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Re: GENI #austria-czech

ayana.kimron@...
 

I am writing here because I read the following in one of the responses
to this topic:
"Last week I was contacted by someone asking if my cousin was a match
for their cousin and it was but I said no.".

I was shocked at how far people are ready to go. Lie? Hide
information that can help another make new discoveries?
This type of approach is against all basics of genealogy research
where lots of info comes through sharing.
It is so simple to explain that you are not willing to merge at this
point. I've done it, people did it with me, and we live happily
together on the same platform.

GENI is not just for building your family tree. It is a platform for
family connections - it enables family branches to reunite "in their
family "house".
In GENI you can discover researchers >from other family branches and
group in sort of synergy for mutual assistance wherever possible. The
family tree and researching further into the past can be done outside
GENI.

I agree with the statement that if anyone wishes to build a family
tree privately - should not be bothered with GENI. A GEDCOM file at
home, out of Internet zone is the excellent solution.

Ayana Kimron

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Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech RE: GENI #austria-czech

ayana.kimron@...
 

I am writing here because I read the following in one of the responses
to this topic:
"Last week I was contacted by someone asking if my cousin was a match
for their cousin and it was but I said no.".

I was shocked at how far people are ready to go. Lie? Hide
information that can help another make new discoveries?
This type of approach is against all basics of genealogy research
where lots of info comes through sharing.
It is so simple to explain that you are not willing to merge at this
point. I've done it, people did it with me, and we live happily
together on the same platform.

GENI is not just for building your family tree. It is a platform for
family connections - it enables family branches to reunite "in their
family "house".
In GENI you can discover researchers >from other family branches and
group in sort of synergy for mutual assistance wherever possible. The
family tree and researching further into the past can be done outside
GENI.

I agree with the statement that if anyone wishes to build a family
tree privately - should not be bothered with GENI. A GEDCOM file at
home, out of Internet zone is the excellent solution.

Ayana Kimron

MODERATOR NOTE: Please include full name and address with your signature.


Re: Geni #austria-czech

newman@...
 

Hi,

Please do not misunderstand my mail.

I view my family's tree as part of others and that includes distant family
members tree's.

However, within Geni's site there exists a technical problem and that is not
a family problem. I very much enjoy finding and hearing of family in distant
lands and how we are related. However, Geni has to create within its format
a way to "offer to merge" family members profiles.

Example 1:

Adding a picture of my wife to her profile by a distant relation would have
been accepted and enjoyed, however, a that distant relative added a picture
of someone else in error and became the manager of my wife's profile. That
unfortunate error took over six weeks to get picture taken down. Not because
of a lack of any will. The problem is in Geni format for the adding of
information and merging.

Example 2:
In case of my grandmother misinformation was merged, including the date of
her death and the profile was taken over.

A request to add information should be sent through that person's profile
manager. If the information to be merged is disputed then the final
decision must rest with originator of the profile.

Next:

USD $4.95 p/month p/month is not a great deal of money. However, I imagine
that we all are subscribers to quite a number of business and private sites.
Those subscription end up costing a nice annual sum. When a site does not
provide what is offered I opt out. Here I have not opted in.

With all the problems I have encountered in a free Geni I certainly do not
intend to pay until they have a working site allowing me minimal controls
for the close family members that I have entered.

However, when they offer something for free, they should honor it and when
they have a known problem they should fix it. Then more people may join as
paying members.

Regards,


Bryan Newman, Jerusalem, Israel.


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech RE: Geni #austria-czech

newman@...
 

Hi,

Please do not misunderstand my mail.

I view my family's tree as part of others and that includes distant family
members tree's.

However, within Geni's site there exists a technical problem and that is not
a family problem. I very much enjoy finding and hearing of family in distant
lands and how we are related. However, Geni has to create within its format
a way to "offer to merge" family members profiles.

Example 1:

Adding a picture of my wife to her profile by a distant relation would have
been accepted and enjoyed, however, a that distant relative added a picture
of someone else in error and became the manager of my wife's profile. That
unfortunate error took over six weeks to get picture taken down. Not because
of a lack of any will. The problem is in Geni format for the adding of
information and merging.

Example 2:
In case of my grandmother misinformation was merged, including the date of
her death and the profile was taken over.

A request to add information should be sent through that person's profile
manager. If the information to be merged is disputed then the final
decision must rest with originator of the profile.

Next:

USD $4.95 p/month p/month is not a great deal of money. However, I imagine
that we all are subscribers to quite a number of business and private sites.
Those subscription end up costing a nice annual sum. When a site does not
provide what is offered I opt out. Here I have not opted in.

With all the problems I have encountered in a free Geni I certainly do not
intend to pay until they have a working site allowing me minimal controls
for the close family members that I have entered.

However, when they offer something for free, they should honor it and when
they have a known problem they should fix it. Then more people may join as
paying members.

Regards,


Bryan Newman, Jerusalem, Israel.


yrossler@...
 

The advantage of Geni is the ability to merge "trees" and spread into
direction, one has not thought or sought before.
In my opinion, this is also the major disadvantage. It gives the possibility
to unknown "hackers" to tamper with "my" tree.
I have been using for years the genealogy software called MyHeritage Family
Tree Builder, and am quite satisfied with it.
It protects the tree I am developing, by preventing merging, without my
consent.
But, at the same time I can open a family site on the internet, with all
the tree information. I can invite members to search the site,
and they inturn can endorse more members to join.
There is a function called "smart match" which searches other data bases and
find for me similarities. This is sort of virtual merging.

Dr. Yoram Rossler


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Geni #austria-czech

yrossler@...
 

The advantage of Geni is the ability to merge "trees" and spread into
direction, one has not thought or sought before.
In my opinion, this is also the major disadvantage. It gives the possibility
to unknown "hackers" to tamper with "my" tree.
I have been using for years the genealogy software called MyHeritage Family
Tree Builder, and am quite satisfied with it.
It protects the tree I am developing, by preventing merging, without my
consent.
But, at the same time I can open a family site on the internet, with all
the tree information. I can invite members to search the site,
and they inturn can endorse more members to join.
There is a function called "smart match" which searches other data bases and
find for me similarities. This is sort of virtual merging.

Dr. Yoram Rossler


Portuguese Embassy in Budapest, 1944 #hungary

sankosy5@...
 

Dear friends -

As always these wonderful H-SIGgers have helped me fill in some more blanks, and
thanks to some terrific folks, I was able to track down data about my ancestor
Ernest/Erno SEIDNER (1892 - 1958) who emigrated to and died in Australia. He had
no children. The grave photos, however, have triggered more questions for me.......

Years ago, a distant older relative - Ernest's niece - told me that while she and
her mother had survived the Holocaust by hiding, that her grandparents (Ernest's
parents) and family had taken refuge in the Portuguese Embassy. She told me that
the embassy had been stormed by the Arrow Cross and that this SEIDNER family was
sent to the camps where they were killed.

Well, the photo of Ernest's grave in Australia has a tribute to his parents and
brother who died in "Budapest in 1944".

Does anyone know anything specific about a raid on the Portuguese Embassy? I do
know that the Arrow Cross stormed neutral places, but is there any more information
about this embassy? I am wondering if this means that this family DIDN'T get to
the camps (I could never find their names on those databases), but was either
martyred on-site, or marched to the Danube to suffer the same fate as so many
other Jews. Or perhaps they DID get sent to the camps, but Ernest felt it was easier
to put "Budapest" on the stone.

Ernest himself died of chronic kidney/urinary issues, consistent with injury, and also
beri-beri which is connected to malnutrition. To me, this seems consistent with
possible concentration camp, ghetto, or beatings experience. Perhaps he himself
was not in the embassy.

I realize that ultimately this may seem trivial to some, when perhaps it should be
enough to know that the family was martyred, but I feel an obligation to know as
much as possible in order to honour their memory.

If anyone can direct me to a source where I could learn some more about the role of
the Portuguese embassy in Budapest at this time, I would be most grateful. Please
respond directly to me unless you think that the information would be of interest to the group.

With sincere thanks,

Michele Sankar
Richmond Hill, Ontario


Hungary SIG #Hungary Portuguese Embassy in Budapest, 1944 #hungary

sankosy5@...
 

Dear friends -

As always these wonderful H-SIGgers have helped me fill in some more blanks, and
thanks to some terrific folks, I was able to track down data about my ancestor
Ernest/Erno SEIDNER (1892 - 1958) who emigrated to and died in Australia. He had
no children. The grave photos, however, have triggered more questions for me.......

Years ago, a distant older relative - Ernest's niece - told me that while she and
her mother had survived the Holocaust by hiding, that her grandparents (Ernest's
parents) and family had taken refuge in the Portuguese Embassy. She told me that
the embassy had been stormed by the Arrow Cross and that this SEIDNER family was
sent to the camps where they were killed.

Well, the photo of Ernest's grave in Australia has a tribute to his parents and
brother who died in "Budapest in 1944".

Does anyone know anything specific about a raid on the Portuguese Embassy? I do
know that the Arrow Cross stormed neutral places, but is there any more information
about this embassy? I am wondering if this means that this family DIDN'T get to
the camps (I could never find their names on those databases), but was either
martyred on-site, or marched to the Danube to suffer the same fate as so many
other Jews. Or perhaps they DID get sent to the camps, but Ernest felt it was easier
to put "Budapest" on the stone.

Ernest himself died of chronic kidney/urinary issues, consistent with injury, and also
beri-beri which is connected to malnutrition. To me, this seems consistent with
possible concentration camp, ghetto, or beatings experience. Perhaps he himself
was not in the embassy.

I realize that ultimately this may seem trivial to some, when perhaps it should be
enough to know that the family was martyred, but I feel an obligation to know as
much as possible in order to honour their memory.

If anyone can direct me to a source where I could learn some more about the role of
the Portuguese embassy in Budapest at this time, I would be most grateful. Please
respond directly to me unless you think that the information would be of interest to the group.

With sincere thanks,

Michele Sankar
Richmond Hill, Ontario


Other Hungarian Census update #hungary

Eric M. Bloch
 

Great news! We're pleased to announce the addition of 6,800 records to
the Hungarian [Jewish] Census Records 1770-1850 database.
<http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Hungary/CensusOther.htm> . This
brings our total to 56,000 records!

The newly added data covers the following Hungarian counties and years:

Borsod 1771
Komarom 1771
Nograd 1774, 1775
Nyitra 1770, 1771
Pest-Pilis-Solt 1857 Family List for Waitzen (Vacz)
Pozsony post-1850 Family Lists >from Rabbinical Records
Saros 1771
Sopron 1771, 1772, 1774
Szatmar 1771
Vas 1771, 1774
Zemplen 1774

Other counties are currently being transcribed for the 1770-1775 period.

Unfortunately, the majority of names in the Jewish Censuses of 1770-1775
use patronymics in place of surnames. Thus, the information may be of
limited value unless you know the families you are tracing lived in a
certain town in the 18th century. One of the more interesting bits of
data in the records is whether the individual was born in the Kingdom of
Hungary, or not; and if not, how long they had resided in Hungary.

In a few cases, we have included the occupation, especially for rabbis,
cantors, and shochets. Occupation and other information about
individuals was included in the census but this was not transcribed
since it was in Latin and would have added considerable complication to
our transcription efforts. If you are successful in finding an
ancestor, we encourage you to obtain the microfilm and view the original
record yourself.

Thanks again to our transcription team for their wonderful work.

Happy hunting!

Eric M. Bloch, Coordinator
Other Hungarian Census project


Hungary SIG #Hungary Other Hungarian Census update #hungary

Eric M. Bloch
 

Great news! We're pleased to announce the addition of 6,800 records to
the Hungarian [Jewish] Census Records 1770-1850 database.
<http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Hungary/CensusOther.htm> . This
brings our total to 56,000 records!

The newly added data covers the following Hungarian counties and years:

Borsod 1771
Komarom 1771
Nograd 1774, 1775
Nyitra 1770, 1771
Pest-Pilis-Solt 1857 Family List for Waitzen (Vacz)
Pozsony post-1850 Family Lists >from Rabbinical Records
Saros 1771
Sopron 1771, 1772, 1774
Szatmar 1771
Vas 1771, 1774
Zemplen 1774

Other counties are currently being transcribed for the 1770-1775 period.

Unfortunately, the majority of names in the Jewish Censuses of 1770-1775
use patronymics in place of surnames. Thus, the information may be of
limited value unless you know the families you are tracing lived in a
certain town in the 18th century. One of the more interesting bits of
data in the records is whether the individual was born in the Kingdom of
Hungary, or not; and if not, how long they had resided in Hungary.

In a few cases, we have included the occupation, especially for rabbis,
cantors, and shochets. Occupation and other information about
individuals was included in the census but this was not transcribed
since it was in Latin and would have added considerable complication to
our transcription efforts. If you are successful in finding an
ancestor, we encourage you to obtain the microfilm and view the original
record yourself.

Thanks again to our transcription team for their wonderful work.

Happy hunting!

Eric M. Bloch, Coordinator
Other Hungarian Census project


Budapest 1880s Vital Records #hungary

GladPropp@...
 

Hello Can anyone tell me who to write to to find out the marriage and
death date for people born in Budapest, Hungary probably in the late 1800's
I have the birth dates for these people.

Gladys Propper
gladpropp@aol.com

Moderator: Check H-SIG message archives for discussions on this subject and information
about on-line resources.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Budapest 1880s Vital Records #hungary

GladPropp@...
 

Hello Can anyone tell me who to write to to find out the marriage and
death date for people born in Budapest, Hungary probably in the late 1800's
I have the birth dates for these people.

Gladys Propper
gladpropp@aol.com

Moderator: Check H-SIG message archives for discussions on this subject and information
about on-line resources.


Searching for Contact Info in Israel #hungary

ljkraus@...
 

To those who are looking for persons in Israel, the English version for
finding phone numbers and addresses is
http://english.b144.co.il/Default.aspx
Good hunting and Happy Pessach
Leah Kraus
Haifa, Israel


1. question re. Andor Friem
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: question re. Andor Friem
From: evdarvas@umich.edu
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:35:36 -0500
X-Message-Number: 1

hello!
does anyone know Andor Friem, whose last known address
was Petach-Tikva, <snip>, in Israel?
thanks much for any help.
Eva Darvas

Moderator: Please respond off-list if you can help.
Per JewishGen policies, street address is not shown.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Searching for Contact Info in Israel #hungary

ljkraus@...
 

To those who are looking for persons in Israel, the English version for
finding phone numbers and addresses is
http://english.b144.co.il/Default.aspx
Good hunting and Happy Pessach
Leah Kraus
Haifa, Israel


1. question re. Andor Friem
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Subject: question re. Andor Friem
From: evdarvas@umich.edu
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:35:36 -0500
X-Message-Number: 1

hello!
does anyone know Andor Friem, whose last known address
was Petach-Tikva, <snip>, in Israel?
thanks much for any help.
Eva Darvas

Moderator: Please respond off-list if you can help.
Per JewishGen policies, street address is not shown.


Seeking Information on:Chevra Tillem Kesher Yisrael, Montefiore Cemetery #belarus

AllanDolgow@...
 

from interment cards of my great grandparents it states the Plot owner
is Chevra Tillem Kesher Yisrael, at the Montefiore Cemetery, 12183
Springfield Boulevard, Queens, New York.

This I believe was the name of the burial society at this synagogue that
no longer exists.

Does anyone have additional information?

Please send it to me directly.

Allan Dolgow
West Sacramento, CA
MODERATOR NOTE: JewishGen maintains an extensive database of burial records
at: http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/


Belarus SIG #Belarus Seeking Information on:Chevra Tillem Kesher Yisrael, Montefiore Cemetery #belarus

AllanDolgow@...
 

from interment cards of my great grandparents it states the Plot owner
is Chevra Tillem Kesher Yisrael, at the Montefiore Cemetery, 12183
Springfield Boulevard, Queens, New York.

This I believe was the name of the burial society at this synagogue that
no longer exists.

Does anyone have additional information?

Please send it to me directly.

Allan Dolgow
West Sacramento, CA
MODERATOR NOTE: JewishGen maintains an extensive database of burial records
at: http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Cemetery/


Searching: KAHANA-SHAPIRO, from Stolbsty to Lubny,Ukraine #belarus

Gayle Schlissel Riley
 

I know SHAPIRO is one the most common Jewish last names But maybe there is a
Shapiro out there who started out in Stolbsty, Belarus or Timikovichi, Belarus
and then went to Lubny, Ukraine. I am told we are KAHANA-SHAPIRO.
Benjamin Isaac wife Rifka Moskovitz had the following children Morris, Ahron,
Jacob, Nathan, Yitchuk and Yomtov Gutman..Does any of this ring a bell?

Gayle Schlissel Riley

San Gabriel, CA
Respond privately


Belarus SIG #Belarus Searching: KAHANA-SHAPIRO, from Stolbsty to Lubny,Ukraine #belarus

Gayle Schlissel Riley
 

I know SHAPIRO is one the most common Jewish last names But maybe there is a
Shapiro out there who started out in Stolbsty, Belarus or Timikovichi, Belarus
and then went to Lubny, Ukraine. I am told we are KAHANA-SHAPIRO.
Benjamin Isaac wife Rifka Moskovitz had the following children Morris, Ahron,
Jacob, Nathan, Yitchuk and Yomtov Gutman..Does any of this ring a bell?

Gayle Schlissel Riley

San Gabriel, CA
Respond privately


Other Hungarian Census update #general

Eric M. Bloch
 

Great news! We're pleased to announce the addition of 6,800 records
to the Hungarian [Jewish] Census Records 1770-1850 database.
< http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Hungary/CensusOther.htm >.
This brings our total to 56,000 records!

The newly added data covers the following Hungarian counties and years:

Borsod 1771
Komarom 1771
Nograd 1774, 1775
Nyitra 1770, 1771
Pest-Pilis-Solt 1857 Family List for Waitzen (Vacz)
Pozsony post-1850 Family Lists >from Rabbinical Records
Saros 1771
Sopron 1771, 1772, 1774
Szatmar 1771
Vas 1771, 1774
Zemplen 1774

Other counties are currently being transcribed for the 1770-1775 period.

Unfortunately, the majority of names in the Jewish Censuses of 1770-1775
use patronymics in place of surnames. Thus, the information may be of
limited value unless you know the families you are tracing lived in a
certain town in the 18th century. One of the more interesting bits of
data in the records is whether the individual was born in the Kingdom of
Hungary, or not; and if not, how long they had resided in Hungary.

In a few cases, we have included the occupation, especially for rabbis,
cantors, and shochets. Occupation and other information about
individuals was included in the census but this was not transcribed
since it was in Latin and would have added considerable complication to
our transcription efforts. If you are successful in finding an
ancestor, we encourage you to obtain the microfilm and view the original
record yourself.

Thanks again to our transcription team for their wonderful work.

Happy hunting!

Eric M. Bloch, Coordinator
Other Hungarian Census project


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Other Hungarian Census update #general

Eric M. Bloch
 

Great news! We're pleased to announce the addition of 6,800 records
to the Hungarian [Jewish] Census Records 1770-1850 database.
< http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Hungary/CensusOther.htm >.
This brings our total to 56,000 records!

The newly added data covers the following Hungarian counties and years:

Borsod 1771
Komarom 1771
Nograd 1774, 1775
Nyitra 1770, 1771
Pest-Pilis-Solt 1857 Family List for Waitzen (Vacz)
Pozsony post-1850 Family Lists >from Rabbinical Records
Saros 1771
Sopron 1771, 1772, 1774
Szatmar 1771
Vas 1771, 1774
Zemplen 1774

Other counties are currently being transcribed for the 1770-1775 period.

Unfortunately, the majority of names in the Jewish Censuses of 1770-1775
use patronymics in place of surnames. Thus, the information may be of
limited value unless you know the families you are tracing lived in a
certain town in the 18th century. One of the more interesting bits of
data in the records is whether the individual was born in the Kingdom of
Hungary, or not; and if not, how long they had resided in Hungary.

In a few cases, we have included the occupation, especially for rabbis,
cantors, and shochets. Occupation and other information about
individuals was included in the census but this was not transcribed
since it was in Latin and would have added considerable complication to
our transcription efforts. If you are successful in finding an
ancestor, we encourage you to obtain the microfilm and view the original
record yourself.

Thanks again to our transcription team for their wonderful work.

Happy hunting!

Eric M. Bloch, Coordinator
Other Hungarian Census project