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The Cesky Krumlov Synagogue #austria-czech

meretz
 

Thank you Dave Bernard for sending us the link to the click-sensitive map of
the town of Cesky Krumlov.
The Cesky Krumlov Jewish community had an imposing synagogue, designed by
architect Kafka. You can see photos of the synagogue and some details at
http://www.ckrumlov.cz/uk/mesto/histor/i_synmck.htm .
A few years ago my wife and I visited the once beautiful and now abandoned
synagogue, situated in the SE part of the town.
I wonder whether anyone may know anything about architect Kafka.
Uri Meretz


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech The Cesky Krumlov Synagogue #austria-czech

meretz
 

Thank you Dave Bernard for sending us the link to the click-sensitive map of
the town of Cesky Krumlov.
The Cesky Krumlov Jewish community had an imposing synagogue, designed by
architect Kafka. You can see photos of the synagogue and some details at
http://www.ckrumlov.cz/uk/mesto/histor/i_synmck.htm .
A few years ago my wife and I visited the once beautiful and now abandoned
synagogue, situated in the SE part of the town.
I wonder whether anyone may know anything about architect Kafka.
Uri Meretz


FW: SQUARENINA - Hebrew typesetter in Vienna #austria-czech

Peter Barber <peter_barber@...>
 

I don't know whether this is of any use to Tomer Brunner, but one of my late
father's patients was one S. Squarenina, who must have been born in about
1890, and served in the Austrian forces during WW1. He spent his later
years in North London (Willesden, I think) and I remember him as an elderly
man with a very upright military bearing who to his dying day (I think in
the early 1980s) was a loyal subject of the Habsburgs: as I write this I
have in front of me a photograph that he took of Kaiser Karl on 25 October
1917 when he was visiting the 4th Army Corps at a hamlet 18 km North East of
Gorizia on the second day of the Battle of Caporetto. The detailed
description is signed S. Squarenina, whose shadow taking the photo is to be
seen at the foot of the photo. Could he perhaps have been a distant cousin
of Tomer's? If I remember correctly he was married but childless.

Peter Barber
London

Searching for BONDI (Dobris), FLANDERAK (Velke Mezerici), WOLFENSTEIN (Velke
Mezerici), MINKUS (Velke Mezerici), SCHLESINGER (Hranice and Gross
Waltersdorf), LEDERER (Busovice near Plzen), KAFKA (Drhovle/Wondrichov),
GANSEL (Uherske Brod).

------ Forwarded Message

Tomer Brunner writes: My g-g-g-g-grandfather, Michael
SQUARENINA (1774-1870), born and buried in Nadasch,
was a Hebrew typesetter, and worked for the famous
printer Anton Edler von SCHMID in Pressburg
(Bratislava, Slovakia) and in Vienna. Tomer then asks
where he might find books typeset by Michael and
published by Anton SCHMID.
snip>>>>>


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech FW: SQUARENINA - Hebrew typesetter in Vienna #austria-czech

Peter Barber <peter_barber@...>
 

I don't know whether this is of any use to Tomer Brunner, but one of my late
father's patients was one S. Squarenina, who must have been born in about
1890, and served in the Austrian forces during WW1. He spent his later
years in North London (Willesden, I think) and I remember him as an elderly
man with a very upright military bearing who to his dying day (I think in
the early 1980s) was a loyal subject of the Habsburgs: as I write this I
have in front of me a photograph that he took of Kaiser Karl on 25 October
1917 when he was visiting the 4th Army Corps at a hamlet 18 km North East of
Gorizia on the second day of the Battle of Caporetto. The detailed
description is signed S. Squarenina, whose shadow taking the photo is to be
seen at the foot of the photo. Could he perhaps have been a distant cousin
of Tomer's? If I remember correctly he was married but childless.

Peter Barber
London

Searching for BONDI (Dobris), FLANDERAK (Velke Mezerici), WOLFENSTEIN (Velke
Mezerici), MINKUS (Velke Mezerici), SCHLESINGER (Hranice and Gross
Waltersdorf), LEDERER (Busovice near Plzen), KAFKA (Drhovle/Wondrichov),
GANSEL (Uherske Brod).

------ Forwarded Message

Tomer Brunner writes: My g-g-g-g-grandfather, Michael
SQUARENINA (1774-1870), born and buried in Nadasch,
was a Hebrew typesetter, and worked for the famous
printer Anton Edler von SCHMID in Pressburg
(Bratislava, Slovakia) and in Vienna. Tomer then asks
where he might find books typeset by Michael and
published by Anton SCHMID.
snip>>>>>


lying on records #austria-czech

Irene Newhouse <einew@...>
 

People did what they could to survive!

I have a document written in green ink in which an official of the Russian
Orthodox Church in Paris swore that my father's cousin was Russian Orthodox
& that he personally knew her parents as diligent practioners. NOT!
There's 2 pages on his letterhead, one in French, & one in Russian. I have
no idea how many of these he wrote & what the survival rate was. But my
father's cousin did make it to Cuba & >from there to the US.

One of the most notorious examples is Erhard Milch, an official in the
Luftwaffe, about whom his mother wrote that all her children were sired by
her non-Jewish uncle. In his case, yes it definitely worked.

Irene Newhouse
Kihei HI


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech lying on records #austria-czech

Irene Newhouse <einew@...>
 

People did what they could to survive!

I have a document written in green ink in which an official of the Russian
Orthodox Church in Paris swore that my father's cousin was Russian Orthodox
& that he personally knew her parents as diligent practioners. NOT!
There's 2 pages on his letterhead, one in French, & one in Russian. I have
no idea how many of these he wrote & what the survival rate was. But my
father's cousin did make it to Cuba & >from there to the US.

One of the most notorious examples is Erhard Milch, an official in the
Luftwaffe, about whom his mother wrote that all her children were sired by
her non-Jewish uncle. In his case, yes it definitely worked.

Irene Newhouse
Kihei HI


Anton Edler von SCHMID and the IKG Library, Vienna, #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

I am ashamed to say I have never set foot in the IKG
library in Vienna. It is, by all accounts, but a
shadow of its former glory.

I suspect my great-grandfather Albert KOHN, born
Grossbock, Bohemia, October 1832 - who lived at No 5
Seitenstettengasse with his wife Emma nee BIACH and
his family of five children until his untimely death
in Oct. 1874 - must have been a regular visitor to the
library situated at first at No 4, just opposite his
home.

This is still the site of the IKG and Stadt Tempel,
Vienna today.

My gt-grandfather probably popped into the library
every day for a browse amongst the amazing and growing
collection and also for a chat with the scholarly
librarian Leopold BREUER and then with his successor,
Samuel HAMMERSCHLAG. My gt-grandfather did not live to
see the library under the custodianship of the famous
Bernhard WACHSTEIN after 1904. Moses RATH succeeded
WACHSTEIN after his death in 1935. [see footnote for
genealogical details].

If you spend any time reading this fascinating account
of the library you will see what a magnificent and
priceless collection it must have been. The Nazi plans
to loot this library were on par with their plans to
steal art works and to house them in their *Houses of
Culture*. Parts of the library were found in a railway
siding in N. Bohemia after WW2. How can this loss ever
be restituted? Where are the book today?

Before the mid 1800s, no Jewish printer in Vienna was
allowed to print Hebrew religious books; Anton SCHMID
[a non-Jew] had this concession and his books formed
the nucleus of the library. He himself donated them to
the fledgling library in 1814.

There is no point summarising the plans the Nazis had
for this library and the frantic search for its lost
books. I urge you to spend time reading this excellent
review. Print it out and read it at leisure and read
the footnotes too - you will be shocked:
"The Jewish Community Library in Vienna - from
Dispersion and Destruction to Partial Restoration" by
Richard Hacken

http://tinyurl.co.uk/25zw - HTML version

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~wessweb/LBI47-10-Hacken.pdf
- PDF file

One paraqraph particularly struck me and it refers to
Adolf Eichmann's role in this plunder.

Tomer Brunner may find a clue here as to where his
gggg grandfather's [Michael SQUARENINA] works ended
up. It is possible that Michael actually printed and
published books in Pressburg but that they were
distributed "under the label" of Anton Schmid in
Vienna ie Schmid subcontracted the work to SQUARENINA
in Pressburg. Tomer tells us that some of the book
indeed bear the imprint of Michael SQUARENINA.

I was fascinated to discover that No 5
Seitenstettengasse was also the the office {and
perhaps the home?} of Josef SCHLESINGER, another
famous Jewish publisher in Vienna and Budapest. I
presume that by the time SCHLESINGER was active, the
restrictions on Jewish publishers/printers in Vienna
had been lifted [probably post-1848]. Many SCHLESINGER
prayer and related religious books can be found on a
well-known book site on the internet. The earliest I
have found by Jos. Schlesinger was 1857 and latest in
1937. Tragically, the end of the business was probably
in 1938 after the Anschluss. I know nothing, as yet,
about this family.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Footnote: IKG Library - Genealogical and Cultural
Cross Links:
Dr Josef BREUER, the son of Leopold BREUER [see above]
was the teacher of Sigmund FREUD. Josef BREUER's
daughter Bertha, named after her grandmother Bertha
SEMLER, married Paul HAMMERSCHLAG, the son of Samuel
HAMMERSCHLAG [see above] and Betti JOSEPHSON from
Berlin. So now we see that the first and second
librarians of the IKG library are related to each
other through marriage.

All link onto *my BIACH* tree [see above] through
cross-links as the daughter of Paul HAMMERSCHLAG and
Bertha BREUER married Rudi DUSCHNITZ - my mother's
second cousin. What does this prove? That all this
circle of people knew each other in Vienna! QED


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Anton Edler von SCHMID and the IKG Library, Vienna, #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

I am ashamed to say I have never set foot in the IKG
library in Vienna. It is, by all accounts, but a
shadow of its former glory.

I suspect my great-grandfather Albert KOHN, born
Grossbock, Bohemia, October 1832 - who lived at No 5
Seitenstettengasse with his wife Emma nee BIACH and
his family of five children until his untimely death
in Oct. 1874 - must have been a regular visitor to the
library situated at first at No 4, just opposite his
home.

This is still the site of the IKG and Stadt Tempel,
Vienna today.

My gt-grandfather probably popped into the library
every day for a browse amongst the amazing and growing
collection and also for a chat with the scholarly
librarian Leopold BREUER and then with his successor,
Samuel HAMMERSCHLAG. My gt-grandfather did not live to
see the library under the custodianship of the famous
Bernhard WACHSTEIN after 1904. Moses RATH succeeded
WACHSTEIN after his death in 1935. [see footnote for
genealogical details].

If you spend any time reading this fascinating account
of the library you will see what a magnificent and
priceless collection it must have been. The Nazi plans
to loot this library were on par with their plans to
steal art works and to house them in their *Houses of
Culture*. Parts of the library were found in a railway
siding in N. Bohemia after WW2. How can this loss ever
be restituted? Where are the book today?

Before the mid 1800s, no Jewish printer in Vienna was
allowed to print Hebrew religious books; Anton SCHMID
[a non-Jew] had this concession and his books formed
the nucleus of the library. He himself donated them to
the fledgling library in 1814.

There is no point summarising the plans the Nazis had
for this library and the frantic search for its lost
books. I urge you to spend time reading this excellent
review. Print it out and read it at leisure and read
the footnotes too - you will be shocked:
"The Jewish Community Library in Vienna - from
Dispersion and Destruction to Partial Restoration" by
Richard Hacken

http://tinyurl.co.uk/25zw - HTML version

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~wessweb/LBI47-10-Hacken.pdf
- PDF file

One paraqraph particularly struck me and it refers to
Adolf Eichmann's role in this plunder.

Tomer Brunner may find a clue here as to where his
gggg grandfather's [Michael SQUARENINA] works ended
up. It is possible that Michael actually printed and
published books in Pressburg but that they were
distributed "under the label" of Anton Schmid in
Vienna ie Schmid subcontracted the work to SQUARENINA
in Pressburg. Tomer tells us that some of the book
indeed bear the imprint of Michael SQUARENINA.

I was fascinated to discover that No 5
Seitenstettengasse was also the the office {and
perhaps the home?} of Josef SCHLESINGER, another
famous Jewish publisher in Vienna and Budapest. I
presume that by the time SCHLESINGER was active, the
restrictions on Jewish publishers/printers in Vienna
had been lifted [probably post-1848]. Many SCHLESINGER
prayer and related religious books can be found on a
well-known book site on the internet. The earliest I
have found by Jos. Schlesinger was 1857 and latest in
1937. Tragically, the end of the business was probably
in 1938 after the Anschluss. I know nothing, as yet,
about this family.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Footnote: IKG Library - Genealogical and Cultural
Cross Links:
Dr Josef BREUER, the son of Leopold BREUER [see above]
was the teacher of Sigmund FREUD. Josef BREUER's
daughter Bertha, named after her grandmother Bertha
SEMLER, married Paul HAMMERSCHLAG, the son of Samuel
HAMMERSCHLAG [see above] and Betti JOSEPHSON from
Berlin. So now we see that the first and second
librarians of the IKG library are related to each
other through marriage.

All link onto *my BIACH* tree [see above] through
cross-links as the daughter of Paul HAMMERSCHLAG and
Bertha BREUER married Rudi DUSCHNITZ - my mother's
second cousin. What does this prove? That all this
circle of people knew each other in Vienna! QED


Re: Lying about paternity to protect offspring in 1930s #austria-czech

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Peter and all,

You wouldn't believe the things Jews did to protect themselves and
their families. Besides non-forced conversions, which for a certain
time offered a given degree of immunity against deportations, people
did extraordinary things, such as "plastic surgeries" to reconstruct boys'
foreskins. I don't know how successful these surgeries were but I am
certain that they were done. Why? Because the first thing the
Nazi/Gestapo bastards did on a razia was to take down the men's pants
and examine their genitals.

An episode in question, that happened to me and my family: my parents and
I were escaping >from the Nazi forces and travelled by train, which was
always a very risky thing to do. On one station, a Gestapo razia was in
progress. Fearing for my life, my parents tried to hide me somehow.
In one of the waiting rooms was a coal stove, not functioning. Although it
was a very narrow space to hide a 7 years old boy, my parents stick me in
and I stayed there for over two hours, compressed as a sardine inside a can.

You ask if trying to save offsprings worked? Sometimes it did, sometimes
it didn't. It depended on many circumstances - the old saying of
"being in the right place at the right time" or vice-versa applies.

So yes, I would definitively believe the story you were told. What seems
a bit strange is that the young man was accepted in the German air force.
As far as I know, half Jews (one parent Jew) and even a quarter Jew
(one of the grandparents being a Jew) were all classified by the Nazis as
"mischlingen" (mixed breed) and all Jewish laws, of course including
deportation, applied to them.

Regards
Tom

Subject: Lying about paternity to protect offspring in 1930s
From: "peter bakos" <pgbakos@...>
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:07:44 +0000
Hi,

I would rather not name names here.

Somebody showed me a letter sent by an ancestor to the appropriate officials
in Vienna in 1938 declaring that her son was the result of a liaison with
another man, not her husband. Her husband was Jewish the other man Aryan.

The person writing the letter was Jewish. The son indeed "passed" and was
in the German airforce during the war. His letters home indicate he was
given distateful duties because of his "half" status. He was killed during
bombardment on the Russian front.

Did people do this to try to"save" their offspirng? Did it work?

Thanks
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@...>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech re: Lying about paternity to protect offspring in 1930s #austria-czech

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Peter and all,

You wouldn't believe the things Jews did to protect themselves and
their families. Besides non-forced conversions, which for a certain
time offered a given degree of immunity against deportations, people
did extraordinary things, such as "plastic surgeries" to reconstruct boys'
foreskins. I don't know how successful these surgeries were but I am
certain that they were done. Why? Because the first thing the
Nazi/Gestapo bastards did on a razia was to take down the men's pants
and examine their genitals.

An episode in question, that happened to me and my family: my parents and
I were escaping >from the Nazi forces and travelled by train, which was
always a very risky thing to do. On one station, a Gestapo razia was in
progress. Fearing for my life, my parents tried to hide me somehow.
In one of the waiting rooms was a coal stove, not functioning. Although it
was a very narrow space to hide a 7 years old boy, my parents stick me in
and I stayed there for over two hours, compressed as a sardine inside a can.

You ask if trying to save offsprings worked? Sometimes it did, sometimes
it didn't. It depended on many circumstances - the old saying of
"being in the right place at the right time" or vice-versa applies.

So yes, I would definitively believe the story you were told. What seems
a bit strange is that the young man was accepted in the German air force.
As far as I know, half Jews (one parent Jew) and even a quarter Jew
(one of the grandparents being a Jew) were all classified by the Nazis as
"mischlingen" (mixed breed) and all Jewish laws, of course including
deportation, applied to them.

Regards
Tom

Subject: Lying about paternity to protect offspring in 1930s
From: "peter bakos" <pgbakos@...>
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:07:44 +0000
Hi,

I would rather not name names here.

Somebody showed me a letter sent by an ancestor to the appropriate officials
in Vienna in 1938 declaring that her son was the result of a liaison with
another man, not her husband. Her husband was Jewish the other man Aryan.

The person writing the letter was Jewish. The son indeed "passed" and was
in the German airforce during the war. His letters home indicate he was
given distateful duties because of his "half" status. He was killed during
bombardment on the Russian front.

Did people do this to try to"save" their offspirng? Did it work?

Thanks
Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@...>
Sao Paulo - Brazil


Fw: lying about paternity #austria-czech

michal <mbeer@...>
 

In my native town Prostejov, mrs. Goldreich a Jewish husbands` aryan wife
proclaimed that both her children were not her husbands`. Their surname was
changed >from Goldreich to their mothers` Czech maiden name.
Never the less 17 years old Trude came to Ghetto Terezin with us, her
younger brother arrived later, when he was 14. Both survived. May be that
Trude was not sent to "the east", because of her mothers` deed.
Maud Beer.


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Fw: lying about paternity #austria-czech

michal <mbeer@...>
 

In my native town Prostejov, mrs. Goldreich a Jewish husbands` aryan wife
proclaimed that both her children were not her husbands`. Their surname was
changed >from Goldreich to their mothers` Czech maiden name.
Never the less 17 years old Trude came to Ghetto Terezin with us, her
younger brother arrived later, when he was 14. Both survived. May be that
Trude was not sent to "the east", because of her mothers` deed.
Maud Beer.


Pressburg Yeshiva #rabbinic

Meriam Haringman <meriamharingman@...>
 

I have a photo of the students >from the Pressburg Yeshiva >from 1936.
The names are listed with the photo.

M.Haringman-Goitein


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Pressburg Yeshiva #rabbinic

Meriam Haringman <meriamharingman@...>
 

I have a photo of the students >from the Pressburg Yeshiva >from 1936.
The names are listed with the photo.

M.Haringman-Goitein


Romanian names.... #romania

Rosanne Leeson <rdleeson@...>
 

In response to the question posted here regarding Romanian names I can
only report what my viewing of many records >from Romania can reveal.

1 - The Romanian word for "son" is correctly Copil. The "sin" in "x
sin y" was purely used by the Jews, though I am not knowledgeable
enough to state that it derived >from the Yiddish

2 - The taking of hereditary family names was not a requirement in
Romania until the 1870's, and >from the many records I have seen many
apparently used both, on and off, as the spirit or occasion moved
them. Many contined to use the patronym until close to WWI. There
seems to be no rule about this. Others only took a hereditary family
name when emigrating to the US.

3 - As to the names in the Tabele Barbitalor, The only answer is
probably that in that area most preferred to use the patronym.

Rosanne Leeson


Re.Romanian Jewish Names #romania

Steven Emanuel <steven.emanuel@...>
 

Dear ROM-siggers

I have noted the correspondence re. Romanian names being x sin y. My
maternal G-father's birth certificate lists his parents as Julius vel Joel
Beiner and Bertha vel Brane, born Nathan, both of Succeava. What does the
'vel' signify? If anyone can help it would be much appreciated.


Steven Emanuel, Blackwater UK

Researching: EMANUEL, Obrigheim/Phalz LOEWENSTEIN, Mainz/Rhein BEINER,
Succeava/Bukovinia STEINER, Opava/Czechoslovakia


Romania SIG #Romania Romanian names.... #romania

Rosanne Leeson <rdleeson@...>
 

In response to the question posted here regarding Romanian names I can
only report what my viewing of many records >from Romania can reveal.

1 - The Romanian word for "son" is correctly Copil. The "sin" in "x
sin y" was purely used by the Jews, though I am not knowledgeable
enough to state that it derived >from the Yiddish

2 - The taking of hereditary family names was not a requirement in
Romania until the 1870's, and >from the many records I have seen many
apparently used both, on and off, as the spirit or occasion moved
them. Many contined to use the patronym until close to WWI. There
seems to be no rule about this. Others only took a hereditary family
name when emigrating to the US.

3 - As to the names in the Tabele Barbitalor, The only answer is
probably that in that area most preferred to use the patronym.

Rosanne Leeson


Romania SIG #Romania Re.Romanian Jewish Names #romania

Steven Emanuel <steven.emanuel@...>
 

Dear ROM-siggers

I have noted the correspondence re. Romanian names being x sin y. My
maternal G-father's birth certificate lists his parents as Julius vel Joel
Beiner and Bertha vel Brane, born Nathan, both of Succeava. What does the
'vel' signify? If anyone can help it would be much appreciated.


Steven Emanuel, Blackwater UK

Researching: EMANUEL, Obrigheim/Phalz LOEWENSTEIN, Mainz/Rhein BEINER,
Succeava/Bukovinia STEINER, Opava/Czechoslovakia


Latke traditions and genealogy #belarus

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
 

For those who may have missed it, there is a great
latke tradition thread going on JRI-P. As a Belarus
researcher, I am wondering about the latke food
traditions in our Belarus-origin families.

In my grandmother's house, they were very thin and
crispy and although sour cream or applesauce was
available, I liked them plain.
A few years ago, I was at a latke party where people
sprinkled sugar on them and now I like them that way.

I'm also planning to do an article (a compendium of
traditions >from various communities) on
gen-and-latkes, so if you'd like to be included in
this, please contact me privately, with your name,
where you live, the towns >from which your family/ies
originate/s, and the traditions observed in your
family.

With best wishes
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
schelly@...

MODERATOR NOTE: Private replies please.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Latke traditions and genealogy #belarus

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
 

For those who may have missed it, there is a great
latke tradition thread going on JRI-P. As a Belarus
researcher, I am wondering about the latke food
traditions in our Belarus-origin families.

In my grandmother's house, they were very thin and
crispy and although sour cream or applesauce was
available, I liked them plain.
A few years ago, I was at a latke party where people
sprinkled sugar on them and now I like them that way.

I'm also planning to do an article (a compendium of
traditions >from various communities) on
gen-and-latkes, so if you'd like to be included in
this, please contact me privately, with your name,
where you live, the towns >from which your family/ies
originate/s, and the traditions observed in your
family.

With best wishes
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
schelly@...

MODERATOR NOTE: Private replies please.