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Looking for "Brusilovsky" family #ukraine

myriamb2002@...
 

I want to know people with Brusilovsky surname. It
seems to be that all Brusilovskys came >from Kiev. I
live in Mendoza, Argentina.

Myriam Brusilovsky
<myriamb2002@yahoo.com.ar>

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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Looking for "Brusilovsky" family #ukraine

myriamb2002@...
 

I want to know people with Brusilovsky surname. It
seems to be that all Brusilovskys came >from Kiev. I
live in Mendoza, Argentina.

Myriam Brusilovsky
<myriamb2002@yahoo.com.ar>

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Intro to Jewish Genealogy, Center for Jewish History, NYC #general

inwood@...
 

The Center for Jewish History Genealogy Institute
Fall 2004 Workshop Schedule

[Please excuse cross-posting to multiple lists]

Introduction to Jewish Genealogy
11:00 am - 12:30 pm
October 12
November 11
December 8

A one-hour presentation covers general principles and procedures of family history
research, with ample time allowed for questions and answers. Beginning steps
include oral history, "family archives" containing treasured photographs and
documents, and selected Internet sites. Most information, however, must still be
gleaned >from source documents such as the US census, immigration and naturalization
papers, vital records, cemetery and funeral home records, newspapers, city
directories, and telephone books. Special topics to consider while searching for
relatives include the origins of Jewish surnames, language and spelling variations,
the accuracy and completeness of records, and the historical context in which
various records were created and used.

*Limited Enrollment* -- Pre-registration recommended

Center for Jewish History Box Office
15 W. 16th Street
New York, NY 10011
917-606-8200
boxoffice@cjh.org

The Center for Jewish History Genealogy Institute collaborates with the CJH
partners--the American Jewish Historical Society, the American Sephardi Federation,
the Leo Baeck Institute, the Yeshiva University Museum, and the YIVO Institute for
Jewish Research--to provide access to family history reference materials, answer
questions about family history research, orient family history researchers to the
collections at CJH, and offer programs on family history research.

Robert Friedman, Director
212-294-8318
gi@cjh.org
www.cjh.org/family/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Intro to Jewish Genealogy, Center for Jewish History, NYC #general

inwood@...
 

The Center for Jewish History Genealogy Institute
Fall 2004 Workshop Schedule

[Please excuse cross-posting to multiple lists]

Introduction to Jewish Genealogy
11:00 am - 12:30 pm
October 12
November 11
December 8

A one-hour presentation covers general principles and procedures of family history
research, with ample time allowed for questions and answers. Beginning steps
include oral history, "family archives" containing treasured photographs and
documents, and selected Internet sites. Most information, however, must still be
gleaned >from source documents such as the US census, immigration and naturalization
papers, vital records, cemetery and funeral home records, newspapers, city
directories, and telephone books. Special topics to consider while searching for
relatives include the origins of Jewish surnames, language and spelling variations,
the accuracy and completeness of records, and the historical context in which
various records were created and used.

*Limited Enrollment* -- Pre-registration recommended

Center for Jewish History Box Office
15 W. 16th Street
New York, NY 10011
917-606-8200
boxoffice@cjh.org

The Center for Jewish History Genealogy Institute collaborates with the CJH
partners--the American Jewish Historical Society, the American Sephardi Federation,
the Leo Baeck Institute, the Yeshiva University Museum, and the YIVO Institute for
Jewish Research--to provide access to family history reference materials, answer
questions about family history research, orient family history researchers to the
collections at CJH, and offer programs on family history research.

Robert Friedman, Director
212-294-8318
gi@cjh.org
www.cjh.org/family/


For our Ontario and Quebec experts #general

Diane Jacobs <kingart@...>
 

In reply to Judy McNairn e-mail below, I have used the Nova Scotia and
New Brunswick 1901 Census records extensively looking for my WEBBER
family in both places and have found many spelling errors of Jewish
names - first and last. So when looking through don't just use the
index that will be forthcoming, but go through page by page looking for
your family. I found my Jewish Webber family listed under Weba online.


You also have the option of looking through the proofed pages and then
Going to the original pages, this is very helpful if you believe that
An entry could be family. Many of the census takers and the recent
Transcribers were not family with Jewish names and there is a real
Challenge here to find family.

Diane Jacobs
New York


Also, I would like to point out that the 1901 Census is currently being
indexed and is what is completed is available at
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/NationalSummary.jsp

This is a volunteer project that anyone can assist with if they have the
time, anyone doing Canadian Research for that time period should have a
look.

Judi McNairn >>>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen For our Ontario and Quebec experts #general

Diane Jacobs <kingart@...>
 

In reply to Judy McNairn e-mail below, I have used the Nova Scotia and
New Brunswick 1901 Census records extensively looking for my WEBBER
family in both places and have found many spelling errors of Jewish
names - first and last. So when looking through don't just use the
index that will be forthcoming, but go through page by page looking for
your family. I found my Jewish Webber family listed under Weba online.


You also have the option of looking through the proofed pages and then
Going to the original pages, this is very helpful if you believe that
An entry could be family. Many of the census takers and the recent
Transcribers were not family with Jewish names and there is a real
Challenge here to find family.

Diane Jacobs
New York


Also, I would like to point out that the 1901 Census is currently being
indexed and is what is completed is available at
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/NationalSummary.jsp

This is a volunteer project that anyone can assist with if they have the
time, anyone doing Canadian Research for that time period should have a
look.

Judi McNairn >>>


Re: When Can Immigrants Change Name? #general

Joshua Levy <joshualevy@...>
 

--- Mara Fein < maraharv@msn.com> wrote:
Bottom line, for those of us who wish to find our ancestors in the
Old Country, how can we connect to the old name?
For my family, immigration and naturalization paperwork
contained the old family names. My relatives generally
changed their names when they made the court appearence
to become naturalized citizens. So at the bottom of their
court papers, there would be a little note that the court
also approved changing their names. The paperwork associated
with entering the country would have the original names from
the old country.

Joshua Levy
Researching surnames:
LEVY in San Jose, CA 1850s >from Baveria
FRANK in Albany, NY 1840s
HYMAN in San Francisco, CA 1870s

=====
Joshua Levy < joshualevy@yahoo.com >
Note: I'm having spam problems at my joshualevy@yahoo.com
address, so if that emailbox is full, try joshualevy2@hotmail.com.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: When Can Immigrants Change Name? #general

Joshua Levy <joshualevy@...>
 

--- Mara Fein < maraharv@msn.com> wrote:
Bottom line, for those of us who wish to find our ancestors in the
Old Country, how can we connect to the old name?
For my family, immigration and naturalization paperwork
contained the old family names. My relatives generally
changed their names when they made the court appearence
to become naturalized citizens. So at the bottom of their
court papers, there would be a little note that the court
also approved changing their names. The paperwork associated
with entering the country would have the original names from
the old country.

Joshua Levy
Researching surnames:
LEVY in San Jose, CA 1850s >from Baveria
FRANK in Albany, NY 1840s
HYMAN in San Francisco, CA 1870s

=====
Joshua Levy < joshualevy@yahoo.com >
Note: I'm having spam problems at my joshualevy@yahoo.com
address, so if that emailbox is full, try joshualevy2@hotmail.com.


John Sebastian HECHT #unitedkingdom

Jackye Sullins <jsullins@...>
 

What would you like >from the list? You can look up his marriage yourself in
the GRO index at your FHC library or try Free BMD. You can do that for
starters.

Jackye Sullins
San Diego


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom John Sebastian HECHT #unitedkingdom

Jackye Sullins <jsullins@...>
 

What would you like >from the list? You can look up his marriage yourself in
the GRO index at your FHC library or try Free BMD. You can do that for
starters.

Jackye Sullins
San Diego


Re: More questions about names #hungary

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz
 

Seva is probably Sheva, short for Batsheva or possibly Elisheva. Not related
to Sheindl.
Ida

Dr. Joseph M. Schwarcz
Dr. Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Tappuah 7/3, Arad
IL-89053, Israel

-----Original Message-----
From: Cohentalk@aol.com [mailto:Cohentalk@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:47 PM
To: H-SIG
Subject: [h-sig] More questions about names


Dear Members,

Sometimes, parents chose names for their babies that were another form of
their own names or so similar, that I wonder if they did this >from lack of
naming knowledge. Did the rabbis advise those parents, beforehand? I am
referring to my g gm who's name was Roza and her daughter was named Racza
and called Rotzi.

Is there any connection between the female names Seva and Sheindel?

Thanks for your help,
Linda Cohen
Michigan USA


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: More questions about names #hungary

Ida & Joseph Schwarcz
 

Seva is probably Sheva, short for Batsheva or possibly Elisheva. Not related
to Sheindl.
Ida

Dr. Joseph M. Schwarcz
Dr. Ida Selavan Schwarcz
Tappuah 7/3, Arad
IL-89053, Israel

-----Original Message-----
From: Cohentalk@aol.com [mailto:Cohentalk@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:47 PM
To: H-SIG
Subject: [h-sig] More questions about names


Dear Members,

Sometimes, parents chose names for their babies that were another form of
their own names or so similar, that I wonder if they did this >from lack of
naming knowledge. Did the rabbis advise those parents, beforehand? I am
referring to my g gm who's name was Roza and her daughter was named Racza
and called Rotzi.

Is there any connection between the female names Seva and Sheindel?

Thanks for your help,
Linda Cohen
Michigan USA


Re: More questions about names #hungary

Robert Neu
 

To my experience >from looking at countless Hungarian pre 1895 B,M,D
FHL Films as well as about 50,000 records for the 1848 census, children
having the same secular name as their parents is very common.

Go on the AHD search the records for any town and look at the result.

Robert Neu
--- Cohentalk@aol.com wrote:

Dear Members,

Sometimes, parents chose names for their babies that were another
form of their own names or so similar, that I wonder if they did this
from lack of naming knowledge. Did the rabbis advise those parents,
beforehand? I am referring to my g gm who's name was Roza and her
daughter was named Racza and called Rotzi.

Is there any connection between the female names Seva and Sheindel?

Thanks for your help,
Linda Cohen
Michigan USA


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: More questions about names #hungary

Robert Neu
 

To my experience >from looking at countless Hungarian pre 1895 B,M,D
FHL Films as well as about 50,000 records for the 1848 census, children
having the same secular name as their parents is very common.

Go on the AHD search the records for any town and look at the result.

Robert Neu
--- Cohentalk@aol.com wrote:

Dear Members,

Sometimes, parents chose names for their babies that were another
form of their own names or so similar, that I wonder if they did this
from lack of naming knowledge. Did the rabbis advise those parents,
beforehand? I am referring to my g gm who's name was Roza and her
daughter was named Racza and called Rotzi.

Is there any connection between the female names Seva and Sheindel?

Thanks for your help,
Linda Cohen
Michigan USA


Re: Learning Original Surname #ukraine

Rayvenna <rayvenna@...>
 

I'd like to make a quick correction to Doug's excellent response;
the US Archives will have the naturalization papers ONLY if the immigrant
filed in a state court (in my experience, this happened more with later
immigrants). If they filed in County court, then the county archives will
have the records.

Mindie

On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Doug Cohen wrote:
Find your immigrant ancestor's naturalization papers; they will tell
you the name under which s/he immigrated -- and the ship so that you can
find the immigration manifest.

Naturalization papers will be filed in the archives of the appropriate
court. Where did your immigrant ancestor reside? US Archives for that
area will have the naturalization papers.

Good luck.

Doug Cohen
Lexington, MA
DMC@dmcohen.com


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Learning Original Surname #ukraine

Rayvenna <rayvenna@...>
 

I'd like to make a quick correction to Doug's excellent response;
the US Archives will have the naturalization papers ONLY if the immigrant
filed in a state court (in my experience, this happened more with later
immigrants). If they filed in County court, then the county archives will
have the records.

Mindie

On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Doug Cohen wrote:
Find your immigrant ancestor's naturalization papers; they will tell
you the name under which s/he immigrated -- and the ship so that you can
find the immigration manifest.

Naturalization papers will be filed in the archives of the appropriate
court. Where did your immigrant ancestor reside? US Archives for that
area will have the naturalization papers.

Good luck.

Doug Cohen
Lexington, MA
DMC@dmcohen.com


Re: Learning Original Surname #ukraine

Rayvenna <rayvenna@...>
 

Cheri,
The "my name was changed at Ellis Island" story is almost always a myth.
There were frequently mistakes and mispellings, but the name was never
changed since they copied the name directly >from the ship manifest.
There are several ways to discover a "real" name.
1. Look at the ship manifest. If they definitely came through Ellis
Island, then the manifest an be read online. The easiest way to search it
is with Steve Morse's wonderful tools at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/EIDB/. Once you find the family, I
strongly suggest shelling out the money to order a large paper copy from
Ellis Island. The large print makes names blurry details come out really
well; it's definitely worth it.
2. Look at the naturalization papers. These sometimes have original
names and can give you information on finding the ship manifest if they
did not immigrate through Ellis Island.
3. If they came through Canada, look at the Canadian Board Crossing
lists. Those can be found at the National Archives (of America).
4. Look at the Hamburg database. A lot of Immigrants came through there;
I've had success particularly with ancestors who passed through England on
their way to america:
http://www.linktoyourroots.hamburg.de/index/1,2709,JGdlbz0zJG9rPTE5MTA1JHVrPSQ_,00.html
5. Look at voter registration records in the county where the ancestor
settled. If the person changed their name as a part of obtaining
citizenship, then it will be recorded in the citizenship papers. However,
some immigrants had their names legally changed AFTER becomming citizens.
Voter records will have the name change (and better yet, information on
where the name change was recorded) on the voter registration card.
6. Trace your ancestor through the U.S. Census records. The originally
name was usually (but not always) something similar to the Americanized
version. If you have a large immigrant family, you can frequently use the
children, parents first names, and place of origin to find the original
name in the census once they "disappear" with the Americanized name. If
you're searching the census with ancestory.com, please keep in mind that
their indexing has large holes in it. You may want to check the soundex
at NARA (the US National Archives).
7. Trace your ancestor through city directories. This is definitely an
overlooked resource. Sometimes the directory will list spouses and
working children as well as the ancestor. This can be used to trace name
changes, particularly if the Americanized version of the name is similar
to the original name. You can also match the directory occupation to the
one(s) listed in the census, giving you a year-by-year picture of the
ancestor.
Happy hunting!
Mindie
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/k/a/p/Mindie-J-Kaplan-MD/

On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 CheriUnger@aol.com wrote:
It was "Americanized" to BELOFF when they hit Ellis Island and as of
now,
they have no relationship to other Beloff's.

Can anyone give me some help in determining the original name?
Thanks,

Cheri Ungerleider
Searching: BELOFF Fastov, Ukraine


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Learning Original Surname #ukraine

Rayvenna <rayvenna@...>
 

Cheri,
The "my name was changed at Ellis Island" story is almost always a myth.
There were frequently mistakes and mispellings, but the name was never
changed since they copied the name directly >from the ship manifest.
There are several ways to discover a "real" name.
1. Look at the ship manifest. If they definitely came through Ellis
Island, then the manifest an be read online. The easiest way to search it
is with Steve Morse's wonderful tools at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/EIDB/. Once you find the family, I
strongly suggest shelling out the money to order a large paper copy from
Ellis Island. The large print makes names blurry details come out really
well; it's definitely worth it.
2. Look at the naturalization papers. These sometimes have original
names and can give you information on finding the ship manifest if they
did not immigrate through Ellis Island.
3. If they came through Canada, look at the Canadian Board Crossing
lists. Those can be found at the National Archives (of America).
4. Look at the Hamburg database. A lot of Immigrants came through there;
I've had success particularly with ancestors who passed through England on
their way to america:
http://www.linktoyourroots.hamburg.de/index/1,2709,JGdlbz0zJG9rPTE5MTA1JHVrPSQ_,00.html
5. Look at voter registration records in the county where the ancestor
settled. If the person changed their name as a part of obtaining
citizenship, then it will be recorded in the citizenship papers. However,
some immigrants had their names legally changed AFTER becomming citizens.
Voter records will have the name change (and better yet, information on
where the name change was recorded) on the voter registration card.
6. Trace your ancestor through the U.S. Census records. The originally
name was usually (but not always) something similar to the Americanized
version. If you have a large immigrant family, you can frequently use the
children, parents first names, and place of origin to find the original
name in the census once they "disappear" with the Americanized name. If
you're searching the census with ancestory.com, please keep in mind that
their indexing has large holes in it. You may want to check the soundex
at NARA (the US National Archives).
7. Trace your ancestor through city directories. This is definitely an
overlooked resource. Sometimes the directory will list spouses and
working children as well as the ancestor. This can be used to trace name
changes, particularly if the Americanized version of the name is similar
to the original name. You can also match the directory occupation to the
one(s) listed in the census, giving you a year-by-year picture of the
ancestor.
Happy hunting!
Mindie
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/k/a/p/Mindie-J-Kaplan-MD/

On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 CheriUnger@aol.com wrote:
It was "Americanized" to BELOFF when they hit Ellis Island and as of
now,
they have no relationship to other Beloff's.

Can anyone give me some help in determining the original name?
Thanks,

Cheri Ungerleider
Searching: BELOFF Fastov, Ukraine


Re: Album of the Yiddish Theatre - Nasatir #yiddish

Adelle Gloger
 

Michelle Chernikoff Anderson wrote:

"I found my great grandfather (Morris Nasatir) listed in the online index
of the Album of the Yiddish Theatre. I would love to be able to see
this. Does anyone know where I can view it in Southern California?"

A simple internet search found the book at the University of California San
Diego.
< http://libraries.ucsd.edu/ >

Perhaps it is available via inter-library loan considering that Michelle is
at the University of California Santa Barbara.

Adelle Weintraub Gloger
Cleveland, Ohio
agloger@aol.com


Yiddish Theatre and Vadeville #YiddishTheatre Re: Album of the Yiddish Theatre - Nasatir #yiddish

Adelle Gloger
 

Michelle Chernikoff Anderson wrote:

"I found my great grandfather (Morris Nasatir) listed in the online index
of the Album of the Yiddish Theatre. I would love to be able to see
this. Does anyone know where I can view it in Southern California?"

A simple internet search found the book at the University of California San
Diego.
< http://libraries.ucsd.edu/ >

Perhaps it is available via inter-library loan considering that Michelle is
at the University of California Santa Barbara.

Adelle Weintraub Gloger
Cleveland, Ohio
agloger@aol.com