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List for 2005 conference questions/answers now ready #austria-czech

Austria-Czech Coordinator <bohmor@...>
 

Dear 'genners
The mailing list for everybody interested in, or planning to attend the
July 2005 IAJGS conference in Las Vegas, Nevada is ready for
registrants. This will be the list where you can seek roommates,
information about local activities (if you can tear yourselves away >from
the lectures and the networking <g>) and ask any general questions.

To subscribe to LV2005@... please go to
http://lyris.jewishgen.org/listmanager. JewishGen no longer supports
e-mail registration for mailing lists....web only.

Carol Skydell, Vice President
JewishGen Special Projects

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech List for 2005 conference questions/answers now ready #austria-czech

Austria-Czech Coordinator <bohmor@...>
 

Dear 'genners
The mailing list for everybody interested in, or planning to attend the
July 2005 IAJGS conference in Las Vegas, Nevada is ready for
registrants. This will be the list where you can seek roommates,
information about local activities (if you can tear yourselves away >from
the lectures and the networking <g>) and ask any general questions.

To subscribe to LV2005@... please go to
http://lyris.jewishgen.org/listmanager. JewishGen no longer supports
e-mail registration for mailing lists....web only.

Carol Skydell, Vice President
JewishGen Special Projects

Re: Three missing towns.... #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Mica Salb is trying to find three towns which he
thinks are within our Austria-Czech SIG area, namely
Ungvar, Munkacs and Harczvolva/Harshvalva.

Sorry to disappoint you Mica - you are in the wrong
SIG. Historically, you may find some information about
these places in city archives situated in Bohemia or
Moravia, but as far as I can make out, you are dealing
with an area called Subcarpathian Ruthenia.

http://home.adelphia.net/~jdziak/wherefro.htm

Ungvar is now known as Uzhgorod/Uzhhorod. Munkacs, now
knwon as Mukachevo in Ukrainian has interesting
articles on Jewishgen stetl-links see:
www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Mukachevo/

I have yet to trace the third town or village.

No wonder people are confused about this area. See:
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Carpathian_Ruthenia

Uzhgorod was the capital of Czechoslovakian
"Podkarpatska" [Carpathian-Ruthenia] until 1918 and
then part of Hungary [1919 - 1938], and
Czechoslovakia [1939 - 1944] and then returned to
Hungary again [1945 - 1991] and then annexed by the
Soviet Union, but now it is in the Ukraine!

Life is too short for anyone but Carpathian-Ruthenian
historians to remember such complexities!

For some preliminary information on the Jews of that
area read:

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/History+of+the+Jews+in+Carpathian+Ruthenia

Furthermore if you look at the SIG and General
Discussion Group archives - always my first stop in
research - you will find references to the 1848 census
of Jews in Munkacs and a posting on records of the
Munkacs Gymnasia in the late 1930s. Apparently there
were two Gymnasia - one run by the Czech Government -
which allowed some Jews to attend.
A certain Jewish lady reportedly received a gold medal
from Masaryk and was destined for success when the
Hungarians took over the Carpathians from
Czecho-slovakia in 1938.

Celia Male [UK]

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: Three missing towns.... #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Mica Salb is trying to find three towns which he
thinks are within our Austria-Czech SIG area, namely
Ungvar, Munkacs and Harczvolva/Harshvalva.

Sorry to disappoint you Mica - you are in the wrong
SIG. Historically, you may find some information about
these places in city archives situated in Bohemia or
Moravia, but as far as I can make out, you are dealing
with an area called Subcarpathian Ruthenia.

http://home.adelphia.net/~jdziak/wherefro.htm

Ungvar is now known as Uzhgorod/Uzhhorod. Munkacs, now
knwon as Mukachevo in Ukrainian has interesting
articles on Jewishgen stetl-links see:
www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Mukachevo/

I have yet to trace the third town or village.

No wonder people are confused about this area. See:
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Carpathian_Ruthenia

Uzhgorod was the capital of Czechoslovakian
"Podkarpatska" [Carpathian-Ruthenia] until 1918 and
then part of Hungary [1919 - 1938], and
Czechoslovakia [1939 - 1944] and then returned to
Hungary again [1945 - 1991] and then annexed by the
Soviet Union, but now it is in the Ukraine!

Life is too short for anyone but Carpathian-Ruthenian
historians to remember such complexities!

For some preliminary information on the Jews of that
area read:

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/History+of+the+Jews+in+Carpathian+Ruthenia

Furthermore if you look at the SIG and General
Discussion Group archives - always my first stop in
research - you will find references to the 1848 census
of Jews in Munkacs and a posting on records of the
Munkacs Gymnasia in the late 1930s. Apparently there
were two Gymnasia - one run by the Czech Government -
which allowed some Jews to attend.
A certain Jewish lady reportedly received a gold medal
from Masaryk and was destined for success when the
Hungarians took over the Carpathians from
Czecho-slovakia in 1938.

Celia Male [UK]

Missing Towns #austria-czech

peter bakos <pgbakos@...>
 

Munkacs,formerly the second major town of Bereg County in Ruthenia
is now called Mukacevo and is in the Ukraine.

Ungvar, the seat of the former Ung County, which county is currently
split between the Ukraine and the Slovak Republic, is now called Uzgorod.
The third town is a mangled name, I suspect. The last part of the name
could be "falva" or "falu", the second word meaning "village" an which
is a common ending for many Hungarian places, usually preceded by
a descriptive, such as "uj" which is new, or "kis" which is small, etc.
The front part of the place name could come >from such words as
"Herceg" meaning duke or prince, or "harc" which means battle.
You may wish to find some written information about this place, or try
and find something you relative said or did that might relate to
where this is.

Peter Bakos
P.S. I am not an expert, so please do not bombard me with geography
questions. I only know enough to be a danger to myself and others.

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Missing Towns #austria-czech

peter bakos <pgbakos@...>
 

Munkacs,formerly the second major town of Bereg County in Ruthenia
is now called Mukacevo and is in the Ukraine.

Ungvar, the seat of the former Ung County, which county is currently
split between the Ukraine and the Slovak Republic, is now called Uzgorod.
The third town is a mangled name, I suspect. The last part of the name
could be "falva" or "falu", the second word meaning "village" an which
is a common ending for many Hungarian places, usually preceded by
a descriptive, such as "uj" which is new, or "kis" which is small, etc.
The front part of the place name could come >from such words as
"Herceg" meaning duke or prince, or "harc" which means battle.
You may wish to find some written information about this place, or try
and find something you relative said or did that might relate to
where this is.

Peter Bakos
P.S. I am not an expert, so please do not bombard me with geography
questions. I only know enough to be a danger to myself and others.

The missing town Munkacs.... #austria-czech

meretz
 

Re: Micah Salb searching for the town of Munkacs, and Rita Falbel's
response:
Until WWI Munkacs was Hungarian, between the World Wars it belonged to
Czechoslovakia and since 1945 the area is part of Ukrainia.
All details can be found at JewishGen' Shtetlinks:

http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:Jay-0iMpRqUJ:www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Mukachevo/+Munkacs&hl=iw

Uriel Meretz, Israel

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech The missing town Munkacs.... #austria-czech

meretz
 

Re: Micah Salb searching for the town of Munkacs, and Rita Falbel's
response:
Until WWI Munkacs was Hungarian, between the World Wars it belonged to
Czechoslovakia and since 1945 the area is part of Ukrainia.
All details can be found at JewishGen' Shtetlinks:

http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:Jay-0iMpRqUJ:www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Mukachevo/+Munkacs&hl=iw

Uriel Meretz, Israel

Looking for the names FALIK and FALIKMAN #romania

jfa2000@...
 

I am researching FALIKMAN family, and there are precious few to be found. I would love to hear >from anyone who recognizes that name, either because they are in their tree, or because they personally knew of a FALIKMAN individual. Recently I heard >from a Czernowitz-List member that she has the name Falik Falik (both given and surname) in her family tree, and that perhaps they had dropped the "man" suffix at some time; we actually had a number of naming patterns in common. Additionally, a professional researcher in Czernowitz archives informed me of a Falik Falikman. So, now I am wondering if there are any other folks searching for the name FALIK who might be willing to share information with me, as I should probably begin researching that name, too.

Jessica Attiyeh
La Jolla, California
Researching: FALIKMAN, >from Czernowitz, Yompol, Kizhnikki, Lyubar and vicinity
FALIKMAN, >from Kishinev
GROSS, and ROESSLER, >from Czernowitz and vicinity
MODERATOR NOTE: There are several reseachers listed in the JewishGen Family Finder.

Romania SIG #Romania Looking for the names FALIK and FALIKMAN #romania

jfa2000@...
 

I am researching FALIKMAN family, and there are precious few to be found. I would love to hear >from anyone who recognizes that name, either because they are in their tree, or because they personally knew of a FALIKMAN individual. Recently I heard >from a Czernowitz-List member that she has the name Falik Falik (both given and surname) in her family tree, and that perhaps they had dropped the "man" suffix at some time; we actually had a number of naming patterns in common. Additionally, a professional researcher in Czernowitz archives informed me of a Falik Falikman. So, now I am wondering if there are any other folks searching for the name FALIK who might be willing to share information with me, as I should probably begin researching that name, too.

Jessica Attiyeh
La Jolla, California
Researching: FALIKMAN, >from Czernowitz, Yompol, Kizhnikki, Lyubar and vicinity
FALIKMAN, >from Kishinev
GROSS, and ROESSLER, >from Czernowitz and vicinity
MODERATOR NOTE: There are several reseachers listed in the JewishGen Family Finder.

Re: Destruction of the Jews of Grodno 1941-1944 #belarus

David M. Fox <davefox73@...>
 

Since I posted this message, I received a response >from >from Jack Menes in
Israel who provided me with additional information:

There are in fact six volumes. The sixth volume includes a list of almost
3000 Jews who made contributions to the Jewish Kehillah in 1937. The data
include the name and address of the contributor, his profession, and the
amount he contributed. The rest of the volume has German documents and
eyewitness testimonies.

Jack recently converted the list into an Excel
spreadsheet and sent it to me. The list is originally >from the State
Archive in Grodno and was published, as we see, by the Klarsfeld Foundation.
Felix Zandman was also involved in this.

Much of the material in the book was used in war crimes trials of the German
commandants in Grodno.

Because there may be copyright issues to resolve, I am holding off putting
the database on the SIG website. before it can be put on a website.

If anyone can help me find a current address and phone number for the Beate
Klarsfeld Foundation, it might help speed up the getting the necessary
permissions so we can make this database available on the SIG website. It
appears that the Madison Ave. address in NY is not current. Please contact
me by private email.

The data in this database would be very useful to people who have families
from Grodno who might no have immigrated before the Holocaust. In addition,
it might provide the location where your families lived. For those making a
roots trip to Grodno, you might be able to use this database to find the
building where your family lived.

On Jan. 25, 2005, I wrote:
snip
found that they had the following book:
Klarsfeld, Serge, and Beate Klarsfeld Foundation. "Documents Concerning the
Destruction of the Jews of Grodno 1941-1944", New York, N.Y. (515 Madison
Ave, New York 10022): Beate Klarsfeld Foundation, 1985.

In searching the web for more information about this book, it turns out that
there are five volumes that comprise this work. The book is in German.

Has anyone seen these books and if so are there any name lists or a name
index in any of the five volumes?
--snip
Perhaps someone would be willing to report back on what they find in this
book.
Dave
--
David Fox
Mail to: davefox73@...
Belarus SIG Coordinator
Arnold, MD USA
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus

Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Destruction of the Jews of Grodno 1941-1944 #belarus

David M. Fox <davefox73@...>
 

Since I posted this message, I received a response >from >from Jack Menes in
Israel who provided me with additional information:

There are in fact six volumes. The sixth volume includes a list of almost
3000 Jews who made contributions to the Jewish Kehillah in 1937. The data
include the name and address of the contributor, his profession, and the
amount he contributed. The rest of the volume has German documents and
eyewitness testimonies.

Jack recently converted the list into an Excel
spreadsheet and sent it to me. The list is originally >from the State
Archive in Grodno and was published, as we see, by the Klarsfeld Foundation.
Felix Zandman was also involved in this.

Much of the material in the book was used in war crimes trials of the German
commandants in Grodno.

Because there may be copyright issues to resolve, I am holding off putting
the database on the SIG website. before it can be put on a website.

If anyone can help me find a current address and phone number for the Beate
Klarsfeld Foundation, it might help speed up the getting the necessary
permissions so we can make this database available on the SIG website. It
appears that the Madison Ave. address in NY is not current. Please contact
me by private email.

The data in this database would be very useful to people who have families
from Grodno who might no have immigrated before the Holocaust. In addition,
it might provide the location where your families lived. For those making a
roots trip to Grodno, you might be able to use this database to find the
building where your family lived.

On Jan. 25, 2005, I wrote:
snip
found that they had the following book:
Klarsfeld, Serge, and Beate Klarsfeld Foundation. "Documents Concerning the
Destruction of the Jews of Grodno 1941-1944", New York, N.Y. (515 Madison
Ave, New York 10022): Beate Klarsfeld Foundation, 1985.

In searching the web for more information about this book, it turns out that
there are five volumes that comprise this work. The book is in German.

Has anyone seen these books and if so are there any name lists or a name
index in any of the five volumes?
--snip
Perhaps someone would be willing to report back on what they find in this
book.
Dave
--
David Fox
Mail to: davefox73@...
Belarus SIG Coordinator
Arnold, MD USA
http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus

R' Elchanan Cohen of Kaunas #rabbinic

meir yohanah
 

Dear RavSig Group,

Does anyone have any information about Rav Elchanan Cohen of Kaunas
who was listed in the All Lithuanian Hamaggid database for 1872.

Sincerely,
Meir Yohanah

Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic R' Elchanan Cohen of Kaunas #rabbinic

meir yohanah
 

Dear RavSig Group,

Does anyone have any information about Rav Elchanan Cohen of Kaunas
who was listed in the All Lithuanian Hamaggid database for 1872.

Sincerely,
Meir Yohanah

Alien cards on movinghere.org.uk #unitedkingdom

MBernet@...
 

I think I've found the secret for finding alien cards for family members on
movinghere

Enter the family name in the search function; don't bother with asking for
"alien."

I found all those I located a few years ago--plus a few more.

Michael Bernet, New York http://www.mem-ber.net/
-------------------------------------
==Michael Bernet's book, "The Time of the Burning Sun: Six Days of War,
Twelve Weeks of Hope," an update of his earlier book on the Six-Day War of 1967
(published in 1968), is now available. It is an eyewitness account of how the war
affected Jews and Arabs in all walks of life, and corrects some frequently
presented errors: the Israelis did not lodge a war of conquest, they were
planning to relinquish the Arab areas they had unexpectedly won; the Arabs were
relieved to see the end of the harsh occupation of their lands by Egypt and
Jordan. A peace of prosperity and coexistence was eagerly anticipated by those on
either side of the divide until, twelve weeks later, that hope was dashed by a
conference of Arab states meeting in Khartoum.

=="The Longest Six Days: The Psychology of War and Peace in the Middle East,"
Dr. Bernet's latest book, explores the long and brutal Israel-Arab conflict,
from a psychological perspective, and utilizes social psychology to suggest a
possible and equitable solution for this conflict and for the larger issues of
Islamist hostility and terror aimed at more liberal faiths and countries. The
demise of Yasir Arafat has muddied the waters and calls for substantial
rewriting. It is hoped that the book can be published in February, 2005.

JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Alien cards on movinghere.org.uk #unitedkingdom

MBernet@...
 

I think I've found the secret for finding alien cards for family members on
movinghere

Enter the family name in the search function; don't bother with asking for
"alien."

I found all those I located a few years ago--plus a few more.

Michael Bernet, New York http://www.mem-ber.net/
-------------------------------------
==Michael Bernet's book, "The Time of the Burning Sun: Six Days of War,
Twelve Weeks of Hope," an update of his earlier book on the Six-Day War of 1967
(published in 1968), is now available. It is an eyewitness account of how the war
affected Jews and Arabs in all walks of life, and corrects some frequently
presented errors: the Israelis did not lodge a war of conquest, they were
planning to relinquish the Arab areas they had unexpectedly won; the Arabs were
relieved to see the end of the harsh occupation of their lands by Egypt and
Jordan. A peace of prosperity and coexistence was eagerly anticipated by those on
either side of the divide until, twelve weeks later, that hope was dashed by a
conference of Arab states meeting in Khartoum.

=="The Longest Six Days: The Psychology of War and Peace in the Middle East,"
Dr. Bernet's latest book, explores the long and brutal Israel-Arab conflict,
from a psychological perspective, and utilizes social psychology to suggest a
possible and equitable solution for this conflict and for the larger issues of
Islamist hostility and terror aimed at more liberal faiths and countries. The
demise of Yasir Arafat has muddied the waters and calls for substantial
rewriting. It is hoped that the book can be published in February, 2005.

* The "meaning" of colors (was Black aprons) #general

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

I have been following the discussion of the use of black aprons by
mourning Jewish ladies in Britain. A member of this group suggested
that the use of black color by mourners is a Christian custom. Not so.

The use of black symbolizing death originates >from the Egyptians and
later >from the Romans, who indeed wear black shrouds when mourning.
The Christians took over the Romans custom. With the time it spread
into the Americas and Europe.

Black, which in the western culture usually evokes "bad" feelings
(black is dirty, somber, related to death, rebellion, etc.), among
Egyptians was also the color of something magical. For the Egyptians,
black cats carried divine powers. These pets are depicted in many
pharaohs tombs, seemingly for that reason (to protect the deceased
from evil spirits).
In the eastern cultures the color for death is white and in Thailand
the widow wears purple robes.

Thus, the "meaning" of colors changes with cultures and among
civilizations. For those interested in this interesting subject, here
are three links:

http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0769383.html
http://www.wired4success.com/colorsymbolism.htm
http://desktoppub.about.com/cs/color/a/symbolism.htm
--

Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@...>
Sao Paulo - Brazil

MODERATOR NOTE: This discussion has drifted away >from its
original genealogical connection. Further responses without
a clear direct connection to genealogy should be sent privately.

Re: Death cert for a stillborn #general

Sam Schleman <Samara99@...>
 

I'm curious as to how you located an unmarked grave of a child who may not
have been given a name before he died. If it's unmarked, how do you know
whose grave it is?

That aside, when you say you have checked the archives, I assume you mean
the indexes. Did you check the separate indexes of stillborns?

Not all deaths make it into the indexes. Both my ggf and ggm were not listed
in the indexes; I checked every index listing that began with "S" >from 1910
(last census that included them) until 1919 (They were not in 1920). Neither
was in the index, but I found them by calling cemeteries and obtained the
DC's by looking at films of actual certificates issued around the time of
their respective deaths, obtained >from the stones.

Suggest you interpolate to find the films that would have deaths around
Sept, 1918, and then go thru the certificates until you find the one you
want. They couldn't be buried without a certificate.

Sam

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisa Dashman" <ldashman@...>

Dear Genners,
I have located the unmarked grave of the stillborn child of my gf and his
first wife, but have had no success locating the child's death
certificate.
The event occurred in Sept. 1918 in New York City, possibly in the
(Bronx)Lebanon Hospital. (The wife died there two days later.) I have
checked the NYC Municipal Archives and various databases, using variants
of the last name, and realizing that there probably would be no first name.
I've also checked with the cemetery for possible information.

Does anyone have experience with this predicament -- and a strategy to
resolve it? Thanks in advance for any help.

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen * The "meaning" of colors (was Black aprons) #general

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

I have been following the discussion of the use of black aprons by
mourning Jewish ladies in Britain. A member of this group suggested
that the use of black color by mourners is a Christian custom. Not so.

The use of black symbolizing death originates >from the Egyptians and
later >from the Romans, who indeed wear black shrouds when mourning.
The Christians took over the Romans custom. With the time it spread
into the Americas and Europe.

Black, which in the western culture usually evokes "bad" feelings
(black is dirty, somber, related to death, rebellion, etc.), among
Egyptians was also the color of something magical. For the Egyptians,
black cats carried divine powers. These pets are depicted in many
pharaohs tombs, seemingly for that reason (to protect the deceased
from evil spirits).
In the eastern cultures the color for death is white and in Thailand
the widow wears purple robes.

Thus, the "meaning" of colors changes with cultures and among
civilizations. For those interested in this interesting subject, here
are three links:

http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0769383.html
http://www.wired4success.com/colorsymbolism.htm
http://desktoppub.about.com/cs/color/a/symbolism.htm
--

Tom Venetianer <mailto:tom.vene@...>
Sao Paulo - Brazil

MODERATOR NOTE: This discussion has drifted away >from its
original genealogical connection. Further responses without
a clear direct connection to genealogy should be sent privately.

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Death cert for a stillborn #general

Sam Schleman <Samara99@...>
 

I'm curious as to how you located an unmarked grave of a child who may not
have been given a name before he died. If it's unmarked, how do you know
whose grave it is?

That aside, when you say you have checked the archives, I assume you mean
the indexes. Did you check the separate indexes of stillborns?

Not all deaths make it into the indexes. Both my ggf and ggm were not listed
in the indexes; I checked every index listing that began with "S" >from 1910
(last census that included them) until 1919 (They were not in 1920). Neither
was in the index, but I found them by calling cemeteries and obtained the
DC's by looking at films of actual certificates issued around the time of
their respective deaths, obtained >from the stones.

Suggest you interpolate to find the films that would have deaths around
Sept, 1918, and then go thru the certificates until you find the one you
want. They couldn't be buried without a certificate.

Sam

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisa Dashman" <ldashman@...>

Dear Genners,
I have located the unmarked grave of the stillborn child of my gf and his
first wife, but have had no success locating the child's death
certificate.
The event occurred in Sept. 1918 in New York City, possibly in the
(Bronx)Lebanon Hospital. (The wife died there two days later.) I have
checked the NYC Municipal Archives and various databases, using variants
of the last name, and realizing that there probably would be no first name.
I've also checked with the cemetery for possible information.

Does anyone have experience with this predicament -- and a strategy to
resolve it? Thanks in advance for any help.