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Re: online database? #hungary

Margarita Lacko <mishpologia@...>
 

You can find the list in:

<
http://web.archive.org/web/20021008192532/http://www.netlap.hu/vasarnapiujsa
g/hosok.htm >
Or
< http://tinyurl.com/5t3ar8 >

The "A" never worked.

Also, Peter Winter has an Excel file in:

< http://www.geocities DOT com/winter_peter_4/ >

Margarita

Margarita Lacko
now in Reston, Virginia

|-----Original Message-----
|From: tom [mailto:tomk@ecologicaltech.com]=20
|Sent: Friday, 18 July, 2008 7:38
|To: H-SIG
|Subject: [h-sig] online database?
|
|
|there was a searchable database of the hungarian casualties of=20
|ww2 online at <http://www.netlap.hu/vasarnapiujsag/hosok.htm>,=20
|which included many of those who died in the forced labour=20
|battalions, but unfortunately, it's no longer accessible, and=20
|i couldn't find it using google.
|
|is this file available anywhere else?
|
|
|....... tom klein, toronto
|
|


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: online database? #hungary

Margarita Lacko <mishpologia@...>
 

You can find the list in:

<
http://web.archive.org/web/20021008192532/http://www.netlap.hu/vasarnapiujsa
g/hosok.htm >
Or
< http://tinyurl.com/5t3ar8 >

The "A" never worked.

Also, Peter Winter has an Excel file in:

< http://www.geocities DOT com/winter_peter_4/ >

Margarita

Margarita Lacko
now in Reston, Virginia

|-----Original Message-----
|From: tom [mailto:tomk@ecologicaltech.com]=20
|Sent: Friday, 18 July, 2008 7:38
|To: H-SIG
|Subject: [h-sig] online database?
|
|
|there was a searchable database of the hungarian casualties of=20
|ww2 online at <http://www.netlap.hu/vasarnapiujsag/hosok.htm>,=20
|which included many of those who died in the forced labour=20
|battalions, but unfortunately, it's no longer accessible, and=20
|i couldn't find it using google.
|
|is this file available anywhere else?
|
|
|....... tom klein, toronto
|
|


Re: Passenger lists US and UK #general

cecilia <myths@...>
 

On 19 Jul 2008 07:57:07 -0700, ahs613@gmail.com (Alan) wrote:

Some of my family came >from Russia to the US via the UK and I found them
on the Ellis Island passenger lists. But they are also on the lists for
passengers leaving the UK, available for a fee at findmypast.com on. Are
these the same lists, or would there be information on the outgoing UK
lists that is not on the incoming US lists?
I suspect arrival information is usually better than departure - I've
seen my g-father-i-law's occupation and country of origin misdescribed
on leaving England but correctly on arrival in Canada.

I've also seen that my g-mother-in-law and her two sons (who had to
delay travelling for a fortnight because the 2 year-old was found to
have a rash when checked for departure) were left on the departure
list of the ship they could not board.

However, the departure manifests tend to show ticket numbers - which
means one can guess at members of a group travelling together and/or
paid for together - and I'm not sure that is on arrival lists.

Cecilia Nyleve


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Passenger lists US and UK #general

cecilia <myths@...>
 

On 19 Jul 2008 07:57:07 -0700, ahs613@gmail.com (Alan) wrote:

Some of my family came >from Russia to the US via the UK and I found them
on the Ellis Island passenger lists. But they are also on the lists for
passengers leaving the UK, available for a fee at findmypast.com on. Are
these the same lists, or would there be information on the outgoing UK
lists that is not on the incoming US lists?
I suspect arrival information is usually better than departure - I've
seen my g-father-i-law's occupation and country of origin misdescribed
on leaving England but correctly on arrival in Canada.

I've also seen that my g-mother-in-law and her two sons (who had to
delay travelling for a fortnight because the 2 year-old was found to
have a rash when checked for departure) were left on the departure
list of the ship they could not board.

However, the departure manifests tend to show ticket numbers - which
means one can guess at members of a group travelling together and/or
paid for together - and I'm not sure that is on arrival lists.

Cecilia Nyleve


Re: Restrictions on travel back to Russia during and after WWI #general

Joseph Hirschfield
 

The outbreak of WWI cause Russia to forcibly evacuate the population
of much area on the front lines into the interior of Russia. This
exodus included what is now Belarus, Latvia and Lithuania. Millions
of civilians became refugees. The Russian Revolution following WWI
resulted in many of these refugees not returning home for several
more years. If they were not able to immigrate to the US before 1920,
their departure was further delayed by the US's 1920 anti-Semitic
Immigration Law which established meager quotas for Eastern European
countries.

In my own family, my mother and sisters and their mother could not
rejoin my grandfather in America until 1928, when their quota assignment
was reached, even though my grandfather had been here since 1913.

For those wishing to read the details of this era there is a fine scholarly
book: A Whole Empire Walking -Refugees in Russia During World War I by Peter
Gatrell.

Joe Hirschfield
Portage MI USA
MINOWICKI, MINOWITZKI, MINOFF, TOBIASZ-Brest Litovsk, Wysokae, BELARUS
HIRSCHFELD, HERSZFELD, BUXBAUM, BUCHSBAUM, TOPPERMANN, LINDENBAUM-Skwarzawa
(Skavaryava), Seliec Bienkow (Selets), Glinyany, Jarzczow, GALICIA

In a message dated 7/18/2008 10:54:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
tracie157@hotmail.com writes:

Family lore has it that they came to attend my gm's
wedding in N.J. and intended to return to Russia after
the wedding, but that they were unable to return due to
political unrest in Russia. At the same time, my ggf
and the remaining children were apparently "stuck" in
Russia and could not join my ggm in the U.S. until 1923 --
9 years later.
Does anyone know whether there were travel restrictions --
in either direction -- during this time period?
I believe that Russia began hostilities against Germany
in August 1914, which might corroborate family stories
about my ggm not being able to return, but would that have
prevented my ggf >from leaving Russia?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Restrictions on travel back to Russia during and after WWI #general

Joseph Hirschfield
 

The outbreak of WWI cause Russia to forcibly evacuate the population
of much area on the front lines into the interior of Russia. This
exodus included what is now Belarus, Latvia and Lithuania. Millions
of civilians became refugees. The Russian Revolution following WWI
resulted in many of these refugees not returning home for several
more years. If they were not able to immigrate to the US before 1920,
their departure was further delayed by the US's 1920 anti-Semitic
Immigration Law which established meager quotas for Eastern European
countries.

In my own family, my mother and sisters and their mother could not
rejoin my grandfather in America until 1928, when their quota assignment
was reached, even though my grandfather had been here since 1913.

For those wishing to read the details of this era there is a fine scholarly
book: A Whole Empire Walking -Refugees in Russia During World War I by Peter
Gatrell.

Joe Hirschfield
Portage MI USA
MINOWICKI, MINOWITZKI, MINOFF, TOBIASZ-Brest Litovsk, Wysokae, BELARUS
HIRSCHFELD, HERSZFELD, BUXBAUM, BUCHSBAUM, TOPPERMANN, LINDENBAUM-Skwarzawa
(Skavaryava), Seliec Bienkow (Selets), Glinyany, Jarzczow, GALICIA

In a message dated 7/18/2008 10:54:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
tracie157@hotmail.com writes:

Family lore has it that they came to attend my gm's
wedding in N.J. and intended to return to Russia after
the wedding, but that they were unable to return due to
political unrest in Russia. At the same time, my ggf
and the remaining children were apparently "stuck" in
Russia and could not join my ggm in the U.S. until 1923 --
9 years later.
Does anyone know whether there were travel restrictions --
in either direction -- during this time period?
I believe that Russia began hostilities against Germany
in August 1914, which might corroborate family stories
about my ggm not being able to return, but would that have
prevented my ggf >from leaving Russia?


Early American Genealogy records given to New York Public Library #general

Judy Simon
 

This article in the New York Times on July 18, 2008 could be of
interest to those researching ancestors who came to New York >from the
Netherlands or Britain in the 17th or 18th century. The New York
Genealogical and Biographical Society is donating it's entire
collection of 75,000 volumes, 30,000 manuscripts and 22,000 reels of
microfilm to the New York Public Library. This could provide much
information for people researching early American settlers with
possible Sephardic roots. The link to the article is:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/19/books/19reco.html?

Judy Simon
Stony Brook, NY

researching: BROZGOL, KAPELUSHNIK, MARANSK, BAILENSON, RAPPOPORT,
SKUTELSKY >from Rezekne, Latvia; LEFKOWITZ >from Skierniewice, Poland;
KELMER, OLSTEIN. CHOINA >from Zychlin, Poland; MEZELSJOR from
Msczconow, Poland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Early American Genealogy records given to New York Public Library #general

Judy Simon
 

This article in the New York Times on July 18, 2008 could be of
interest to those researching ancestors who came to New York >from the
Netherlands or Britain in the 17th or 18th century. The New York
Genealogical and Biographical Society is donating it's entire
collection of 75,000 volumes, 30,000 manuscripts and 22,000 reels of
microfilm to the New York Public Library. This could provide much
information for people researching early American settlers with
possible Sephardic roots. The link to the article is:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/19/books/19reco.html?

Judy Simon
Stony Brook, NY

researching: BROZGOL, KAPELUSHNIK, MARANSK, BAILENSON, RAPPOPORT,
SKUTELSKY >from Rezekne, Latvia; LEFKOWITZ >from Skierniewice, Poland;
KELMER, OLSTEIN. CHOINA >from Zychlin, Poland; MEZELSJOR from
Msczconow, Poland


Re: FUHRMANN in Tiefenthal Cemetery #general

P. S. Wyant
 

Shalom, Dede ...

which Tiefenthal? There are six:

- D-97244 near Buetthard,
- D-19348 near Perleberg,
- D-97837 near Erlenbach,
- D-67311 in the Pfalz,
- D-55546 in Rheinhessen, and
- D-93086 near Doenau.

Peter Wyant
Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

Dede Meyer wrote:

I believe my Great Grandfather Simon (nee Samuel) FUHRMANN's family was
buried in Tiefenthal cemetery. Has anyone any information?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: FUHRMANN in Tiefenthal Cemetery #general

P. S. Wyant
 

Shalom, Dede ...

which Tiefenthal? There are six:

- D-97244 near Buetthard,
- D-19348 near Perleberg,
- D-97837 near Erlenbach,
- D-67311 in the Pfalz,
- D-55546 in Rheinhessen, and
- D-93086 near Doenau.

Peter Wyant
Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

Dede Meyer wrote:

I believe my Great Grandfather Simon (nee Samuel) FUHRMANN's family was
buried in Tiefenthal cemetery. Has anyone any information?


Re: UKRAINE PROJECT PROPOSAL #ukraine

Hilary Henkin
 

Dear Alex,
Our problem with setting up a Ukraine Indexing Project will likely be
lack of data, rather than lack of participants.

JRI-Poland has the big advantage that a great deal of vital records
were filmed by the LDS and are publicly available. Additionally, I
believe the Poland archives were / are willing to provide searches
and documents at reasonable cost. Individuals were able to get
records, and noticing that each page had records of other people,
decided to pool their efforts.

My experience has been that the Ukraine is, so far, being far less
cooperative. With the exception of Kiev, and until recently Odessa,
getting data has been next to impossible. Very little has been
filmed by the LDS. The government requires that we use the
"approved" research company, which seems to believe that all
non-Ukranians are filthy rich.

I would be delighted to assist in any such project according to my
abilities (which don't include reading Cyrllic). But first we have
to get the records . . . .

Hilary Henkin


Researching:
Mogilev - BERLIN; BELIISKI; HENKIN - GENKIN; MESCENOKOV; POZ - POZE
Ekaterinoslav - KATZ; LAPIDUS; LAVROTIN - LAVRUTIN -
AVRUTIN; PESACHINSKY; SHIMERNITSKY; STEINHART
Roumania: DONNENFIELD; DOLLINGER; RINCOVER - HARINCOVER; WISENTHAL
Harbin, China: FELDMAN; PENZNER; SREBERK - SCHRIEBER;
Lublin, Poland: KATZ


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: UKRAINE PROJECT PROPOSAL #ukraine

Hilary Henkin
 

Dear Alex,
Our problem with setting up a Ukraine Indexing Project will likely be
lack of data, rather than lack of participants.

JRI-Poland has the big advantage that a great deal of vital records
were filmed by the LDS and are publicly available. Additionally, I
believe the Poland archives were / are willing to provide searches
and documents at reasonable cost. Individuals were able to get
records, and noticing that each page had records of other people,
decided to pool their efforts.

My experience has been that the Ukraine is, so far, being far less
cooperative. With the exception of Kiev, and until recently Odessa,
getting data has been next to impossible. Very little has been
filmed by the LDS. The government requires that we use the
"approved" research company, which seems to believe that all
non-Ukranians are filthy rich.

I would be delighted to assist in any such project according to my
abilities (which don't include reading Cyrllic). But first we have
to get the records . . . .

Hilary Henkin


Researching:
Mogilev - BERLIN; BELIISKI; HENKIN - GENKIN; MESCENOKOV; POZ - POZE
Ekaterinoslav - KATZ; LAPIDUS; LAVROTIN - LAVRUTIN -
AVRUTIN; PESACHINSKY; SHIMERNITSKY; STEINHART
Roumania: DONNENFIELD; DOLLINGER; RINCOVER - HARINCOVER; WISENTHAL
Harbin, China: FELDMAN; PENZNER; SREBERK - SCHRIEBER;
Lublin, Poland: KATZ


Origin of BINENBAUM Surname and derivations #germany

Larry Binenbaum
 

MODERATOR NOTE: Dr. Beider's book has been cited here. Citations of other
reference books of this kind will be accepted since questions about name origins
are sent to us so often.

Speculation about the origns of the names below should be sent to Mr. B. off list.

Thanks for your cooperation. MOD 1 >>>>

I know that according to Dr. Alexander Beider's reference book "A Dictionary
of Jewish Surnames >from the Russian Empire" the Binenbaum (Bienenbaum) Surname
when translated >from it's German origin means either "bee tree" or "bee hive".

Can anyone please tell me what the meaning is of the below Surnames:
Birnenbaum, Berenbaum, Tenenbaum.

Thank you very much in advance.

Larry Binenbaum Los Angeles, California, Binenbaum@ymail.com


German SIG #Germany Origin of BINENBAUM Surname and derivations #germany

Larry Binenbaum
 

MODERATOR NOTE: Dr. Beider's book has been cited here. Citations of other
reference books of this kind will be accepted since questions about name origins
are sent to us so often.

Speculation about the origns of the names below should be sent to Mr. B. off list.

Thanks for your cooperation. MOD 1 >>>>

I know that according to Dr. Alexander Beider's reference book "A Dictionary
of Jewish Surnames >from the Russian Empire" the Binenbaum (Bienenbaum) Surname
when translated >from it's German origin means either "bee tree" or "bee hive".

Can anyone please tell me what the meaning is of the below Surnames:
Birnenbaum, Berenbaum, Tenenbaum.

Thank you very much in advance.

Larry Binenbaum Los Angeles, California, Binenbaum@ymail.com


online database? #hungary

tom
 

there was a searchable database of the hungarian casualties of ww2
online at <http://www.netlap.hu/vasarnapiujsag/hosok.htm>, which
included many of those who died in the forced labour battalions, but
unfortunately, it's no longer accessible, and i couldn't find it
using google.

is this file available anywhere else?


....... tom klein, toronto


Records of HUNGARIAN FORCED LABOUR RECORDS #hungary

Eva Blanket
 

With Gabor Hirsh's guidance I was able to, at least I think I was, get to
the database referring to Hungarian Forced Labour Battalion records, but
unfortunately, it only seems to list those poor unfortunates who either died
or went missing whilst in the battalion. It did not list those who were
conscripted and survived.

I was hoping to get the unit number of my father's group and get insight to
where he was located.

In the photo Archive of the USHMM there are amazing photos of a Forced
Labour Battalion '108/57' taken by Adalbert FEHER at a place called Sianki.
As well as just the general information sought, I wondered if per chance,
my father might have been in this group.
Would anyone know if their would be a written list of the members of this
battalion '108/57'?

Regards,
Eva BLANKET
Sydney, AUSTRALIA

Searching:
HERMAN (Turka/Tuchol'ka(POLAND)/Nizni Vorota(Verecky)/Israel/Australia)
DAVIDOVITS (Szinever/Chust/USA/Australia)
LIPSHITZ?LIFSHITS (Zhdeneve)
WEISS (Talamas/Hukliva/Kosice/USA/Israel)
NEUMAN/NEIMAN (Torun/USA/Israel)
all originally Austro-Hungary then Czech. and today the Ukraine.
BLANKET/BLANKIET (Lodz, Lask - POLAND)
BLANKET (London, England) (Paris, France)


Hungary SIG #Hungary online database? #hungary

tom
 

there was a searchable database of the hungarian casualties of ww2
online at <http://www.netlap.hu/vasarnapiujsag/hosok.htm>, which
included many of those who died in the forced labour battalions, but
unfortunately, it's no longer accessible, and i couldn't find it
using google.

is this file available anywhere else?


....... tom klein, toronto


Hungary SIG #Hungary Records of HUNGARIAN FORCED LABOUR RECORDS #hungary

Eva Blanket
 

With Gabor Hirsh's guidance I was able to, at least I think I was, get to
the database referring to Hungarian Forced Labour Battalion records, but
unfortunately, it only seems to list those poor unfortunates who either died
or went missing whilst in the battalion. It did not list those who were
conscripted and survived.

I was hoping to get the unit number of my father's group and get insight to
where he was located.

In the photo Archive of the USHMM there are amazing photos of a Forced
Labour Battalion '108/57' taken by Adalbert FEHER at a place called Sianki.
As well as just the general information sought, I wondered if per chance,
my father might have been in this group.
Would anyone know if their would be a written list of the members of this
battalion '108/57'?

Regards,
Eva BLANKET
Sydney, AUSTRALIA

Searching:
HERMAN (Turka/Tuchol'ka(POLAND)/Nizni Vorota(Verecky)/Israel/Australia)
DAVIDOVITS (Szinever/Chust/USA/Australia)
LIPSHITZ?LIFSHITS (Zhdeneve)
WEISS (Talamas/Hukliva/Kosice/USA/Israel)
NEUMAN/NEIMAN (Torun/USA/Israel)
all originally Austro-Hungary then Czech. and today the Ukraine.
BLANKET/BLANKIET (Lodz, Lask - POLAND)
BLANKET (London, England) (Paris, France)


Czech Document #hungary

Scott D. Seligman <heyscott@...>
 

I've got a 1990 article on antsemitism written in Czech (or Slovak, I'm not
sure) by a relative of mine and would like to know if it contains any
genealogically relevant material. Is there anyone out there who is competent
in Czech who would volunteer to take a look at it? I'm not after a full
translation - just a summary of relevant points if there are any. Since
Viewmate seems to be non-functional for the moment, please reply to me
privately and I will send you the document as an attachment.

Many thanks...

Scott Seligman


Hungary SIG #Hungary Czech Document #hungary

Scott D. Seligman <heyscott@...>
 

I've got a 1990 article on antsemitism written in Czech (or Slovak, I'm not
sure) by a relative of mine and would like to know if it contains any
genealogically relevant material. Is there anyone out there who is competent
in Czech who would volunteer to take a look at it? I'm not after a full
translation - just a summary of relevant points if there are any. Since
Viewmate seems to be non-functional for the moment, please reply to me
privately and I will send you the document as an attachment.

Many thanks...

Scott Seligman