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Re: Origin of female name "Meimel" #general

Aubrey Jacobus <aajacobus@...>
 

Could Meimel mean "little aunt" >from Meime in Yiddish ?

Aubrey Jacobus
Lodon

On Wednesday, 27 April 2016, 2:46, "Deborah Dworski ddworski@..." wrote:

I have a female cousin whose Jewish name is Meimel. She was named after her
grandmother. She would like to know about the origin of this name, but I
haven't been able to find anything about it. I do see that there are about
thirty females with the name Meimel in the JRI-Poland Database, so it's not
unique, though it does seem rather unusual. Maybe it's a nickname, and I'm
just not making a mental association with the formal name?

Would anyone be able to help me?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Origin of female name "Meimel" #general

Aubrey Jacobus <aajacobus@...>
 

Could Meimel mean "little aunt" >from Meime in Yiddish ?

Aubrey Jacobus
Lodon

On Wednesday, 27 April 2016, 2:46, "Deborah Dworski ddworski@..." wrote:

I have a female cousin whose Jewish name is Meimel. She was named after her
grandmother. She would like to know about the origin of this name, but I
haven't been able to find anything about it. I do see that there are about
thirty females with the name Meimel in the JRI-Poland Database, so it's not
unique, though it does seem rather unusual. Maybe it's a nickname, and I'm
just not making a mental association with the formal name?

Would anyone be able to help me?


(US-NYC) The NY City Department of Health Requires NY Public Library to Remove Birth and Death Indexes #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The New York City Department of Health has required the New York Public
Library to remove the post-1909 NYC birth indexes and the post-1948 death
indexes >from the library. The indexes were on deposit >from the Board of
Health and been removed >from their collections and returned to the city in
accordance with the City's Health Code. The removal occurred today, April
26, 2016.

According to Assistant Director of the NY Public Library, Maps, Local
History and Genealogy Division, they are cleaning up their catalog records
and processing the remaining collections so the entire series is out of
service for the next week or so. I did not find any message on the Irma and
Paul Milstein Division of United States History, Local History and Genealogy
website: http://www.nypl.org/locations/divisions/milstein . However, the
listing of vital records at the NY Public Library no longer lists the post
1909 NYC birth indexes nor the post 1948 death indexes:
http://www.nypl.org/about/divisions/milstein/vital-records. Again these were
indexes not the actual records - only the indexes were available at the NY
Public Library.

The reason for this action by the NY Department of Health now, as these
records have been at the NY Public Library for many years is not
known-although there are several different theories in the rumor mill. Until
we have actual knowledge as to the true reason the Department of Health has
pulled the records now, we are not posting any reason for this. As more
information is made available, it will be posted to the IAJGS Records Access
Alert. To subscribe to the alert and to read the archives see the IAJGS
Records Access Alert archives at:
http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/private/records-access-alerts

You must be registered to access the archives. To register for the IAJGS
Records Access Alert go to:
http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/listinfo/records-access-alerts

You will receive an email response that you have to reply to or the
subscription will not be finalized. It is required to include your
organization affiliation (genealogy organization, etc.)

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

MODERATOR Note: Since there are still quite a few unknowns, this post is for
information only and is not intended to be the start of a discussion
thread.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen (US-NYC) The NY City Department of Health Requires NY Public Library to Remove Birth and Death Indexes #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The New York City Department of Health has required the New York Public
Library to remove the post-1909 NYC birth indexes and the post-1948 death
indexes >from the library. The indexes were on deposit >from the Board of
Health and been removed >from their collections and returned to the city in
accordance with the City's Health Code. The removal occurred today, April
26, 2016.

According to Assistant Director of the NY Public Library, Maps, Local
History and Genealogy Division, they are cleaning up their catalog records
and processing the remaining collections so the entire series is out of
service for the next week or so. I did not find any message on the Irma and
Paul Milstein Division of United States History, Local History and Genealogy
website: http://www.nypl.org/locations/divisions/milstein . However, the
listing of vital records at the NY Public Library no longer lists the post
1909 NYC birth indexes nor the post 1948 death indexes:
http://www.nypl.org/about/divisions/milstein/vital-records. Again these were
indexes not the actual records - only the indexes were available at the NY
Public Library.

The reason for this action by the NY Department of Health now, as these
records have been at the NY Public Library for many years is not
known-although there are several different theories in the rumor mill. Until
we have actual knowledge as to the true reason the Department of Health has
pulled the records now, we are not posting any reason for this. As more
information is made available, it will be posted to the IAJGS Records Access
Alert. To subscribe to the alert and to read the archives see the IAJGS
Records Access Alert archives at:
http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/private/records-access-alerts

You must be registered to access the archives. To register for the IAJGS
Records Access Alert go to:
http://lists.iajgs.org/mailman/listinfo/records-access-alerts

You will receive an email response that you have to reply to or the
subscription will not be finalized. It is required to include your
organization affiliation (genealogy organization, etc.)

Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

MODERATOR Note: Since there are still quite a few unknowns, this post is for
information only and is not intended to be the start of a discussion
thread.


1795 Jewish Census for Dashev, Ukraine #ukraine

bhm99@...
 

I have obtained an English translation of the 1795 Dashev, Ukraine
Jewish community census, FIRST names only of the 100 households.
It is 9 pages long & I will mail it, fax it, or send it as an
attachment to anyone interested. It might take 2-3 weeks to process.

Barney H. Miller
Newington, Ct.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine 1795 Jewish Census for Dashev, Ukraine #ukraine

bhm99@...
 

I have obtained an English translation of the 1795 Dashev, Ukraine
Jewish community census, FIRST names only of the 100 households.
It is 9 pages long & I will mail it, fax it, or send it as an
attachment to anyone interested. It might take 2-3 weeks to process.

Barney H. Miller
Newington, Ct.


Moises Chernobylsky #ukraine

Susan Shapiro
 

Does anyone have information about my great-grandfather, or his family,
Moises Chernobylsky. The information below shows either the address of
his warehouse or his home. My grandmother emigrated to the United States
in 1908; she was the eldest of 12 children. I believe she had 8 brothers.
Hr parents and brothers were alive in Kiev in 1934. I also believe the
names of 3 brothers were: (i) Semen Moiseivich Chernobylsky; (ii) Boris
Moiseivich Chernobylsky; and (iii) Mark Moiseiveich Chernobylsky. All
were drafted by the soviets and fought in WWII. I do not know the names
of her the siblings, her mother, or any uncles, aunts or cousins; but
I am sure their must have been other relatives. I'm hoping to find
relatives, and determine the fates of my great-uncles and their families.

Also, does any know of the family of my great-grandparents, Avram and
Sore Kramowski (could be Kramowoski). My grandfather, Boirs Kramowski,
his brothers David (Duvid?) Kramowski, and Harry (donâ??t know Harry's
Hebrew or Russian given name) also came >from Kiev, or the Jewish towns
surrounding the city. Please, let me know if anyone may be related to
my grandfather, Boris. All three brothers emigrated here by 1906.
My great-grandparents emigrated in 1908. Maybe they had uncles, cousins,
who remained behind.

Directory by 1913 in Kiev mentioned next owner of timber
warehouse:Chernobylskiy M. I.
and his partner Berkman S.S. ; Naberezhno-Khreshatickaya
Str., 51M. - first letter
of his nameI. - first letter
of his parent's name
Susan


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Moises Chernobylsky #ukraine

Susan Shapiro
 

Does anyone have information about my great-grandfather, or his family,
Moises Chernobylsky. The information below shows either the address of
his warehouse or his home. My grandmother emigrated to the United States
in 1908; she was the eldest of 12 children. I believe she had 8 brothers.
Hr parents and brothers were alive in Kiev in 1934. I also believe the
names of 3 brothers were: (i) Semen Moiseivich Chernobylsky; (ii) Boris
Moiseivich Chernobylsky; and (iii) Mark Moiseiveich Chernobylsky. All
were drafted by the soviets and fought in WWII. I do not know the names
of her the siblings, her mother, or any uncles, aunts or cousins; but
I am sure their must have been other relatives. I'm hoping to find
relatives, and determine the fates of my great-uncles and their families.

Also, does any know of the family of my great-grandparents, Avram and
Sore Kramowski (could be Kramowoski). My grandfather, Boirs Kramowski,
his brothers David (Duvid?) Kramowski, and Harry (donâ??t know Harry's
Hebrew or Russian given name) also came >from Kiev, or the Jewish towns
surrounding the city. Please, let me know if anyone may be related to
my grandfather, Boris. All three brothers emigrated here by 1906.
My great-grandparents emigrated in 1908. Maybe they had uncles, cousins,
who remained behind.

Directory by 1913 in Kiev mentioned next owner of timber
warehouse:Chernobylskiy M. I.
and his partner Berkman S.S. ; Naberezhno-Khreshatickaya
Str., 51M. - first letter
of his nameI. - first letter
of his parent's name
Susan


JewishGen Passover Companion #latinamerica

Groll, Avraham
 

Dear JewishGenners,

The first Passover celebration in history took place more than 3,300
years ago, marking the first anniversary of the rescue and redemption
of the Jewish people >from Egypt. Since that time, this holiday,
particularly the Seder ritual, has become a mainstay of the Jewish
people, and something that brings families together in unique ways.

At its core, the Seder stresses the importance of family, and helps
preserve Jewish history for future generations - which is what
JewishGen is dedicated to doing each and every day.

With this in mind, we are pleased to share our "JewishGen Passover
Companion," which is a collection of historical and inspirational
vignettes about Passover that are contained throughout JewishGen.

We hope that anyone reading this material will gain a better, deeper
and more personal understanding of the lives our ancestors lived,
which will, in turn, help us ensure that our own children,
grandchildren, and great-grandchildren, will likewise feel connected
and inspired by the great history of their ancestors - the entirety
of the Jewish people.

There are two ways to read the JewishGen Passover Companion. You
can download it as a PDF by visiting:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen/passovercompanion2016/PassoverCompanion2016.pdf
[http://tinyurl.com/zsvpu6j]

Or, it can be read online by visiting:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen/passovercompanion2016/passover2016.html
[http://tinyurl.com/gsj6wox]

Wishing all a happy Passover, and a Chag Kosher V'Sameach.

The JewishGen Team


SZPRYNGER from Buenos Aires #latinamerica

vangheluwe.smietan
 

Dears Genners,

If anyone knows the SZPRYNGER familys actualy in Buenos Aires, please let show to those family my "bottle into the sea" posted on Viewmate 46239. http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/responselist.asp?key=46239

Many thanks

Daniel Vangheluwe, FRANCE


Latin America #LatinAmerica JewishGen Passover Companion #latinamerica

Groll, Avraham
 

Dear JewishGenners,

The first Passover celebration in history took place more than 3,300
years ago, marking the first anniversary of the rescue and redemption
of the Jewish people >from Egypt. Since that time, this holiday,
particularly the Seder ritual, has become a mainstay of the Jewish
people, and something that brings families together in unique ways.

At its core, the Seder stresses the importance of family, and helps
preserve Jewish history for future generations - which is what
JewishGen is dedicated to doing each and every day.

With this in mind, we are pleased to share our "JewishGen Passover
Companion," which is a collection of historical and inspirational
vignettes about Passover that are contained throughout JewishGen.

We hope that anyone reading this material will gain a better, deeper
and more personal understanding of the lives our ancestors lived,
which will, in turn, help us ensure that our own children,
grandchildren, and great-grandchildren, will likewise feel connected
and inspired by the great history of their ancestors - the entirety
of the Jewish people.

There are two ways to read the JewishGen Passover Companion. You
can download it as a PDF by visiting:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen/passovercompanion2016/PassoverCompanion2016.pdf
[http://tinyurl.com/zsvpu6j]

Or, it can be read online by visiting:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen/passovercompanion2016/passover2016.html
[http://tinyurl.com/gsj6wox]

Wishing all a happy Passover, and a Chag Kosher V'Sameach.

The JewishGen Team


Latin America #LatinAmerica SZPRYNGER from Buenos Aires #latinamerica

vangheluwe.smietan
 

Dears Genners,

If anyone knows the SZPRYNGER familys actualy in Buenos Aires, please let show to those family my "bottle into the sea" posted on Viewmate 46239. http://www.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/responselist.asp?key=46239

Many thanks

Daniel Vangheluwe, FRANCE


Conference Discounts About to End #latinamerica

bounce-3134931-772964@...
 

Only a few days remain before early-registration discounts for the IAJGS
2016 conference in Seattle expire next Sunday at 11:59 p.m. PDT. On-line
registration continues through July 24, but at higher prices.

Recent developments worth mentioning, and some reminders:
Getting certified: What you need to know

If you've ever thought about turning a serious hobby in genealogy into a
profession, you can learn all about what it takes to become a certified
genealogist. See the program notes on Wednesday's workshop, BCG
Certification Workshop: Meeting Standards

The Conference offers you great opportunities for networking with possible
cousins, researchers confronting the same issues you are and more.

The program schedule is up
The preliminary program is on the Internet site
http://s4.goeshow.com/iajgs/annual/2016/program_schedule.cfm
It has some 325 events during the week - lectures, presentations, meal
events and computer workshops - nearly 250 of them hosted by a speaker or
panel.

Register now for meals and workshops
. SIG and JewishGen luncheons
. Friday night Shabbat dinners
. The Gala banquet
. Computer workshops
. Daily box lunches
See the Program Schedule for details, or read the separate pages on
http://www.iajgs2016.org/computer-workshops
and
http://www.iajgs2016.org/sigluncheons/

Register early, win a prize!
On May 15, we'll conduct a drawing to award prizes to some lucky friends who
sign up by April 30.
To be awarded:
. One-year subscription to Ancestry.com
. Autosomal DNA kit >from Ancestry.com
. One-year subscription to MyHeritage.com
. One-year subscription to Avotaynu, The International Review of Jewish
Genealogy
. FamilyFinder DNA kit >from FamilyTreeDNA.com
. One-year subscription to BackBlaze.com
. MacKiev's Family Tree Maker for Mac
. MacKiev's Family Tree Maker for PC

The fine print: Our end-of-month is at 11:59 p.m. PDT on April 30.

See details on the
https://s4.goeshow.com/iajgs/annual/2016/register_conference.cfm page.
When you're ready, look for registration links on the Conference site,
or go directly to the registration module at
https://s4.goeshow.com/iajgs/annual/2016/registration.cfm

More: http://www.iajgs2016.org/ Follow us on
https://www.facebook.com/IAJGSConference subscribe to our
http://www.iajgs2016.org/2015/07/sign-up-for-the-seattle-iajgs-2016-discussion-list/
[http://tinyurl.com/h7jb4tm]
and follow our blog at
http://www.iajgs2016.org/2015/07/subscribe-to-the-iajgs2016-blog/
And watch for the launch of our mobile Conference application. The app
will let you browse and search the list, build and update your personal
daily schedule, get in touch with other conference-goers and receive
updates about new developments and schedule changes.

Sincerely,

Janette R. Silverman
Chuck Weinstein
Phyllis Grossman
Conference co-chairs


Latin America #LatinAmerica Conference Discounts About to End #latinamerica

bounce-3134931-772964@...
 

Only a few days remain before early-registration discounts for the IAJGS
2016 conference in Seattle expire next Sunday at 11:59 p.m. PDT. On-line
registration continues through July 24, but at higher prices.

Recent developments worth mentioning, and some reminders:
Getting certified: What you need to know

If you've ever thought about turning a serious hobby in genealogy into a
profession, you can learn all about what it takes to become a certified
genealogist. See the program notes on Wednesday's workshop, BCG
Certification Workshop: Meeting Standards

The Conference offers you great opportunities for networking with possible
cousins, researchers confronting the same issues you are and more.

The program schedule is up
The preliminary program is on the Internet site
http://s4.goeshow.com/iajgs/annual/2016/program_schedule.cfm
It has some 325 events during the week - lectures, presentations, meal
events and computer workshops - nearly 250 of them hosted by a speaker or
panel.

Register now for meals and workshops
. SIG and JewishGen luncheons
. Friday night Shabbat dinners
. The Gala banquet
. Computer workshops
. Daily box lunches
See the Program Schedule for details, or read the separate pages on
http://www.iajgs2016.org/computer-workshops
and
http://www.iajgs2016.org/sigluncheons/

Register early, win a prize!
On May 15, we'll conduct a drawing to award prizes to some lucky friends who
sign up by April 30.
To be awarded:
. One-year subscription to Ancestry.com
. Autosomal DNA kit >from Ancestry.com
. One-year subscription to MyHeritage.com
. One-year subscription to Avotaynu, The International Review of Jewish
Genealogy
. FamilyFinder DNA kit >from FamilyTreeDNA.com
. One-year subscription to BackBlaze.com
. MacKiev's Family Tree Maker for Mac
. MacKiev's Family Tree Maker for PC

The fine print: Our end-of-month is at 11:59 p.m. PDT on April 30.

See details on the
https://s4.goeshow.com/iajgs/annual/2016/register_conference.cfm page.
When you're ready, look for registration links on the Conference site,
or go directly to the registration module at
https://s4.goeshow.com/iajgs/annual/2016/registration.cfm

More: http://www.iajgs2016.org/ Follow us on
https://www.facebook.com/IAJGSConference subscribe to our
http://www.iajgs2016.org/2015/07/sign-up-for-the-seattle-iajgs-2016-discussion-list/
[http://tinyurl.com/h7jb4tm]
and follow our blog at
http://www.iajgs2016.org/2015/07/subscribe-to-the-iajgs2016-blog/
And watch for the launch of our mobile Conference application. The app
will let you browse and search the list, build and update your personal
daily schedule, get in touch with other conference-goers and receive
updates about new developments and schedule changes.

Sincerely,

Janette R. Silverman
Chuck Weinstein
Phyllis Grossman
Conference co-chairs


JGS of Greater Philadelphia April 2016 Meeting **in May** #general

Lois Sernoff
 

Because of weather related postponements we are holding our April meeting on
**May 1, 2016** (our actual May meeting will held on May 22, 2016)

Date: May 1, 2016
Time: 1:30 PM
Place: Temple Adath Israel
250 No. Highland Avenue
Merion Station, PA
Speaker: Tammy A. Hepps, founder of Treelines.com, a family story sharing
website
Topic: Reconstructing Small-Town Jewish Communities in America: A Case Study

Tammy A. Hepps is a past winner of the RootsTech Developer Challenge. With
fifteen years of experience in digital media and more than two decades in
genealogy, she brings a fresh perspective on combining creative research,
cutting-edge technology, and meaningful storytelling to make family history
more engaging. This past spring she presented her current research into the
Jewish community of one of her ancestral towns, documented at
HomesteadHebrews.com, at the Library of Congress.

While the history of the American Jewish community remains largely an urban
one, most of us have at least one branch >from a small town. Though these
places may seem harder to research for being relatively unknown, they
actually pose a unique opportunity for family historians to understand our
ancestors in the context of their communities. This talk will review research
approaches for understanding your ancestral small town, as well as concrete
steps descendants can take to ensure these communities aren't lost to history.
Along the way you'll hear lots of memorable and surprising stories of what
life was like for the minority of Jewish immigrants who became Americans far
from the safety of the urban cultural centers.
Mentors will be available >from 1:00-1:30 PM to help with your research efforts.

JGSGP website http://www.jgsgp.org is now available with latest news, upcoming
meeting notices, and links to Philadelphia resources.

We can also be found on Facebook.

Please note that JGSGP has a Speaker's Bureau which is available to local groups
on the various subjects concerning genealogy.

Lois Sernoff [JGS Greater Philadelphia]
<JGLois@...>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS of Greater Philadelphia April 2016 Meeting **in May** #general

Lois Sernoff
 

Because of weather related postponements we are holding our April meeting on
**May 1, 2016** (our actual May meeting will held on May 22, 2016)

Date: May 1, 2016
Time: 1:30 PM
Place: Temple Adath Israel
250 No. Highland Avenue
Merion Station, PA
Speaker: Tammy A. Hepps, founder of Treelines.com, a family story sharing
website
Topic: Reconstructing Small-Town Jewish Communities in America: A Case Study

Tammy A. Hepps is a past winner of the RootsTech Developer Challenge. With
fifteen years of experience in digital media and more than two decades in
genealogy, she brings a fresh perspective on combining creative research,
cutting-edge technology, and meaningful storytelling to make family history
more engaging. This past spring she presented her current research into the
Jewish community of one of her ancestral towns, documented at
HomesteadHebrews.com, at the Library of Congress.

While the history of the American Jewish community remains largely an urban
one, most of us have at least one branch >from a small town. Though these
places may seem harder to research for being relatively unknown, they
actually pose a unique opportunity for family historians to understand our
ancestors in the context of their communities. This talk will review research
approaches for understanding your ancestral small town, as well as concrete
steps descendants can take to ensure these communities aren't lost to history.
Along the way you'll hear lots of memorable and surprising stories of what
life was like for the minority of Jewish immigrants who became Americans far
from the safety of the urban cultural centers.
Mentors will be available >from 1:00-1:30 PM to help with your research efforts.

JGSGP website http://www.jgsgp.org is now available with latest news, upcoming
meeting notices, and links to Philadelphia resources.

We can also be found on Facebook.

Please note that JGSGP has a Speaker's Bureau which is available to local groups
on the various subjects concerning genealogy.

Lois Sernoff [JGS Greater Philadelphia]
<JGLois@...>


Re: Hungarian Telephone Directory #hungary

gcsanadi@...
 

Dear Renato,
here you can find old telephone directories for Budapest:

http://adtplus.arcanum.hu/hu/collection/Postamuzeum_Telefonkonyv/

"The Postal Museum has a rich collection of objects, photographs related =
to the post office, the Telegraph and telephony (and later the radio, =
television) in addition to the story, with its unique collection of =
books, among others. These include not only technical aspects of the =
exciting history of phone books, which provide economic and social life =
of a period of kind of a cross section of the well. Family history =
researchers study the benefits as well. =46rom these unique documents =
when we publish a bunch now: publication of the 1906, 1912, 1913, 1914, =
1917, 1920, 1942 and 1943 years and out of Budapest telephone list =
contains the names and professional.

Volume: 6 thousand pages


Best wishes,
Gabor Csanadi


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Hungarian Telephone Directory #hungary

gcsanadi@...
 

Dear Renato,
here you can find old telephone directories for Budapest:

http://adtplus.arcanum.hu/hu/collection/Postamuzeum_Telefonkonyv/

"The Postal Museum has a rich collection of objects, photographs related =
to the post office, the Telegraph and telephony (and later the radio, =
television) in addition to the story, with its unique collection of =
books, among others. These include not only technical aspects of the =
exciting history of phone books, which provide economic and social life =
of a period of kind of a cross section of the well. Family history =
researchers study the benefits as well. =46rom these unique documents =
when we publish a bunch now: publication of the 1906, 1912, 1913, 1914, =
1917, 1920, 1942 and 1943 years and out of Budapest telephone list =
contains the names and professional.

Volume: 6 thousand pages


Best wishes,
Gabor Csanadi


Re: telephone directory in budapest #hungary

Peter Absolon
 

You can browse and search some of the directories here:

http://library.hungaricana.hu/en/collection/fszek_budapesti_czim_es_lakasjegyzek/

On 25 April 2016 at 19:57, Renato Mannheimer renato@...
<h-sig@...> wrote:
Is there a website where old telephone directories for budapest are listed?
Thank you for help

Renato Mannheimer
Italy


Budapest Telephone Directory #hungary

pinardpr@...
 

Dear H-Sig,

Renato Mannheimer asked about an on-line site with Budapest telephone directories.

I don't know of any such site on-line apart >from this one on archive.org, which is for the Hungarian telephone network outside of Budapest, however:

https://archive.org/details/AVidekiHalozatokBeturendesTavbeszeloNevsora1943


It seems to have all the pages, but it is not easy to use, as they are listed in bunches and the names of the bunches do not follow each other logically.

I own a directory for Budapest >from 1943 and another for the rest of the country >from 1942. Judging by the names, Jewish businesses and people are still clearly listed in both of those.

I would be happy to look someone or something up in them for anyone, if the publishing dates are relevant to your search.

Chag sameach and all the best,

Rick Pinard
Prague

83421 - 83440 of 669761