Date   
S.A. Telephone Book on line #southafrica

Beryl. B <balden@...>
 

Many enquiries have been coming through to me
for addresses in South Africa.

Further than what is on our official SA SIG Resource List, please
note that the underneath website, which is the official
South African on-line telephone directory, may have addresses
for which members are looking.

http://196.15.219.249/

Beryl Baleson
balden@...
Israel

South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica S.A. Telephone Book on line #southafrica

Beryl. B <balden@...>
 

Many enquiries have been coming through to me
for addresses in South Africa.

Further than what is on our official SA SIG Resource List, please
note that the underneath website, which is the official
South African on-line telephone directory, may have addresses
for which members are looking.

http://196.15.219.249/

Beryl Baleson
balden@...
Israel

Seeking passenger list for SS Mercy:June 19,1949 #general

BABYCAT3@...
 

I just received a petition for naturalization copy for a relative of mine.
It shows he arrived on the SS Mercy, in New York City, on June 19, 1949.
If it is possible, how can I view the passenger list/manifest to
find out more about him and with whom he came to live with in New York?
Morse availability does not seem to cover this time frame.

Thank you and please respond privately,
Barbara Meyers
babycat3@...
NJ, USA

MODERATOR NOTE: The replies may be of general interest and may be
shared with the group.

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking passenger list for SS Mercy:June 19,1949 #general

BABYCAT3@...
 

I just received a petition for naturalization copy for a relative of mine.
It shows he arrived on the SS Mercy, in New York City, on June 19, 1949.
If it is possible, how can I view the passenger list/manifest to
find out more about him and with whom he came to live with in New York?
Morse availability does not seem to cover this time frame.

Thank you and please respond privately,
Barbara Meyers
babycat3@...
NJ, USA

MODERATOR NOTE: The replies may be of general interest and may be
shared with the group.

Re: Village of Zinkivitz (possibly in Podolsk)- Help required #general

Alexander Sharon
 

"David Cooper" wrote

Help required please to locate the village called Zinkitvitz.

My family name is believed to have been COOPERBERG.

The UK identification record document (1918) for my great grandfather
Dovid Cooperberg shows that his passport was issued in Kamanitz and
his birth place was Zinkivitz.

His son, my grandfather, Julius Louis (Abe) Cooperberg's naturalisation
papers show him to be >from Zinkevitz Podolsk Russia.

I can't find any reference to either Zinkivitz or to Zinkevitz and
I don't know whether Podolsk was Georgia or Russia near Moscow?
I'm very glad that this particular town name came up.
I've been working on this shtetl mystery some time ago, but somehow since
there was no inquiry in the recent time about the shtetl to JGFF, I've
forgotten all about it, but I still have the notes.

1. WOWW identifies this town as Zinkovtsy (Zinkowitz) at 4841 2636.
What is curious about those coordinates is that this locates place
right in the middle of Kamyanets Podilskyy (or Kamienec Podolski),
the mighty Jewish historical town in Podolia, Ukraine.

Zinkowce (also known as Zienkowce), used to be a small town located
just next to Kamieniec Podolski (separated by the river), when Jews
were not allowed to reside in Kamieniec during 17th and 18th centuries.
When the restrictions against the Jewish residency in Kamieniec had
been lifted, Jews left Zinkowce, which has lost its economical
vitality and eventually was incorporated within the Kamieniec
town boundary.

2. Zinkowiec is an alternate name for Zinkov, located at 4905 2704,
about 37 miles NE >from Kamyanets Podilskyy. Zinkov is located in
the cluster of historical Jewish towns of Podolia, such as Dunayivtsi
(ex Dunajewcy), Khmelnytskyy (ex Proskurow), Ushitsa (old and new),
Yarmolintsy, Medzhibozh and others -- more than 50 thousand Jews
used to reside in this region. What an ironic travesty of history,
to assign the Khmelnitsky name, the murderer of our people during
the mid-17 century Catastrophe to the main city of this region.

To summarize:
- Zinkowiec and Zinkowitz are the alternate names for town
Zinkov in Podolia.
- Zinkowce is an alternate name for Zinkovtsy, the inner suburb
of Kamyanets Podilskiyy.

Names of those places are similar indeed, and this is the reason
for the confusion.

Best,
Alexander Sharon
JGFF editor

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Village of Zinkivitz (possibly in Podolsk)- Help required #general

Alexander Sharon
 

"David Cooper" wrote

Help required please to locate the village called Zinkitvitz.

My family name is believed to have been COOPERBERG.

The UK identification record document (1918) for my great grandfather
Dovid Cooperberg shows that his passport was issued in Kamanitz and
his birth place was Zinkivitz.

His son, my grandfather, Julius Louis (Abe) Cooperberg's naturalisation
papers show him to be >from Zinkevitz Podolsk Russia.

I can't find any reference to either Zinkivitz or to Zinkevitz and
I don't know whether Podolsk was Georgia or Russia near Moscow?
I'm very glad that this particular town name came up.
I've been working on this shtetl mystery some time ago, but somehow since
there was no inquiry in the recent time about the shtetl to JGFF, I've
forgotten all about it, but I still have the notes.

1. WOWW identifies this town as Zinkovtsy (Zinkowitz) at 4841 2636.
What is curious about those coordinates is that this locates place
right in the middle of Kamyanets Podilskyy (or Kamienec Podolski),
the mighty Jewish historical town in Podolia, Ukraine.

Zinkowce (also known as Zienkowce), used to be a small town located
just next to Kamieniec Podolski (separated by the river), when Jews
were not allowed to reside in Kamieniec during 17th and 18th centuries.
When the restrictions against the Jewish residency in Kamieniec had
been lifted, Jews left Zinkowce, which has lost its economical
vitality and eventually was incorporated within the Kamieniec
town boundary.

2. Zinkowiec is an alternate name for Zinkov, located at 4905 2704,
about 37 miles NE >from Kamyanets Podilskyy. Zinkov is located in
the cluster of historical Jewish towns of Podolia, such as Dunayivtsi
(ex Dunajewcy), Khmelnytskyy (ex Proskurow), Ushitsa (old and new),
Yarmolintsy, Medzhibozh and others -- more than 50 thousand Jews
used to reside in this region. What an ironic travesty of history,
to assign the Khmelnitsky name, the murderer of our people during
the mid-17 century Catastrophe to the main city of this region.

To summarize:
- Zinkowiec and Zinkowitz are the alternate names for town
Zinkov in Podolia.
- Zinkowce is an alternate name for Zinkovtsy, the inner suburb
of Kamyanets Podilskiyy.

Names of those places are similar indeed, and this is the reason
for the confusion.

Best,
Alexander Sharon
JGFF editor

Re: Is there a Jewish Cemetery in Rotorua, New Zealand? #general

Eric <ehalpern1@...>
 

There is a significant Jewish Community in Auckland. And, a Jewish Cemetary
in the downtown area.

-Eric, wayne, PA


"Ada Green" < adagreen@... > wrote:

Can someone in New Zealand or other knowledgeable Genner give me the name,
address and contact person for the Jewish Cemetery in Rotorua, New Zealand?
< snip >

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Is there a Jewish Cemetery in Rotorua, New Zealand? #general

Eric <ehalpern1@...>
 

There is a significant Jewish Community in Auckland. And, a Jewish Cemetary
in the downtown area.

-Eric, wayne, PA


"Ada Green" < adagreen@... > wrote:

Can someone in New Zealand or other knowledgeable Genner give me the name,
address and contact person for the Jewish Cemetery in Rotorua, New Zealand?
< snip >

Galitzianers, are you going to the NYC 2006 conference? #galicia

Shelley K. Pollero
 

Dear Galitzianers,

A link >from the Gesher Galicia Home Page to the NYC 2006 Conference web
site s now live. Go to the GG Home Page http://www.jewishgen.org/galicia/ for a
list of GG conference activities. Details (dates/times) will be added when
confirmed by the Conference Committee.

There are two new conference-related web pages linked >from the GG Home Page:

If you are you planning on attending the conference, you may register your
name, email address, towns (in Galicia) and surnames - for all to see. You
may also list if you are looking for a roommate or to carpool.

You can see who else is planning on going to the conference and their
Galicia research interests.

Check for updates. http://www.jewishgen.org/galicia/

For more information, join the New York 2006 Conference list and post your
questions online. http://lyris.jewishgen.org/ListManager/

Regards,

Shelley

Shelley K. Pollero
Gesher Galicia
Severna Park, Maryland
geshergalicia@...
http://www.jewishgen.org/Galicia/

Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Galitzianers, are you going to the NYC 2006 conference? #galicia

Shelley K. Pollero
 

Dear Galitzianers,

A link >from the Gesher Galicia Home Page to the NYC 2006 Conference web
site s now live. Go to the GG Home Page http://www.jewishgen.org/galicia/ for a
list of GG conference activities. Details (dates/times) will be added when
confirmed by the Conference Committee.

There are two new conference-related web pages linked >from the GG Home Page:

If you are you planning on attending the conference, you may register your
name, email address, towns (in Galicia) and surnames - for all to see. You
may also list if you are looking for a roommate or to carpool.

You can see who else is planning on going to the conference and their
Galicia research interests.

Check for updates. http://www.jewishgen.org/galicia/

For more information, join the New York 2006 Conference list and post your
questions online. http://lyris.jewishgen.org/ListManager/

Regards,

Shelley

Shelley K. Pollero
Gesher Galicia
Severna Park, Maryland
geshergalicia@...
http://www.jewishgen.org/Galicia/

Abraham Stern {Krummau} - Cross-references in the 1793 census of Bohemia Pt II #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Earlier in the week we discussed the forbear of Susie Boyer and Tom
Fuerth - the wealthy Abraham STERN of Trebon and Neuhaus. So who was
our doppelganger, Abraham STERN of Krummau? It helps to understand
German to read the original annotations in the census. There are also
footnotes in Czech which Hanus Grab and Jan Hellmann help me with
from time to time.
At Abraham's place of work in Prachatitz it states that he was the
unmarried, first-born son and was substituting for the resident tobacco
concessionaire, in place of his mother Rosl NEUMANN of Chlumetschek.
Abraham is stated as being a resident of Herrschaft Krummau, Bechiner
Kreis, Bohemia [Vol III p.105].

If we look at this website:
http://ekeil.gmxhome.de/vwe-a-m.htm
we can see that by 1793 the Bechiner Kreis had ceased to exist. It
was split into the Budweiser and the Tabor Kreis. People were obviously
not that familiar with the new Kreis designations in 1793 and they
still slipped back to the old Kreis names.

Be that as it may, we can find Herrschaft Krummau {Cesky Krumlov}
in the Budweiser Kreis and Gut Chlumetschek is part of it. Here we
find Samuel NEUMANN who has leased a large building and runs a potash
distillery. His wife is called Rosel, originally STERN, and they have
living with them the children >from her first marriage: Samuel STERN
as first-born, Abraham as second born, then we have Salomon and Lazarus
followed by daughters Eleanora and Elisabet. [Vol 1 p. 242]

Samuel NEUMANN actually comes >from Jung Wozitzs {Mlada Vozice], Tabor
Kreis, but I have found no other Neumann living there.

So Abraham appears as a first-born at his place of work whereas at
home he is listed as a second-born. I doubt his mother would have made
such a mistake.

Stadt Krummau itself, has only one Jewish family headed by Lewy
ROSTERHOLZER and you will by now have have guessed it, he holds the
district tobacco concession. He goes under the names Lobl ROSTERHOLZ
and Lowy RUSTERHOLTZER in the Prachiner Kreis index.

We have tapped into a vein of very wealthy Bohemian Jews here, who
seem to dominate the tobacco market.

re the number of indices one has to "thumb through" for a thorough
Screen of the 1793 census of Bohemia - I did mention 16 but actually
there are 32 so far and Prague is still to come! This is because each
Kreis has a name index as well as a place index.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Abraham Stern {Krummau} - Cross-references in the 1793 census of Bohemia Pt II #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Earlier in the week we discussed the forbear of Susie Boyer and Tom
Fuerth - the wealthy Abraham STERN of Trebon and Neuhaus. So who was
our doppelganger, Abraham STERN of Krummau? It helps to understand
German to read the original annotations in the census. There are also
footnotes in Czech which Hanus Grab and Jan Hellmann help me with
from time to time.
At Abraham's place of work in Prachatitz it states that he was the
unmarried, first-born son and was substituting for the resident tobacco
concessionaire, in place of his mother Rosl NEUMANN of Chlumetschek.
Abraham is stated as being a resident of Herrschaft Krummau, Bechiner
Kreis, Bohemia [Vol III p.105].

If we look at this website:
http://ekeil.gmxhome.de/vwe-a-m.htm
we can see that by 1793 the Bechiner Kreis had ceased to exist. It
was split into the Budweiser and the Tabor Kreis. People were obviously
not that familiar with the new Kreis designations in 1793 and they
still slipped back to the old Kreis names.

Be that as it may, we can find Herrschaft Krummau {Cesky Krumlov}
in the Budweiser Kreis and Gut Chlumetschek is part of it. Here we
find Samuel NEUMANN who has leased a large building and runs a potash
distillery. His wife is called Rosel, originally STERN, and they have
living with them the children >from her first marriage: Samuel STERN
as first-born, Abraham as second born, then we have Salomon and Lazarus
followed by daughters Eleanora and Elisabet. [Vol 1 p. 242]

Samuel NEUMANN actually comes >from Jung Wozitzs {Mlada Vozice], Tabor
Kreis, but I have found no other Neumann living there.

So Abraham appears as a first-born at his place of work whereas at
home he is listed as a second-born. I doubt his mother would have made
such a mistake.

Stadt Krummau itself, has only one Jewish family headed by Lewy
ROSTERHOLZER and you will by now have have guessed it, he holds the
district tobacco concession. He goes under the names Lobl ROSTERHOLZ
and Lowy RUSTERHOLTZER in the Prachiner Kreis index.

We have tapped into a vein of very wealthy Bohemian Jews here, who
seem to dominate the tobacco market.

re the number of indices one has to "thumb through" for a thorough
Screen of the 1793 census of Bohemia - I did mention 16 but actually
there are 32 so far and Prague is still to come! This is because each
Kreis has a name index as well as a place index.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Schwarz family search #austria-czech

Herbert Schwarz <schwarzs@...>
 

I am researching the bohemian SCHWARZ Family. I have Nathan SCHWARZ Born
Chausnik, married to Lidmila. Their son (my GGrandfather) Jakob SCHWARZ was
born Aug.30,1811 in Chausnik, he was married to Barbara.

Their son Moritz Schwarz was born Feb.26,1852 in Gauftnitz-Stadl (Gauftnitz
could be Chausnik), Moritz was married to Franciska (Fani) Popper born May
14,1856 in Radnin. (Bothe Radenin and Chaustnik are in the Tabor Area).
My father Siegfried Schwarz was born Dec.1,1895 in Jablonski, siblings were
as follows,
Klara married to Zigmund LEDERER, Kamila married to Viktor KLEMENS, Ida
married to Adolf WEDELES, Elsa married to Bohus SCHNEIDER, Berta married to
Sigmund ZALUD, brothers were Ludwik, Julius and Otto.
Except for Siegfried and Ludwik, all the remaining siblings were holocaust
victims.

Any information on the foregoing would be appreciated.

Herb Schwarz
Ontario,Canada

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Schwarz family search #austria-czech

Herbert Schwarz <schwarzs@...>
 

I am researching the bohemian SCHWARZ Family. I have Nathan SCHWARZ Born
Chausnik, married to Lidmila. Their son (my GGrandfather) Jakob SCHWARZ was
born Aug.30,1811 in Chausnik, he was married to Barbara.

Their son Moritz Schwarz was born Feb.26,1852 in Gauftnitz-Stadl (Gauftnitz
could be Chausnik), Moritz was married to Franciska (Fani) Popper born May
14,1856 in Radnin. (Bothe Radenin and Chaustnik are in the Tabor Area).
My father Siegfried Schwarz was born Dec.1,1895 in Jablonski, siblings were
as follows,
Klara married to Zigmund LEDERER, Kamila married to Viktor KLEMENS, Ida
married to Adolf WEDELES, Elsa married to Bohus SCHNEIDER, Berta married to
Sigmund ZALUD, brothers were Ludwik, Julius and Otto.
Except for Siegfried and Ludwik, all the remaining siblings were holocaust
victims.

Any information on the foregoing would be appreciated.

Herb Schwarz
Ontario,Canada

Abraham Stern - Cross Reference in the 1793 Census #austria-czech

Amira Kohn-Trattner <amira.kt@...>
 

Thank you Celia for the detailed research steps which are so interesting to
follow. I also appreciated your comment about the search in the indexes and
the census as an art in itself. Several months ago, I went to the New York
Public Library to see whether I can have a look at the 1793 census. The NY
Public Library does not have the Census but I was informed that they could
request it on loan >from several universities. The four volumes arrived in
NY after several weeks >from Stamford University. I spent a day researching
and found it so fascinating but also very difficult to figure it out. May I
suggest the possibility of a conference/workshop for those of us who would
like to learn some of the research methods? It could be a nice get together
anyway.

Amira Kohn-Trattner
New York, N.Y.

How to find relations: BOGART/DAITCH Republic of Georgia (Russia) - USA #general

Terry McMahon <joema62@...>
 

I am looking to find where my Grandmother came from. She was born under
the name of BOGART in the Republic of Georgia in Russia somewhere around
1900 I searched the database using Russia as the country without
success. I also searched using Georgia as the country without success
When she left Russia to avoid the Pogroms as that time she emigrated to
the U.S. On the boat she came on she married a Samuel DAITCH and
arrived in New York Ellis Island as Mrs Daitch. I also looked in the
Database for Daitch without success. Can anyone tell me how to do a
better search to find out about my Grandmother. All the information I
have is inputted into the DB.

Regards
Terry McMahon
191231

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Abraham Stern - Cross Reference in the 1793 Census #austria-czech

Amira Kohn-Trattner <amira.kt@...>
 

Thank you Celia for the detailed research steps which are so interesting to
follow. I also appreciated your comment about the search in the indexes and
the census as an art in itself. Several months ago, I went to the New York
Public Library to see whether I can have a look at the 1793 census. The NY
Public Library does not have the Census but I was informed that they could
request it on loan >from several universities. The four volumes arrived in
NY after several weeks >from Stamford University. I spent a day researching
and found it so fascinating but also very difficult to figure it out. May I
suggest the possibility of a conference/workshop for those of us who would
like to learn some of the research methods? It could be a nice get together
anyway.

Amira Kohn-Trattner
New York, N.Y.

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen How to find relations: BOGART/DAITCH Republic of Georgia (Russia) - USA #general

Terry McMahon <joema62@...>
 

I am looking to find where my Grandmother came from. She was born under
the name of BOGART in the Republic of Georgia in Russia somewhere around
1900 I searched the database using Russia as the country without
success. I also searched using Georgia as the country without success
When she left Russia to avoid the Pogroms as that time she emigrated to
the U.S. On the boat she came on she married a Samuel DAITCH and
arrived in New York Ellis Island as Mrs Daitch. I also looked in the
Database for Daitch without success. Can anyone tell me how to do a
better search to find out about my Grandmother. All the information I
have is inputted into the DB.

Regards
Terry McMahon
191231

Abraham STERN, 1793 census etc #austria-czech

Thomas Fuerth <08.330516@...>
 

I have found the rigth Abraham STERN first through Julius Mueller who found
his son Wolf in the Familianten book. Wolf STERN was father of my
grandfather´s grandmother. Then I got information >from a third cousin in
Prague Jiri Dubsky, who´s father made a family tree where Abraham and his
wife Rosina were amog all other names. I got their birth and death dates
this way. Then I got information >from Alex Calzareth - who also is related
to this Abraham Stern - about the inventory in Judaica Bohemiae, where all
the children are listed. Then I went to the 1793 census vol I and III. In
the inventory it says that Abraham owned a house in Kardasch Retschitz and
in vol III page 348 I found two of his sons there: my Wolf and a brother
Joachim. In vol I page 260 Trebon you will find all the children. And in vol
III page 333 you will find Abraham STERN´s sepmother Francisca widow after
Elias STERN, who was Abraham´s father.

Three of the eleven children of Abraham were married and their husbans´names
were in the inventory and I found all three of them in the 1793 census. One
of the marreid daughters were Anna. She was married to Lazar FUERTH and
their daughter is the link to Susie´s family tree. How Lazar FUERTH is
related to my FUERTH I do not know yet, but he as well as my FUERTH people
are >from Susice.

This long answer only to show that I think that the printed version of the
1793 census is very good source to trace relatives. But you must read
through all the books because people moved and lived at different places and
you must combine with information >from vital records and Familianten books.

On internet http://www.rozmberk.org/English/index.html I also found a map
of the Jewish houses in Kardasch Retschitz with all the names of the house
owners. When I first found this site I did not know that this Abraham STERN
was my Abraham, but now I know that he was. Something happened with this
web site and there is only the text left no pictures and no map. But I have
a copy of the map.

Thomas Fuerth
Stockholm, Sweden
08.330516@...

FUERTH, Susice and Kolesovice, HELLER, Orakov, ENGEL, Libomysl and Prague,
STERN, Trebon, STERN, Miskovice, LEINER, Blsany, GROSSMAN, Police and
Vienna, JANOWSKY, Janovice nad Uhlavou, POPPER and DUSCHENES, Breznice and
Prague
GROSZMANN, Mor Hungary, MANDL, Mor, Hungary.

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Abraham STERN, 1793 census etc #austria-czech

Thomas Fuerth <08.330516@...>
 

I have found the rigth Abraham STERN first through Julius Mueller who found
his son Wolf in the Familianten book. Wolf STERN was father of my
grandfather´s grandmother. Then I got information >from a third cousin in
Prague Jiri Dubsky, who´s father made a family tree where Abraham and his
wife Rosina were amog all other names. I got their birth and death dates
this way. Then I got information >from Alex Calzareth - who also is related
to this Abraham Stern - about the inventory in Judaica Bohemiae, where all
the children are listed. Then I went to the 1793 census vol I and III. In
the inventory it says that Abraham owned a house in Kardasch Retschitz and
in vol III page 348 I found two of his sons there: my Wolf and a brother
Joachim. In vol I page 260 Trebon you will find all the children. And in vol
III page 333 you will find Abraham STERN´s sepmother Francisca widow after
Elias STERN, who was Abraham´s father.

Three of the eleven children of Abraham were married and their husbans´names
were in the inventory and I found all three of them in the 1793 census. One
of the marreid daughters were Anna. She was married to Lazar FUERTH and
their daughter is the link to Susie´s family tree. How Lazar FUERTH is
related to my FUERTH I do not know yet, but he as well as my FUERTH people
are >from Susice.

This long answer only to show that I think that the printed version of the
1793 census is very good source to trace relatives. But you must read
through all the books because people moved and lived at different places and
you must combine with information >from vital records and Familianten books.

On internet http://www.rozmberk.org/English/index.html I also found a map
of the Jewish houses in Kardasch Retschitz with all the names of the house
owners. When I first found this site I did not know that this Abraham STERN
was my Abraham, but now I know that he was. Something happened with this
web site and there is only the text left no pictures and no map. But I have
a copy of the map.

Thomas Fuerth
Stockholm, Sweden
08.330516@...

FUERTH, Susice and Kolesovice, HELLER, Orakov, ENGEL, Libomysl and Prague,
STERN, Trebon, STERN, Miskovice, LEINER, Blsany, GROSSMAN, Police and
Vienna, JANOWSKY, Janovice nad Uhlavou, POPPER and DUSCHENES, Breznice and
Prague
GROSZMANN, Mor Hungary, MANDL, Mor, Hungary.