Jewish
designers.

There is an article on the Jewish Federation of Santa Barbara website
(www.jewishsantabarbara.org) regarding Rudolf Herllinger, b. 1913 in Tanta,
Egypt, migrated in 1914 to Boscovice, Czech., who mentions the "famous
tailor trade school in Vienna" as follows:

"...I decided to become a master tailor. After three years of
apprenticeship at a good custom tailor and working one year as a journeyman,
I attended the famous tailor trade school in Vienna to qualify as a master
tailor to be able to join the tailors' guild."

Regards,
Nancy Fox
Franklin, Tennessee
jessefox7@bellsouth.net
Searching: SILBERSPITZ, ZIMMERSPITZ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Tailor Trade in Vienna #general

Nancy Fox <jessefox7@...>
 

Renee wrote: "my great grandfather was sent to Vienna, Austria to be
trained as a tailor. Does anyone know of any such school in the 1870-80s?"
I found this subject fascinating and began researching it online.

With the major fashion changes of 1880, especially the adoption of men's
ready-to-wear clothes (Konfektion) by women (e.g. suits with skirts), and
since Vienna was becoming the fashion center of the Austro-Hungarian Empire,
expert tailors were needed to fill the demands of Viennese couturiers.

Master tailors were considered artisans and had a master tailor's guild
(Zuenfte). There may be information on this at the Viennese
Stadt-und-Landesarchiv.

The 3 stages of a tailor progressed >from apprentice (Lehrlinge) to
journeyman (Geselle) to master (Meister) tailor.

Though the following information is a later era than Renee is searching, the
Wiener Werkstaette (Viennese Workshops), founded in 1903 (closed by 1932)
designed and created fabrics and fashion products (including haute
couture?). The Viennese fashion industry of the 1930's included Jewish
designers.

There is an article on the Jewish Federation of Santa Barbara website
(www.jewishsantabarbara.org) regarding Rudolf Herllinger, b. 1913 in Tanta,
Egypt, migrated in 1914 to Boscovice, Czech., who mentions the "famous
tailor trade school in Vienna" as follows:

"...I decided to become a master tailor. After three years of
apprenticeship at a good custom tailor and working one year as a journeyman,
I attended the famous tailor trade school in Vienna to qualify as a master
tailor to be able to join the tailors' guild."

Regards,
Nancy Fox
Franklin, Tennessee
jessefox7@bellsouth.net
Searching: SILBERSPITZ, ZIMMERSPITZ


Need Picture of Kozma cemetery Grave #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

If anyone is planning to visit Kozma cemetery in the near future I
would appreciate a picture of a grave that may be where my great-uncle

is buried. The Oroklet.hu website lists a burial for Neumann Markus

who died in 1912. Location of grave is reported as:

Kozma utca - Budapest
36. Plot 45. Row 7 . grave

My great-uncle Markus Neumann was born 20 Aug 1883 and died 3 Dec
1912. I don't know if he lived in Budapest but have a picture of him

taken in a Budapest photo studio in the early 1900's.

I've requested info >from the website on the cost of a picture but
haven't yet had a response.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA
vkahn@kmort.com
http://web.mac.com/lmort/Vivian_Kahn_Family_Website/Home_Page.html

Researching families >from Hungary including:

BAL/BERKOVICS/BERKOWITZ/ROTH/GROSZ Orasu Nou, Rom. (Avas Ujvaros,
Hung.); Seini, Rom. (Szinervaralja, Hun), Vamfalu, Hung. (Vama, Rom.)
KAHAN/SEGAL/ZEGAL/Sighet, Rom.(Maramarossziget, Hun)
MOSKOVITS/MOSKOWITZ/MOSS, Ostrov (Kisozstro), Sobrance, Michalovce,
Cleveland
NEUMANN/POLACSEK/Sobrance, Michalovce, Kereszt (Kristy, Slov.)


Hungary SIG #Hungary Need Picture of Kozma cemetery Grave #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

If anyone is planning to visit Kozma cemetery in the near future I
would appreciate a picture of a grave that may be where my great-uncle

is buried. The Oroklet.hu website lists a burial for Neumann Markus

who died in 1912. Location of grave is reported as:

Kozma utca - Budapest
36. Plot 45. Row 7 . grave

My great-uncle Markus Neumann was born 20 Aug 1883 and died 3 Dec
1912. I don't know if he lived in Budapest but have a picture of him

taken in a Budapest photo studio in the early 1900's.

I've requested info >from the website on the cost of a picture but
haven't yet had a response.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA
vkahn@kmort.com
http://web.mac.com/lmort/Vivian_Kahn_Family_Website/Home_Page.html

Researching families >from Hungary including:

BAL/BERKOVICS/BERKOWITZ/ROTH/GROSZ Orasu Nou, Rom. (Avas Ujvaros,
Hung.); Seini, Rom. (Szinervaralja, Hun), Vamfalu, Hung. (Vama, Rom.)
KAHAN/SEGAL/ZEGAL/Sighet, Rom.(Maramarossziget, Hun)
MOSKOVITS/MOSKOWITZ/MOSS, Ostrov (Kisozstro), Sobrance, Michalovce,
Cleveland
NEUMANN/POLACSEK/Sobrance, Michalovce, Kereszt (Kristy, Slov.)


Re: Lists and Miskolc #hungary

tom
 

one of the drawbacks of the "hungarian jewish survivors listed in a=
hungarian periodical" list seems to be that married women are listed in the=
customary hungarian fashion as "wife of" and their husband's name, but the=
transcription includes neither their given nor maiden names.

once again, it helps to experiment a bit with the search function: there are=
116 hits for exactly ROSENBERG, but none of them have a given name of=
ilona. however, there are only 4 records for PINTER, including one for=
"PINTE'R, Dr. Be'lane', born 1898, place of birth not specified, located=
Tr=F6bitz, page 17", which might be the one, if you know her husband's name=
=2E


=2E...... tom klein, toronto

peter bakos <pgbakos@hotmail.com> wrote:


This will be difficult, as I wish to keep within the maxim of Tom Venetiane=
=3D
r and his website to never "flame" any person or place, but...

I thank Gabor Hirsch for pointing out the problems of the "list >from a publ=
=3D
ication". I actually was shown this publication, at Sip u. of all places. =
=3D
Therein I found Ilona ROSENBERG PINTER, the aunt of my mother as being a s=
=3D
urvivor. (I have yet to find out what happened to that poor woman who lost=
=3D
both of her sons and her son-in-law in the Labor battalions and at the cam=
=3D
ps). As I only had a fleeting look at that book, I hoped to see it or the =
=3D
information online. But I guess that whatever has been completely transcri=
=3D
bed either did not include my grand-aunt, or she somehow was not put on the=
=3D
JG website.

[snip!]

Peter Bakos
Budapest
PODVINECZ >from Budapest, Nagy Becskerek, Novi Sad/Ujvidek, Vukovar, Modos, =
=3D
Baja
ROSENBERG/RACZ/RONAI, HERSCHKOVITS, MOSKOVITS, FISCH/FRISCH >from Abauj-Torn=
=3D
a megye
PEABODY/PATZAUER >from Miskolc and Szeged
SCHUSTER/SCHUSZTER >from Papa and Gyor


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: RE: Lists and Miskolc #hungary

tom
 

one of the drawbacks of the "hungarian jewish survivors listed in a=
hungarian periodical" list seems to be that married women are listed in the=
customary hungarian fashion as "wife of" and their husband's name, but the=
transcription includes neither their given nor maiden names.

once again, it helps to experiment a bit with the search function: there are=
116 hits for exactly ROSENBERG, but none of them have a given name of=
ilona. however, there are only 4 records for PINTER, including one for=
"PINTE'R, Dr. Be'lane', born 1898, place of birth not specified, located=
Tr=F6bitz, page 17", which might be the one, if you know her husband's name=
=2E


=2E...... tom klein, toronto

peter bakos <pgbakos@hotmail.com> wrote:


This will be difficult, as I wish to keep within the maxim of Tom Venetiane=
=3D
r and his website to never "flame" any person or place, but...

I thank Gabor Hirsch for pointing out the problems of the "list >from a publ=
=3D
ication". I actually was shown this publication, at Sip u. of all places. =
=3D
Therein I found Ilona ROSENBERG PINTER, the aunt of my mother as being a s=
=3D
urvivor. (I have yet to find out what happened to that poor woman who lost=
=3D
both of her sons and her son-in-law in the Labor battalions and at the cam=
=3D
ps). As I only had a fleeting look at that book, I hoped to see it or the =
=3D
information online. But I guess that whatever has been completely transcri=
=3D
bed either did not include my grand-aunt, or she somehow was not put on the=
=3D
JG website.

[snip!]

Peter Bakos
Budapest
PODVINECZ >from Budapest, Nagy Becskerek, Novi Sad/Ujvidek, Vukovar, Modos, =
=3D
Baja
ROSENBERG/RACZ/RONAI, HERSCHKOVITS, MOSKOVITS, FISCH/FRISCH >from Abauj-Torn=
=3D
a megye
PEABODY/PATZAUER >from Miskolc and Szeged
SCHUSTER/SCHUSZTER >from Papa and Gyor


RUBENSTEIN/LEVINE #general

Sy Pearlman
 

I am looking for grandchildren of RUBENSTEIN and Zysha LEVINE of New
York. Zysha emigrated >from Uzda in Belarus. The couple had several
children, Jack Rubenstein (who was in textiles and moved his factory
to the Carolinas), Harry, Dina (who married a ZALENKO or SILVER).
Zysha and her husband may have died in the late 1930's or early 40's.
Sy Pearlman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RUBENSTEIN/LEVINE #general

Sy Pearlman
 

I am looking for grandchildren of RUBENSTEIN and Zysha LEVINE of New
York. Zysha emigrated >from Uzda in Belarus. The couple had several
children, Jack Rubenstein (who was in textiles and moved his factory
to the Carolinas), Harry, Dina (who married a ZALENKO or SILVER).
Zysha and her husband may have died in the late 1930's or early 40's.
Sy Pearlman


Margolis Family in Israel #general

Michael Trapunsky
 

Hi Genners,

I am looking for MARGOLIS cousins of mine in Israel but unfortunately have
almost next to nothing to go on - not even a city.

All I know is that my great great grandfather's sister - Sarah Zisel MATUK -
married a man by the name of Meir MARGOLIS. I believe they had 3 children
(all born in Lithuania in the late 1800s to early 1900s):

Avraham Yonah
Rachel
Yakov

Yakov had a son named Yisroel who went to live in Israel. All I know about
him is that he's a rabbi and has a number of children (once again, I know
this isn't a lot to go on).

If anyone knows anything of this family, or can give me any suggestions on
how to further research them, I would love to hear back >from you.

Thank you very much,

Michael Trapunsky
Long Island, New York, USA
trapunsky@verizon.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Margolis Family in Israel #general

Michael Trapunsky
 

Hi Genners,

I am looking for MARGOLIS cousins of mine in Israel but unfortunately have
almost next to nothing to go on - not even a city.

All I know is that my great great grandfather's sister - Sarah Zisel MATUK -
married a man by the name of Meir MARGOLIS. I believe they had 3 children
(all born in Lithuania in the late 1800s to early 1900s):

Avraham Yonah
Rachel
Yakov

Yakov had a son named Yisroel who went to live in Israel. All I know about
him is that he's a rabbi and has a number of children (once again, I know
this isn't a lot to go on).

If anyone knows anything of this family, or can give me any suggestions on
how to further research them, I would love to hear back >from you.

Thank you very much,

Michael Trapunsky
Long Island, New York, USA
trapunsky@verizon.net


Occupation: Anstreichmeister #austria-czech

robert fraser <robertandginafraser@...>
 

Hi all -

A quick question. What is the translation of the occupation

'Maler und Anstreichmeister'

The first of course is Painter, but I'm not sure of the second.
Plasterer, perhaps?

The time is 1915, the place is Mistelbach.

Many thanks and please respond off-list.

Robert Fraser
Western Australia
robertandginafraser@iinet.net.au
Researching:
NOWAK - Moravia/Austria
EISINGER - Moravia and the World
FINKELSTEIN - Galicia
NAGEL - Moravia/Austria
KRAUTERBLUTH - ? Galicia
WORTMAN(N) - Skalica SK


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Occupation: Anstreichmeister #austria-czech

robert fraser <robertandginafraser@...>
 

Hi all -

A quick question. What is the translation of the occupation

'Maler und Anstreichmeister'

The first of course is Painter, but I'm not sure of the second.
Plasterer, perhaps?

The time is 1915, the place is Mistelbach.

Many thanks and please respond off-list.

Robert Fraser
Western Australia
robertandginafraser@iinet.net.au
Researching:
NOWAK - Moravia/Austria
EISINGER - Moravia and the World
FINKELSTEIN - Galicia
NAGEL - Moravia/Austria
KRAUTERBLUTH - ? Galicia
WORTMAN(N) - Skalica SK


civil marriage in Vienna #austria-czech

Vera Finberg <vera.finberg@...>
 

My question on where to find the marriage of a non-practicing Jew and
a Christian (Alt-Katholisch) in Vienna in the early 1930's had helpful
responses >from the Magistas Office in Vienna, Celia Male, Randy Schoenberg,
Henry Wellisch and Heinz Hadwig.

To summarize:
Austria was very advanced in the civil registration of marriages and
eventually the introduction of the term "Konfessionslos". One could
enter a Konfessionslos marriage after 1868. There are *Konfessionlos*
marriage books in the archives in Vienna. They date back to at
least 1875 and probably >from 1868. In most cases, at least one of the
parties was Jewish.

The marriage would have been legalised at the Magistrat. Konfessionslos
meant one did not have to pay the Kulturssteur to support the appropriate
religious body.

Henry Wellisch has seen many records in the Vienna Jewish marriage records
where one party was Konfessionslos. I believe I also found my great-uncles
marriage in 1912 where one party (the wife, not Jewish?) was Konfessionslos.

To obtain information >from the Konfessionslos records one can write to:
Magistratsabteilung 35
Abt.: Personenforschung
Dresdnerstrasse 91
1200 Vienna/Austria

You must pay for this service. Minimum is 43.- Euro.
(appr. 65$) As minimum data are full name and birth date (husband!)
required.

The archives also have the Alt-Katholisch birth, marriage and death
records >from 1878-1938. There are privacy restrictions if one cannot
give the date of death of both parties. If the peoplewere born before
1897, then the restrictions do not apply.

My approach will be to start with the LDS films of the Jewish marriage
records and hope the record is there before paying the 43 Euro.

Vera Finberg
Fairfax, VA
BONDY - Dolni Mesto/Lipnice, Vienna
FLUSS Pribsylav & Polna, Czech Republic
THIEBEN- Rousinov/Rakovnik, Czech Republic
KOHNER - Vseruby, Czech Republic/Budapest/Vienna
STIEDRY - Golcuv Jenikov, Czech Republic
SYNEK - Mlada Vozice, Czech Republic
ABELES - Luchovice, Czech Republic


Early Jewish presence in Austria #austria-czech

Henry Wellisch <henry.kelwel@...>
 

According to a report in the Viennese newspaper "Der Standard"
Austrian researchers have found the grave of a child in a Roman
cemetry in the Burgenland dating back to the third century of the
common era. In the child's grave was a golden amulet with the
inscription in Greek of the basic Jewish prayer "Shema
Yisroel........'
Henry Wellisch
Toronto


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech civil marriage in Vienna #austria-czech

Vera Finberg <vera.finberg@...>
 

My question on where to find the marriage of a non-practicing Jew and
a Christian (Alt-Katholisch) in Vienna in the early 1930's had helpful
responses >from the Magistas Office in Vienna, Celia Male, Randy Schoenberg,
Henry Wellisch and Heinz Hadwig.

To summarize:
Austria was very advanced in the civil registration of marriages and
eventually the introduction of the term "Konfessionslos". One could
enter a Konfessionslos marriage after 1868. There are *Konfessionlos*
marriage books in the archives in Vienna. They date back to at
least 1875 and probably >from 1868. In most cases, at least one of the
parties was Jewish.

The marriage would have been legalised at the Magistrat. Konfessionslos
meant one did not have to pay the Kulturssteur to support the appropriate
religious body.

Henry Wellisch has seen many records in the Vienna Jewish marriage records
where one party was Konfessionslos. I believe I also found my great-uncles
marriage in 1912 where one party (the wife, not Jewish?) was Konfessionslos.

To obtain information >from the Konfessionslos records one can write to:
Magistratsabteilung 35
Abt.: Personenforschung
Dresdnerstrasse 91
1200 Vienna/Austria

You must pay for this service. Minimum is 43.- Euro.
(appr. 65$) As minimum data are full name and birth date (husband!)
required.

The archives also have the Alt-Katholisch birth, marriage and death
records >from 1878-1938. There are privacy restrictions if one cannot
give the date of death of both parties. If the peoplewere born before
1897, then the restrictions do not apply.

My approach will be to start with the LDS films of the Jewish marriage
records and hope the record is there before paying the 43 Euro.

Vera Finberg
Fairfax, VA
BONDY - Dolni Mesto/Lipnice, Vienna
FLUSS Pribsylav & Polna, Czech Republic
THIEBEN- Rousinov/Rakovnik, Czech Republic
KOHNER - Vseruby, Czech Republic/Budapest/Vienna
STIEDRY - Golcuv Jenikov, Czech Republic
SYNEK - Mlada Vozice, Czech Republic
ABELES - Luchovice, Czech Republic


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Early Jewish presence in Austria #austria-czech

Henry Wellisch <henry.kelwel@...>
 

According to a report in the Viennese newspaper "Der Standard"
Austrian researchers have found the grave of a child in a Roman
cemetry in the Burgenland dating back to the third century of the
common era. In the child's grave was a golden amulet with the
inscription in Greek of the basic Jewish prayer "Shema
Yisroel........'
Henry Wellisch
Toronto


Re: surname TRIESCH in Triesch #austria-czech

Irene Newhouse
 

Yes, there is that conventional wisdom saying it
doesn't make sense to call yourself Berliner if you
live in Berlin, because a zillion other people do,
too, so it doesn't distinguish you.

HOWEVER the surname SCHLESINGER would seem to derive
from Schlesien, which is Silesia, a region now in
Poland >from which I have much ancestry. And guess
what? I have SCHLESINGERS >from Wroclaw, the capital of
Silesia, in my family tree, and it was so common a
surname there, that it's impeded my tracing that
branch of the family almost completely.

I have to say, the way our ancestors chose surnames
are a complete mystery to me, in spite of the ways in
which researchers have tried to make sense of the
process long, long after the fact.

Irene Newhouse
Kihei HI


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: surname TRIESCH in Triesch #austria-czech

Irene Newhouse
 

Yes, there is that conventional wisdom saying it
doesn't make sense to call yourself Berliner if you
live in Berlin, because a zillion other people do,
too, so it doesn't distinguish you.

HOWEVER the surname SCHLESINGER would seem to derive
from Schlesien, which is Silesia, a region now in
Poland >from which I have much ancestry. And guess
what? I have SCHLESINGERS >from Wroclaw, the capital of
Silesia, in my family tree, and it was so common a
surname there, that it's impeded my tracing that
branch of the family almost completely.

I have to say, the way our ancestors chose surnames
are a complete mystery to me, in spite of the ways in
which researchers have tried to make sense of the
process long, long after the fact.

Irene Newhouse
Kihei HI


[Austria-Czech] Interesting article re. Strakonice& Neighbors Who Disappeared project #austria-czech

Lisa Feder <lfeder@...>
 

An article appears in the online version of
CeskyRozhlas/Radio Praha about students in Strakonice,
and their ongoing research into the fate of their
former Jewish residents which may be of interest to
some SIG members.

The url is: http://www.radio.cz/en/article/101757

Please note: This is a wonderful project, and I have a
copy of the exhibit available for display by any
synagogue, school, or other institution- it is
provided free of charge. Anyone interested in hosting
the exhibit may contact me off list.

Lisa Feder,
Fox Lake, IL


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech [Austria-Czech] Interesting article re. Strakonice& Neighbors Who Disappeared project #austria-czech

Lisa Feder <lfeder@...>
 

An article appears in the online version of
CeskyRozhlas/Radio Praha about students in Strakonice,
and their ongoing research into the fate of their
former Jewish residents which may be of interest to
some SIG members.

The url is: http://www.radio.cz/en/article/101757

Please note: This is a wonderful project, and I have a
copy of the exhibit available for display by any
synagogue, school, or other institution- it is
provided free of charge. Anyone interested in hosting
the exhibit may contact me off list.

Lisa Feder,
Fox Lake, IL