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HARRIS family in New York City 1920's #jewishgen

Bob Wexler <rwexler@...>
 

One of my mother's uncles, Saul SIMON, married a Roselyn or Roselind
HARRIS (Born about 1901) in Manhattan in 1921. She appears in the
1920 US Federal Census living on West 192nd Street (as I read it)
with her mother Fannie (born about 1878) and a sister Nanette (born
about 1906).

The marriage, I believe, was short-lived for unknown reasons. My
great-uncle changed his name to George Simpson, I'm told and
disappeared shortly thereafter.

I would be interested in any info re this Harris family or any descendants.


Bob Wexler
South Wales, NY (Buffalo area)
Reply to: rwexler@...
WEXLER (alt. WECHSLER), Lenitz, Shpola, Odessa, Ukraine
ADLER, Tulchin, Odessa, Ukraine
SIMON (orig. SCHEN), Beschenkovichi & Kublichi, Vitebsk gubernia, Belarus
NOTARIUS (alt. NATARIUS), Chashniki, Vitebsk gubernia, Belarus
GREENBERG/TRAEGER/SOKOL, Tiraspol, Moldova; Odessa, Ukraine

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen HARRIS family in New York City 1920's #jewishgen

Bob Wexler <rwexler@...>
 

One of my mother's uncles, Saul SIMON, married a Roselyn or Roselind
HARRIS (Born about 1901) in Manhattan in 1921. She appears in the
1920 US Federal Census living on West 192nd Street (as I read it)
with her mother Fannie (born about 1878) and a sister Nanette (born
about 1906).

The marriage, I believe, was short-lived for unknown reasons. My
great-uncle changed his name to George Simpson, I'm told and
disappeared shortly thereafter.

I would be interested in any info re this Harris family or any descendants.


Bob Wexler
South Wales, NY (Buffalo area)
Reply to: rwexler@...
WEXLER (alt. WECHSLER), Lenitz, Shpola, Odessa, Ukraine
ADLER, Tulchin, Odessa, Ukraine
SIMON (orig. SCHEN), Beschenkovichi & Kublichi, Vitebsk gubernia, Belarus
NOTARIUS (alt. NATARIUS), Chashniki, Vitebsk gubernia, Belarus
GREENBERG/TRAEGER/SOKOL, Tiraspol, Moldova; Odessa, Ukraine

Beinashavitz Family #jewishgen

sjmervis@...
 

I'm searching for the family of the late Tobie BEINASHAVITZ of Jerusalem, Israel.
Tobie was born in Zhezmir, Lithuania around 1912. She was the sister of
Rachmiel Beinashavitz of Tel Aviv, Israel. Tobie and Rachmiel were my mother's
first cousins. My mother's name was Judy KANOVSKY LEVINE.
Please respond privately to SJMervis@....
Thanks,

Sandee Mervis.

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Beinashavitz Family #jewishgen

sjmervis@...
 

I'm searching for the family of the late Tobie BEINASHAVITZ of Jerusalem, Israel.
Tobie was born in Zhezmir, Lithuania around 1912. She was the sister of
Rachmiel Beinashavitz of Tel Aviv, Israel. Tobie and Rachmiel were my mother's
first cousins. My mother's name was Judy KANOVSKY LEVINE.
Please respond privately to SJMervis@....
Thanks,

Sandee Mervis.

Advice on how to find out someone's date of birth #jewishgen

Daniel Gee <danielgee@...>
 

Dear Genners,
I'd appreciate any advice on this one!
How can I find old my g-grandfather's birthdate, when little is known about
him?
Nathan Sack was born in 1876 in Prussia (place unknown), lived in South
Africa (Cape Town)( where he was in business (presumably clothing) and
ended up in London, where he married twice, the first time in 1909.
I have been unable to trace his siblings, ancestors or relatives, other than
descendants, even though I have written to many people in South Africa
and had an article published in the Cape Town Jewish Chronicle years ago.
from the UK I have his marriage applications (>from the Court of the Chief
Rabbi), his state marriage certificates, his death certificate and burial
application. I have seen the cemetery records, he had no headstone and his
medical notes (which are very comprehensive) contain no d.o.b.
Although it is unlikely, he MAY have had his Bar Mitzvah in RSA, but do any
old shul records still exist, and would they have kept this information
anyway?
In the UK, under what circumstance might his date of birth been recorded?
Did they have GPs in those days? If so, would the doctor have recorded this
information and how might I gain access to his normal doctor's notes.
He died in an asylum, and the hospital's notes, which are extremely
comprehensive, do not state this information.
I don't know if this is of any relevance, but his asylum notes state he had
a "tattoo mark" on his arm. I believe it was not the norm for Jewish people
of the day to have body tattoos as many young people do now days - and I
don't believe he was in the services. I guess he could have been in Boer
War, but know little about the event. I wonder if this was just a simple
birthmark that might have been described as a tattoo (ie the meaning has
changed)? Just a thought..
Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated..
Please respond privately.
Daniel Gleek in London
danielgee@...

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Advice on how to find out someone's date of birth #jewishgen

Daniel Gee <danielgee@...>
 

Dear Genners,
I'd appreciate any advice on this one!
How can I find old my g-grandfather's birthdate, when little is known about
him?
Nathan Sack was born in 1876 in Prussia (place unknown), lived in South
Africa (Cape Town)( where he was in business (presumably clothing) and
ended up in London, where he married twice, the first time in 1909.
I have been unable to trace his siblings, ancestors or relatives, other than
descendants, even though I have written to many people in South Africa
and had an article published in the Cape Town Jewish Chronicle years ago.
from the UK I have his marriage applications (>from the Court of the Chief
Rabbi), his state marriage certificates, his death certificate and burial
application. I have seen the cemetery records, he had no headstone and his
medical notes (which are very comprehensive) contain no d.o.b.
Although it is unlikely, he MAY have had his Bar Mitzvah in RSA, but do any
old shul records still exist, and would they have kept this information
anyway?
In the UK, under what circumstance might his date of birth been recorded?
Did they have GPs in those days? If so, would the doctor have recorded this
information and how might I gain access to his normal doctor's notes.
He died in an asylum, and the hospital's notes, which are extremely
comprehensive, do not state this information.
I don't know if this is of any relevance, but his asylum notes state he had
a "tattoo mark" on his arm. I believe it was not the norm for Jewish people
of the day to have body tattoos as many young people do now days - and I
don't believe he was in the services. I guess he could have been in Boer
War, but know little about the event. I wonder if this was just a simple
birthmark that might have been described as a tattoo (ie the meaning has
changed)? Just a thought..
Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated..
Please respond privately.
Daniel Gleek in London
danielgee@...

Re: Pictures of Steamships #jewishgen

Genealogy@Matrix <Genealogy@...>
 

There is a wonderful organization called the Steamship Historical
Society of America http://www.sshsa.net that has listings of numerous
ships that entered US ports. Their web-site has a link [click on
library] to the Steamship Library @ University of Baltimore Special
Collections Archive that holds the records and pictures: [or go
directly to http://archives.ubalt.edu/steamship/index.htm ] The
Library will search for pictures and info about the ship of interest.

In addition when doing your internet searches, did you try:
http://www.theshipslist.com ? The site has Ship listings by Line and
descriptions of ships as well as some Passenger Lists.

Randy Barbara Messinger
New Haven, CT

Researching: STRIZEWSKY/STRAUSS and HORWITZ/GURWITZ -- Belarus->Philadelphia
ROCHMANN/RICHMAN and SHAPIRO -- Zhitomir, Ukraine-> Philadelphia and
Pittsgrove, New Jersey
MESSINGER & HABER & LINGEL -- Zawalow, Austria/Galicia-> New York City
REGAN & FERSHING & REISS -- Stanislau (Ivano-Frankivsk) ->New York City


If you have a picture of the steamship Ambria which served the Glasgow
- New York route for Hamburg America Lines in the 1890's, please contact me
directly. I have searched all of the resources on the internet and
have not been successful.

Regards,

Chaim Luria

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Pictures of Steamships #jewishgen

Genealogy@Matrix <Genealogy@...>
 

There is a wonderful organization called the Steamship Historical
Society of America http://www.sshsa.net that has listings of numerous
ships that entered US ports. Their web-site has a link [click on
library] to the Steamship Library @ University of Baltimore Special
Collections Archive that holds the records and pictures: [or go
directly to http://archives.ubalt.edu/steamship/index.htm ] The
Library will search for pictures and info about the ship of interest.

In addition when doing your internet searches, did you try:
http://www.theshipslist.com ? The site has Ship listings by Line and
descriptions of ships as well as some Passenger Lists.

Randy Barbara Messinger
New Haven, CT

Researching: STRIZEWSKY/STRAUSS and HORWITZ/GURWITZ -- Belarus->Philadelphia
ROCHMANN/RICHMAN and SHAPIRO -- Zhitomir, Ukraine-> Philadelphia and
Pittsgrove, New Jersey
MESSINGER & HABER & LINGEL -- Zawalow, Austria/Galicia-> New York City
REGAN & FERSHING & REISS -- Stanislau (Ivano-Frankivsk) ->New York City


If you have a picture of the steamship Ambria which served the Glasgow
- New York route for Hamburg America Lines in the 1890's, please contact me
directly. I have searched all of the resources on the internet and
have not been successful.

Regards,

Chaim Luria

SACK family - From Prussia to London (via Cape Town) #jewishgen

Daniel Gee <danielgee@...>
 

Dear Genners,
Does anyone on your tree have the surname SACK?
I am seeking information on the brothers Hyman and Nathan SACK.

(1) I am looking for information about the siblings:
- Reuben SACK (b approx 1908 - he was a barber)
- Jessie SACK (she married Alf; surname unknown) and
- Lily SACK (she married David; surname again unknown)
Although they lived in England, I believe they were born and died elsewhere.
Their surnames are unknown but, between them, Jessie & Lily
had children called Nina, Norma and Barbara.
Their mother Rebecca SACK (1885-1944) is buried in Edmonton.
Their father Hyman (Chono?) SACK (1879-1922) is also there.
I cannot find Reuben's resting place, but in 1944 he was known
to be living in Coronation Avenue, Stoke Newington, London N16.

(2) I am also after details about:
The descendants of Jacob SACK, a furrier, who lived in Prussia.
His son Nathan went to Cape Town, RSA, before arriving in London.
Nathan SACK (1876-1921) married Milly SILVERSTEIN (1881-1910)
and Sophie ISOWITSKY (1893-1975).

Thank You,
Daniel Gleek in London
danielgee@...

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SACK family - From Prussia to London (via Cape Town) #jewishgen

Daniel Gee <danielgee@...>
 

Dear Genners,
Does anyone on your tree have the surname SACK?
I am seeking information on the brothers Hyman and Nathan SACK.

(1) I am looking for information about the siblings:
- Reuben SACK (b approx 1908 - he was a barber)
- Jessie SACK (she married Alf; surname unknown) and
- Lily SACK (she married David; surname again unknown)
Although they lived in England, I believe they were born and died elsewhere.
Their surnames are unknown but, between them, Jessie & Lily
had children called Nina, Norma and Barbara.
Their mother Rebecca SACK (1885-1944) is buried in Edmonton.
Their father Hyman (Chono?) SACK (1879-1922) is also there.
I cannot find Reuben's resting place, but in 1944 he was known
to be living in Coronation Avenue, Stoke Newington, London N16.

(2) I am also after details about:
The descendants of Jacob SACK, a furrier, who lived in Prussia.
His son Nathan went to Cape Town, RSA, before arriving in London.
Nathan SACK (1876-1921) married Milly SILVERSTEIN (1881-1910)
and Sophie ISOWITSKY (1893-1975).

Thank You,
Daniel Gleek in London
danielgee@...

Re: HAM(M)ERSCHLAG Family of Bohemia #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Ron Herrmann asked on Dec 20th: "does anyone have
information about Klara HAMMERSCHLAG? She married
Philip KAFKA who was Franz KAFKA's uncle. Their son,
Dr. Robert KAFKA married my grandmother's cousin -
Elsa ROBITSCHEK. I do not have any additional
information about Klara except her name.

I replied "I discovered that Filip [Philip] KAFKA, the
uncle of the famous Franz, had a shop in Kolin. I
wonder if Ron has his facts wrong? I know >from an
Austria-Czech message archive search for "KAFKA RON"
that Ron has the same family tree that I have of
Franz KAFKA's family. There we see Philip KAFKA
[1846-1914] married Klara POLACEK [1847-1908].

Has Ron got further unpublished information? Was Klara
a HAMMERSCHLAG perhaps on her mother's side or was she
perhaps nee HAMMERSCHLAG and married to a POLACEK
prior to her marriage to Philip KAFKA?

Well now we have the answer; Ron heard >from Sigger
Julius Muller in Prague [and I have their permission
to quote] that Klara was nee HAMMERSCHLAG but a widow
when she married Philip KAFKA.

Her maiden name HAMMERSCHLAG can clearly be seen on
her son Robert's wedding certificate to Else
ROBITSCHEK [daughter of Sigmund and Charlotte nee
BERGMANN] on 2 July 1916 in Prague and her first
married name POLACZEK appears on her son Otto's birth
certificate in 1879. Robert was born in 1881. Klara
and Philip had 5 further children: Erich 1882; Oskar
1884, Zdenek 1885; Irena 1886 and Franz 1895. The
latter is of course a first-cousin of the famous Franz
KAFKA born in 1883.

Futher more, I have read that there was another Kafka
relative called Adolf living in Kolin in 1895. I am
not sure who exactly he was and how he fits into the
family. Perhaps Philip moved to Kolin because Adolf
was already established there?

Well, we have solved another HAMMERSCHLAG mystery. We
still do not know which Kolin HAMMERSCHLAG family
Klara came from, but that should not be hard to find
out, for any interested.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re:HAM(M)ERSCHLAG Family of Bohemia #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Ron Herrmann asked on Dec 20th: "does anyone have
information about Klara HAMMERSCHLAG? She married
Philip KAFKA who was Franz KAFKA's uncle. Their son,
Dr. Robert KAFKA married my grandmother's cousin -
Elsa ROBITSCHEK. I do not have any additional
information about Klara except her name.

I replied "I discovered that Filip [Philip] KAFKA, the
uncle of the famous Franz, had a shop in Kolin. I
wonder if Ron has his facts wrong? I know >from an
Austria-Czech message archive search for "KAFKA RON"
that Ron has the same family tree that I have of
Franz KAFKA's family. There we see Philip KAFKA
[1846-1914] married Klara POLACEK [1847-1908].

Has Ron got further unpublished information? Was Klara
a HAMMERSCHLAG perhaps on her mother's side or was she
perhaps nee HAMMERSCHLAG and married to a POLACEK
prior to her marriage to Philip KAFKA?

Well now we have the answer; Ron heard >from Sigger
Julius Muller in Prague [and I have their permission
to quote] that Klara was nee HAMMERSCHLAG but a widow
when she married Philip KAFKA.

Her maiden name HAMMERSCHLAG can clearly be seen on
her son Robert's wedding certificate to Else
ROBITSCHEK [daughter of Sigmund and Charlotte nee
BERGMANN] on 2 July 1916 in Prague and her first
married name POLACZEK appears on her son Otto's birth
certificate in 1879. Robert was born in 1881. Klara
and Philip had 5 further children: Erich 1882; Oskar
1884, Zdenek 1885; Irena 1886 and Franz 1895. The
latter is of course a first-cousin of the famous Franz
KAFKA born in 1883.

Futher more, I have read that there was another Kafka
relative called Adolf living in Kolin in 1895. I am
not sure who exactly he was and how he fits into the
family. Perhaps Philip moved to Kolin because Adolf
was already established there?

Well, we have solved another HAMMERSCHLAG mystery. We
still do not know which Kolin HAMMERSCHLAG family
Klara came from, but that should not be hard to find
out, for any interested.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Re: HAM(M)ERSCHLAG Family of Bohemia #austria-czech

Ron Herrmann <ron_herrmann@...>
 

All,

There's no mistake on my side and I guess we found a
connection between my family and the people listed in
Celia's e-mail.

The confusion is caused by the fact Klara´s birth
last-name was HAMMERSCHLAG but she was widow (after
POLATCHEK). This fact is mentioned in Otto KAKFA´s
(her son) birth record in 1879 in Kolin.

So let's see if I can summarize this mountain of
information:

Philip Kafka, 1847-1921, marries Klara POLATCHEK,
widow, birth name is Klara HAMMERSCHLAG.

Philip Kafka is the Brother of Herrmann Kafka and thus
he's the uncle of the famous Franz Kafka (1883-1924,
Herrmann's son).

Children (known to me) are:

Dr. Robert Kafka, born January 8, 1881.
Hermina (1876)
Otto (1877)
Ida (1878)
Selma (1880)

Dr. Robert Kakfa marries Elsa Robitschek on July 2,
1916.

Elsa ROBITSCHEK was born on October 17, 1895 to
Sigmund ROBITSCHEK and Charlotte nee BERGMAN (2nd wife
of Sigmund). Charlotte is the daughter of Isak and
Louise nee PETCHEK BERGMANN - a famous and very rich
Jewish family in Prague.

The PETCHEKs or Petscheks became the richest Jewish
family in Bohemia in the early 20th century. Their
banking house became the Gestapo headquarters in 1939,
and their palatial villa (sometimes referred to as the
last chateau in Central Europe) is the residence of
the US ambassador. Descendants live in NYC.

Elsa ROBITSCHEK had one sister, Anna (nick-name "Anda"
born August 4, 1898). Elsa is the cousin of my
grandmother, also named Elsa [Leah] ROBITSCHEK.

Therefore I now understand why and how my grandmother
met Franz Kafka in Prague on "family occasions" and
the friendly yet stormy relationship she had with
Franz. My grandmother, to say the least, did not like
Franz, but appreciated his wisdom and witt.

Robert and Elsa's son is Hans Phillip Kafka, born in
Prague in 1917. Probably he's the only child of Robert
and Elsa.

For people who read this and who are familiar with the
Kafka Family, I have one more question: Franz Kakfa's
sister, Gabrielle Kafka, marries Karl HERRMANN. I can
not find any information about this HERRMANN clan and
if possibly they are related to my HERRMANN family.

Ron HERRMANN, Bedminster, NJ, USA.
Researching: HERRMANN, LOEWENSTEIN, LOEBL/LOEWE, REIN,
KOHN, ABELES, ROBITSCHEK, MAHLER, KAFKA, PROPPER from
Bohemia.

Subject: Re:HAM(M)ERSCHLAG Family of Bohemia
From: Celia Male <celiamale@...>
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:40:31 -0800 (PST)
Ron Herrmann asked on Dec 20th: "does anyone have
information about Klara HAMMERSCHLAG? She married
Philip KAFKA who was Franz KAFKA's uncle. Their
son,
Dr. Robert KAFKA married my grandmother's cousin -
Elsa ROBITSCHEK. I do not have any additional
information about Klara except her name.

Also what "Celia's [Male] report of Samuel
HAMMERSCHLAG" are you
referring to? I did not see it posted anywhere...

Ron, I wrote about Samuel HAMMERSCHLAG very recently
in context with SQUARENINA, the printer and the IKG
[Vienna] library. Samuel was the famous second
librarian at the IKG library and he is also
remembered
as the greatly-revered Hebrew teacher of Sigmund
FREUD.

As for Philip KAFKA - I am researching the name
KAFKA
at the moment and will produce a few postings on the
subject. In the course of this research I discovered
that Filip [Philip] KAFKA, the uncle of the famous
Franz, had a shop in Kolin.

I wonder if Ron has his facts wrong? I know >from an
Austria-Czech message archive search* for "KAFKA
RON"
that Ron has the same family tree that I have of
Franz
KAFKA's family. There we see Philip KAFKA
[1846-1914]
married Klara POLACEK [1847-1908].

Has Ron got further unpublished information? Was
Klara
a HAMMERSCHLAG perhaps on her mother's side or was
she
perhaps nee HAMMERSCHLAG and married to a POLACEK
prior to her marriage to Philip KAFKA?

If Klara had HAMMERSCHLAG ancestry and she was from
Kolin it would not surprise me as Kolin was awash
with
HAMMERSCHLAG. In 1793 here are the Kolin
HAMMERSCHLAG
families:

A: Isac [baker] - sons Juda, Marcus, Isaias and
Enoch
- three daughters.
B: Moises [peddler]: First-born son Elias
[trousermaker] - whose son is Feit and who also has
two daughters [ie grandchildren of Moises}.
Second-born son of Moises was the unmarried Enoch.
C: Widow Sibila [widow & beggar] - with second-born
son Jacob and one daughter. To find her first-born
son, I have searched through all the censuses and
cannot positively identify him - assuming he is
still
in Bohemia. He could also be in Prague [census not
yet
out].

All three families apparently lived next to each
other.

There was also a Marcus Polacek living in Horzitz
[Horice] who was "zustandig" in Kolin. So he is a
possible link to the Polacek family. Marcus was a
ribbonmaker.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re:HAM(M)ERSCHLAG Family of Bohemia #austria-czech

Ron Herrmann <ron_herrmann@...>
 

All,

There's no mistake on my side and I guess we found a
connection between my family and the people listed in
Celia's e-mail.

The confusion is caused by the fact Klara´s birth
last-name was HAMMERSCHLAG but she was widow (after
POLATCHEK). This fact is mentioned in Otto KAKFA´s
(her son) birth record in 1879 in Kolin.

So let's see if I can summarize this mountain of
information:

Philip Kafka, 1847-1921, marries Klara POLATCHEK,
widow, birth name is Klara HAMMERSCHLAG.

Philip Kafka is the Brother of Herrmann Kafka and thus
he's the uncle of the famous Franz Kafka (1883-1924,
Herrmann's son).

Children (known to me) are:

Dr. Robert Kafka, born January 8, 1881.
Hermina (1876)
Otto (1877)
Ida (1878)
Selma (1880)

Dr. Robert Kakfa marries Elsa Robitschek on July 2,
1916.

Elsa ROBITSCHEK was born on October 17, 1895 to
Sigmund ROBITSCHEK and Charlotte nee BERGMAN (2nd wife
of Sigmund). Charlotte is the daughter of Isak and
Louise nee PETCHEK BERGMANN - a famous and very rich
Jewish family in Prague.

The PETCHEKs or Petscheks became the richest Jewish
family in Bohemia in the early 20th century. Their
banking house became the Gestapo headquarters in 1939,
and their palatial villa (sometimes referred to as the
last chateau in Central Europe) is the residence of
the US ambassador. Descendants live in NYC.

Elsa ROBITSCHEK had one sister, Anna (nick-name "Anda"
born August 4, 1898). Elsa is the cousin of my
grandmother, also named Elsa [Leah] ROBITSCHEK.

Therefore I now understand why and how my grandmother
met Franz Kafka in Prague on "family occasions" and
the friendly yet stormy relationship she had with
Franz. My grandmother, to say the least, did not like
Franz, but appreciated his wisdom and witt.

Robert and Elsa's son is Hans Phillip Kafka, born in
Prague in 1917. Probably he's the only child of Robert
and Elsa.

For people who read this and who are familiar with the
Kafka Family, I have one more question: Franz Kakfa's
sister, Gabrielle Kafka, marries Karl HERRMANN. I can
not find any information about this HERRMANN clan and
if possibly they are related to my HERRMANN family.

Ron HERRMANN, Bedminster, NJ, USA.
Researching: HERRMANN, LOEWENSTEIN, LOEBL/LOEWE, REIN,
KOHN, ABELES, ROBITSCHEK, MAHLER, KAFKA, PROPPER from
Bohemia.

Subject: Re:HAM(M)ERSCHLAG Family of Bohemia
From: Celia Male <celiamale@...>
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:40:31 -0800 (PST)
Ron Herrmann asked on Dec 20th: "does anyone have
information about Klara HAMMERSCHLAG? She married
Philip KAFKA who was Franz KAFKA's uncle. Their
son,
Dr. Robert KAFKA married my grandmother's cousin -
Elsa ROBITSCHEK. I do not have any additional
information about Klara except her name.

Also what "Celia's [Male] report of Samuel
HAMMERSCHLAG" are you
referring to? I did not see it posted anywhere...

Ron, I wrote about Samuel HAMMERSCHLAG very recently
in context with SQUARENINA, the printer and the IKG
[Vienna] library. Samuel was the famous second
librarian at the IKG library and he is also
remembered
as the greatly-revered Hebrew teacher of Sigmund
FREUD.

As for Philip KAFKA - I am researching the name
KAFKA
at the moment and will produce a few postings on the
subject. In the course of this research I discovered
that Filip [Philip] KAFKA, the uncle of the famous
Franz, had a shop in Kolin.

I wonder if Ron has his facts wrong? I know >from an
Austria-Czech message archive search* for "KAFKA
RON"
that Ron has the same family tree that I have of
Franz
KAFKA's family. There we see Philip KAFKA
[1846-1914]
married Klara POLACEK [1847-1908].

Has Ron got further unpublished information? Was
Klara
a HAMMERSCHLAG perhaps on her mother's side or was
she
perhaps nee HAMMERSCHLAG and married to a POLACEK
prior to her marriage to Philip KAFKA?

If Klara had HAMMERSCHLAG ancestry and she was from
Kolin it would not surprise me as Kolin was awash
with
HAMMERSCHLAG. In 1793 here are the Kolin
HAMMERSCHLAG
families:

A: Isac [baker] - sons Juda, Marcus, Isaias and
Enoch
- three daughters.
B: Moises [peddler]: First-born son Elias
[trousermaker] - whose son is Feit and who also has
two daughters [ie grandchildren of Moises}.
Second-born son of Moises was the unmarried Enoch.
C: Widow Sibila [widow & beggar] - with second-born
son Jacob and one daughter. To find her first-born
son, I have searched through all the censuses and
cannot positively identify him - assuming he is
still
in Bohemia. He could also be in Prague [census not
yet
out].

All three families apparently lived next to each
other.

There was also a Marcus Polacek living in Horzitz
[Horice] who was "zustandig" in Kolin. So he is a
possible link to the Polacek family. Marcus was a
ribbonmaker.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Re: Correctio fo e-mail dated 12-11-2005. #austria-czech

dnrrita@...
 

In a e-mail dated 12-11-2005 I asked if any one could help me get to
Prossnitz, Moravia where my great grandfather was born, I got a lot
of answers as to what trains to take and where to go etc. etc.... What
I was looking for was if any one knows where on the Internet I could go
to look for my GGrandfather [ Sigmund Huth ] who was born in Prossnitz,
Moravia on 25 Jun 1852. I am looking is there any more Huth who is
possibly buried there, and if I could look up births so that I can
possible go further back with my Ancestor

Dan Huth
Cedarhurst, Long Island, New York
USA

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: Correctio fo e-mail dated 12-11-2005. #austria-czech

dnrrita@...
 

In a e-mail dated 12-11-2005 I asked if any one could help me get to
Prossnitz, Moravia where my great grandfather was born, I got a lot
of answers as to what trains to take and where to go etc. etc.... What
I was looking for was if any one knows where on the Internet I could go
to look for my GGrandfather [ Sigmund Huth ] who was born in Prossnitz,
Moravia on 25 Jun 1852. I am looking is there any more Huth who is
possibly buried there, and if I could look up births so that I can
possible go further back with my Ancestor

Dan Huth
Cedarhurst, Long Island, New York
USA

Looking for STEINKE, Augusta #germany

MaggieLourdes@...
 

My name is Margaret Lourdes. I am currently very interested in tracing my
Great, Great Grandmother, whose maiden name was Augusta Pauline STEINKE. She
was born in 1864 and resided in Posen until 1884 when she and her husband,
Michael KALIS, immigrated to the US.

She was orphaned at age 7 and was raised in a Jewish household. The professions
of those who raised her were that of teachers. It was always our understanding by
oral, family recordings that she was Jewish. However, upon marrying Michael and
coming to the US, the lineage became German Lutheran. She talked little about
her past and avoided discussing details even when directly asked.

Maggie Lourdes, Esq. Plymouth Michigan USA MaggieLourdes@...

MODERATOR NOTE: Please read the "Welcome Letter" you received when you joined
GerSIG.

German SIG #Germany Looking for STEINKE, Augusta #germany

MaggieLourdes@...
 

My name is Margaret Lourdes. I am currently very interested in tracing my
Great, Great Grandmother, whose maiden name was Augusta Pauline STEINKE. She
was born in 1864 and resided in Posen until 1884 when she and her husband,
Michael KALIS, immigrated to the US.

She was orphaned at age 7 and was raised in a Jewish household. The professions
of those who raised her were that of teachers. It was always our understanding by
oral, family recordings that she was Jewish. However, upon marrying Michael and
coming to the US, the lineage became German Lutheran. She talked little about
her past and avoided discussing details even when directly asked.

Maggie Lourdes, Esq. Plymouth Michigan USA MaggieLourdes@...

MODERATOR NOTE: Please read the "Welcome Letter" you received when you joined
GerSIG.

Re: Writing as it sounds --- or one step further #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

First, it is not a matter of upgrade. even as you mention, not all windows machines handle accented text the same way, and there are plenty of machines that aren't running windows. (a fact that most windows users seem to forget.) simply, there is no single standard for representing accented text, so what is perfectly readable on your machine is completely unreadable on another. (before we get to accented characters, i find many windows users incapable of setting their machines to even send proper apostrophes, and so i see upside-down exclamation marks in the middle of words.)

it is entirely feasible to send accented text, in standard ascii, as: a', e', i'. o', o:, o", etc. it may take a second or two to get used to, but it has the advantage of working on EVERY device and operating system, >from cellphones to mainframes.

it would take more than money to convince the major computer manufacturers, starting with microsoft, to comply with properly established standards. (windows, for example, is a proprietary product, not an agreed-upon industry standard, like ascii.) most of them fear that such a move might free their customers to buy better computers.

second, allowing html formatting is an even bigger can of worms, because it opens the door to all sorts of maliciousness, including false addresses and worse. and it is completely unnecessary, for the effect that you want, since any modern computer system should allow you to click on a plain text url, such as http://www.jewishgen.org/hungary , without any additional code (mine certainly does).

in a much less technological vein, there used to be guides to reading hungarian on jewishgen (or was it the lds?), and it might be a good idea to dust them off, and possibly expand upon them. i vaguely recall that it was done as a pdf or a graphic, in order to avoid issues like accented text.



....... tom klein, toronto


ps. this is not meant to discourage anyone >from contributing to jewishgen - i'm sure all monetary contributions will be welcomed.

pps. dear moderator, the discussion of computer issues is definitely off-topic, but a) i didn't start it, and b) it touches on the operation of the h-sig list.


Eloedfamily@... wrote:

It is sad that jewishgen has not been able to upgrade its internet programs
to deal with the accented Hungarian characters.
<snip>

Moderator: The Hungarian SIG website includes links to several items about Hungarian language including one on pronnciation and another on use of diacritical marks. Check out these resources at http://www.jewishgen.org/Hungary/methods.htm The FHL also published a Hungarian genealogical word about five years ago that might still be available >from your local FHL or the FHL website.
It is a no-brainer if one uses PC Computers and any operating system like
Windows 98 or newer, (Like Windows MIL, 2000, XP, XP Pro etc.), the systems
nowaday most uf us use.

I would suggest, JewishGen's inability -- for whatever reason -- to update /
upgrade to the capability of dealing with ALL Hungarian characters instead
of still requiring us to compose in plain-text format, is a disservice in the
otherwise wonderful work being done.

I am also annoyed, that Internet links can not be used as clickable
references, a service that would eliminate many mistakes, errors and frustration.

I realize, as usually, it may be a question of finances to move to a
service-setup without the "plain-text" restriction.

Such a move would help those not versed in the Hungarian language to learn
while working with it, correctly spell (if at all possible) Hungarian names
and places with the proper accentuation.

What would it take?

I am sure, among us there are many who could contribute Internet-WEB space,
know-how, possibly programming etc.

I assume, there must be close to a thousand of us regularily using the
H-Sig.

How much contribution would it take?

It sure would be a great goal for 2006.

With Best Wishes to All for the Holidays,

with love

Leslie Eloed / Elo"d La'szlo' / Ladislaus Elo"d

California / USA

Moderator:

Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Writing as it sounds --- or one step further #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

First, it is not a matter of upgrade. even as you mention, not all windows machines handle accented text the same way, and there are plenty of machines that aren't running windows. (a fact that most windows users seem to forget.) simply, there is no single standard for representing accented text, so what is perfectly readable on your machine is completely unreadable on another. (before we get to accented characters, i find many windows users incapable of setting their machines to even send proper apostrophes, and so i see upside-down exclamation marks in the middle of words.)

it is entirely feasible to send accented text, in standard ascii, as: a', e', i'. o', o:, o", etc. it may take a second or two to get used to, but it has the advantage of working on EVERY device and operating system, >from cellphones to mainframes.

it would take more than money to convince the major computer manufacturers, starting with microsoft, to comply with properly established standards. (windows, for example, is a proprietary product, not an agreed-upon industry standard, like ascii.) most of them fear that such a move might free their customers to buy better computers.

second, allowing html formatting is an even bigger can of worms, because it opens the door to all sorts of maliciousness, including false addresses and worse. and it is completely unnecessary, for the effect that you want, since any modern computer system should allow you to click on a plain text url, such as http://www.jewishgen.org/hungary , without any additional code (mine certainly does).

in a much less technological vein, there used to be guides to reading hungarian on jewishgen (or was it the lds?), and it might be a good idea to dust them off, and possibly expand upon them. i vaguely recall that it was done as a pdf or a graphic, in order to avoid issues like accented text.



....... tom klein, toronto


ps. this is not meant to discourage anyone >from contributing to jewishgen - i'm sure all monetary contributions will be welcomed.

pps. dear moderator, the discussion of computer issues is definitely off-topic, but a) i didn't start it, and b) it touches on the operation of the h-sig list.


Eloedfamily@... wrote:

It is sad that jewishgen has not been able to upgrade its internet programs
to deal with the accented Hungarian characters.
<snip>

Moderator: The Hungarian SIG website includes links to several items about Hungarian language including one on pronnciation and another on use of diacritical marks. Check out these resources at http://www.jewishgen.org/Hungary/methods.htm The FHL also published a Hungarian genealogical word about five years ago that might still be available >from your local FHL or the FHL website.
It is a no-brainer if one uses PC Computers and any operating system like
Windows 98 or newer, (Like Windows MIL, 2000, XP, XP Pro etc.), the systems
nowaday most uf us use.

I would suggest, JewishGen's inability -- for whatever reason -- to update /
upgrade to the capability of dealing with ALL Hungarian characters instead
of still requiring us to compose in plain-text format, is a disservice in the
otherwise wonderful work being done.

I am also annoyed, that Internet links can not be used as clickable
references, a service that would eliminate many mistakes, errors and frustration.

I realize, as usually, it may be a question of finances to move to a
service-setup without the "plain-text" restriction.

Such a move would help those not versed in the Hungarian language to learn
while working with it, correctly spell (if at all possible) Hungarian names
and places with the proper accentuation.

What would it take?

I am sure, among us there are many who could contribute Internet-WEB space,
know-how, possibly programming etc.

I assume, there must be close to a thousand of us regularily using the
H-Sig.

How much contribution would it take?

It sure would be a great goal for 2006.

With Best Wishes to All for the Holidays,

with love

Leslie Eloed / Elo"d La'szlo' / Ladislaus Elo"d

California / USA

Moderator: