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Re: Ostrolenker society #general

Paul Altesman <paltesman@...>
 

I did research on this at YIVO for a friend and found in their archives two
societies (Landsmanchaften): the Ostrolenker Friendship Society and the
Progressive Young Friends Association later known as the Independent Young
Friends Association. I'll give a brief description of what they have for
both (especially since there may be others interested).

The Ostrolenker Friendship Society seemed to be the more "traditionalist"
(maybe somewhat Orthodox) in membership. YIVO has a membership ledger but
only >from the 1950's on and with only about 30 remaining names. Motifiore
Cemetery in Queens, NY was where they had plots; there is post-war
correspondence >from the cemetery >from about *individual* plots (maybe
another 20 names) and some correspondence >from an insurance company over
death benefits (another 30 names?).

The Progressive Young Friends seemed to have been founded by a "snappier"
crowd with later links to the Jewish Forward. YIVO has their Constitution,
a minutes book, and a 25th Anniversary Journal (p.1937) - all in Yiddish.
The Journal has photos of officers and a membership list of names. There is
also a Membership Directory (with addresses) >from the 1950s (with 70
names??). I did not see cemetery references but I also can not read the
Yiddish anniversary book.

Unfortunately, YIVO's archives are now closed until they open their new
facility (in Feb or March?). For you or others who are interested, you can
contact me off-list, I might be able to put you in touch with people who
know more than me.

I recommend YIVO's archives for anyone who has interests like this -
although one has to be willing to sift through a lot of organizational
paperwork.

Paul Altesman
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Ostrolenker society #general

Paul Altesman <paltesman@...>
 

I did research on this at YIVO for a friend and found in their archives two
societies (Landsmanchaften): the Ostrolenker Friendship Society and the
Progressive Young Friends Association later known as the Independent Young
Friends Association. I'll give a brief description of what they have for
both (especially since there may be others interested).

The Ostrolenker Friendship Society seemed to be the more "traditionalist"
(maybe somewhat Orthodox) in membership. YIVO has a membership ledger but
only >from the 1950's on and with only about 30 remaining names. Motifiore
Cemetery in Queens, NY was where they had plots; there is post-war
correspondence >from the cemetery >from about *individual* plots (maybe
another 20 names) and some correspondence >from an insurance company over
death benefits (another 30 names?).

The Progressive Young Friends seemed to have been founded by a "snappier"
crowd with later links to the Jewish Forward. YIVO has their Constitution,
a minutes book, and a 25th Anniversary Journal (p.1937) - all in Yiddish.
The Journal has photos of officers and a membership list of names. There is
also a Membership Directory (with addresses) >from the 1950s (with 70
names??). I did not see cemetery references but I also can not read the
Yiddish anniversary book.

Unfortunately, YIVO's archives are now closed until they open their new
facility (in Feb or March?). For you or others who are interested, you can
contact me off-list, I might be able to put you in touch with people who
know more than me.

I recommend YIVO's archives for anyone who has interests like this -
although one has to be willing to sift through a lot of organizational
paperwork.

Paul Altesman
Will the real Priluki stand up please? #general

Carole/Phil Silverman
 

My maternal GF was born in Priluki, Ukraine according to his
naturalization papers. After checking JGen ShtetlSeeker, I find that
there are four Priluki's in the Ukraine. What a dilemma.

Phil Silverman
Culver City, CA
carephil@pacbell.net
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Will the real Priluki stand up please? #general

Carole/Phil Silverman
 

My maternal GF was born in Priluki, Ukraine according to his
naturalization papers. After checking JGen ShtetlSeeker, I find that
there are four Priluki's in the Ukraine. What a dilemma.

Phil Silverman
Culver City, CA
carephil@pacbell.net
East Side Workman's Benevolent Association - NYC #general

WRodman202@...
 

Subj: East Side Workman's Benevolent Association - NYC
Date: 10/1/98
To: jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org

Because I've received a some queries, I thought other JewishGenners might be
interested in this list of surnames associated with the East Side Workman's
Benevolent Association, a New York City burial society established in 1901,
which has a small burial plot in Beth David Cemetery in Elmont, NY. The
surnames listed below are inscribed on the entrance gates to this
organization's section of the cemetery. Individuals with a few other surnames
are also buried here.


ARNOW FARB KATZMAN REITZFIELD
AVNET FARBER KAUFMAN RODMAN
BUXBAUM FERBER KESSLER ROSENBERG
CHESTER FLAX MARKOWITZ ROSENTHAL
COHEN FRANKEL MARTIN SCHARP
COOPER GOLDSTEIN MEYEROWITZ WEINER
DIEBACH GOTTLIEB MYLES WEISS
ELKIN HOFFMAN PETRITZER WITKOFSKY


I do hope this list proves useful to somebody. A few of the names are rather
unusual.

Bill Rodman
Suffern, NY
WRodman202@aol.com
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen East Side Workman's Benevolent Association - NYC #general

WRodman202@...
 

Subj: East Side Workman's Benevolent Association - NYC
Date: 10/1/98
To: jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org

Because I've received a some queries, I thought other JewishGenners might be
interested in this list of surnames associated with the East Side Workman's
Benevolent Association, a New York City burial society established in 1901,
which has a small burial plot in Beth David Cemetery in Elmont, NY. The
surnames listed below are inscribed on the entrance gates to this
organization's section of the cemetery. Individuals with a few other surnames
are also buried here.


ARNOW FARB KATZMAN REITZFIELD
AVNET FARBER KAUFMAN RODMAN
BUXBAUM FERBER KESSLER ROSENBERG
CHESTER FLAX MARKOWITZ ROSENTHAL
COHEN FRANKEL MARTIN SCHARP
COOPER GOLDSTEIN MEYEROWITZ WEINER
DIEBACH GOTTLIEB MYLES WEISS
ELKIN HOFFMAN PETRITZER WITKOFSKY


I do hope this list proves useful to somebody. A few of the names are rather
unusual.

Bill Rodman
Suffern, NY
WRodman202@aol.com
Newcomer to all this #belarus

GROSSesq@...
 

I am just beginning to investigate my family tree, and have put together
enough information to know that both sides come >from Belarus. The towns are
Smorgon and Soly. They are basically east of Vilna on the Belarus side of the
border. Smorgon was the more substantial place and appears on current maps.
Soly is in the shtetl finder at JewishGen, but I cant get a map location.

Can anyone give me a bit of a heads up on how to get started? I am at a
loss to trace names, since the family names are reported to have been created
during the immigration process: GROSS, CRAMER, WITTENBERG are a few.

How does one get a look at a Yizkor book? One exists for Smorgon.

Thanks for your help.

Michael Gross
Chevy Chase, Md

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Michael, you should go to the home page of Jewishgen
and click on FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) by Warren Blatt. This is
one of the best single documents for someone new to Jewish genealgy to read
before you do anything else. Most of the questions you asked above are
answered in the FAQ. I would also highly recommend that you join your
local Jewish Genealogy Society: the Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater
Washington. Their webpage will provide more information
<http://www.jewishgen.org/jgsgw/>. You should also check the JGFF database
for you surnames and shtetls.
Belarus SIG #Belarus Newcomer to all this #belarus

GROSSesq@...
 

I am just beginning to investigate my family tree, and have put together
enough information to know that both sides come >from Belarus. The towns are
Smorgon and Soly. They are basically east of Vilna on the Belarus side of the
border. Smorgon was the more substantial place and appears on current maps.
Soly is in the shtetl finder at JewishGen, but I cant get a map location.

Can anyone give me a bit of a heads up on how to get started? I am at a
loss to trace names, since the family names are reported to have been created
during the immigration process: GROSS, CRAMER, WITTENBERG are a few.

How does one get a look at a Yizkor book? One exists for Smorgon.

Thanks for your help.

Michael Gross
Chevy Chase, Md

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Michael, you should go to the home page of Jewishgen
and click on FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) by Warren Blatt. This is
one of the best single documents for someone new to Jewish genealgy to read
before you do anything else. Most of the questions you asked above are
answered in the FAQ. I would also highly recommend that you join your
local Jewish Genealogy Society: the Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater
Washington. Their webpage will provide more information
<http://www.jewishgen.org/jgsgw/>. You should also check the JGFF database
for you surnames and shtetls.
Vienna families #general

Stella Baldev <sbaldev@...>
 

Seeking info. about Leopold SONNTAG, Fanny (Sonntag) VOLKEN, his sister and
Fanny's husband, Adolph VOLKEN. Fanny's last known address (1939) was in
Vienna. I have come across many listings for the name VOLKEN in
California, but do not know if there is any connection. Does anyone
recognize these names ?
Master List #general

_DEFAULT <_DEFAULT@...>
 

My ancestors come >from Balta, Ukraine, and I've found where to write locals
there.
Here's my question: what list could I ask for that would have the sum total
of my great grandfather's family?
In other words, if Avraham GRANOVSKY and his wife had two sons and three
daughters, where would this be recorded?

Jefferson Graham

jeffersongraham@prodigy.net
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Vienna families #general

Stella Baldev <sbaldev@...>
 

Seeking info. about Leopold SONNTAG, Fanny (Sonntag) VOLKEN, his sister and
Fanny's husband, Adolph VOLKEN. Fanny's last known address (1939) was in
Vienna. I have come across many listings for the name VOLKEN in
California, but do not know if there is any connection. Does anyone
recognize these names ?
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Master List #general

_DEFAULT <_DEFAULT@...>
 

My ancestors come >from Balta, Ukraine, and I've found where to write locals
there.
Here's my question: what list could I ask for that would have the sum total
of my great grandfather's family?
In other words, if Avraham GRANOVSKY and his wife had two sons and three
daughters, where would this be recorded?

Jefferson Graham

jeffersongraham@prodigy.net
Orchestras in Minsk #belarus

Sharon Ferguson <sferguson@...>
 

I was just speaking with my mother regarding my research and she made
mention that before my ggf immigrated to US in late 1890's he was a
violinist in a orchestra in Minsk. Would this be a possible area of
research, would they keep records of members? Any help is greatly
appreciated.
Sincerely,
Sharon Ferguson
Belarus SIG #Belarus Orchestras in Minsk #belarus

Sharon Ferguson <sferguson@...>
 

I was just speaking with my mother regarding my research and she made
mention that before my ggf immigrated to US in late 1890's he was a
violinist in a orchestra in Minsk. Would this be a possible area of
research, would they keep records of members? Any help is greatly
appreciated.
Sincerely,
Sharon Ferguson
Re: Minsk Revision List 1811 - Part 1 #belarus

Randy Rynkewicz <t30rrr1@...>
 

Vitaly Charny wrote:
<< compiled and transliterate >from Russian the list of
Jewish surnames >from Minsk, Belarus I found in
Revision List (Revizhskaya Skazka) 1811. >>
<<<

I am new here - where might I find the list referred to above?

Randy Rynkewicz

MODERATOR'S NOTE: The Revision List 1811 is located in the Minsk archives
and was filmed by the Mormons (LDS). The microfilms can be ordered at any
LDS Family History Center. The film numbers are: 2,008,322-324. Be
advised that these lists are written in Russian.
Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Minsk Revision List 1811 - Part 1 #belarus

Randy Rynkewicz <t30rrr1@...>
 

Vitaly Charny wrote:
<< compiled and transliterate >from Russian the list of
Jewish surnames >from Minsk, Belarus I found in
Revision List (Revizhskaya Skazka) 1811. >>
<<<

I am new here - where might I find the list referred to above?

Randy Rynkewicz

MODERATOR'S NOTE: The Revision List 1811 is located in the Minsk archives
and was filmed by the Mormons (LDS). The microfilms can be ordered at any
LDS Family History Center. The film numbers are: 2,008,322-324. Be
advised that these lists are written in Russian.
Re: Interesting Research Results! #belarus

David Goldman <davic@...>
 

(David Goldman) wrote:
An interesting detail is that he was *absent* >from the census of 1854...
It just occured to me that *absent* must be different than death,
which is stated explicitly, so the absence can be attributed to
something like being away on business at the time of the census. But
each of several years? That would be the same for Shmuel as well as
his grandfather Mordechai I guess.

David Goldman
Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Interesting Research Results! #belarus

David Goldman <davic@...>
 

(David Goldman) wrote:
An interesting detail is that he was *absent* >from the census of 1854...
It just occured to me that *absent* must be different than death,
which is stated explicitly, so the absence can be attributed to
something like being away on business at the time of the census. But
each of several years? That would be the same for Shmuel as well as
his grandfather Mordechai I guess.

David Goldman
Interesting Research Results! #belarus

David Goldman <davic@...>
 

On 28 Sep 1998 17:49:29 -0700, in soc.genealogy.jewish
davic@pop.erols.com (David Goldman) wrote:

I have just received some bits of genealogy treasures >from some research
done through RAGAS on the family of my great-grandfather Israel Hirsh
Ziselman. Some of you might remember that he was the key to me becoming
genealogy buff. Five years ago on a quick visit to my family up in Calgary
Canada we took a quick Friday afternoon trip to a local museum which had,
by pure "coincidence" my great-grandfather's religious artifacts on
display. Perhaps of all my research, the material on Israel Hirsh
(1870-1962) is the most detailed so far. In addition, it shows the
priceless value of census data which I guess began in the beginning of the
19th century in the Russian empire. See what you think of my speculations
based on this material....

The census data >from the 19th century in his home district of Borisov
which I guess included Stare-Borisov) yielded the following. Luckily I
already knew his father's name, Yeruchem Ziselman. Well not only did the
census list a Yeruchem aged 10 in 1851, which would have made him 30 years
older than his son Israel Hirsh, but Yerucham's father SHMUEL is also
listed in the census of 1851 and 1834. Shmuel
was born in 1819, thus 51 when his grandson was born in 1870.
An interesting detail is that he was *absent* >from the census of 1854. He
had one wife RIVKA ABRAMOVA in 1851, and a wife ESTER YUDOVA in the census
of 1858 where he was not listed. I don't know how they bothered to record
her husband's name if he wasn't around.....His daughter RASYA was evidently
raised by ESTER, since RASYA is listed listed as his 2 year old daughter in
1851 with RIVKA and 9 in 1858 with ESTER. Note that the censuses refer to
children as the children of the FATHER rather than both parents.

SHMUEL'S son Yeruchem (1841-1928?) was obviously named after Shmuel's
father, who died at a very young age in 1824, when Shmuel was only 6 years
old. YERUCHEM was only 26! Interesting: This Yeruchem's father, MORDECHAI
was listed as "absent" after the census of 1824, at the age of 60, born in
1764.

MORDECHAI ZISELMAN had at least 3 sons: Yeruchem, Faibish, (who ALSO died
at the tender age of 28 in 1820!) and Aron. Mordechai's wife was KUNA, born
in 1774. MORDECHAI was the son of BORUCH.

Question about census: The censuses list additional "relatives". Does this
suggest that these people lived together in the same house? There were two
relative in both the census of 1814 and 1834. Why are their deaths recorded
for the census of 1837 and 1844??!

Regards,
David Goldman, the great-great-great-great-great-grandson of BORUCH
ZISELMAN (1734-1814?)!!
Belarus SIG #Belarus Interesting Research Results! #belarus

David Goldman <davic@...>
 

On 28 Sep 1998 17:49:29 -0700, in soc.genealogy.jewish
davic@pop.erols.com (David Goldman) wrote:

I have just received some bits of genealogy treasures >from some research
done through RAGAS on the family of my great-grandfather Israel Hirsh
Ziselman. Some of you might remember that he was the key to me becoming
genealogy buff. Five years ago on a quick visit to my family up in Calgary
Canada we took a quick Friday afternoon trip to a local museum which had,
by pure "coincidence" my great-grandfather's religious artifacts on
display. Perhaps of all my research, the material on Israel Hirsh
(1870-1962) is the most detailed so far. In addition, it shows the
priceless value of census data which I guess began in the beginning of the
19th century in the Russian empire. See what you think of my speculations
based on this material....

The census data >from the 19th century in his home district of Borisov
which I guess included Stare-Borisov) yielded the following. Luckily I
already knew his father's name, Yeruchem Ziselman. Well not only did the
census list a Yeruchem aged 10 in 1851, which would have made him 30 years
older than his son Israel Hirsh, but Yerucham's father SHMUEL is also
listed in the census of 1851 and 1834. Shmuel
was born in 1819, thus 51 when his grandson was born in 1870.
An interesting detail is that he was *absent* >from the census of 1854. He
had one wife RIVKA ABRAMOVA in 1851, and a wife ESTER YUDOVA in the census
of 1858 where he was not listed. I don't know how they bothered to record
her husband's name if he wasn't around.....His daughter RASYA was evidently
raised by ESTER, since RASYA is listed listed as his 2 year old daughter in
1851 with RIVKA and 9 in 1858 with ESTER. Note that the censuses refer to
children as the children of the FATHER rather than both parents.

SHMUEL'S son Yeruchem (1841-1928?) was obviously named after Shmuel's
father, who died at a very young age in 1824, when Shmuel was only 6 years
old. YERUCHEM was only 26! Interesting: This Yeruchem's father, MORDECHAI
was listed as "absent" after the census of 1824, at the age of 60, born in
1764.

MORDECHAI ZISELMAN had at least 3 sons: Yeruchem, Faibish, (who ALSO died
at the tender age of 28 in 1820!) and Aron. Mordechai's wife was KUNA, born
in 1774. MORDECHAI was the son of BORUCH.

Question about census: The censuses list additional "relatives". Does this
suggest that these people lived together in the same house? There were two
relative in both the census of 1814 and 1834. Why are their deaths recorded
for the census of 1837 and 1844??!

Regards,
David Goldman, the great-great-great-great-great-grandson of BORUCH
ZISELMAN (1734-1814?)!!
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