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more on names #lithuania

Nachum Tuchman
 

Hi,

I would be interested in knowing a bit about the grandfather before
commenting. However, not knowing where he lived/died, whether he was
religious or not, I will none-the-less give an answer that would apply
if the grandfather was religious and considered pious.

The talmudic term for a believer, who would never go against a
commandment (mitzvah), including Rabbinic laws, is 'Chaver'. I have
seen it mentioned in the gemorra mostly in regard to giving tithe to a
Levy (maaser) as well as truma to a Cohen. One who is not suspect in
eating produce without first giving the truma and maaser, is called a
Chaver. Sometimes, the term Chaver is used to describe a Rabbi.

Additionally, in tractate Pessachim 4b, the gemorra states that all
(including men, women and children) are trustworthy to check for
chametz prior to Pessach. The wording is 'hakol chaverim hem etzel
b'dikat chametz' - all are chaverim regarding searching for chametz.=20
When the gemorra uses the term 'hakol' =3D all, it comes to add more
than what would normally be considered proper. Hence the addition of
women and children, as well as Jewish slaves for that matter.

(I have written what I wrote only to explain the term Chaver, which is
part of the question at hand. I am not trying to start a discussion
on religion or the gemorra, and do not wish to have private
discussions on the pros or cons of such matters)

Most likely Alter's grandfather was an extremely pious person, hence
the use of the term chaver to describe him.

As to the second question, so what. Adding a name that isn't there
would be like saying that every Leib is Yehuda or Arye, and it isn't
necessarily so. I have a Moshe Leib GINZBURG, d-1935 who married a
sister of one of the Lubavitcher Rebbes, a Moshe Zeev (and not
Binyamin or Wolf), whose daughter married a great grandson of the
Maggid of Mezeritch. I'm sure most of the genners have such examples.
If you don't have the name, and the stone indicates that you don't,
don't make up. Besides, why would you want to?

As another example, my oldest son is named for the Maggid of Mezeritch
and my late brother. His name is Dov Asher. I did not give him the
Ber >from Dov Ber, and it is therefore, not part of his name. Calling
him Berele would not be correct.

Nachum Tuchman
Tekoa, Israel


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On 1/25/06, Altersolomon@aol.com <Altersolomon@aol.com> wrote:

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Could any litvaksigger help me understand the wording on my
grandfathers headstone.
It reads in Hebrew: "Hechaver Avraham Note (spelled nun tet ayin) benre=
b Itamar".

1) What would the word Hechaver refer to?

2) Would I be right to assume that Note is yiddish for Nathan and if so =
shouldn't the Hebrew word Natan have appeared before Note?
Many thanks
Alter Solomon.
--
Searching:
TUCHMAN / KLARMAN / ASPIS - Busko-Zdroj Poland, Kielce Gubernia
LIEBERMAN/KALUSHEVITZ / ZYSSMAN/TZIGUTCH - Lowicz Poland
RAIDER / REJDER / GINSBERG - Soly/Smorgon Belarus
ROSINSKY / BAYLETT / PAILET / BERNSTEIN - London
KIWI - Samter, Posen/Berlin BUETOW - Zeitz/Berlin


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Fwd: more on names #lithuania

Nachum Tuchman
 

Hi,

I would be interested in knowing a bit about the grandfather before
commenting. However, not knowing where he lived/died, whether he was
religious or not, I will none-the-less give an answer that would apply
if the grandfather was religious and considered pious.

The talmudic term for a believer, who would never go against a
commandment (mitzvah), including Rabbinic laws, is 'Chaver'. I have
seen it mentioned in the gemorra mostly in regard to giving tithe to a
Levy (maaser) as well as truma to a Cohen. One who is not suspect in
eating produce without first giving the truma and maaser, is called a
Chaver. Sometimes, the term Chaver is used to describe a Rabbi.

Additionally, in tractate Pessachim 4b, the gemorra states that all
(including men, women and children) are trustworthy to check for
chametz prior to Pessach. The wording is 'hakol chaverim hem etzel
b'dikat chametz' - all are chaverim regarding searching for chametz.=20
When the gemorra uses the term 'hakol' =3D all, it comes to add more
than what would normally be considered proper. Hence the addition of
women and children, as well as Jewish slaves for that matter.

(I have written what I wrote only to explain the term Chaver, which is
part of the question at hand. I am not trying to start a discussion
on religion or the gemorra, and do not wish to have private
discussions on the pros or cons of such matters)

Most likely Alter's grandfather was an extremely pious person, hence
the use of the term chaver to describe him.

As to the second question, so what. Adding a name that isn't there
would be like saying that every Leib is Yehuda or Arye, and it isn't
necessarily so. I have a Moshe Leib GINZBURG, d-1935 who married a
sister of one of the Lubavitcher Rebbes, a Moshe Zeev (and not
Binyamin or Wolf), whose daughter married a great grandson of the
Maggid of Mezeritch. I'm sure most of the genners have such examples.
If you don't have the name, and the stone indicates that you don't,
don't make up. Besides, why would you want to?

As another example, my oldest son is named for the Maggid of Mezeritch
and my late brother. His name is Dov Asher. I did not give him the
Ber >from Dov Ber, and it is therefore, not part of his name. Calling
him Berele would not be correct.

Nachum Tuchman
Tekoa, Israel


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


On 1/25/06, Altersolomon@aol.com <Altersolomon@aol.com> wrote:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Could any litvaksigger help me understand the wording on my
grandfathers headstone.
It reads in Hebrew: "Hechaver Avraham Note (spelled nun tet ayin) benre=
b Itamar".

1) What would the word Hechaver refer to?

2) Would I be right to assume that Note is yiddish for Nathan and if so =
shouldn't the Hebrew word Natan have appeared before Note?
Many thanks
Alter Solomon.
--
Searching:
TUCHMAN / KLARMAN / ASPIS - Busko-Zdroj Poland, Kielce Gubernia
LIEBERMAN/KALUSHEVITZ / ZYSSMAN/TZIGUTCH - Lowicz Poland
RAIDER / REJDER / GINSBERG - Soly/Smorgon Belarus
ROSINSKY / BAYLETT / PAILET / BERNSTEIN - London
KIWI - Samter, Posen/Berlin BUETOW - Zeitz/Berlin


The name Marmal #poland

Jeff Segal <jeff.segal@...>
 

Is anyone familiar with the woman's name Marmal, spelt (in Yiddish) mem
aleph resh mem aleph lamed? Could it be an equivalent of the Polish secular
name Maria? It belonged to a relative in Lublin.

I've looked on the JewishGen Given Names Database, but haven't found
anything similar.

Thanks and regards,

Jeff Segal

Researching
DORFGAJER, GRADEL, TEMPELDYNER, FRYDMAN (Lublin)
SEGAL, SAPHIER (Zbaraz)
STOLLAR, SHLOCHEVSKY (Poltava)


JRI Poland #Poland The name Marmal #poland

Jeff Segal <jeff.segal@...>
 

Is anyone familiar with the woman's name Marmal, spelt (in Yiddish) mem
aleph resh mem aleph lamed? Could it be an equivalent of the Polish secular
name Maria? It belonged to a relative in Lublin.

I've looked on the JewishGen Given Names Database, but haven't found
anything similar.

Thanks and regards,

Jeff Segal

Researching
DORFGAJER, GRADEL, TEMPELDYNER, FRYDMAN (Lublin)
SEGAL, SAPHIER (Zbaraz)
STOLLAR, SHLOCHEVSKY (Poltava)


GerSIG Box Lunch meeting set for Monday, 14 August #germany

GerSig@...
 

GerSIG members planning to attend the 2006 IAJGS Conference in New York
may now reserve places at our luncheon meeting on Monday, 14 August.

Those who have already registered for the Conference may add our $30 box lunch
to their program at the Conference website:

http://www.jgsny2006.org/

Details on how to do this were sent to subscribers of the NY 2006 Email list
yesterday.

Note: You can purchase tickets for this luncheon at any time but you
can * not * obtain a refund of the $30 fee once it has been paid except by selling
your box lunch ticket to another member.

See you in August !

John Paul Lowens - GerSIG Coordinator


German SIG #Germany GerSIG Box Lunch meeting set for Monday, 14 August #germany

GerSig@...
 

GerSIG members planning to attend the 2006 IAJGS Conference in New York
may now reserve places at our luncheon meeting on Monday, 14 August.

Those who have already registered for the Conference may add our $30 box lunch
to their program at the Conference website:

http://www.jgsny2006.org/

Details on how to do this were sent to subscribers of the NY 2006 Email list
yesterday.

Note: You can purchase tickets for this luncheon at any time but you
can * not * obtain a refund of the $30 fee once it has been paid except by selling
your box lunch ticket to another member.

See you in August !

John Paul Lowens - GerSIG Coordinator


Re: Request help finding Resistance patriots #germany

GSt <beagun27@...>
 

There is a book by or about "Varian Fry" who performed such services in
Southern France, getting people into Spain and North Africa.
Internet search for the name "Varian Fry" and you will get a bunch of references,
which may give you further leads.

Gunther Steinberg Portola Valley CA <mailto:beagun27@comcast.net>


German SIG #Germany Re: Request help finding Resistance patriots #germany

GSt <beagun27@...>
 

There is a book by or about "Varian Fry" who performed such services in
Southern France, getting people into Spain and North Africa.
Internet search for the name "Varian Fry" and you will get a bunch of references,
which may give you further leads.

Gunther Steinberg Portola Valley CA <mailto:beagun27@comcast.net>


DROZDOWITZ family #general

Viktor Lewin
 

Shalom,

I am asking for your assistance regarding information about the DROZDOWITZ
family of Plonsk and Zakroczyn . Emigrated to the U.S. - probably to Illinois
or Indiana, however there is one member of the family of whom I am very
interested ; he would be Michael, who may have drifted to Colorado .

Thank you for your help .
Regards . Viktor Lewin


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen DROZDOWITZ family #general

Viktor Lewin
 

Shalom,

I am asking for your assistance regarding information about the DROZDOWITZ
family of Plonsk and Zakroczyn . Emigrated to the U.S. - probably to Illinois
or Indiana, however there is one member of the family of whom I am very
interested ; he would be Michael, who may have drifted to Colorado .

Thank you for your help .
Regards . Viktor Lewin


Exciting News on the Licy Waller Archive #unitedkingdom

Louise Messik <louise@...>
 

This evening webmaster John Berman received an email in French which he
sent to me to translate. It is most certainly a genuine contact >from a
cousin whose father is Pierre Paul Sauer. A precis of the original French email
and others that follow tells of how Laurent Sauer fell across the website purely
by chance and is now able to piece together more of his missing family and
recognises some of the faces in the photographs on the site. His father is both
proud and excited that his son persevered with the research and came up trumps.

We have continued to correspond this evening and it is my hope that some of
the family may come to London >from Brussels to look at the originals, to
help us to piece together more of the Licy Waller story constructing perhaps
a family tree, before all the papers are put into a safe archive. I intend
to talk on the telephone to Pierre Sauer this weekend.

What a great ending to a story that has mystified many of us who have read
much of the correspondence contained at
http://www.jgsgb.org.uk/waller/waller_letters_offcialllist.php?cmd=3Drese=
tall.
Hopefully before long I shall be able to give you further updates.

Louise Messik


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Exciting News on the Licy Waller Archive #unitedkingdom

Louise Messik <louise@...>
 

This evening webmaster John Berman received an email in French which he
sent to me to translate. It is most certainly a genuine contact >from a
cousin whose father is Pierre Paul Sauer. A precis of the original French email
and others that follow tells of how Laurent Sauer fell across the website purely
by chance and is now able to piece together more of his missing family and
recognises some of the faces in the photographs on the site. His father is both
proud and excited that his son persevered with the research and came up trumps.

We have continued to correspond this evening and it is my hope that some of
the family may come to London >from Brussels to look at the originals, to
help us to piece together more of the Licy Waller story constructing perhaps
a family tree, before all the papers are put into a safe archive. I intend
to talk on the telephone to Pierre Sauer this weekend.

What a great ending to a story that has mystified many of us who have read
much of the correspondence contained at
http://www.jgsgb.org.uk/waller/waller_letters_offcialllist.php?cmd=3Drese=
tall.
Hopefully before long I shall be able to give you further updates.

Louise Messik


Warsaw cemetery #general

Paul Silverstone
 

I have a photograph taken in 1927 in Warsaw of the gravestone of my great-
grandmother. She died about 1908. How can I find out if this gravestone still
exists, as I understand some Jewish cemeteries in Warsaw remain? I can send a
scan of the photo if there is anyone who is knowledgeable about this.

Paul Silverstone
New York

Please reply privately


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Warsaw cemetery #general

Paul Silverstone
 

I have a photograph taken in 1927 in Warsaw of the gravestone of my great-
grandmother. She died about 1908. How can I find out if this gravestone still
exists, as I understand some Jewish cemeteries in Warsaw remain? I can send a
scan of the photo if there is anyone who is knowledgeable about this.

Paul Silverstone
New York

Please reply privately


SHEIN family from LIthuania #general

Dr. Trevor Waner
 

I am looking for any information about the SHEIN family >from Lithuania. The
most famous of this family was RABBI SHLOMO YAAKOV SHEIN who wrote many
books and among them Avnei Shais, in memory of his son Abba. He and his
wife brought up their nine grandchildren. I am looking for anyone who
might have information about them. Their names are: Chaim, Ester, Laser,
Mira, Moshe Hillel, Yichiel, Banius, Dora and Bluma.

Looking forward to your replies,

Trevor Waner
Rehovot, Israel
(formally Springs, South Africa)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SHEIN family from LIthuania #general

Dr. Trevor Waner
 

I am looking for any information about the SHEIN family >from Lithuania. The
most famous of this family was RABBI SHLOMO YAAKOV SHEIN who wrote many
books and among them Avnei Shais, in memory of his son Abba. He and his
wife brought up their nine grandchildren. I am looking for anyone who
might have information about them. Their names are: Chaim, Ester, Laser,
Mira, Moshe Hillel, Yichiel, Banius, Dora and Bluma.

Looking forward to your replies,

Trevor Waner
Rehovot, Israel
(formally Springs, South Africa)


Photos on Viewmate: Suwalki, Sejny, Poland + Pittsburgh PA + Tel Aviv #general

dayna reader <zoeys_mom@...>
 

I have two photos up on viewmate currently and would much appreciate it if
anyone with ties to the Suwalki region of Poland, Pittsburgh, PA and/or Tel Aviv
would take a look.

They are

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7432
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7433

Thanks very much, and please email me offline if you see any connections.

Dayna Chalif
San Francisco, CA. USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Photos on Viewmate: Suwalki, Sejny, Poland + Pittsburgh PA + Tel Aviv #general

dayna reader <zoeys_mom@...>
 

I have two photos up on viewmate currently and would much appreciate it if
anyone with ties to the Suwalki region of Poland, Pittsburgh, PA and/or Tel Aviv
would take a look.

They are

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7432
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7433

Thanks very much, and please email me offline if you see any connections.

Dayna Chalif
San Francisco, CA. USA


Viewmate # 7424: Need help with short Yiddish translation #general

Roy Ogus
 

Can someone translate this Yiddish passage >from a postcard >from Lithuania
from the 1920's for me? The image of the passage can be found at:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7424

Please respond privately.

Thanks for any help,

Roy Ogus
Palo Alto, California, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Viewmate # 7424: Need help with short Yiddish translation #general

Roy Ogus
 

Can someone translate this Yiddish passage >from a postcard >from Lithuania
from the 1920's for me? The image of the passage can be found at:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7424

Please respond privately.

Thanks for any help,

Roy Ogus
Palo Alto, California, USA