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Re: Theresienstadt death records #austria-czech

rob.pearman@...
 

Re: Terezin death records
As many of us have discovered >from research, it was not only in Terezin
that the Nazis invented convenient lies about the cause of death. My late
mother-in-law's first husband and her own mother both died in Lodz ghetto
from 'weakness of the heart muscles' (aka starvation and disease). My late
father-in-law's brother appears in Vera Schiff's memoir 'Theresienstadt' where
she describes his visit to her dying sister: 'his medical advice was to apply
warm compresses on her distended joints. He had nothing else to give her,
aside >from a few friendly, compassionate words'. One cannot imagine the
distress of being a 'physician without medecines'. He was later murdered in Auschwitz.
While this online discussion of Terezin continues, I wonder if anyone can
point me to potential sources of information (I believe I have tried all the
obvious routes.) The father of my mother-in-law's first husband was sent
to the fortress of Terezin in 1940 but we do not know why. He was a lawyer
from the Sudetenland, who had 'relocated' to Prague in 1938/39. He only
survived in the prison for a few months. I wonder if anyone knows of any
new sources of information that might shed light on why he was sent to the
fortress at that time.

Rob Pearman
UK


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: Theresienstadt death records #austria-czech

rob.pearman@...
 

Re: Terezin death records
As many of us have discovered >from research, it was not only in Terezin
that the Nazis invented convenient lies about the cause of death. My late
mother-in-law's first husband and her own mother both died in Lodz ghetto
from 'weakness of the heart muscles' (aka starvation and disease). My late
father-in-law's brother appears in Vera Schiff's memoir 'Theresienstadt' where
she describes his visit to her dying sister: 'his medical advice was to apply
warm compresses on her distended joints. He had nothing else to give her,
aside >from a few friendly, compassionate words'. One cannot imagine the
distress of being a 'physician without medecines'. He was later murdered in Auschwitz.
While this online discussion of Terezin continues, I wonder if anyone can
point me to potential sources of information (I believe I have tried all the
obvious routes.) The father of my mother-in-law's first husband was sent
to the fortress of Terezin in 1940 but we do not know why. He was a lawyer
from the Sudetenland, who had 'relocated' to Prague in 1938/39. He only
survived in the prison for a few months. I wonder if anyone knows of any
new sources of information that might shed light on why he was sent to the
fortress at that time.

Rob Pearman
UK


Theresienstadt #austria-czech

carole@...
 

John Freund wrote "Although you are not saying: The three sisters of Franziska survived and one did not.
Are you intimating that Franziska was treated differently and why?...There were many doctors and nurses
who carried on their medical duties honestly."

My response is as follows:
Franziska was actually one of seven sisters and only three of them were sent to Theresienstadt: Franziska
who died there, Kathe who survived, and Paula Kohn Spitzer who was later sent >from Theresienstadt to
Maly Trostinec where she perished. A fourth sister Betti Kohn Schmidl was sent directly >from Hungary to
Auschwitz where she was gassed.

Of the other surviving sisters, Jenny Kohn Breuer-Weil hid in France during the war and later moved to
London. Helene Kohn found a safe haven in Argentina , and Gisa Kohn Dollinger fled to Shanghai where she
endured ghetto life under the Japanese. (She is the one who is now 110, giving credence to the saying
"what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.")

The reason for including the ages of the surviving sisters in my previous post was to show that Franziska's
family had longevity in its genes and that I didn't accept the explanation of old age as contributing cause of
her death as stated in the Theresienstadt death certificate.

Why would you think that I was disparaging the treatment given to Franziska by the Jewish doctors and
nurses? I never implied this and the purpose of my post was simply to show that the accuracy of the death
certificates was in doubt.

Carole Garbuny Vogel
Glastonbury, CT


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Theresienstadt #austria-czech

carole@...
 

John Freund wrote "Although you are not saying: The three sisters of Franziska survived and one did not.
Are you intimating that Franziska was treated differently and why?...There were many doctors and nurses
who carried on their medical duties honestly."

My response is as follows:
Franziska was actually one of seven sisters and only three of them were sent to Theresienstadt: Franziska
who died there, Kathe who survived, and Paula Kohn Spitzer who was later sent >from Theresienstadt to
Maly Trostinec where she perished. A fourth sister Betti Kohn Schmidl was sent directly >from Hungary to
Auschwitz where she was gassed.

Of the other surviving sisters, Jenny Kohn Breuer-Weil hid in France during the war and later moved to
London. Helene Kohn found a safe haven in Argentina , and Gisa Kohn Dollinger fled to Shanghai where she
endured ghetto life under the Japanese. (She is the one who is now 110, giving credence to the saying
"what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.")

The reason for including the ages of the surviving sisters in my previous post was to show that Franziska's
family had longevity in its genes and that I didn't accept the explanation of old age as contributing cause of
her death as stated in the Theresienstadt death certificate.

Why would you think that I was disparaging the treatment given to Franziska by the Jewish doctors and
nurses? I never implied this and the purpose of my post was simply to show that the accuracy of the death
certificates was in doubt.

Carole Garbuny Vogel
Glastonbury, CT


Re: Lower East Side Gangs #general

Lisa Grayson <lisa@...>
 

My grandfather Szul JAKOBOWITZ born in Sanok in 1900 and arrived in
1911, was later called Charles JACOBOWITZ .... According to family lore,
he was sent >from NYC to Braddock, Pa because he was involved with gangs<<

I can't help with the gang question, but I suggest that Renee check
Carnegie Mellon's outstanding Pittsburgh Jewish Newspaper Project to find
out more about her grandfather's family. Go to
http://digitalcollections.library.cmu.edu/pjn/search.jsp#
and search for Jacobowitz; you can limit the search dates if you like.

A quick hunt for the surname for issues >from 1915 to 1940 revealed 87
references, including several mentioning Braddock. Some of these
Jacobowitzes may be your relatives. Good luck!

Yours sincerely,
Lisa Grayson
Chicago, Illinois USA

Researching: MARUCHES, FINK, ROSENTHAL in Vilna, Moletai, Grodno,
Sopotskin, Özery, Liverpool; LEVIN in Grodno; HIRSCHBERG in Vilna and
Grodno; GOLDMAN in Danzig/Gdansk; ROSENBLOOM in Liverpool; ROSEN and
ROSENKRANTZ in Warsaw; BARMON in Lipno and Rypin; WEINER in Berdichev;
GOLDBERG in Berdichev and Kiev


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Lower East Side Gangs #general

Lisa Grayson <lisa@...>
 

My grandfather Szul JAKOBOWITZ born in Sanok in 1900 and arrived in
1911, was later called Charles JACOBOWITZ .... According to family lore,
he was sent >from NYC to Braddock, Pa because he was involved with gangs<<

I can't help with the gang question, but I suggest that Renee check
Carnegie Mellon's outstanding Pittsburgh Jewish Newspaper Project to find
out more about her grandfather's family. Go to
http://digitalcollections.library.cmu.edu/pjn/search.jsp#
and search for Jacobowitz; you can limit the search dates if you like.

A quick hunt for the surname for issues >from 1915 to 1940 revealed 87
references, including several mentioning Braddock. Some of these
Jacobowitzes may be your relatives. Good luck!

Yours sincerely,
Lisa Grayson
Chicago, Illinois USA

Researching: MARUCHES, FINK, ROSENTHAL in Vilna, Moletai, Grodno,
Sopotskin, Özery, Liverpool; LEVIN in Grodno; HIRSCHBERG in Vilna and
Grodno; GOLDMAN in Danzig/Gdansk; ROSENBLOOM in Liverpool; ROSEN and
ROSENKRANTZ in Warsaw; BARMON in Lipno and Rypin; WEINER in Berdichev;
GOLDBERG in Berdichev and Kiev


Theresienstadt/Terezin death records #austria-czech

pinardpr@...
 

Dear SIGgers,

When reading the causes of death on death certificates >from Theresienstadt/Terezin, I think it is important
to keep in mind that these illnesses and deaths did not occur within a vacuum, but as part of a long-term
and systematic policy on the part of Nazi officialdom to bring about the premature deaths of the Jewish
population. They were in essence the early poisoned fruits of an intentional policy of genocide.

As part of that genocide, the content of the death certificates should probably viewed in many cases as true,
but only in a very literal sense. They most likely provide a sense of the ultimate cause of death, but do not
reflect the entire picture. For example, someone who dies >from a heart attack during a beating might have
that "heart attack" as the literal cause of death, but clearly the beating was the cause in a larger sense.
Naturally, one cannot rule out individual cases of intentional obfuscation on the death certificates.
Examining physicians may have received direct orders to list a "natural" cause for what was outright violent
murder.

One of the initial instruments of this policy of genocide was the rationing system, and the general control
of the economy introduced in Germany and the Protectorate at the onset of World War II. According to Karel
Lagus and Josef Polak's "Mesto za mrizemi" ("City Behind Bars"), already in August 1940, shopping times for
Jews were restricted to late mornings and late afternoons. Naturally, in times of tight supplies, this step
greatly reduced Jews' ability to obtain scarce foodstuffs, as other consumers had their pick of goods before
Jews were allowed to buy any. Shopping times were later restricted only to late afternoons (1500-1700
hours) and/or to individual shops, further reducing the chance of obtaining scarce goods.

Punishments for violating this rule were draconian. Recently, while looking into the police records of Adolf
Fischer -- later the infamous prisoner-hangman of Theresienstadt/Terezin and Capo of the "Czech Family
Camp" at Auschwitz -- I found documents that cast a light on the everyday food situation of Jews in the
Protectorate months prior to the establishment of the Ghetto. In mid-April 1941, Fischer attempted to buy
something for breakfast at the food market halls of downtown Prague at 7:00 in the morning. A policeman
caught him. In his defense, he stated that, while he knew the shopping time for Jews only started eight
hours later, he was given to convulsions and was unable to buy anything during the allotted Jewish
shopping times. It did not help him. He received five days in prison, which in Nazi-run Prague generally
meant routine beatings and further deprivation of food.

The rationing system itself eventually allowed the Nazi authorities to exclude Jews outright >from the
purchase various foodstuffs and other goods. Already in January 1941, Jews were excluded >from receiving
ration coupons for apples -- one of the region's most common fruits and a good source of vitamins. In
August 1941, legumes followed. In October 1941, by decree of the Ministry of Agriculture, Jews were
excluded >from receiving ration coupons for fruit of any type whether fresh, preserved or dried, for cheese,
sweets, fish and fish products, poultry or game. It was also not allowed for Gentiles to sell or donate any
such products to Jews. Many more foodstuffs were to follow.

Thus already prior to the establishment of the Ghetto, the Nazis had eliminated legal access to many
sources of nutrition >from Jews' diets, thereby intentionally weakening their immune systems and making
them more susceptible to disease.

One of the first civilian inmates to die in the Theresienstadt/Terezin Ghetto was a distant relative named
Vilma Pollakova. Her passing on 1 January 1942 aged just 44 years >from "sepsis" leading to "heart failure"
shocked Egon Redlich so much that he noted it in his famous diary. What precisely lay behind the term
"sepsis" -- whether an untreated, infected cut or a bad chest cold worsened by sleeping on bare cement
floors of the Dresdner Kaserne in the dead of winter -- may never be known.

Regardless of what the ultimate cause of death recorded on the certificates is, it changes nothing about the
fact that the Nazi authorities wanted these deaths to occur and intentionally withheld available nutrition
and medical assistance in order to promote their occurrence. In their cynical mindset, a Jew who died of
"natural causes" at Theresienstadt/Terezin was one Jew less to deport and murder out East.

Under those circumstances, I think we need to regard ALL deaths at Theresienstadt/Terezin, regardless of
the victims age or previous healthcare history, as cases of MURDER and we need to see them in the overall
context of genocide and martyrdom.

Never again!

Rick Pinard
Prag


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Theresienstadt/Terezin death records #austria-czech

pinardpr@...
 

Dear SIGgers,

When reading the causes of death on death certificates >from Theresienstadt/Terezin, I think it is important
to keep in mind that these illnesses and deaths did not occur within a vacuum, but as part of a long-term
and systematic policy on the part of Nazi officialdom to bring about the premature deaths of the Jewish
population. They were in essence the early poisoned fruits of an intentional policy of genocide.

As part of that genocide, the content of the death certificates should probably viewed in many cases as true,
but only in a very literal sense. They most likely provide a sense of the ultimate cause of death, but do not
reflect the entire picture. For example, someone who dies >from a heart attack during a beating might have
that "heart attack" as the literal cause of death, but clearly the beating was the cause in a larger sense.
Naturally, one cannot rule out individual cases of intentional obfuscation on the death certificates.
Examining physicians may have received direct orders to list a "natural" cause for what was outright violent
murder.

One of the initial instruments of this policy of genocide was the rationing system, and the general control
of the economy introduced in Germany and the Protectorate at the onset of World War II. According to Karel
Lagus and Josef Polak's "Mesto za mrizemi" ("City Behind Bars"), already in August 1940, shopping times for
Jews were restricted to late mornings and late afternoons. Naturally, in times of tight supplies, this step
greatly reduced Jews' ability to obtain scarce foodstuffs, as other consumers had their pick of goods before
Jews were allowed to buy any. Shopping times were later restricted only to late afternoons (1500-1700
hours) and/or to individual shops, further reducing the chance of obtaining scarce goods.

Punishments for violating this rule were draconian. Recently, while looking into the police records of Adolf
Fischer -- later the infamous prisoner-hangman of Theresienstadt/Terezin and Capo of the "Czech Family
Camp" at Auschwitz -- I found documents that cast a light on the everyday food situation of Jews in the
Protectorate months prior to the establishment of the Ghetto. In mid-April 1941, Fischer attempted to buy
something for breakfast at the food market halls of downtown Prague at 7:00 in the morning. A policeman
caught him. In his defense, he stated that, while he knew the shopping time for Jews only started eight
hours later, he was given to convulsions and was unable to buy anything during the allotted Jewish
shopping times. It did not help him. He received five days in prison, which in Nazi-run Prague generally
meant routine beatings and further deprivation of food.

The rationing system itself eventually allowed the Nazi authorities to exclude Jews outright >from the
purchase various foodstuffs and other goods. Already in January 1941, Jews were excluded >from receiving
ration coupons for apples -- one of the region's most common fruits and a good source of vitamins. In
August 1941, legumes followed. In October 1941, by decree of the Ministry of Agriculture, Jews were
excluded >from receiving ration coupons for fruit of any type whether fresh, preserved or dried, for cheese,
sweets, fish and fish products, poultry or game. It was also not allowed for Gentiles to sell or donate any
such products to Jews. Many more foodstuffs were to follow.

Thus already prior to the establishment of the Ghetto, the Nazis had eliminated legal access to many
sources of nutrition >from Jews' diets, thereby intentionally weakening their immune systems and making
them more susceptible to disease.

One of the first civilian inmates to die in the Theresienstadt/Terezin Ghetto was a distant relative named
Vilma Pollakova. Her passing on 1 January 1942 aged just 44 years >from "sepsis" leading to "heart failure"
shocked Egon Redlich so much that he noted it in his famous diary. What precisely lay behind the term
"sepsis" -- whether an untreated, infected cut or a bad chest cold worsened by sleeping on bare cement
floors of the Dresdner Kaserne in the dead of winter -- may never be known.

Regardless of what the ultimate cause of death recorded on the certificates is, it changes nothing about the
fact that the Nazi authorities wanted these deaths to occur and intentionally withheld available nutrition
and medical assistance in order to promote their occurrence. In their cynical mindset, a Jew who died of
"natural causes" at Theresienstadt/Terezin was one Jew less to deport and murder out East.

Under those circumstances, I think we need to regard ALL deaths at Theresienstadt/Terezin, regardless of
the victims age or previous healthcare history, as cases of MURDER and we need to see them in the overall
context of genocide and martyrdom.

Never again!

Rick Pinard
Prag


Spam Blockers #lithuania

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Please remember to add important email addresses to your safe list
so you receive all correspondence >from the President, Treasurer and
Project Coordinators of LitvakSIG.

Please add esjoachim@optonline.net so your contribution receipt can
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Likewise, add the address of the Coordinator of the research group to
which you have contributed. All contact information appears on our website.

Thank you,
Eden Joachim


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Spam Blockers #lithuania

esjoachim@...
 

Please remember to add important email addresses to your safe list
so you receive all correspondence >from the President, Treasurer and
Project Coordinators of LitvakSIG.

Please add esjoachim@optonline.net so your contribution receipt can
reach you. I appreciate your financial support in the form of dues
and project contrbutions, but often the official receipt is returned
to me as undeliverable.

Likewise, add the address of the Coordinator of the research group to
which you have contributed. All contact information appears on our website.

Thank you,
Eden Joachim


revision lists #lithuania

Gary Kass <gman425@...>
 

Hello! I am looking for the 1858 revision lists for the town of Ilya
in the Vilnius Gubernia. Can somebody help me?

Any assistance will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you very much.

Gary Kass
gman425@nyc.com
Staten Island,New York USA


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania revision lists #lithuania

Gary Kass <gman425@...>
 

Hello! I am looking for the 1858 revision lists for the town of Ilya
in the Vilnius Gubernia. Can somebody help me?

Any assistance will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you very much.

Gary Kass
gman425@nyc.com
Staten Island,New York USA


Re: Records from Lodz #poland

Roni S. Liebowitz
 

Dear Ariel,

Although I don't know which is which, I believe these are the Unikat and
Duplikat Registers, one in the USC and the other in the Lodz Archives.
In that case, they are likely to be almost the same although we do find
differences >from time to time.

The problem is that the Lodz Archives does not typically allow a search
of the post 1911 data and refers people to the USC. At least that is
what a Lodz researcher in Poland told me, as well as others who are
researching records less than 100 years old. This is consistent with
the Polish state privacy law that only records more than 100 years old
can be made available to the public.

However the Lodz Archives have Books of Residents that can be searched and
they may indicate the information on the birth as well as the actual place
of birth of the mother and thus the likely place for the marriage.
JRI-Poland had just started indexing that when all indexing was stopped a
few years ago.

You may want to consider hiring a researcher in Lodz to search the Book of
Residents for your family information. If you need names of researchers
there, let me know.

What names are you researching? Perhaps someone else reading this will have
more information for you.

Good luck with your research.

Roni Seibel Liebowitz
New York
Lodz Archive Coordinator for JRI-Poland


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland Re: Records from Lodz #poland #lodz

Roni S. Liebowitz
 

Dear Ariel,

Although I don't know which is which, I believe these are the Unikat and
Duplikat Registers, one in the USC and the other in the Lodz Archives.
In that case, they are likely to be almost the same although we do find
differences >from time to time.

The problem is that the Lodz Archives does not typically allow a search
of the post 1911 data and refers people to the USC. At least that is
what a Lodz researcher in Poland told me, as well as others who are
researching records less than 100 years old. This is consistent with
the Polish state privacy law that only records more than 100 years old
can be made available to the public.

However the Lodz Archives have Books of Residents that can be searched and
they may indicate the information on the birth as well as the actual place
of birth of the mother and thus the likely place for the marriage.
JRI-Poland had just started indexing that when all indexing was stopped a
few years ago.

You may want to consider hiring a researcher in Lodz to search the Book of
Residents for your family information. If you need names of researchers
there, let me know.

What names are you researching? Perhaps someone else reading this will have
more information for you.

Good luck with your research.

Roni Seibel Liebowitz
New York
Lodz Archive Coordinator for JRI-Poland


Records from Lodz #lodz #poland

Ariel K <arielvfu@...>
 

We are searching for a birth registration >from the city of Lodz dates
back to 1938 (and a marriage registration dates back a few years
before)
We have addressed the USC but they DO NOT have any information
concerning both events

now after some search we found out that the Lodz archive contain ALSO
registration of birth and marriages >from these years

our question is: Is there a possibility that a marriage/birth record
from the 1930's that was not found in the USC-Lodz might be found in
the Lodz archive ?

Thank you
Ariel Koby


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland Records from Lodz #lodz #poland

Ariel K <arielvfu@...>
 

We are searching for a birth registration >from the city of Lodz dates
back to 1938 (and a marriage registration dates back a few years
before)
We have addressed the USC but they DO NOT have any information
concerning both events

now after some search we found out that the Lodz archive contain ALSO
registration of birth and marriages >from these years

our question is: Is there a possibility that a marriage/birth record
from the 1930's that was not found in the USC-Lodz might be found in
the Lodz archive ?

Thank you
Ariel Koby


Re: Records from Lodz #poland

Roni S. Liebowitz
 

Dear Ariel,

Although I don't know which is which, I believe these are the Unikat and
Duplikat Registers, one in the USC and the other in the Lodz Archives.
In that case, they are likely to be almost the same although we do find
differences >from time to time.

The problem is that the Lodz Archives does not typically allow a search
of the post 1911 data and refers people to the USC. At least that is what
a Lodz researcher in Poland told me, as well as others who are researching
records less than 100 years old. This is consistent with the Polish state
privacy law that only records more than 100 years old can be made available
to the public.

However the Lodz Archives have Books of Residents that can be searched
and they may indicate the information on the birth as well as the actual
place of birth of the mother and thus the likely place for the marriage.
JRI-Poland had just started indexing that when all indexing was stopped
a few years ago.

You may want to consider hiring a researcher in Lodz to search the Book of
Residents for your family information. If you need names of researchers there,
let me know.

What names are you researching? Perhaps someone else reading this will have
more information for you.

Good luck with your research.

Roni Seibel Liebowitz
New York
Lodz Archive Coordinator for JRI-Poland


JRI Poland #Poland Re: Records from Lodz #poland

Roni S. Liebowitz
 

Dear Ariel,

Although I don't know which is which, I believe these are the Unikat and
Duplikat Registers, one in the USC and the other in the Lodz Archives.
In that case, they are likely to be almost the same although we do find
differences >from time to time.

The problem is that the Lodz Archives does not typically allow a search
of the post 1911 data and refers people to the USC. At least that is what
a Lodz researcher in Poland told me, as well as others who are researching
records less than 100 years old. This is consistent with the Polish state
privacy law that only records more than 100 years old can be made available
to the public.

However the Lodz Archives have Books of Residents that can be searched
and they may indicate the information on the birth as well as the actual
place of birth of the mother and thus the likely place for the marriage.
JRI-Poland had just started indexing that when all indexing was stopped
a few years ago.

You may want to consider hiring a researcher in Lodz to search the Book of
Residents for your family information. If you need names of researchers there,
let me know.

What names are you researching? Perhaps someone else reading this will have
more information for you.

Good luck with your research.

Roni Seibel Liebowitz
New York
Lodz Archive Coordinator for JRI-Poland


Records from Lodz #poland

Ariel K <arielvfu@...>
 

We are searching for a birth registration >from the city of Lodz dates
back to 1938 (and a marriage registration dates back a few years
before)
We have addressed the USC but they DO NOT have any information
concerning both events

now after some search we found out that the Lodz archive contain ALSO
registration of birth and marriages >from these years

our question is: Is there a possibility that a marriage/birth record
from the 1930's that was not found in the USC-Lodz might be found in
the Lodz archive ?

Thank you
Ariel Koby


JRI Poland #Poland Records from Lodz #poland

Ariel K <arielvfu@...>
 

We are searching for a birth registration >from the city of Lodz dates
back to 1938 (and a marriage registration dates back a few years
before)
We have addressed the USC but they DO NOT have any information
concerning both events

now after some search we found out that the Lodz archive contain ALSO
registration of birth and marriages >from these years

our question is: Is there a possibility that a marriage/birth record
from the 1930's that was not found in the USC-Lodz might be found in
the Lodz archive ?

Thank you
Ariel Koby

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