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Re: Galicia luncheon #galicia

Shelley K. Pollero
 

It is most regretful that some of you have been inconvenienced by the date
change for the Galicia luncheon and will not be able to attend. This
situation was beyond our control.

There seems to be some confusion regarding refunds for those who now cannot
come to the luncheon. Therefore, here is a message that appeared today on
the LV2005 list:

If you have already signed up for a particular lunch which is now changed to
a different day, you can either switch it with another lunch or the
Conference Committee will refund the luncheon cost to you *at the
conference*.

Please contact the registration company directly if you want to switch to
another lunch. You can contact the registration company directly at
1.800.805.3976 (toll-free) or by email at: <IAJGSInfo@yesevents.com>.

Shelly Weiner
LV2005 web g-ddess / LV2005 Resource Room Coordinator
Conference website:
<http://www.jewishgen.org/LV2005/home.htm>


When I registered for the Las Vegas conference, I purchased a ticket
for the Galicia luncheon. Now that the date has been changed, I find
I cannot attend as I will be leaving las Vegas in the morning, but
the luncheon tickets cannot be refunded. So if anyone has not yet
purchased a ticket and needs one, please contact me privately. I
would be most appreciative.

Joyce Field
W. Lafayette, IN
I hope this clarifies the situation. We will miss those of you who had
already made other plans for Thursday July 14, the new Galicia luncheon
date. We certainly hope to see you at the Galicia SIG meeting and BOF and at
the SIG Fair.

It's important for you to subscribe to the LV2005 list if you are going to
the conference. Messages are posted regularly here, including the latest
schedules. http://www.jewishgen.org/listserv/sigs.htm Choose LV2005

Regards,

Shelley
--
Shelley K. Pollero, Coordinator
Gesher Galicia
Severna Park, Maryland
geshergalicia@comcast.net
http://www.jewishgen.org/Galicia/


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Galicia luncheon #galicia

Shelley K. Pollero
 

It is most regretful that some of you have been inconvenienced by the date
change for the Galicia luncheon and will not be able to attend. This
situation was beyond our control.

There seems to be some confusion regarding refunds for those who now cannot
come to the luncheon. Therefore, here is a message that appeared today on
the LV2005 list:

If you have already signed up for a particular lunch which is now changed to
a different day, you can either switch it with another lunch or the
Conference Committee will refund the luncheon cost to you *at the
conference*.

Please contact the registration company directly if you want to switch to
another lunch. You can contact the registration company directly at
1.800.805.3976 (toll-free) or by email at: <IAJGSInfo@yesevents.com>.

Shelly Weiner
LV2005 web g-ddess / LV2005 Resource Room Coordinator
Conference website:
<http://www.jewishgen.org/LV2005/home.htm>


When I registered for the Las Vegas conference, I purchased a ticket
for the Galicia luncheon. Now that the date has been changed, I find
I cannot attend as I will be leaving las Vegas in the morning, but
the luncheon tickets cannot be refunded. So if anyone has not yet
purchased a ticket and needs one, please contact me privately. I
would be most appreciative.

Joyce Field
W. Lafayette, IN
I hope this clarifies the situation. We will miss those of you who had
already made other plans for Thursday July 14, the new Galicia luncheon
date. We certainly hope to see you at the Galicia SIG meeting and BOF and at
the SIG Fair.

It's important for you to subscribe to the LV2005 list if you are going to
the conference. Messages are posted regularly here, including the latest
schedules. http://www.jewishgen.org/listserv/sigs.htm Choose LV2005

Regards,

Shelley
--
Shelley K. Pollero, Coordinator
Gesher Galicia
Severna Park, Maryland
geshergalicia@comcast.net
http://www.jewishgen.org/Galicia/


Re: polish words on birth certificate #galicia

Jurek Hirschberg <jurek@...>
 

"Kum" has still another meaning which applies in this particular
context. "Kumow lub swiadkow" means "(of the) godparents or witnesses".

Regards,

Jurek Hirschberg
jurek@hirschberg.se
Tarnopol: HIRSCHBERG, GOLIGER
Skalat: BERNSTEIN, ROSENZWEIG, PODHORCER, PERLMUTTER



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Re: your command request
get galicia 499698
Here is the text of Message 499698:

Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 18:30:19 -0600
From: Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: polish words on birth certificate

"Susana Mamber Englender" wrote:

Can sameone tell me please, what the words "kumow lub swiadkow" means? I
try on the Poltran dictionary but it is not working.
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Kum - friend, chum or crony
Swiadek - witness

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: polish words on birth certificate #galicia

Jurek Hirschberg <jurek@...>
 

"Kum" has still another meaning which applies in this particular
context. "Kumow lub swiadkow" means "(of the) godparents or witnesses".

Regards,

Jurek Hirschberg
jurek@hirschberg.se
Tarnopol: HIRSCHBERG, GOLIGER
Skalat: BERNSTEIN, ROSENZWEIG, PODHORCER, PERLMUTTER



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Re: your command request
get galicia 499698
Here is the text of Message 499698:

Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 18:30:19 -0600
From: Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: polish words on birth certificate

"Susana Mamber Englender" wrote:

Can sameone tell me please, what the words "kumow lub swiadkow" means? I
try on the Poltran dictionary but it is not working.
=20

Kum - friend, chum or crony
Swiadek - witness

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab


Las Vegas 2005 updates #galicia

Shelley K. Pollero
 

If you are interested in the Las Vegas conference updates and messages
specific to the conference, be sure to subscribe to the LV2005 mailing list.

http://www.jewishgen.org/listserv/sigs.htm Select LV2005.

The Daily Planner is updated only occasionally at this point. However, the
conference committee provides interim updates to the schedule via messages.

Don't forget to register before May 8 (Sunday) for Early Registration!

Let me know if you are going to the conference!

Shelley
--
Shelley K. Pollero, Coordinator
Gesher Galicia
Severna Park, Maryland
geshergalicia@comcast.net
http://www.jewishgen.org/Galicia/


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Las Vegas 2005 updates #galicia

Shelley K. Pollero
 

If you are interested in the Las Vegas conference updates and messages
specific to the conference, be sure to subscribe to the LV2005 mailing list.

http://www.jewishgen.org/listserv/sigs.htm Select LV2005.

The Daily Planner is updated only occasionally at this point. However, the
conference committee provides interim updates to the schedule via messages.

Don't forget to register before May 8 (Sunday) for Early Registration!

Let me know if you are going to the conference!

Shelley
--
Shelley K. Pollero, Coordinator
Gesher Galicia
Severna Park, Maryland
geshergalicia@comcast.net
http://www.jewishgen.org/Galicia/


Bohemian, Moravian and Silesian Kreis - historical website #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

If you have ever puzzled about the Kreis -
administrative districts - of Bohemia, Moravia and
Silesia, this website should be a great help:

http://ekeil.gmxhome.de/vwe-a-m.htm

Even if you do not read German, you will find a Table
"Liste G", which shows that the number and names of
the Bohemian Kreis changed constantly >from 1350 to
1862.

At the time of the 1793 Jewish census of Bohemia,
there were 16 Kreis - the highest number ever.

"Liste L" gives the Kreis names for Moravia from
1529-1860. Here you can clearly see that in the period
1850-1855, the number of Moravian Kreis was reduced
from a high of six Kreis to only two, namely Brunner
and Olmutzer. I wonder if this radical reorganisation
had anything to do with the apparent muddle in the
location of Moravian records? Records >from one
Moravian administrative centre many have been
transported to another - and then never returned when
the six Kreis were reintroduced in 1855.

"Liste M" has details of the Silesian Kreis and some
historical information about the Silesian situation.

This website should solve many of our Kreis problems.
There are maps to identify the location of the Kries -
names of the administrative centres for each Kreis are
given; area and population statistics are also
included.

Celia Male [UK]


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Bohemian, Moravian and Silesian Kreis - historical website #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

If you have ever puzzled about the Kreis -
administrative districts - of Bohemia, Moravia and
Silesia, this website should be a great help:

http://ekeil.gmxhome.de/vwe-a-m.htm

Even if you do not read German, you will find a Table
"Liste G", which shows that the number and names of
the Bohemian Kreis changed constantly >from 1350 to
1862.

At the time of the 1793 Jewish census of Bohemia,
there were 16 Kreis - the highest number ever.

"Liste L" gives the Kreis names for Moravia from
1529-1860. Here you can clearly see that in the period
1850-1855, the number of Moravian Kreis was reduced
from a high of six Kreis to only two, namely Brunner
and Olmutzer. I wonder if this radical reorganisation
had anything to do with the apparent muddle in the
location of Moravian records? Records >from one
Moravian administrative centre many have been
transported to another - and then never returned when
the six Kreis were reintroduced in 1855.

"Liste M" has details of the Silesian Kreis and some
historical information about the Silesian situation.

This website should solve many of our Kreis problems.
There are maps to identify the location of the Kries -
names of the administrative centres for each Kreis are
given; area and population statistics are also
included.

Celia Male [UK]


Picture of Graves in Home of Peace Memorial Park, Los Angeles CA #general

Barry E Chernick
 

I am interested in getting pictures of two graves in the Home of Peace
Memorial Park, Los Angels, California. I have the locations for each
grave. If you can help please respond privately.
Barry Chernick
Bellevue, WA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Picture of Graves in Home of Peace Memorial Park, Los Angeles CA #general

Barry E Chernick
 

I am interested in getting pictures of two graves in the Home of Peace
Memorial Park, Los Angels, California. I have the locations for each
grave. If you can help please respond privately.
Barry Chernick
Bellevue, WA


Ask a librarian: THE TIMES DIGITAL Newspaper ARCHIVE Online #unitedkingdom

pweinthal@...
 

The digital database of The Times of London has been widely available
at libraries for several years. Because of the expense, subscribers
tend to be university and big city libraries. These on-line, keyword
searchable newspapers are terrific. Sure saves a lot of time and
drudgery. The search engine turns up citations I'never would have found
otherwise.

Since you didn't tell us the town or country where you live, I can't
help you find The Times archive in your area.

TO find libraries in your area that subscribe to The Times, ask the
reference libarian for assistance. They know about directories to
locate these kinds of resources. (e.g., WorldCat). If you have a
specific library in mind, you can nowadays search their catalog on-line.

Alternatively, you can write Gale's sales department and ask for the
names of libraries in your area that subscribe to the service. (That's
the best department to contact. I did this with ProQuest to locate
subscribers to their American newspapers.)

regards,
Pat Weinthal (a well-trained, reference librarian's daughter)
Boston, MA USA


Caroline Faunce-Brown wrote:

<<I'm now trying to find out how to access it via subscription or at
a local library and it doesn't seem possible.

Libraries don't yet have a searchable digital version, only microfilms
with
indexes, so you can't do word or phrase searches.>>


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Ask a librarian: THE TIMES DIGITAL Newspaper ARCHIVE Online #unitedkingdom

pweinthal@...
 

The digital database of The Times of London has been widely available
at libraries for several years. Because of the expense, subscribers
tend to be university and big city libraries. These on-line, keyword
searchable newspapers are terrific. Sure saves a lot of time and
drudgery. The search engine turns up citations I'never would have found
otherwise.

Since you didn't tell us the town or country where you live, I can't
help you find The Times archive in your area.

TO find libraries in your area that subscribe to The Times, ask the
reference libarian for assistance. They know about directories to
locate these kinds of resources. (e.g., WorldCat). If you have a
specific library in mind, you can nowadays search their catalog on-line.

Alternatively, you can write Gale's sales department and ask for the
names of libraries in your area that subscribe to the service. (That's
the best department to contact. I did this with ProQuest to locate
subscribers to their American newspapers.)

regards,
Pat Weinthal (a well-trained, reference librarian's daughter)
Boston, MA USA


Caroline Faunce-Brown wrote:

<<I'm now trying to find out how to access it via subscription or at
a local library and it doesn't seem possible.

Libraries don't yet have a searchable digital version, only microfilms
with
indexes, so you can't do word or phrase searches.>>


Re: LAZAR - Montreal #general

Alan Greenberg
 

While in Israel this past February, I met with my Mother's second cousins
and discovered a new sister of my ggm who evidently left Romania in 1906 and
went to Montreal.

Descendants are supposedly still living in Montreal. Would someone in
Montreal be kind enough to help me with a lookup.

Please reply to me directly.
Thank you,
Desiree Gil
Boston, MA
Desiree, unfortunately, Lazar/Lazare is a rather common name here - there
are over 100 listed in the online directory for Quebec
(http://canada411.ca). To make it more interesting, Lazare is a rather
common Mohawk/Iroquis surname - many, but not all, of these will be listed
as living in the Kahnawake Mohawk community.

The JGS-Montreal has an extensive collection of Jewish vital records (see
http://jgs-montreal.org and http://jgs-montreal.org/vital ), and I will
e-mail you privately regarding what we have for these names.

Alan Greenberg
Montreal, Canada


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: LAZAR - Montreal #general

Alan Greenberg
 

While in Israel this past February, I met with my Mother's second cousins
and discovered a new sister of my ggm who evidently left Romania in 1906 and
went to Montreal.

Descendants are supposedly still living in Montreal. Would someone in
Montreal be kind enough to help me with a lookup.

Please reply to me directly.
Thank you,
Desiree Gil
Boston, MA
Desiree, unfortunately, Lazar/Lazare is a rather common name here - there
are over 100 listed in the online directory for Quebec
(http://canada411.ca). To make it more interesting, Lazare is a rather
common Mohawk/Iroquis surname - many, but not all, of these will be listed
as living in the Kahnawake Mohawk community.

The JGS-Montreal has an extensive collection of Jewish vital records (see
http://jgs-montreal.org and http://jgs-montreal.org/vital ), and I will
e-mail you privately regarding what we have for these names.

Alan Greenberg
Montreal, Canada


Re: A Couple of Connections Found and/or Discovered #general

Maria <elena@...>
 

Hoping to establish a couple of connections to some names I've been able to
tie into the main branches of my family research:

In 1891, my great uncle, Samuel Maltinsky, living in Braddock PA, married
Gittel Kunst. I have found the Hamburg and NY port references to Gittel Kunst:
she lived in Grodno, was born about 1870, and arrived in NY in December 1890
on the Rhaetia out of Hamburg. By spring 1891, she has relocated to PA.
The marriage certificate says she was living on Townsend Street, in Pittsburgh.
A search of microfilmed directories for Pittsburgh yielded no Kunst references
(or Kunsht, or Kunzt names either). It's possible that she could have been
boarding, and just wasn't listed? Interestingly, the 1930 census for
Pittsburgh does show a "Kunsty" family living at 34 Townsend, close to a Zak
family (Yad Vashem mentions a Kunst/Zak marriage, indicating a possible
connection for the Pittsburgh family). Gittel changed her name to Gertrud
after her marriage to Sam Maltinsky; the last I've been able to gather about
her is in the 1930 census, where, two years after Sam's death, she is running
a boarding house; and her death in about 1944. Would be happy to work on any
connections between Kunst families and this Gittel/Gertrud Kunst >from Grodno.

Following a lead on my grandfather's (Polish) side of the family, I have
established a connection for Frank Levy, born in Brooklyn. He was the son of
Kalman Levy and Betsy/Bessie/Beile Pomerantz. Both were >from Poland, town
uncertain, but Betsy appears to have been related to my great grandmother,
which indicates that she would have lived around the Przedecz area. Son Frank
married and passed away in Louisville, and I have just discovered a couple of
facts about his wife's family: she is Lillie, born Yoffe, in Missouri. Her
father was Henry Yoffe, >from "Lithuania", according to the 1930 census for
Louisville. He and his wife Sara, also >from Lithuania, seem to have come to
the US about 1908. Lillie, born around 1914 and sister Bessie, born around
1918, were both born in Missouri; their brother Edward was born in Louisville
in about 1923. Henry Yoffe was in the tobacco business while in Missouri,
and ran a retail store in Louisville, which Frank seems to have inherited.
Would be happy to pursue facts and leads with anyone with any connections.

Many thanks to all,

Maria Torres
elena@pipeline.com
MALTINSKY, RUBINSTEIN, MOSTOW, IMONITOFF, ZELLAT/ZELOTUKHIN (Latvia, PA, GA, NY)
NOTIS (Kovno, NY) KUNST (Poland, PA), PADEREWSKI (Poland, Savannah)
SABLODOWSKY (Poland, PA) ROSKOPH (Bohemia, OH, PA, NY)
PHILLIPS (PSCHEDESKI, PRZDECKI, DADACZ), LEVY, POMERANZ, ZEPLINSKY, FRANKEL
(Poland, NY, KY) RYBINSKI (Poland, UK)
TOBIAS (Poland, UK) DANIELSKI (Przdecz Poland)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: A Couple of Connections Found and/or Discovered #general

Maria <elena@...>
 

Hoping to establish a couple of connections to some names I've been able to
tie into the main branches of my family research:

In 1891, my great uncle, Samuel Maltinsky, living in Braddock PA, married
Gittel Kunst. I have found the Hamburg and NY port references to Gittel Kunst:
she lived in Grodno, was born about 1870, and arrived in NY in December 1890
on the Rhaetia out of Hamburg. By spring 1891, she has relocated to PA.
The marriage certificate says she was living on Townsend Street, in Pittsburgh.
A search of microfilmed directories for Pittsburgh yielded no Kunst references
(or Kunsht, or Kunzt names either). It's possible that she could have been
boarding, and just wasn't listed? Interestingly, the 1930 census for
Pittsburgh does show a "Kunsty" family living at 34 Townsend, close to a Zak
family (Yad Vashem mentions a Kunst/Zak marriage, indicating a possible
connection for the Pittsburgh family). Gittel changed her name to Gertrud
after her marriage to Sam Maltinsky; the last I've been able to gather about
her is in the 1930 census, where, two years after Sam's death, she is running
a boarding house; and her death in about 1944. Would be happy to work on any
connections between Kunst families and this Gittel/Gertrud Kunst >from Grodno.

Following a lead on my grandfather's (Polish) side of the family, I have
established a connection for Frank Levy, born in Brooklyn. He was the son of
Kalman Levy and Betsy/Bessie/Beile Pomerantz. Both were >from Poland, town
uncertain, but Betsy appears to have been related to my great grandmother,
which indicates that she would have lived around the Przedecz area. Son Frank
married and passed away in Louisville, and I have just discovered a couple of
facts about his wife's family: she is Lillie, born Yoffe, in Missouri. Her
father was Henry Yoffe, >from "Lithuania", according to the 1930 census for
Louisville. He and his wife Sara, also >from Lithuania, seem to have come to
the US about 1908. Lillie, born around 1914 and sister Bessie, born around
1918, were both born in Missouri; their brother Edward was born in Louisville
in about 1923. Henry Yoffe was in the tobacco business while in Missouri,
and ran a retail store in Louisville, which Frank seems to have inherited.
Would be happy to pursue facts and leads with anyone with any connections.

Many thanks to all,

Maria Torres
elena@pipeline.com
MALTINSKY, RUBINSTEIN, MOSTOW, IMONITOFF, ZELLAT/ZELOTUKHIN (Latvia, PA, GA, NY)
NOTIS (Kovno, NY) KUNST (Poland, PA), PADEREWSKI (Poland, Savannah)
SABLODOWSKY (Poland, PA) ROSKOPH (Bohemia, OH, PA, NY)
PHILLIPS (PSCHEDESKI, PRZDECKI, DADACZ), LEVY, POMERANZ, ZEPLINSKY, FRANKEL
(Poland, NY, KY) RYBINSKI (Poland, UK)
TOBIAS (Poland, UK) DANIELSKI (Przdecz Poland)


Re: Possible good news re NY research #general

Ira Leviton
 

Dear Group,

Joan Parker, quoting Gary Mokotoff's "Nu? What's Nu?" wrote:

New York Law May Make Vital Records More Accessible

There is a trend in the United States and elsewhere toward limiting access
to vital records under the guise of reducing identity theft and combating
terrorism. New York Assembly Bill 7209 [my note: it is A07209] is moving
in the opposite direction. The bill would reduce the current cost to
obtain vital records for genealogical purposes by half, and for applicants
who show current membership in a genealogical society, review of vital
records will be at no charge.

A summary comment of the bill makes the statement that "the fear that has
been voiced that vital records could provide information which could lead
to identity theft is unfounded. In a recent survey of 500 victims of
identity theft, not one was due to information gleaned >from vital
records."

Additional information can be found at
http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=A07209.

I counter with: Don't get your hopes up too quickly. Bills are often
proposed, and then languish and disappear. (And in New York, the
legislature is famous for doing almost nothing.) For example, there's
another proposed bill, A05641, which if passed would "authorize the
commissioner of health to issue copies and transcripts of death
certificates, which do not include the cause of death or medical
certifications, for genealogical and research purposes." Sounds great.
This is law in many other states already. However, instead of being voted
on, this bill has been referred to the Assembly's Health Committee, and
apparently that has happened every other year since 1999. Unfortunately,
the bill that Gary and Joan mentioned has also already been referred to
the Health Committee. Information on both bills is available on the New
York State Assembly's web site http://assembly.state.ny.us/

It is also unclear to me whether either of these bills, if passed,
would apply to New York City records, or only New York State records
outside of the city. These bills would not create entirely new laws, but
amend existing laws, and the web site only includes the changes. Without
the full text, it's unclear to me if the commissioner of health cited
above refers to only the state commissioner, or includes all local
commissioners in the state.

So, we will have to sit back and wait, probably for quite a while, to
see what happens. Or you can contact me privately for more information.

Ira Leviton
New York, N.Y.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Possible good news re NY research #general

Ira Leviton
 

Dear Group,

Joan Parker, quoting Gary Mokotoff's "Nu? What's Nu?" wrote:

New York Law May Make Vital Records More Accessible

There is a trend in the United States and elsewhere toward limiting access
to vital records under the guise of reducing identity theft and combating
terrorism. New York Assembly Bill 7209 [my note: it is A07209] is moving
in the opposite direction. The bill would reduce the current cost to
obtain vital records for genealogical purposes by half, and for applicants
who show current membership in a genealogical society, review of vital
records will be at no charge.

A summary comment of the bill makes the statement that "the fear that has
been voiced that vital records could provide information which could lead
to identity theft is unfounded. In a recent survey of 500 victims of
identity theft, not one was due to information gleaned >from vital
records."

Additional information can be found at
http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=A07209.

I counter with: Don't get your hopes up too quickly. Bills are often
proposed, and then languish and disappear. (And in New York, the
legislature is famous for doing almost nothing.) For example, there's
another proposed bill, A05641, which if passed would "authorize the
commissioner of health to issue copies and transcripts of death
certificates, which do not include the cause of death or medical
certifications, for genealogical and research purposes." Sounds great.
This is law in many other states already. However, instead of being voted
on, this bill has been referred to the Assembly's Health Committee, and
apparently that has happened every other year since 1999. Unfortunately,
the bill that Gary and Joan mentioned has also already been referred to
the Health Committee. Information on both bills is available on the New
York State Assembly's web site http://assembly.state.ny.us/

It is also unclear to me whether either of these bills, if passed,
would apply to New York City records, or only New York State records
outside of the city. These bills would not create entirely new laws, but
amend existing laws, and the web site only includes the changes. Without
the full text, it's unclear to me if the commissioner of health cited
above refers to only the state commissioner, or includes all local
commissioners in the state.

So, we will have to sit back and wait, probably for quite a while, to
see what happens. Or you can contact me privately for more information.

Ira Leviton
New York, N.Y.


Permission for marriage #ukraine

Lancy
 

After the partition of Poland and until the emancipation, there were several
attempts to control what seemed to the Austrians like the incontrollable
reproduction of the Jewish population. These rulings changed >from time to
time. There was a period when Jews had to present proof that they had
completed several years of elementary school (Cheder was not good enough).
Then there was a tax which was high enough to ensure that most of the
population could not marry. I believe these restrictions applied to civil
marriages only.

I don't know how they could restrict religious marriages when the Jewish
precept doesn't even call for a Rabbi to perform the ceremony. Saying the
words "At mekudeshet li ...." in front of a minyan is enough for a marriage
to be valid. They could only restrict the registration of the alliance.

Lancy Spalter
Kfar Tavor, Israel

----- Original Message -----

I sent a question in a few weeks back as to why a person, in this case my
great-grandfather who worked for the Postal Service in Lviv, required
permission >from the Post Office to get married. I did not get a firm
answer to this
question so I did a web search to try and find out why this permission
was
needed.

I found that after the partition of Poland a ruling was passed in lands
held
by Austria that a Rabbi could not wed those that did not have permeant
earnings. I would therefor assume that this would hold true in civil
marriages as
well since the recorded marriage was several years after the religious
marriage.
Errol Schneegurt LI NY
ESLVIV@AOL.COM
MODERATOR'S NOTE: This list focuses on the Ukraine territory. Polish issues are dealt with by JRI-Poland. This line of inquiry is over now.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Permission for marriage #ukraine

Lancy
 

After the partition of Poland and until the emancipation, there were several
attempts to control what seemed to the Austrians like the incontrollable
reproduction of the Jewish population. These rulings changed >from time to
time. There was a period when Jews had to present proof that they had
completed several years of elementary school (Cheder was not good enough).
Then there was a tax which was high enough to ensure that most of the
population could not marry. I believe these restrictions applied to civil
marriages only.

I don't know how they could restrict religious marriages when the Jewish
precept doesn't even call for a Rabbi to perform the ceremony. Saying the
words "At mekudeshet li ...." in front of a minyan is enough for a marriage
to be valid. They could only restrict the registration of the alliance.

Lancy Spalter
Kfar Tavor, Israel

----- Original Message -----

I sent a question in a few weeks back as to why a person, in this case my
great-grandfather who worked for the Postal Service in Lviv, required
permission >from the Post Office to get married. I did not get a firm
answer to this
question so I did a web search to try and find out why this permission
was
needed.

I found that after the partition of Poland a ruling was passed in lands
held
by Austria that a Rabbi could not wed those that did not have permeant
earnings. I would therefor assume that this would hold true in civil
marriages as
well since the recorded marriage was several years after the religious
marriage.
Errol Schneegurt LI NY
ESLVIV@AOL.COM
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