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Re Abraham STERN of Trebon b. 1747 #austria-czech

Thomas_Fuerth <08.330516@...>
 

Susie and Celia have already told you a lot about one my ancestors Abraham
STERN of Trebon or Wittingau in German.( I am "Tom >from Sweden") Yes
Abraham STERN was a wealthy man. How wealthy he was you can find out in his
inventory published in extensio in Judaica Bohemiae vol XXX-XXXI, Praha
1996. On page 47-72 you will find:

Lenka Mautsikova: Bestandaufnahme der Hinterlassenschaf von Abraham stern
Kaufmanns und Prächters einer Schnapsbrennerei in Trebon (Wittingau).

Here you will find almost everything >from a pistol to a horse, >from lots of
funiture to soup plates. It gives you a flavour of how a well to do Jewish
family could live in the late 1800 century. Abraham STERN and his wife
Rosina had eleven children, who were between 26 and 4 years old when there
father died. Rosina STERN died a year later.

Through the printed version of the 1793 census of Boehemian Jews I found
the father of Abraham STERN and probably also a brother and his family.
Celia has most of that information in her e-mail. The five volumes of the
1793 census have helped me a lot.

By the way does anyone know if the last volume - no VI with all the Jewish
families in Prague - is already published. At the Narodni Archiv in Prague
they told me half a year ago that it will be published late this year.

Thomas Fuerth
Stockholm, Sweden
08.330516@...

FUERTH, Susice and Kolesovice, HELLER, Orakov, ENGEL, Libomysl and Prague,
STERN, Trebon, STERN, Miskovice, LEINER, Blsany, GROSSMAN, Police and
Vienna, JANOWSKY, Janovice nad Uhlavou, POPPER and DUSCHENES, Breznice and
Prague
GROSZMANN, Mor Hungary, MANDL, Mor, Hungary.


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re Abraham STERN of Trebon b. 1747 #austria-czech

Thomas_Fuerth <08.330516@...>
 

Susie and Celia have already told you a lot about one my ancestors Abraham
STERN of Trebon or Wittingau in German.( I am "Tom >from Sweden") Yes
Abraham STERN was a wealthy man. How wealthy he was you can find out in his
inventory published in extensio in Judaica Bohemiae vol XXX-XXXI, Praha
1996. On page 47-72 you will find:

Lenka Mautsikova: Bestandaufnahme der Hinterlassenschaf von Abraham stern
Kaufmanns und Prächters einer Schnapsbrennerei in Trebon (Wittingau).

Here you will find almost everything >from a pistol to a horse, >from lots of
funiture to soup plates. It gives you a flavour of how a well to do Jewish
family could live in the late 1800 century. Abraham STERN and his wife
Rosina had eleven children, who were between 26 and 4 years old when there
father died. Rosina STERN died a year later.

Through the printed version of the 1793 census of Boehemian Jews I found
the father of Abraham STERN and probably also a brother and his family.
Celia has most of that information in her e-mail. The five volumes of the
1793 census have helped me a lot.

By the way does anyone know if the last volume - no VI with all the Jewish
families in Prague - is already published. At the Narodni Archiv in Prague
they told me half a year ago that it will be published late this year.

Thomas Fuerth
Stockholm, Sweden
08.330516@...

FUERTH, Susice and Kolesovice, HELLER, Orakov, ENGEL, Libomysl and Prague,
STERN, Trebon, STERN, Miskovice, LEINER, Blsany, GROSSMAN, Police and
Vienna, JANOWSKY, Janovice nad Uhlavou, POPPER and DUSCHENES, Breznice and
Prague
GROSZMANN, Mor Hungary, MANDL, Mor, Hungary.


Trebon and the Abraham Stern family - some perplexities #austria-czech

samorai <samorai@...>
 

Regarding Susan Boyer's posting [5 Dec 2005] and Celia Male's reply [6
december 2005] about Abraham Stern family of Trebon. I still can't be sure
whether this is a definitive finding, although I have confidence in Celia's
extensive data bases and her impressive rapid access to them.

1. Celia's findings indicate that there are at least two locations in
Bohemia called Trebon: one is in the Tabor kreis and one is in the Budweiser
kreis. In trying to help Susan, I provided her with what Celia found for the
Trebon in Tabor kreis. I do not have the Budweiser kreis census for 1793 so
I could not know that there was another Trebon. However, I had used Mapquest
which showed me only one Trebon, and seemed to match what was listed in the
Tabor 1793 census. Interestingly, while the index gives page 333 for Trebon,
the name nowhere appears on page 333. A "substitue" name, Wittingau (or
Wittignau) is given Thus, there would seem to be a Trebon in Budweiser kreis
which no longer exists today, but I would like to see this verified
(contemporary or old maps, as the case may be).

2. In a private response, I deemed the Abraham Stern at Trebon (Tabor kreis)
as an "unlikely" candidate for Susan Boyer's ancestor since he would be
middle aged in 1793. However, he and 3 additional married brothers are
listed as living with their step-mother, Franciska. No children are given
for the married Stern brothers. So I couldn't absolutely rule him out.

3. Franciska Stern may or may not be rich, but she sure has a plethora of
human resources. But more importantly, her situation reveals how ineffective
the Familiant law was. There are 5 sons, presumably >from a first marriage of
Elias Stern (Franciska was his second wife, who survived him and was a widow
in 1793), four of whom are married and living in Bohemia. While no children
are given, is this a bureaucratic sleight of hand? Abraham is not given
schutz status in the data, yet he is the first born and should have
inherited the schutz status of his deceased father. I don't think that
Franciska can trump his schutz status.

4. It is a curiosity, but is the lord of the manor so weak or so powerful
that the number of Jewish families under the aegis of one widow - or even
under Elias Stern - could be admitted and maintained? Perhaps they generated
such a large income, that tax-wise they were a boon for everybody. Like Ales
Valenta's Jewish leaseholder and power agent, Joachim Kantor [Judaica
Bohemiae XXXIX, 2003], Elias Stern of Trebon (Tabor kreis) seems to beg for
further research.

Paul King


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Trebon and the Abraham Stern family - some perplexities #austria-czech

samorai <samorai@...>
 

Regarding Susan Boyer's posting [5 Dec 2005] and Celia Male's reply [6
december 2005] about Abraham Stern family of Trebon. I still can't be sure
whether this is a definitive finding, although I have confidence in Celia's
extensive data bases and her impressive rapid access to them.

1. Celia's findings indicate that there are at least two locations in
Bohemia called Trebon: one is in the Tabor kreis and one is in the Budweiser
kreis. In trying to help Susan, I provided her with what Celia found for the
Trebon in Tabor kreis. I do not have the Budweiser kreis census for 1793 so
I could not know that there was another Trebon. However, I had used Mapquest
which showed me only one Trebon, and seemed to match what was listed in the
Tabor 1793 census. Interestingly, while the index gives page 333 for Trebon,
the name nowhere appears on page 333. A "substitue" name, Wittingau (or
Wittignau) is given Thus, there would seem to be a Trebon in Budweiser kreis
which no longer exists today, but I would like to see this verified
(contemporary or old maps, as the case may be).

2. In a private response, I deemed the Abraham Stern at Trebon (Tabor kreis)
as an "unlikely" candidate for Susan Boyer's ancestor since he would be
middle aged in 1793. However, he and 3 additional married brothers are
listed as living with their step-mother, Franciska. No children are given
for the married Stern brothers. So I couldn't absolutely rule him out.

3. Franciska Stern may or may not be rich, but she sure has a plethora of
human resources. But more importantly, her situation reveals how ineffective
the Familiant law was. There are 5 sons, presumably >from a first marriage of
Elias Stern (Franciska was his second wife, who survived him and was a widow
in 1793), four of whom are married and living in Bohemia. While no children
are given, is this a bureaucratic sleight of hand? Abraham is not given
schutz status in the data, yet he is the first born and should have
inherited the schutz status of his deceased father. I don't think that
Franciska can trump his schutz status.

4. It is a curiosity, but is the lord of the manor so weak or so powerful
that the number of Jewish families under the aegis of one widow - or even
under Elias Stern - could be admitted and maintained? Perhaps they generated
such a large income, that tax-wise they were a boon for everybody. Like Ales
Valenta's Jewish leaseholder and power agent, Joachim Kantor [Judaica
Bohemiae XXXIX, 2003], Elias Stern of Trebon (Tabor kreis) seems to beg for
further research.

Paul King


JGSGW-Washington DC - December 11 Meeting #general

Marlene Bishow
 

On Sunday, December 11, 2005,
the Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater Washington (DC)
will have a 3-part program
at B'nai Israel Congregation in Rockville, MD.

Workshop-----Discussion Group-----Movie & Panel

Workshop:

Beginner's Workshop (11:00 AM - 1:00 PM)

President Sharlene Kranz is the instructor for this workshop for members
only.* Learn the basics about starting your research or "kicking it up a
notch," as Sharlene walks you through the techniques and resources. Bring
your questions and be prepared to really get into the How and Where of
Jewish genealogy.A $12 fee is charged for a copy of "Capital Collections", a
comprehensive resource guide to doing genealogical research in the
Washington, DC-Baltimore area.

Reservations Required.
Contact Ben Fassberg at BenjaminF@...
*Non Members may join on the day of the workshop.
---
Discussion Group:

" Questions You Have Not Had a Chance to Ask" Discussion Group(11:00 AM -
1:00 PM)

An informal forum for seeking assistance >from fellow genealogists regarding
"brick walls," research techniques, resources and generally anything you
want to ask about or talk about. Members with all levels of expertise are
encouraged to attend.
Discussion Leader: Marlene Bishow
---
Movie & Panel:

Sunday Afternoon at the Movies (2:00 PM - 4:00 PM)

"Hollywoodism: Jews, Movies, and the American Dream"

This movie is based on the acclaimed book of the same name written by Neal
Gabler. The men who created Hollywood, men like Adolph Zucker (Paramount
founder), Carl Loemmle (Columbia founder), and Louis B. Mayer (MGM founder)
had a lot in common. They were all born or grew up within 500 miles of one
another, all renounced their Jewish faith and ties, and all helped create
Hollywood as it is today. This film discusses the effect on how major
American films in Hollywood were influenced by the Eastern European Jewish
culture that most of the major movie moguls who controlled the studios
shared.

A lively panel discussion led by Eli Savada will follow. Ben Okner and Jeff
Miller will join him.
---

Coming on January 8, 2006.....

Dr. Sallyann Amdur Sack
"The Ultimate Holocaust Project"

Sallyann Sack is the Editor of Avotaynu and winner of the IAJGS Lifetime
Achievement Award. She is a founding member of our society and
past-president of JGSGW. She will present a program regarding a new project
which she is chairing. The concept is to use the Yad Vashem database to
create family trees and use these to create virtual memorials to the
destroyed cities and shtetls of eastern Europe.

Marlene Bishow
JGSGW
VP - Programs

Visit our website at http://www.jewishgen.org/JGSGW/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGSGW-Washington DC - December 11 Meeting #general

Marlene Bishow
 

On Sunday, December 11, 2005,
the Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater Washington (DC)
will have a 3-part program
at B'nai Israel Congregation in Rockville, MD.

Workshop-----Discussion Group-----Movie & Panel

Workshop:

Beginner's Workshop (11:00 AM - 1:00 PM)

President Sharlene Kranz is the instructor for this workshop for members
only.* Learn the basics about starting your research or "kicking it up a
notch," as Sharlene walks you through the techniques and resources. Bring
your questions and be prepared to really get into the How and Where of
Jewish genealogy.A $12 fee is charged for a copy of "Capital Collections", a
comprehensive resource guide to doing genealogical research in the
Washington, DC-Baltimore area.

Reservations Required.
Contact Ben Fassberg at BenjaminF@...
*Non Members may join on the day of the workshop.
---
Discussion Group:

" Questions You Have Not Had a Chance to Ask" Discussion Group(11:00 AM -
1:00 PM)

An informal forum for seeking assistance >from fellow genealogists regarding
"brick walls," research techniques, resources and generally anything you
want to ask about or talk about. Members with all levels of expertise are
encouraged to attend.
Discussion Leader: Marlene Bishow
---
Movie & Panel:

Sunday Afternoon at the Movies (2:00 PM - 4:00 PM)

"Hollywoodism: Jews, Movies, and the American Dream"

This movie is based on the acclaimed book of the same name written by Neal
Gabler. The men who created Hollywood, men like Adolph Zucker (Paramount
founder), Carl Loemmle (Columbia founder), and Louis B. Mayer (MGM founder)
had a lot in common. They were all born or grew up within 500 miles of one
another, all renounced their Jewish faith and ties, and all helped create
Hollywood as it is today. This film discusses the effect on how major
American films in Hollywood were influenced by the Eastern European Jewish
culture that most of the major movie moguls who controlled the studios
shared.

A lively panel discussion led by Eli Savada will follow. Ben Okner and Jeff
Miller will join him.
---

Coming on January 8, 2006.....

Dr. Sallyann Amdur Sack
"The Ultimate Holocaust Project"

Sallyann Sack is the Editor of Avotaynu and winner of the IAJGS Lifetime
Achievement Award. She is a founding member of our society and
past-president of JGSGW. She will present a program regarding a new project
which she is chairing. The concept is to use the Yad Vashem database to
create family trees and use these to create virtual memorials to the
destroyed cities and shtetls of eastern Europe.

Marlene Bishow
JGSGW
VP - Programs

Visit our website at http://www.jewishgen.org/JGSGW/


JGS Palm Beach County, FL Dec. meeting #general

Sylvia Furshman Nusinov
 

Jewish Genealogical Society of Palm Beach County Inc.

Celebrating our Fifteenth Anniversary Year

www.jgspalmbeachcounty.org

December Monthly Meeting:
Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2005

Place: South County Civic Center, 16700 Jog Road, Delray Beach
Time: 11:30 AM Special Interest Group: Galicia. Classroom 1
12:30 PM Brick Wall Session (main meeting room)
1:00 PM Program followed by brief business meeting.
Program:
Mark Halpern
Director and Coordinator of Jewish Records Indexing Poland
and President JGS Greater Philadelphia

Important upcoming dates:

Fifteenth Anniversary Luncheon
Date: Sunday, January 29th, 2006
Place: Boca Raton Marriott at Boca Center, Boca Raton.
Time: 11:00 AM: Registration and informal get together on the patio.
2:00 Noon: Lunch, followed by Program.
Guest Speaker: Dr. Stephen P. Morse.
Topic: One-Step Web Pages: A Potpourri of Genealogical Search Tools
Returning by popular demand - renowned research genealogist, Dr. Stephen P.
Morse, author and developer of the incredible "One-Step Website," the
remarkable, user-friendly, genealogical tool.

The public is invited to attend. Reservations must be made in advance,
before January 20th, 2006. . Luncheon price is $25.00 per person for members
of JGSPBCI and their spouse or significant other. Guest fees are $30.00 per person.
Additional information: Betty Perloe bnp1925@...

January
Monthly meeting Wednesday, January 11, 2006
South County Civic Center , 16700 Jog Road, Delray Beach
11:30 AM Special Interest Groups: Lithuania Classroom 1; Poland Classroom 2
12:30 PM Brick Wall Session
1:00 PM Program (followed by brief business meeting and election of officers).
Guest Speaker: Michael Karsen: Writing Your Family History

February
Wednesday, February 22, 2006
JGSPBCI Mini-Conference
8:30 AM - 5:00PM
Beifield Auditorium, Phyllis and Harvey Sandler Center for Jewish Life
Enhancement
Levis Jewish Community Center Campus, Boca Raton, FL
Chairperson: Sylvia Furshman Nusinov curiousyl@...
Beginners and Intermediate Genealogical Workbook, 6th edition, updated and
revised, 191 pages, covers 36 topics.
Inquiries: contact Sylvia Furshman Nusinov

Dennis Rice, President, 561 738-7477 drtigers@...
Jacqueline Fineblit, e-mail coordinator 561 738-6724 jsfine@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS Palm Beach County, FL Dec. meeting #general

Sylvia Furshman Nusinov
 

Jewish Genealogical Society of Palm Beach County Inc.

Celebrating our Fifteenth Anniversary Year

www.jgspalmbeachcounty.org

December Monthly Meeting:
Date: Wednesday, December 14, 2005

Place: South County Civic Center, 16700 Jog Road, Delray Beach
Time: 11:30 AM Special Interest Group: Galicia. Classroom 1
12:30 PM Brick Wall Session (main meeting room)
1:00 PM Program followed by brief business meeting.
Program:
Mark Halpern
Director and Coordinator of Jewish Records Indexing Poland
and President JGS Greater Philadelphia

Important upcoming dates:

Fifteenth Anniversary Luncheon
Date: Sunday, January 29th, 2006
Place: Boca Raton Marriott at Boca Center, Boca Raton.
Time: 11:00 AM: Registration and informal get together on the patio.
2:00 Noon: Lunch, followed by Program.
Guest Speaker: Dr. Stephen P. Morse.
Topic: One-Step Web Pages: A Potpourri of Genealogical Search Tools
Returning by popular demand - renowned research genealogist, Dr. Stephen P.
Morse, author and developer of the incredible "One-Step Website," the
remarkable, user-friendly, genealogical tool.

The public is invited to attend. Reservations must be made in advance,
before January 20th, 2006. . Luncheon price is $25.00 per person for members
of JGSPBCI and their spouse or significant other. Guest fees are $30.00 per person.
Additional information: Betty Perloe bnp1925@...

January
Monthly meeting Wednesday, January 11, 2006
South County Civic Center , 16700 Jog Road, Delray Beach
11:30 AM Special Interest Groups: Lithuania Classroom 1; Poland Classroom 2
12:30 PM Brick Wall Session
1:00 PM Program (followed by brief business meeting and election of officers).
Guest Speaker: Michael Karsen: Writing Your Family History

February
Wednesday, February 22, 2006
JGSPBCI Mini-Conference
8:30 AM - 5:00PM
Beifield Auditorium, Phyllis and Harvey Sandler Center for Jewish Life
Enhancement
Levis Jewish Community Center Campus, Boca Raton, FL
Chairperson: Sylvia Furshman Nusinov curiousyl@...
Beginners and Intermediate Genealogical Workbook, 6th edition, updated and
revised, 191 pages, covers 36 topics.
Inquiries: contact Sylvia Furshman Nusinov

Dennis Rice, President, 561 738-7477 drtigers@...
Jacqueline Fineblit, e-mail coordinator 561 738-6724 jsfine@...


Request for information about Nuchim (Nachum, Natan) EEDELSBURG #lodz #poland

Charles Edelsburg <charles.edelsburg@...>
 

My name is Charles Edelsburg and I live in NY. I am writing a
biographical essay introducing a group of Yiddish poems my father wrote
while an inmate at Sachsenhausen in 1944. I am therefore in pursuit of
any information or documentation relating to my father. He was a Polish
citizen, born near Warsaw in Minsk Mazowiecki on March 22, 1907. He may
have served at some point prior to the war in the Polish Army (no proof
of this). As far as I know, at the outbreak of the war, he was living
in Lodz with his wife and child. His name was Nuchim (Nachum)
EDELSBURG. He was in the Lodz Ghetto until 1943, working, I am told, as
a printer and was then sent to several camps, including Sachsenhausen as
a member of a special group of counterfeiters working for an SS group
hoping to destabilize the British economy by flooding it with forged
Pound Sterling notes. After the war, he eventually returned to Lodz
where he worked at a newspaper (also as a printer) and remarried (to my
mother, Gita) in Sept-Oct. 1945. He moved to NYC on November 6, 1951.
He died in 1984.

My father spoke very little about his life in Poland or his horrifying
experiences during WWII. In piecing together the major signposts of his
life, I am turning to you for help in this regard, i.e. for any
documentary information about him that may exist.

Thank you for any help or guidance you can provide in this matter. I am
sending this e-mail to other members of the Culture, Press and
Information Office, not knowing who precisely I should refer to.


Charles Edelsburg
e-mail: cie100153@...

[Moderator Note: The sender's personal contact information has been omitted
for reasons of privacy. Please respond privately, unless your response may be of
interest to the entire group.]


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland Request for information about Nuchim (Nachum, Natan) EEDELSBURG #lodz #poland

Charles Edelsburg <charles.edelsburg@...>
 

My name is Charles Edelsburg and I live in NY. I am writing a
biographical essay introducing a group of Yiddish poems my father wrote
while an inmate at Sachsenhausen in 1944. I am therefore in pursuit of
any information or documentation relating to my father. He was a Polish
citizen, born near Warsaw in Minsk Mazowiecki on March 22, 1907. He may
have served at some point prior to the war in the Polish Army (no proof
of this). As far as I know, at the outbreak of the war, he was living
in Lodz with his wife and child. His name was Nuchim (Nachum)
EDELSBURG. He was in the Lodz Ghetto until 1943, working, I am told, as
a printer and was then sent to several camps, including Sachsenhausen as
a member of a special group of counterfeiters working for an SS group
hoping to destabilize the British economy by flooding it with forged
Pound Sterling notes. After the war, he eventually returned to Lodz
where he worked at a newspaper (also as a printer) and remarried (to my
mother, Gita) in Sept-Oct. 1945. He moved to NYC on November 6, 1951.
He died in 1984.

My father spoke very little about his life in Poland or his horrifying
experiences during WWII. In piecing together the major signposts of his
life, I am turning to you for help in this regard, i.e. for any
documentary information about him that may exist.

Thank you for any help or guidance you can provide in this matter. I am
sending this e-mail to other members of the Culture, Press and
Information Office, not knowing who precisely I should refer to.


Charles Edelsburg
e-mail: cie100153@...

[Moderator Note: The sender's personal contact information has been omitted
for reasons of privacy. Please respond privately, unless your response may be of
interest to the entire group.]


Given Name Chaim #general

Ruth Hyman <ruth.hyman@...>
 

Hi Genners,
Does anyone know when the name Chaim came into common use?
Ruth Hyman
Rockville Centre, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Given Name Chaim #general

Ruth Hyman <ruth.hyman@...>
 

Hi Genners,
Does anyone know when the name Chaim came into common use?
Ruth Hyman
Rockville Centre, NY


Kiev lookup #general

Marilyn F <mrl516@...>
 

I am looking for a Yuri MILGROM in Kiev. If anyone knows this person or his
family, please contact me. I can tell him about hundreds of his relatives!
Thanks very much. Marilyn Feingold

MILGROM,KORMAN-Tulchin SCHLAFFER, SZAFIR-Kamenka ( Moldova)
PEKARSKY/SOKOLOFSKY-Tashkent/Israel FELDMAN, SHENKER-Obodivka
STEINBERG/LERNER/ELKUS/MILGROM/Kishinev/Odessa
TESLER/MALAMUD/LUBER-Kamenka (Moldova) ROSENTHAL-Worone/Pittsburgh
KOLKER/TARTAKOV/SPIVAK-Obodivaka MILTER-Kodima (Moldova)
TONKONOGY-Frunza (Tashkent)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Kiev lookup #general

Marilyn F <mrl516@...>
 

I am looking for a Yuri MILGROM in Kiev. If anyone knows this person or his
family, please contact me. I can tell him about hundreds of his relatives!
Thanks very much. Marilyn Feingold

MILGROM,KORMAN-Tulchin SCHLAFFER, SZAFIR-Kamenka ( Moldova)
PEKARSKY/SOKOLOFSKY-Tashkent/Israel FELDMAN, SHENKER-Obodivka
STEINBERG/LERNER/ELKUS/MILGROM/Kishinev/Odessa
TESLER/MALAMUD/LUBER-Kamenka (Moldova) ROSENTHAL-Worone/Pittsburgh
KOLKER/TARTAKOV/SPIVAK-Obodivaka MILTER-Kodima (Moldova)
TONKONOGY-Frunza (Tashkent)


Re: Looking for My great Uncle & Aunt SCHNEIDERMAN #general

Yehudh bn Shlmo
 

--- stephen field <stemarfie@...> wrote:
I am looking for my great Uncle & Aunt Harry & Rebecca SCHNEIDERMAN.
Family mmembers say they should be buried at the Adath Jeshurun Cemetery
on Grove Street in West Roxbury, Massachusetts. I checked with The Jewish
Cemetery Association of Massachusetts. They do not have any records of them
being in that cemetery.
---

The JewishGen Online Worldwide Burial Registry lists
a Rebecca SCHNEIDERMAN in West Roxbury, but at
Lawrence Avenue Cemetery on Baker Street. You could
check this data base for an age match and call them.

Yehudah ben Shlomo
U.S.A.


My List of Updated "Searching For" Family Names and Places #general

Ricki L. Zunk <nockbockle@...>
 

It's been a very long time since I last posted my "searching for" list of
families and locations. Having made major inroads over the past 5 years, I
thought that now would be a good time to post my much more complete list of
names and places once again. If you find any of these names and places
familiar, please contact me *privately* at nockbockle@... and we'll
"talk" further in private. No need to tie up the whole list with stuff that
is of no use to anyone but us.

Searching for:

Family of Ricki Randall Zunk:

COHAN/COPLIN/COPLAND/COPELAND - Lithuania (near Vilna) to Philadelphia, PA
(some to Johannesburg, South Africa the then to Phila., PA
FRIEDMAN - Pyetrykau, Minsk Guberna (now Belarus) to NYC area and ?
GROSS - Kozova or Teofilpolka, Galicia (now Ukraine) to NYC area and ?
KRAMER - German-speaking part of the Pale to Lancaster and then to
Philadelphia, PA
KURSON/CURSON/CARSON - Ape and Smiltene, Latvia to Philadelphia, PA,
Texas/Oklahoma, Glasgow, Scotland, Cyprus, Israel, Australia, Tanzania
LEVINE/LEVINSKY/BIALAGORSKY - Minsk or Pinsk Guberna to Philadelphia, PA,
and Ontario Prov., Canada
RENDELSTEIN/RANDALL/RENDELL - Austria/Galicia (now Ukraine) to *anywhere*
(we're all related)
SCHNEIDERMAN - Pyetrykau, Minsk Guberna (now Belarus) to Brooklyn, NY

Family of Steven R. Zunk:

EKMAN/FINKELSTEIN - Novvy Oleksinets or Szumsk, Volhynia Guberna to Newark,
NJ area and Boston, MA area
FEIGEL/FINKEL - Szumsk, Volhynia Guberna to Newark, NJ and Boston, MA area
TROST - Hrubieszow, Poland to Newark, NJ, Brooklyn, NY, and Israel
ZUNK/ZUNG/ZANK - Arudlo (or Horodlo) and Austilla, Poland to Newark, NJ
ZYNGIER - probably the area in or around Lublin, Poland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Looking for My great Uncle & Aunt SCHNEIDERMAN #general

Yehudh bn Shlmo
 

--- stephen field <stemarfie@...> wrote:
I am looking for my great Uncle & Aunt Harry & Rebecca SCHNEIDERMAN.
Family mmembers say they should be buried at the Adath Jeshurun Cemetery
on Grove Street in West Roxbury, Massachusetts. I checked with The Jewish
Cemetery Association of Massachusetts. They do not have any records of them
being in that cemetery.
---

The JewishGen Online Worldwide Burial Registry lists
a Rebecca SCHNEIDERMAN in West Roxbury, but at
Lawrence Avenue Cemetery on Baker Street. You could
check this data base for an age match and call them.

Yehudah ben Shlomo
U.S.A.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen My List of Updated "Searching For" Family Names and Places #general

Ricki L. Zunk <nockbockle@...>
 

It's been a very long time since I last posted my "searching for" list of
families and locations. Having made major inroads over the past 5 years, I
thought that now would be a good time to post my much more complete list of
names and places once again. If you find any of these names and places
familiar, please contact me *privately* at nockbockle@... and we'll
"talk" further in private. No need to tie up the whole list with stuff that
is of no use to anyone but us.

Searching for:

Family of Ricki Randall Zunk:

COHAN/COPLIN/COPLAND/COPELAND - Lithuania (near Vilna) to Philadelphia, PA
(some to Johannesburg, South Africa the then to Phila., PA
FRIEDMAN - Pyetrykau, Minsk Guberna (now Belarus) to NYC area and ?
GROSS - Kozova or Teofilpolka, Galicia (now Ukraine) to NYC area and ?
KRAMER - German-speaking part of the Pale to Lancaster and then to
Philadelphia, PA
KURSON/CURSON/CARSON - Ape and Smiltene, Latvia to Philadelphia, PA,
Texas/Oklahoma, Glasgow, Scotland, Cyprus, Israel, Australia, Tanzania
LEVINE/LEVINSKY/BIALAGORSKY - Minsk or Pinsk Guberna to Philadelphia, PA,
and Ontario Prov., Canada
RENDELSTEIN/RANDALL/RENDELL - Austria/Galicia (now Ukraine) to *anywhere*
(we're all related)
SCHNEIDERMAN - Pyetrykau, Minsk Guberna (now Belarus) to Brooklyn, NY

Family of Steven R. Zunk:

EKMAN/FINKELSTEIN - Novvy Oleksinets or Szumsk, Volhynia Guberna to Newark,
NJ area and Boston, MA area
FEIGEL/FINKEL - Szumsk, Volhynia Guberna to Newark, NJ and Boston, MA area
TROST - Hrubieszow, Poland to Newark, NJ, Brooklyn, NY, and Israel
ZUNK/ZUNG/ZANK - Arudlo (or Horodlo) and Austilla, Poland to Newark, NJ
ZYNGIER - probably the area in or around Lublin, Poland


Re: What is the correct Hebrew and Yiddish Name #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 18:55:03 UTC, bechernick1@... opined:

Pardon my ignorance of Hebrew and Yiddish.
I have the names written in Hebrew >from the graves of three of Mr.
Berchansky's children. They are all slightly different. He died in
Russia, the three children died in the USA and Canada between 1918 and
1957. The family was >from the area between Odessa and Kiev in the
Ukraine. I realize the names are Tzvi, Moshe (Moses), and Hirsch, but
what is likely to have been his "correct" name in Hebrew and in Yiddish?
Grave 1 Tzadeh-Vet-Yod
Grave 2 Mem-Shin-Heh Tzadeh-Vet-Yod
Grave 3 Mem-Shin-Heh Heh-Ayin-Resh-Shin
Barry Chernick
Bellevue, WA
1) Zvi
2) Moshe Zvi
3) Moshe Hersh

First a general point: There is no letter called "vet". The B and V
sounds are the same letter. The sound changes according to position in
the word, not according to meaning. At the beginning of a syllable, it
is always B, hence the name of the letter *must* be "bet".

The man is called Zvi on grave 1, Moshe Zvi on grave 2, Moshe Hersh on
grave 3. I understand your confusion in 2 and 3.

"Zvi" and "Moshe" are obviously Hebrew names. The meaning of Hebrew
"Zvi" is English "Deer". "Hersh" is Yiddish, derived >from German
"Hirsch", which again means "Deer" in English.

I don't know what "correct" means in this context. In different places
and circumstances, he was Moshe-Hersh (in Europe, for sure) or
Moshe-Zvi. Informally, he was called Hersh or Zvi. Probably "Hersh"
and "Zvi" were the names most familiar to the people around him, his
family. You would have to ask the one who ordered stone #3 why he
specified Hersh rather than Zvi on a formal document, given that the
others used straight Hebrew names. Anyway, stones 1, 2, and 3 all
speak of the same person.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

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Atereth Zewi #general

Seg420@...
 

In looking for a particular synagogue in Manhattan circa 1904, I've come
across several spellings:

Atereth Zewi
Ateris Zwie
Atereth Z ' vi

According to one site, Atereth means glory, or crown. Zwei means two in
German. Are there other possible meanings of these words?

Thanks,
Susi Godfrey