I don't know what you mean by extracts versus original
documents. Certificates are normally extractc >from the
original, and usually the entries in the master remain
with the civil authorities.

Records within the limit of privacy can usually only
be obtained by principals or next of kins and can be
ordered through the local Embassy or Consulate of
Hungary whereever you are.

Other records beyond privacy limits (post 1895) can be
obtained the same way.

The FHL for Hungary has copies of most records up to
1895 on microfilms and also many civil records up to
somewhere between 1895 and 1905/1910.

For post 1895 religious records contact the Hungarian
Jewish Archives in Budapest.

Robert Neu




--- Krystyna Duszniak <losthistories@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:

the jewishgen shtetlseeker lists: "Velke Kapusany, Nagy-Kapos, Kapusany=
48=B033' 22=B005' Slovakia 229.5 miles E of Bratislava". this sounds like=
a likely candidate.

"vada'sz" means "hunter". this would not be a usual, germanic-sounding=
jewish name, but many hungarian jews chose to "hungarianize" their last=
names (and i know at least one jewish VADASZ family). there really isn't=
such a thing as a "jewish" name.

tom klein, toronto

See I have made my usual muck up. In the family tree of the above, please
note that Sarah Segal married Samuel Rosenberg and they had two sons, Harry
and Hymie. It was Jack who married Sadie Cohen (they had two sons Harvey and
my husband Tony).
Sorry about that. I hope that someone somewhere may recognise these names
and get in touch. My husband would be so pleased.

regards

Elisabeth
Essex
U.K.

I don't know what you mean by extracts versus original
documents. Certificates are normally extractc >from the
original, and usually the entries in the master remain
with the civil authorities.

Records within the limit of privacy can usually only
be obtained by principals or next of kins and can be
ordered through the local Embassy or Consulate of
Hungary whereever you are.

Other records beyond privacy limits (post 1895) can be
obtained the same way.

The FHL for Hungary has copies of most records up to
1895 on microfilms and also many civil records up to
somewhere between 1895 and 1905/1910.

For post 1895 religious records contact the Hungarian
Jewish Archives in Budapest.

Robert Neu




--- Krystyna Duszniak <losthistories@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:

the jewishgen shtetlseeker lists: "Velke Kapusany, Nagy-Kapos, Kapusany=
48=B033' 22=B005' Slovakia 229.5 miles E of Bratislava". this sounds like=
a likely candidate.

"vada'sz" means "hunter". this would not be a usual, germanic-sounding=
jewish name, but many hungarian jews chose to "hungarianize" their last=
names (and i know at least one jewish VADASZ family). there really isn't=
such a thing as a "jewish" name.

tom klein, toronto

See I have made my usual muck up. In the family tree of the above, please
note that Sarah Segal married Samuel Rosenberg and they had two sons, Harry
and Hymie. It was Jack who married Sadie Cohen (they had two sons Harvey and
my husband Tony).
Sorry about that. I hope that someone somewhere may recognise these names
and get in touch. My husband would be so pleased.

regards

Elisabeth
Essex
U.K.

Last week Linda Rakoff and I headed north >from Bratislava to Prague (about
400ks) to continue our research. The trip took about 5hrs. (included a 45
minute lunch stop in Moravia.). The bus dropped us off at Florenc
bus/subway station where they thankfully have a baggage storage room, and
you can also purchase public transit passes for 1,3,7, or 14 days. My one
week pass cost 280kc (about $14CDN). This pass has to be validated the
first time you enter the transit system, and then you carry it with you as a
proof of payment just in case the controllers check you. The penalties are
stiff you you get caught without paying, but I am not sure of the exact
amounts. >from Florenc station you can take buses all over Europe. An
express bus to Wien (air-conditioned, WC, free coffee etc) costs 550kc.
They have two stops-one to Wien downtown, and the other at the airport.

We visited the Czech National Library which is fantastically beautiful, and
the people are so helpful. It is right near the Staromestske Namesti subway
stop. A one month library card costs 20kc (about $1CDN). We used passports
for ID, and the whole registration process took only a few minutes. Books
can be looked up in their electronic catalogue. You have to fill in request
slips and deposit them into a bin. It takes about two hours for the books to
be brought down to the studovna (reading room). This wait is no great
suffering, as right in the library complex, there is an internet cafe and
several student restaurants where the food is inexpensive (unlike the rest
of Stare Mesto) and the coffee is delicious. The scenery is wonderful with
many interesting art installations throughout the courtyards. There is also
a bag check room (no charge) where you leave your backpacks, and belongings.

We found many city directories >from the 1920's and 30's. These can be
tricky to search, as not all of them have alphabetical listings by surname.
For some towns you have to know the name of the industry in Czech/Slovak, or
the person's profession, or their street address. Some books have all
kinds of cross-indices making the research much less tedious. Some of the
directories are more like yellow pages with photos, and advertising.

Here are a few examples >from the 1937 Nakupny Poradca (Shopping Advisor). I
have selected some surnames which appear on this SIG:

1)VLADAR, Albert, Zilina, Srobarov sad 13, Pansky Krajcir (tailor)

2)JAKUBOVITS, Herman, Stefanikova 11, Tel: 48, velkoobchodnik pivom a vinom
(wholesaler-beer/wine)

3) GLASEL, Arpad, Dr. (pravotar) lawyer, Zilina, Jana Milca 5, Tel: 182

4) HONIGWACHS and Co (Honey?)-velkoobchod. kratkym a pletenym tov. ,
Legionarska u. 25,tel: 2974 Grosse Auswahl in Socken, strumpfen, Westen,..

5) VENETIANER, Ferdinand (predtym I Kramer, Presov), Kosicka c 39-41,
Obchod. drevom, stavebnym a stolarskym materialom (Wood and building
supplies)

Here are some of the other books found in the CNK (library) catalogues which
we could not find to purchase anywhere, but at least they have exemplars to
study in the reading room, or at the archives:

1) Zydowskie zabytki Cieszyna i Czeskiego Czieszyna, publ, 1999, contains
name lists
2) Zidowske Matriky HBM 1784-1949 (Lenka Matusikova, editor), publ. 1999
3) Zidovske obce na Kladensku a Slansku (Blanka Rozkosna), publ 2000
4) Zidovske Pamatky Tachovska (Jiri Fidler), publ 1998
5) Zidovsky Hrbitov v Boskovicich (Jaroslav Achab Haidler), publ 2002
6) Dotyky: Zide v Dejinach Jihlavska, publ 1998-contains deportation lists
7) Lide ghetta: postavy a postavicky zidovske Kromerize (Max Grunfeld), publ
2000
8) Sbornik z historie zidu na Kolinsku (Zuzana Miskovska), publ 1992

In addition we found some of Linda's ASCHNER relatives (Viennese branch),
who were deported to Terezin, listed in a new Czech publication (2005)which
lists business which were aryanized. This book fortunately contains several
name indices as well as a searchable CD database. We were unable to find
anything of this scope for Slovakia, but I was told that something like this
is being published there also.

Title: Arizace a arizatori
Authors: Jancik, Drahomir and Kubu, Eduard
ISBN: 80-246-1000-0

The Czech National Archive which published the 1973 jewish census is near
the Hradcanska metro stop. You cross the road, and walk about 200 up the
hill, and the building is right on the main street (133 Milady Horakove).
The Prague (1793 ) segment has been delayed, but it will hopefully be
released by December 2005. They have also published earlier censuses (sp?)
which list residents by religion. Most regions have now been sold out, but
they still have copies of "Soupis poddanych podle viry z roku 1651" for
Plzensko-Klatovsko. This is actually a two volume set.

More to follow,
Gabi

Gabriela Svatos
Richmond Hill, Ontario
E-mail: gsvatos@hotmail.com
Business E-mail: bookstore@agawa.com
Business URL: www.abe.com/home/GSVATOS

Last week Linda Rakoff and I headed north >from Bratislava to Prague (about
400ks) to continue our research. The trip took about 5hrs. (included a 45
minute lunch stop in Moravia.). The bus dropped us off at Florenc
bus/subway station where they thankfully have a baggage storage room, and
you can also purchase public transit passes for 1,3,7, or 14 days. My one
week pass cost 280kc (about $14CDN). This pass has to be validated the
first time you enter the transit system, and then you carry it with you as a
proof of payment just in case the controllers check you. The penalties are
stiff you you get caught without paying, but I am not sure of the exact
amounts. >from Florenc station you can take buses all over Europe. An
express bus to Wien (air-conditioned, WC, free coffee etc) costs 550kc.
They have two stops-one to Wien downtown, and the other at the airport.

We visited the Czech National Library which is fantastically beautiful, and
the people are so helpful. It is right near the Staromestske Namesti subway
stop. A one month library card costs 20kc (about $1CDN). We used passports
for ID, and the whole registration process took only a few minutes. Books
can be looked up in their electronic catalogue. You have to fill in request
slips and deposit them into a bin. It takes about two hours for the books to
be brought down to the studovna (reading room). This wait is no great
suffering, as right in the library complex, there is an internet cafe and
several student restaurants where the food is inexpensive (unlike the rest
of Stare Mesto) and the coffee is delicious. The scenery is wonderful with
many interesting art installations throughout the courtyards. There is also
a bag check room (no charge) where you leave your backpacks, and belongings.

We found many city directories >from the 1920's and 30's. These can be
tricky to search, as not all of them have alphabetical listings by surname.
For some towns you have to know the name of the industry in Czech/Slovak, or
the person's profession, or their street address. Some books have all
kinds of cross-indices making the research much less tedious. Some of the
directories are more like yellow pages with photos, and advertising.

Here are a few examples >from the 1937 Nakupny Poradca (Shopping Advisor). I
have selected some surnames which appear on this SIG:

1)VLADAR, Albert, Zilina, Srobarov sad 13, Pansky Krajcir (tailor)

2)JAKUBOVITS, Herman, Stefanikova 11, Tel: 48, velkoobchodnik pivom a vinom
(wholesaler-beer/wine)

3) GLASEL, Arpad, Dr. (pravotar) lawyer, Zilina, Jana Milca 5, Tel: 182

4) HONIGWACHS and Co (Honey?)-velkoobchod. kratkym a pletenym tov. ,
Legionarska u. 25,tel: 2974 Grosse Auswahl in Socken, strumpfen, Westen,..

5) VENETIANER, Ferdinand (predtym I Kramer, Presov), Kosicka c 39-41,
Obchod. drevom, stavebnym a stolarskym materialom (Wood and building
supplies)

Here are some of the other books found in the CNK (library) catalogues which
we could not find to purchase anywhere, but at least they have exemplars to
study in the reading room, or at the archives:

1) Zydowskie zabytki Cieszyna i Czeskiego Czieszyna, publ, 1999, contains
name lists
2) Zidowske Matriky HBM 1784-1949 (Lenka Matusikova, editor), publ. 1999
3) Zidovske obce na Kladensku a Slansku (Blanka Rozkosna), publ 2000
4) Zidovske Pamatky Tachovska (Jiri Fidler), publ 1998
5) Zidovsky Hrbitov v Boskovicich (Jaroslav Achab Haidler), publ 2002
6) Dotyky: Zide v Dejinach Jihlavska, publ 1998-contains deportation lists
7) Lide ghetta: postavy a postavicky zidovske Kromerize (Max Grunfeld), publ
2000
8) Sbornik z historie zidu na Kolinsku (Zuzana Miskovska), publ 1992

In addition we found some of Linda's ASCHNER relatives (Viennese branch),
who were deported to Terezin, listed in a new Czech publication (2005)which
lists business which were aryanized. This book fortunately contains several
name indices as well as a searchable CD database. We were unable to find
anything of this scope for Slovakia, but I was told that something like this
is being published there also.

Title: Arizace a arizatori
Authors: Jancik, Drahomir and Kubu, Eduard
ISBN: 80-246-1000-0

The Czech National Archive which published the 1973 jewish census is near
the Hradcanska metro stop. You cross the road, and walk about 200 up the
hill, and the building is right on the main street (133 Milady Horakove).
The Prague (1793 ) segment has been delayed, but it will hopefully be
released by December 2005. They have also published earlier censuses (sp?)
which list residents by religion. Most regions have now been sold out, but
they still have copies of "Soupis poddanych podle viry z roku 1651" for
Plzensko-Klatovsko. This is actually a two volume set.

More to follow,
Gabi

Gabriela Svatos
Richmond Hill, Ontario
E-mail: gsvatos@hotmail.com
Business E-mail: bookstore@agawa.com
Business URL: www.abe.com/home/GSVATOS

Answers in the text
Robert Neu

Ruth May <rarmay@yahoo.com> wrote:
Shalom all,
My grandfather's brother Arnold Vadasz Jacobs was born
March 4, 1880 in Velkekapusawy, Hungary. He came to
the US on Dec 2, 1923 >from Cherbourg, France, abord
the Aquitania to New York City. In Hungary he was an
attorney. I think he was a restaurant cashier in NYC.
He lived at 121 92nd Street. He died in 1970.

IF HE LIVED IN NEW YORK (MANHATTAN) THE ADDRESS IS
EITHER E OR W 92 STREET AND MORE THAN LIKELY EAST.

I know less about grandpa. His name was Kuby Jacobs
born 1867 ungary, died 1961 in Oklahoma.

Can anyone help me locate Velkekapusawy?

THIS IS NOT A HUNGARIAN BUT A SLAVIC NAME. THE
HUNGARIAN NAME WOULD BE "NAGY,,,,,,,,,,," DOUBLE
CHECK USING ORIGINAL DOCUMENTATION SUCH AS PASSPORT,
NATURALIZATION PAPERS, ETC



Was the name Vadasz Jewish?

THIS IS NOT A PARTICULARILY JEWISH NAME, THOUGH IT IS
POSSIBLE THAT SOME JEWS BEAR SUCH A NAME. IT IS A VERY
COMMON HUNGARIAN NAME AND IT MEANS "HUNTER".

Could Kuby be a diminuative for Jacob?

KUBY/KOBI COULD BE A NICKNAME FOR JACOB/JAKAB

Where shall I look next?

WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR?

Thanks in advance for your advice.

Ruth May
Bellevue, WA

JACOBS-Hungary.South Carolina>Tennesee>Oklahoma
MADANSKY(changed to May 1923)-Sudikov,
Dennevits,Ukraine>Illinois>Arkansas>Oklahoma
MICHAELSON-Ukraine>Oklahoma
GREENFIELD-South Carolina
SCHATZ-Charleston, South Carolina


All the Best from

Ruth Alexis May

Answers in the text
Robert Neu

Ruth May <rarmay@yahoo.com> wrote:
Shalom all,
My grandfather's brother Arnold Vadasz Jacobs was born
March 4, 1880 in Velkekapusawy, Hungary. He came to
the US on Dec 2, 1923 >from Cherbourg, France, abord
the Aquitania to New York City. In Hungary he was an
attorney. I think he was a restaurant cashier in NYC.
He lived at 121 92nd Street. He died in 1970.

IF HE LIVED IN NEW YORK (MANHATTAN) THE ADDRESS IS
EITHER E OR W 92 STREET AND MORE THAN LIKELY EAST.

I know less about grandpa. His name was Kuby Jacobs
born 1867 ungary, died 1961 in Oklahoma.

Can anyone help me locate Velkekapusawy?

THIS IS NOT A HUNGARIAN BUT A SLAVIC NAME. THE
HUNGARIAN NAME WOULD BE "NAGY,,,,,,,,,,," DOUBLE
CHECK USING ORIGINAL DOCUMENTATION SUCH AS PASSPORT,
NATURALIZATION PAPERS, ETC



Was the name Vadasz Jewish?

THIS IS NOT A PARTICULARILY JEWISH NAME, THOUGH IT IS
POSSIBLE THAT SOME JEWS BEAR SUCH A NAME. IT IS A VERY
COMMON HUNGARIAN NAME AND IT MEANS "HUNTER".

Could Kuby be a diminuative for Jacob?

KUBY/KOBI COULD BE A NICKNAME FOR JACOB/JAKAB

Where shall I look next?

WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR?

Thanks in advance for your advice.

Ruth May
Bellevue, WA

JACOBS-Hungary.South Carolina>Tennesee>Oklahoma
MADANSKY(changed to May 1923)-Sudikov,
Dennevits,Ukraine>Illinois>Arkansas>Oklahoma
MICHAELSON-Ukraine>Oklahoma
GREENFIELD-South Carolina
SCHATZ-Charleston, South Carolina


All the Best from

Ruth Alexis May

Original copies of these maps are available at the LDS in Salt lake
City. They are larger than letter size. Perhaps you can order
copies >from your local Family History center.

Bobby

Original copies of these maps are available at the LDS in Salt lake
City. They are larger than letter size. Perhaps you can order
copies >from your local Family History center.

Bobby

My relative supposedly wrote for the stage.
Are there any writer specific sources out there?
I have exhausted the actors and general materials.

Milton E. Botwinick
botwinick@alumni.rowan.edu
MEBotwinick@alumni.temple.edu
phila pa usa

Moderator's note: This is not specifically directed to the Yiddish stage.
However, identification of resources regarding authors for the theater may
be useful for other researchers.

My relative supposedly wrote for the stage.
Are there any writer specific sources out there?
I have exhausted the actors and general materials.

Milton E. Botwinick
botwinick@alumni.rowan.edu
MEBotwinick@alumni.temple.edu
phila pa usa

Moderator's note: This is not specifically directed to the Yiddish stage.
However, identification of resources regarding authors for the theater may
be useful for other researchers.

Dear All!

Some good news....

It is with great pride, delight and astonishment that we must report to
you all that we currently have 1063 members subscribed to our list!

A good Labor Day to everyone!
Rosanne and Paula

Dear All!

Some good news....

It is with great pride, delight and astonishment that we must report to
you all that we currently have 1063 members subscribed to our list!

A good Labor Day to everyone!
Rosanne and Paula

Have you tried searching JRI Poland and the shtetlseeker on Jewishgen.
Those are two great sources for finding towns.

Jackye Sullins

MODERATOR NOTE. This thread is now wondering off topic for JCR-UK which is
for research into Jewish Communities and Records within the UK.

My husband has been given the name of a village outside Warsaw in Poland.
This cannot be the right spelling as the village was called Mogalids. That
is the only spelling his cousin Hymie knows. He is trying to trace Segal
family. His grandfather Simon Segal was born in this village. He is
believed to have come to the U.K. to live at the end of the 19th century.

<snip>
Can someone please make sense of the village name. Or does anyone

know
of any decendants of the above.
Thank you all so much.
regards

Elisabeth
U.K. (Essex)

Does anyone know a library in London where I can consult the book
"Rosenbaums of Zell" by Strauss?

I have actually located it in a bookdealers, but I would like to have a look
before I decide whether I want to go ahead and purchase.

Regards

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)

Have you tried searching JRI Poland and the shtetlseeker on Jewishgen.
Those are two great sources for finding towns.

Jackye Sullins

MODERATOR NOTE. This thread is now wondering off topic for JCR-UK which is
for research into Jewish Communities and Records within the UK.

My husband has been given the name of a village outside Warsaw in Poland.
This cannot be the right spelling as the village was called Mogalids. That
is the only spelling his cousin Hymie knows. He is trying to trace Segal
family. His grandfather Simon Segal was born in this village. He is
believed to have come to the U.K. to live at the end of the 19th century.

<snip>
Can someone please make sense of the village name. Or does anyone

know
of any decendants of the above.
Thank you all so much.
regards

Elisabeth
U.K. (Essex)

Does anyone know a library in London where I can consult the book
"Rosenbaums of Zell" by Strauss?

I have actually located it in a bookdealers, but I would like to have a look
before I decide whether I want to go ahead and purchase.

Regards

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)