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name help #general

Jim Gutterman
 

I've fairly well established that my mggf was Abraham GUTTERMAN. On
his son's (my mgf) headstone it reads Jacob, son of Abraham Moses, and
on his death certificate my mgm, who was the informant, and also came
over >from Russia put down as his father Abraham M. Gutterman. When
Jacob and Abraham came over >from russia 1904 and 1899 respectively,
last name was Gitelman. However, on the ship manifest >from 1899 it
shows his name as Abr. Leit Gitelma(h)n. They all came >from Vilna area
of what is now the Ukraine.Could anyone tell me the significance of
the middle name Leit viz Moses in this instance? thanks.
Jim Gutterman
(Gutterman,Goodman,Geller,Land(e)sman,Hershkowitz)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen name help #general

Jim Gutterman
 

I've fairly well established that my mggf was Abraham GUTTERMAN. On
his son's (my mgf) headstone it reads Jacob, son of Abraham Moses, and
on his death certificate my mgm, who was the informant, and also came
over >from Russia put down as his father Abraham M. Gutterman. When
Jacob and Abraham came over >from russia 1904 and 1899 respectively,
last name was Gitelman. However, on the ship manifest >from 1899 it
shows his name as Abr. Leit Gitelma(h)n. They all came >from Vilna area
of what is now the Ukraine.Could anyone tell me the significance of
the middle name Leit viz Moses in this instance? thanks.
Jim Gutterman
(Gutterman,Goodman,Geller,Land(e)sman,Hershkowitz)


Milwaukee Wisconsin vital records and the flood #germany

Fran Luebke <franluebke@...>
 

MODERATOR NOTE: In consideration of the third of our subscribers who don't
live in the USA, please spell out the names of American states (Wisconsin) the
first time you write them in your email to this list.

NY is an exception but CA can easily be confused with Canada. Please use Cal. or
Calif. Thanks, MODERATOR 1 =========>

To members who have ancestors in Milwaukee Co., WI, the record breaking
flood that occurred on Thursday evening (7" in an hour+), flooded the
Milwaukee Co. Historical Society building. Because of construction that
was taking place, 50 boxes of historic records had been temporarily
stored on the basement floor. Civil and divorce records dating to the
19th century were damaged. Some were typed and others were handwritten.
Volunteers and staff are attempting to save them.

Luckily thousands of boxes >from 1836 to the 1930s remained dry inside a
giant vault. Further information is at the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel site:
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/99107124.html

Fran Luebke Brookfield, WI USA franluebke@wi.rr.com


German SIG #Germany Milwaukee Wisconsin vital records and the flood #germany

Fran Luebke <franluebke@...>
 

MODERATOR NOTE: In consideration of the third of our subscribers who don't
live in the USA, please spell out the names of American states (Wisconsin) the
first time you write them in your email to this list.

NY is an exception but CA can easily be confused with Canada. Please use Cal. or
Calif. Thanks, MODERATOR 1 =========>

To members who have ancestors in Milwaukee Co., WI, the record breaking
flood that occurred on Thursday evening (7" in an hour+), flooded the
Milwaukee Co. Historical Society building. Because of construction that
was taking place, 50 boxes of historic records had been temporarily
stored on the basement floor. Civil and divorce records dating to the
19th century were damaged. Some were typed and others were handwritten.
Volunteers and staff are attempting to save them.

Luckily thousands of boxes >from 1836 to the 1930s remained dry inside a
giant vault. Further information is at the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel site:
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/99107124.html

Fran Luebke Brookfield, WI USA franluebke@wi.rr.com


Researcher in Frautstadt, E. Prussia (now Poland) #germany

Hanna Grossman <hannakg@...>
 

I'm looking for someone who can explore 19th C records for
this area: Frautstadt, E. Prussia (now Poland)

Any suggestions welcome. Please respond privately.

Hanna Grossman, Cornwall, CT hannakg@optonline.net


German SIG #Germany Researcher in Frautstadt, E. Prussia (now Poland) #germany

Hanna Grossman <hannakg@...>
 

I'm looking for someone who can explore 19th C records for
this area: Frautstadt, E. Prussia (now Poland)

Any suggestions welcome. Please respond privately.

Hanna Grossman, Cornwall, CT hannakg@optonline.net


Deaths of Prof. Drs. Paul Sauer and Utz Jeggle #germany

Emily Rose <emily@...>
 

Joachim Hahn (www.alemannia-judaica.de) has announced the recent deaths of
Prof. Dr. Paul Sauer and two years earlier, Prof. Dr. Utz Jeggle. Both of
these men wrote seminal books on Jewish German rural history, which many of
us used for our family research projects.

Dr. Sauer's books were among many others: Die juedischen Gemeinden in
Wuerttemberg und Hohenzollern, Juedisches Leben im Wandel der Zeit: 170
Jahre Israelitische Religionsgemeinschaft, and 50 Jahre neue Synagoge in
Stuttgart. Dr. Jeggle wrote Judendoerfer in Wuerttemberg in 1969. It was the
first post-war book on German Jewish rural history.

On a personal note, both professors were most generous with their time and
knowledge over the course of my research for my book.

Emily Rose, Naples FL emily@emrosebooks.com


German SIG #Germany Deaths of Prof. Drs. Paul Sauer and Utz Jeggle #germany

Emily Rose <emily@...>
 

Joachim Hahn (www.alemannia-judaica.de) has announced the recent deaths of
Prof. Dr. Paul Sauer and two years earlier, Prof. Dr. Utz Jeggle. Both of
these men wrote seminal books on Jewish German rural history, which many of
us used for our family research projects.

Dr. Sauer's books were among many others: Die juedischen Gemeinden in
Wuerttemberg und Hohenzollern, Juedisches Leben im Wandel der Zeit: 170
Jahre Israelitische Religionsgemeinschaft, and 50 Jahre neue Synagoge in
Stuttgart. Dr. Jeggle wrote Judendoerfer in Wuerttemberg in 1969. It was the
first post-war book on German Jewish rural history.

On a personal note, both professors were most generous with their time and
knowledge over the course of my research for my book.

Emily Rose, Naples FL emily@emrosebooks.com


Transcription mistake or intentional wrong registration? #hungary

omri@...
 

Dear Group,

I hope you can help me to solve an unusual mystery I encountered.

I have been researching my REINITZ family for years now and think I have a
good knowledge of it.
In the Hungarian marriage databases I found the following registration of a
GGUncle of mine:
-------------------------------------------
Groom: REINITZ, Lajos / Jakab
Parents: Bela / Cecilia (MACHULUP)
Age: 34
Born: in Nagy-Kanizsa

Bride: KAUFMANN, Rudolfina
Parents: Moric / Johanna (RIESZ)
Age: 22
Born: Vag-Ujhely

Marriage date: 25-Mar-1883
in: Pest (Budapest, Local Gov't - Pest-Pilis-Solt-Kis-Kun)

Source: LDS 642975, Vol. 34
Record: 30-04
-----------------------------------------
As far as I know >from various sources REINITZ Lajos's parents were REINITZ
Ignatz (My GGGF) and BETTELHEIM Kunigunda, and the people registered above
as his parents were Bela (he had a brother by that name) and his Aunt, by
marriage to REINITZ Albert (Ignatz's brother), MACHULUP Cecilia (the
"original" MACHULUP Cecilia was already dead 30 years when this marriage
took place.). By the way Lajos did marry KAUFMANN, Rudolfina.
Seems like a mess, doesn't it? But if this is the way it was registered and
not a transcription mistake, I wonder why.

Appreciate your helping me solve this riddle.

Thanks,

Omri Arnon
Israel


Hungary SIG #Hungary Transcription mistake or intentional wrong registration? #hungary

omri@...
 

Dear Group,

I hope you can help me to solve an unusual mystery I encountered.

I have been researching my REINITZ family for years now and think I have a
good knowledge of it.
In the Hungarian marriage databases I found the following registration of a
GGUncle of mine:
-------------------------------------------
Groom: REINITZ, Lajos / Jakab
Parents: Bela / Cecilia (MACHULUP)
Age: 34
Born: in Nagy-Kanizsa

Bride: KAUFMANN, Rudolfina
Parents: Moric / Johanna (RIESZ)
Age: 22
Born: Vag-Ujhely

Marriage date: 25-Mar-1883
in: Pest (Budapest, Local Gov't - Pest-Pilis-Solt-Kis-Kun)

Source: LDS 642975, Vol. 34
Record: 30-04
-----------------------------------------
As far as I know >from various sources REINITZ Lajos's parents were REINITZ
Ignatz (My GGGF) and BETTELHEIM Kunigunda, and the people registered above
as his parents were Bela (he had a brother by that name) and his Aunt, by
marriage to REINITZ Albert (Ignatz's brother), MACHULUP Cecilia (the
"original" MACHULUP Cecilia was already dead 30 years when this marriage
took place.). By the way Lajos did marry KAUFMANN, Rudolfina.
Seems like a mess, doesn't it? But if this is the way it was registered and
not a transcription mistake, I wonder why.

Appreciate your helping me solve this riddle.

Thanks,

Omri Arnon
Israel


Hungarian Name Changes--URL Correction #hungary

viviankahn@...
 

There was a typo in the URL. The correct URL is http://www.radixindex.com/databases/pv003001.shtml
Or, instead of using the RadixIndex link, go directly to the book on the =
KlimoTheca website at =
http://kt.lib.pte.hu/cgi-bin/kt.cgi?konyvtar/kt04112203/index.html

Vivian

Someone at the conference inquired about the book that listed changed =
surnames. I can't recall who requested the information but since it may =
be of general interest, here's the information.

The Hungarian title of this work, which was published in Budapest in =
1895, is: Sz=C3=A1zadunk n=C3=A9vv=C3=A1ltoztat=C3=A1sai : =
Helytart=C3=B3s=C3=A1gi =C3=A9s miniszteri enged=C3=A9lylyel =
megv=C3=A1ltoztatott nevek gy=C5=B1jtem=C3=A9nye 1800-1893. The rough =
translation is "Surname changes of our century"

The book is among those scanned by Pecs University and can be browsed at =
their marvelous KlimoTheca website. For a more detailed description and =
a link to the KlimoTheca digital library, go to the RadixIndex at =
http://www.radixindex.com/databaases/pv003001.shtml Click on =
Tartalomjegyz=C3=A9k and the starting letter of the surname.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA
http://web.mac.com/lmort/Vivian_Kahn_Family_Website/Home_.html

Researching:
ADLER/Sighet, Giulesti, Rom. (Maramarossziget, Gyulafalva, Hun.)
BAL/BERKOVICS/BERKOWITZ/ROTH/Orasu Nou, Rom. (Ujvaros,=20
Hung.); Seini, Rom. (Szinervaralja, Hun), Vamfalu, Hung. (Vama, Rom.)
FERBER/Sajoszentpeter, Hun, Nahariya, Israel; FRIEDMAN/Sighet, Oradea, =
Satu Mare, Rom.
GROSZ/Orasu Nou, Rom., Szatmar megye, Hung.; GRUNVALD/Humenne, Slov.
KAHAN/ZEGAL Sighet, Rom.(Maramarossziget, Hun)
KOHN/Zebegnyo, Tarnoka, Zemplen, Hun. ,(Zbehnov, Trnvka, Slov.), =
Cleveland
KORNIS/Miskolc, Hung.; LEFKOVICS/Zemplen megye, Hung.
MARKUS/Sepsiszentgyorgy, Hung. (Sfante Gheorghu, Rom)
MOSKOVITS/MOSKOWITZ/MOSS, Ostrov (Kisozstro), Sobrance, Michalovce, =
Kosice, Slov; Nyiregyhaza, Hung; Cleveland
NEUMANN/Sobrance, Michalovce, Kereszt (Kristy, Slov.); =
POLACSEK/Sobrance, Ung megye, Hung.
ROSENBLUM/Oradea, Satu Mare, Rom. ROSENBERG/Ungvar (Uzhorod, Ukr.); =
SIMKO/Kosice
VERO, WEISBERGER/Debrecen, Nyirbator; ZICHERMAN/Sobrance


Re: Jews in Hungary after WWII #hungary

sankosy5@...
 

Dear Friends -

Many thanks for all the feedback regarding the "Jewish experience" in the late 1940's
. Thanks to your suggestions, I have since learned that my SEIDNER relative was in
a DP camp in Graz, Austria, with his wife in 1949 before heading to Australia. Your
personal stories are also appreciated, as they help me understand the environment.

Michele Sankar
Ontario, Canada


Hungary SIG #Hungary Hungarian Name Changes--URL Correction #hungary

viviankahn@...
 

There was a typo in the URL. The correct URL is http://www.radixindex.com/databases/pv003001.shtml
Or, instead of using the RadixIndex link, go directly to the book on the =
KlimoTheca website at =
http://kt.lib.pte.hu/cgi-bin/kt.cgi?konyvtar/kt04112203/index.html

Vivian

Someone at the conference inquired about the book that listed changed =
surnames. I can't recall who requested the information but since it may =
be of general interest, here's the information.

The Hungarian title of this work, which was published in Budapest in =
1895, is: Sz=C3=A1zadunk n=C3=A9vv=C3=A1ltoztat=C3=A1sai : =
Helytart=C3=B3s=C3=A1gi =C3=A9s miniszteri enged=C3=A9lylyel =
megv=C3=A1ltoztatott nevek gy=C5=B1jtem=C3=A9nye 1800-1893. The rough =
translation is "Surname changes of our century"

The book is among those scanned by Pecs University and can be browsed at =
their marvelous KlimoTheca website. For a more detailed description and =
a link to the KlimoTheca digital library, go to the RadixIndex at =
http://www.radixindex.com/databaases/pv003001.shtml Click on =
Tartalomjegyz=C3=A9k and the starting letter of the surname.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA
http://web.mac.com/lmort/Vivian_Kahn_Family_Website/Home_.html

Researching:
ADLER/Sighet, Giulesti, Rom. (Maramarossziget, Gyulafalva, Hun.)
BAL/BERKOVICS/BERKOWITZ/ROTH/Orasu Nou, Rom. (Ujvaros,=20
Hung.); Seini, Rom. (Szinervaralja, Hun), Vamfalu, Hung. (Vama, Rom.)
FERBER/Sajoszentpeter, Hun, Nahariya, Israel; FRIEDMAN/Sighet, Oradea, =
Satu Mare, Rom.
GROSZ/Orasu Nou, Rom., Szatmar megye, Hung.; GRUNVALD/Humenne, Slov.
KAHAN/ZEGAL Sighet, Rom.(Maramarossziget, Hun)
KOHN/Zebegnyo, Tarnoka, Zemplen, Hun. ,(Zbehnov, Trnvka, Slov.), =
Cleveland
KORNIS/Miskolc, Hung.; LEFKOVICS/Zemplen megye, Hung.
MARKUS/Sepsiszentgyorgy, Hung. (Sfante Gheorghu, Rom)
MOSKOVITS/MOSKOWITZ/MOSS, Ostrov (Kisozstro), Sobrance, Michalovce, =
Kosice, Slov; Nyiregyhaza, Hung; Cleveland
NEUMANN/Sobrance, Michalovce, Kereszt (Kristy, Slov.); =
POLACSEK/Sobrance, Ung megye, Hung.
ROSENBLUM/Oradea, Satu Mare, Rom. ROSENBERG/Ungvar (Uzhorod, Ukr.); =
SIMKO/Kosice
VERO, WEISBERGER/Debrecen, Nyirbator; ZICHERMAN/Sobrance


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Jews in Hungary after WWII #hungary

sankosy5@...
 

Dear Friends -

Many thanks for all the feedback regarding the "Jewish experience" in the late 1940's
. Thanks to your suggestions, I have since learned that my SEIDNER relative was in
a DP camp in Graz, Austria, with his wife in 1949 before heading to Australia. Your
personal stories are also appreciated, as they help me understand the environment.

Michele Sankar
Ontario, Canada


APOTHEKER From Budapest FISCHER From Mannheim ,Germany #hungary

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

Dear Siggers and Genners,
My late father in law David APOTHEKER(1908-1995) who was the youngest son w=
as born in Bardejov,Slovakia had several siblings. He filled in the early 1=
970s PoTs at Yad Vashem with a help of friend who knew little more Hebrew t=
han he.
We knew that he had a brother who lived before the war in Budapest=A0 but n=
one of the PoTs for his several brothers mentions Budapest.
Recently Yad Vashem added more names >from other sources(German& Hungarian v=
ictims lists) and we realize now that the dates of birth he gave were not a=
ccurate(deviations of 5 to 8 years in each direction). But we found out tha=
t his brother Leo/Leibish APOTHEKER was born actually in 1899(and not in 19=
07) and he is the one who lived in Budapest. His name was actually Juda Lei=
b APOTHEKER and in Hungary he was called Lipot APOTHEKER.He was shot on 17/=
11/1944.
I checked www.neveklarsfeld.org for APOTHEKER and found that his spouse
Carta nee FISCHER(b. 1895 in Mannheim) survived the war and in 1946 lived a=
t 6,Csengery in Budapest.
I am being told that in Hungary they used to mention the mother's surname,n=
ot the father's so we do not know what was Carta's father surname.
Needless to say that we are surprised and excited but need more leads.Maybe=
some of their children survived as well(if they ever had children).
I would ask the readers to check this at NEVEK website since I am not acqua=
inted with it.
If any of the above rings a bell or if any one has an idea how to follow it=
in Mannheim, Germany please let me know.
Thanks.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem


Hungary SIG #Hungary APOTHEKER From Budapest FISCHER From Mannheim ,Germany #hungary

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

Dear Siggers and Genners,
My late father in law David APOTHEKER(1908-1995) who was the youngest son w=
as born in Bardejov,Slovakia had several siblings. He filled in the early 1=
970s PoTs at Yad Vashem with a help of friend who knew little more Hebrew t=
han he.
We knew that he had a brother who lived before the war in Budapest=A0 but n=
one of the PoTs for his several brothers mentions Budapest.
Recently Yad Vashem added more names >from other sources(German& Hungarian v=
ictims lists) and we realize now that the dates of birth he gave were not a=
ccurate(deviations of 5 to 8 years in each direction). But we found out tha=
t his brother Leo/Leibish APOTHEKER was born actually in 1899(and not in 19=
07) and he is the one who lived in Budapest. His name was actually Juda Lei=
b APOTHEKER and in Hungary he was called Lipot APOTHEKER.He was shot on 17/=
11/1944.
I checked www.neveklarsfeld.org for APOTHEKER and found that his spouse
Carta nee FISCHER(b. 1895 in Mannheim) survived the war and in 1946 lived a=
t 6,Csengery in Budapest.
I am being told that in Hungary they used to mention the mother's surname,n=
ot the father's so we do not know what was Carta's father surname.
Needless to say that we are surprised and excited but need more leads.Maybe=
some of their children survived as well(if they ever had children).
I would ask the readers to check this at NEVEK website since I am not acqua=
inted with it.
If any of the above rings a bell or if any one has an idea how to follow it=
in Mannheim, Germany please let me know.
Thanks.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem


FW: IAJGS Awards #hungary

webmaster@...
 

On behalf Michael Goldstein President of IAJGS

The IAJGS Annual Achievement Awards and the Rabbi Malcolm Stern Grant were
presented last week at the banquet during the 31st IAJGS International
Conference on Jewish Genealogy hosted by the in Los Angeles JGS. The
recipients are as follows:

1. IAJGS Lifetime Achievement Award given to Hal Bookbinder for his many
contributions to the world of Jewish genealogy.

2. Outstanding Contribution to Jewish Genealogy via the Internet, Print or
Electronic Product awarded to Judith Frazin for her book "A Translation
Guide to 19th Century Polish-Language Civil Registration Documents, 3rd
Edition."

3. Outstanding Programming or Project that Advances the Objectives of
Jewish Genealogy was awarded to the JGS of Greater Philadelphia for their
Philadelphia Area Jewish Genealogy Resource Guide.

4. Outstanding Publication by a Member Organization of IAJGS was awarded
for the second time to the JGS Los Angeles for their publication Roots-Key.

The winner of The Rabbi Malcolm Stern Grant was decided at the annual
meeting and announced at the banquet. The grant in the amount of $2,500 was
awarded to the Israel Genealogical Society for their database transcription
and scanning project. They hope to complete the project in time for the
35th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy to be held in
Jerusalem in 2014.

Mazal Tov to all the winners.

Michael Goldstein
president@iajgs.org
www.iajgs.org


Hungary SIG #Hungary FW: IAJGS Awards #hungary

webmaster@...
 

On behalf Michael Goldstein President of IAJGS

The IAJGS Annual Achievement Awards and the Rabbi Malcolm Stern Grant were
presented last week at the banquet during the 31st IAJGS International
Conference on Jewish Genealogy hosted by the in Los Angeles JGS. The
recipients are as follows:

1. IAJGS Lifetime Achievement Award given to Hal Bookbinder for his many
contributions to the world of Jewish genealogy.

2. Outstanding Contribution to Jewish Genealogy via the Internet, Print or
Electronic Product awarded to Judith Frazin for her book "A Translation
Guide to 19th Century Polish-Language Civil Registration Documents, 3rd
Edition."

3. Outstanding Programming or Project that Advances the Objectives of
Jewish Genealogy was awarded to the JGS of Greater Philadelphia for their
Philadelphia Area Jewish Genealogy Resource Guide.

4. Outstanding Publication by a Member Organization of IAJGS was awarded
for the second time to the JGS Los Angeles for their publication Roots-Key.

The winner of The Rabbi Malcolm Stern Grant was decided at the annual
meeting and announced at the banquet. The grant in the amount of $2,500 was
awarded to the Israel Genealogical Society for their database transcription
and scanning project. They hope to complete the project in time for the
35th IAJGS International Conference on Jewish Genealogy to be held in
Jerusalem in 2014.

Mazal Tov to all the winners.

Michael Goldstein
president@iajgs.org
www.iajgs.org


Mazal Tov Los Angeles #hungary

webmaster@...
 

On behalf Michael Goldstein President of IAJGS
Mazal Tov to the Leadership, Committee Members, and Volunteers of the Los
Angeles Jewish Genealogical Society for completing a very successful IAJGS
International Conference on Jewish Genealogy. We hope and trust it will
inspire the many first time and west coast participants to travel across the
continent and join us in Washington DC next summer

Michael Goldstein
president@iajgs.org
President IAJGS
www.iajgs.org


Hungary SIG #Hungary Mazal Tov Los Angeles #hungary

webmaster@...
 

On behalf Michael Goldstein President of IAJGS
Mazal Tov to the Leadership, Committee Members, and Volunteers of the Los
Angeles Jewish Genealogical Society for completing a very successful IAJGS
International Conference on Jewish Genealogy. We hope and trust it will
inspire the many first time and west coast participants to travel across the
continent and join us in Washington DC next summer

Michael Goldstein
president@iajgs.org
President IAJGS
www.iajgs.org