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Rav Title in Eretz Yisrael ca. 1920 #rabbinic

ben-ari <yrcdi@...>
 

Presuming that many of the members of this list are Israeli, I'd
like to examine the following:

My grandfather was born in the old city of Jerusalem (1895) and
studied in Yeshivat Etz Chaim (in Jerusalem) for several (many?)
years. He was "usually" known as "Rabbi" Chaim Yitzchak
ABRAHAMOWITZ. Among my mother's siblings there is a difference of
opinion as to whether my grandfather was a "Rabbi"-deheinu; i.e., if
he received an actual "smicha" >from an institution or >from a
specific Rav.

Am I correct to assume that in Yerushalayim of the early 20th cent.
there was no "institution" which granted or prepared for smicha as
we know it today? Are there any existing records of Talmidei
Yeshivat Etz Chaim >from that period?

He was, a shochet and menaker in various towns (Hadera, and other
places in the Sharon), and was the "Kli Kodesh" of the first Jewish
settlement of Be'er Sheva in 1920 - assigned there by the Jewish
agency who sponsored the Jewish settlement.

Who would have issued such a certificate (of schochet/menaker)
during the second decade of the twentieth cent. in Israel? The
Yeshiva (or rabbi) with whom he studied?

Thank You,

Yoni Ben-Ari
Efrat, Israel

Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Rav Title in Eretz Yisrael ca. 1920 #rabbinic

ben-ari <yrcdi@...>
 

Presuming that many of the members of this list are Israeli, I'd
like to examine the following:

My grandfather was born in the old city of Jerusalem (1895) and
studied in Yeshivat Etz Chaim (in Jerusalem) for several (many?)
years. He was "usually" known as "Rabbi" Chaim Yitzchak
ABRAHAMOWITZ. Among my mother's siblings there is a difference of
opinion as to whether my grandfather was a "Rabbi"-deheinu; i.e., if
he received an actual "smicha" >from an institution or >from a
specific Rav.

Am I correct to assume that in Yerushalayim of the early 20th cent.
there was no "institution" which granted or prepared for smicha as
we know it today? Are there any existing records of Talmidei
Yeshivat Etz Chaim >from that period?

He was, a shochet and menaker in various towns (Hadera, and other
places in the Sharon), and was the "Kli Kodesh" of the first Jewish
settlement of Be'er Sheva in 1920 - assigned there by the Jewish
agency who sponsored the Jewish settlement.

Who would have issued such a certificate (of schochet/menaker)
during the second decade of the twentieth cent. in Israel? The
Yeshiva (or rabbi) with whom he studied?

Thank You,

Yoni Ben-Ari
Efrat, Israel

searching VICTOR #poland

mavlin@...
 

I am searching for family members of Solomon VICTOR born 1837 Wroclaw
(formerly Breslau.)

Murray Victor

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JRI Poland #Poland searching VICTOR #poland

mavlin@...
 

I am searching for family members of Solomon VICTOR born 1837 Wroclaw
(formerly Breslau.)

Murray Victor

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the JewishGen Family Finder at www.jewishgen.org/jgff/

Levi Itzchak of Berdichev and MARGALIOT dynasty #rabbinic

Alexander Kott <alexkott@...>
 

I thought I would share these findings about the connection between
R' Levi Itzchak of Berdichev (herein abbreviated R'LIB) and the
MARGALIOT family (also MARGULIS, MARGOLIS, MORGULIS, etc., hereafter
MRGLT). This connection does not seem to be a common knowledge, and
may be of use to other genealogists.

According to Sh. I. Horodetsky (in "haIr Berditshov," special
edition of Yalkut Volin, edited by Baruch Karo-Krupnik, Tel-Aviv,
Nisan 1951, p.23), R'LIB's mother was named Sosa-Dvora (Shosha-
Dvora?), and she was a descendant of MaHaRSHa and of R' Moshe MRGLT
of Tarnigrad.

If correct, this explains why R' Ephraim Zalman MRGLT of Brody
referred to R'LIB as "our relative" (in his book "Tiv Gittin,"
Koretz, 1819, as quoted in Dresner S. H., "The World of a Hasidic
Master," Jason Aronson, Inc., Northvale, NJ, 1994, p.217).

This makes R'LIB a fairly close relation of well-researched MRGLT
family members. Referring to the numeration of R' Wunder's book
"Elef Margaliot," R' Moshe of Tarnigrad is person #826 and judging
by years is probably a gg-grandfather of R'LIB. R'LIB shares
R' Moshe of Tarnigrad as a common ancestor with other illustrous
MRGLTs, including "Pnei Moshe" (R' Moshe MRGLT of Sadigora, Wunder
pp.267-271), and R' Meshulam Natan MRGLT of Berdichev (see Wunder
pp.17-21), the successor of R'LIB in Berdichev. "Yad Ephraim"
(R' Ephraim Zalman MRGLT of Brody, Wunder's #910) also shares a
common ancestor with R'LIB: R' Menachem Mendel MRGLT of Premishla
(Wunder's #16).

Finally, if Sosa is a form of Sora (Sara), then one can understand
why some say that R'LIB's mother was named Sarah (e.g., Solomon A.
Horodezky, Ha-hasidut V'ha-hasidin, Jerusalem, Dvir, 1903, II, p.73,
as quoted by Matthew I. Derby, A study of Rabbi Levi Yitzhok of
Berdychev, unpublished dissertation, Hebrew Union College, 1960).

Would you have any information that reinforces or refutes this
R'LIB--MRGLT connection? I would love to hear.

Also, would you know why R'LIB was succeeded in his position in
Berdichev by a rather distant relative R' Meshulam Natan MRGLT, and
not by one of R'LIB's own well-qualified sons? Anybody has an
explanation?

Thanks to Yael Driver for first pointing out to me the Horodetsky's
assertion, and to Steve Rosen for lending the 'HaIr Berditshov'
book.

By the way, if you are interested in Berdichev, Brody and the MRGLT
family, you might refer to these websites:

http://www.geocities.com/alexkott/MRGLS-Berdichev
http://www.geocities.com/alexkott/MRGLS-Brody

Alexander Kott

Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Levi Itzchak of Berdichev and MARGALIOT dynasty #rabbinic

Alexander Kott <alexkott@...>
 

I thought I would share these findings about the connection between
R' Levi Itzchak of Berdichev (herein abbreviated R'LIB) and the
MARGALIOT family (also MARGULIS, MARGOLIS, MORGULIS, etc., hereafter
MRGLT). This connection does not seem to be a common knowledge, and
may be of use to other genealogists.

According to Sh. I. Horodetsky (in "haIr Berditshov," special
edition of Yalkut Volin, edited by Baruch Karo-Krupnik, Tel-Aviv,
Nisan 1951, p.23), R'LIB's mother was named Sosa-Dvora (Shosha-
Dvora?), and she was a descendant of MaHaRSHa and of R' Moshe MRGLT
of Tarnigrad.

If correct, this explains why R' Ephraim Zalman MRGLT of Brody
referred to R'LIB as "our relative" (in his book "Tiv Gittin,"
Koretz, 1819, as quoted in Dresner S. H., "The World of a Hasidic
Master," Jason Aronson, Inc., Northvale, NJ, 1994, p.217).

This makes R'LIB a fairly close relation of well-researched MRGLT
family members. Referring to the numeration of R' Wunder's book
"Elef Margaliot," R' Moshe of Tarnigrad is person #826 and judging
by years is probably a gg-grandfather of R'LIB. R'LIB shares
R' Moshe of Tarnigrad as a common ancestor with other illustrous
MRGLTs, including "Pnei Moshe" (R' Moshe MRGLT of Sadigora, Wunder
pp.267-271), and R' Meshulam Natan MRGLT of Berdichev (see Wunder
pp.17-21), the successor of R'LIB in Berdichev. "Yad Ephraim"
(R' Ephraim Zalman MRGLT of Brody, Wunder's #910) also shares a
common ancestor with R'LIB: R' Menachem Mendel MRGLT of Premishla
(Wunder's #16).

Finally, if Sosa is a form of Sora (Sara), then one can understand
why some say that R'LIB's mother was named Sarah (e.g., Solomon A.
Horodezky, Ha-hasidut V'ha-hasidin, Jerusalem, Dvir, 1903, II, p.73,
as quoted by Matthew I. Derby, A study of Rabbi Levi Yitzhok of
Berdychev, unpublished dissertation, Hebrew Union College, 1960).

Would you have any information that reinforces or refutes this
R'LIB--MRGLT connection? I would love to hear.

Also, would you know why R'LIB was succeeded in his position in
Berdichev by a rather distant relative R' Meshulam Natan MRGLT, and
not by one of R'LIB's own well-qualified sons? Anybody has an
explanation?

Thanks to Yael Driver for first pointing out to me the Horodetsky's
assertion, and to Steve Rosen for lending the 'HaIr Berditshov'
book.

By the way, if you are interested in Berdichev, Brody and the MRGLT
family, you might refer to these websites:

http://www.geocities.com/alexkott/MRGLS-Berdichev
http://www.geocities.com/alexkott/MRGLS-Brody

Alexander Kott

Re: my gggrandfather -an enigma? Adenda #austria-czech

t_sinai1@...
 

I stand corrected by Randol Schoenberg. I stated in my posting yesterday
" But it was impossible , at the beggining of the 19th century, that a
Jewish father, who was still alive, should call his son by his own name"..
As Randol is showing in his posting there are cases when father and son had
the same first name. It was possible but very unusual among Ashkenazi Jews.
Bear in maind that Juda REDLICH was married at the beggining of the 19th
and his son was born a few years later, while Joseph FEITLER married cca
1860.
Juda was brougt up by a Rabbi,and he remained religious, therefore he
would not call his son by his own name.

My maternal grandfather was Tsvi Herman FUCHS and Juda REDLICH was the
grandfather of my gandmother, Ernestine ( Esther ) FUCHS, nee REDLICH, from
Bisenz. She was my grandfather's second wife, an one-time pupil of his. She
told her oldest son, Dr. David Rafael FUCHS. headmaster of the Jewish highschool
in Budapest a linguist and member of the Hungarian Academy of Science, all she
knew about the family history.

Best wishes,
Tsvi Sinai, Israel

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: my gggrandfather -an enigma? Adenda #austria-czech

t_sinai1@...
 

I stand corrected by Randol Schoenberg. I stated in my posting yesterday
" But it was impossible , at the beggining of the 19th century, that a
Jewish father, who was still alive, should call his son by his own name"..
As Randol is showing in his posting there are cases when father and son had
the same first name. It was possible but very unusual among Ashkenazi Jews.
Bear in maind that Juda REDLICH was married at the beggining of the 19th
and his son was born a few years later, while Joseph FEITLER married cca
1860.
Juda was brougt up by a Rabbi,and he remained religious, therefore he
would not call his son by his own name.

My maternal grandfather was Tsvi Herman FUCHS and Juda REDLICH was the
grandfather of my gandmother, Ernestine ( Esther ) FUCHS, nee REDLICH, from
Bisenz. She was my grandfather's second wife, an one-time pupil of his. She
told her oldest son, Dr. David Rafael FUCHS. headmaster of the Jewish highschool
in Budapest a linguist and member of the Hungarian Academy of Science, all she
knew about the family history.

Best wishes,
Tsvi Sinai, Israel

Looking for information on NISSLER/NISLE KLINGER, nee LEVI (LEVY) #france

Don and Debby Painter <painter@...>
 

I am looking for more information on Nissler or Nisle KLINGER nee LEVI
or LEVY born 22.8 rep. 28.8 1881 (sources differ) in Koeingshofen near
Strasbourg. She was to have married Mosiek Srul "Max" KLINGER around
1920 probably in Dortmund, Germany.

She resided at Leopoldstr. 23 probably by 1929 and widowed by 1933.
She, her stepdaughter (Johanna) and stepson (Isidor) are deported from
Dortmund 1942. (A bit of confusion here, on the list she is listed as
wife not mother.) Her son, Hermann not until February 27, 1943.

This is all I have at the moment. If any one is able to obtain a birth
certificate for her for me or can offer any help in any way, it would be
greatly appreciated.

Debby Gincig Painter
Constantine Michigan USA

Searching: KLINGER (Lodz, Strasbourg, Dortmund), LUSTIG (Nowy Sacz),
GINCIG or GINCIG (Germany) and now LEVY or LEVI (Koeingshofen or
Strasbourg)

French SIG #France Looking for information on NISSLER/NISLE KLINGER, nee LEVI (LEVY) #france

Don and Debby Painter <painter@...>
 

I am looking for more information on Nissler or Nisle KLINGER nee LEVI
or LEVY born 22.8 rep. 28.8 1881 (sources differ) in Koeingshofen near
Strasbourg. She was to have married Mosiek Srul "Max" KLINGER around
1920 probably in Dortmund, Germany.

She resided at Leopoldstr. 23 probably by 1929 and widowed by 1933.
She, her stepdaughter (Johanna) and stepson (Isidor) are deported from
Dortmund 1942. (A bit of confusion here, on the list she is listed as
wife not mother.) Her son, Hermann not until February 27, 1943.

This is all I have at the moment. If any one is able to obtain a birth
certificate for her for me or can offer any help in any way, it would be
greatly appreciated.

Debby Gincig Painter
Constantine Michigan USA

Searching: KLINGER (Lodz, Strasbourg, Dortmund), LUSTIG (Nowy Sacz),
GINCIG or GINCIG (Germany) and now LEVY or LEVI (Koeingshofen or
Strasbourg)

Seeking: IMHOFF/Germany #general

Martin Atkinson <woopimoose@...>
 

Hello,

Does anyone have any information on the name Imhoff, maybe
from, or married at, Wittgenstein.
Another name of interest is Buschel, later changed to Bushell
from the same areal.
Thanks.

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searching VICTOR #general

mavlin@...
 

Searching for family members of Solomon VICTOR born 1837 Wroclaw
(formerly Breslau.)
Murray Victor

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking: IMHOFF/Germany #general

Martin Atkinson <woopimoose@...>
 

Hello,

Does anyone have any information on the name Imhoff, maybe
from, or married at, Wittgenstein.
Another name of interest is Buschel, later changed to Bushell
from the same areal.
Thanks.

MODERATOR NOTE: Don't forget to register all names being researched
with the Jewishgen Family Finder:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen searching VICTOR #general

mavlin@...
 

Searching for family members of Solomon VICTOR born 1837 Wroclaw
(formerly Breslau.)
Murray Victor

Seeking GOLDSTEIN #general

Pinchas <sicesp@...>
 

I am still seeking Leonard Goldstein, son of Gustav Goldstein, and/or
his sister Elsa and mother Helen. I've have both searched FTJP and
submitted,but so far my research has been unsuccessful. I may eventually
try writing to all Leonard Goldsteins, but there are many. Hope someone
may be able to help.

Peter Sices, South Bend, IN
sicesp@...
(EDELMAN(N), FRIEDMAN, GOLDSTEIN, GOLDFINGER--Hungary; TIZES, SICES,
MARCUS--Bucharest; BRAUN, SCHO(E)N--HUNGARY)

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking GOLDSTEIN #general

Pinchas <sicesp@...>
 

I am still seeking Leonard Goldstein, son of Gustav Goldstein, and/or
his sister Elsa and mother Helen. I've have both searched FTJP and
submitted,but so far my research has been unsuccessful. I may eventually
try writing to all Leonard Goldsteins, but there are many. Hope someone
may be able to help.

Peter Sices, South Bend, IN
sicesp@...
(EDELMAN(N), FRIEDMAN, GOLDSTEIN, GOLDFINGER--Hungary; TIZES, SICES,
MARCUS--Bucharest; BRAUN, SCHO(E)N--HUNGARY)

Re: R. Chaim, brother of the MaHaRaL #rabbinic

philapple@...
 

On 2005.01.03, Pascal Faustini <pascal.faustini@...> wrote:

Who knows anything about R. Chaim, brother of the MaHaRaL? (His
death, his wife, his children ... I only know that he has been ABD
of Friedberg). And who was the mother of the MaHaRaL and his
brothers?
On his web site, Daniel Loeb includes a page showing the genealogy
of the Maharal: http://www.loebtree.com/maharal.html

Phillip Applebaum

Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: R. Chaim, brother of the MaHaRaL #rabbinic

philapple@...
 

On 2005.01.03, Pascal Faustini <pascal.faustini@...> wrote:

Who knows anything about R. Chaim, brother of the MaHaRaL? (His
death, his wife, his children ... I only know that he has been ABD
of Friedberg). And who was the mother of the MaHaRaL and his
brothers?
On his web site, Daniel Loeb includes a page showing the genealogy
of the Maharal: http://www.loebtree.com/maharal.html

Phillip Applebaum

Moritz SPRONZ remembered - Breuers of the Judenrat, Vienna, contd #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

On 27th December I wrote: <As well as Moritz, his card survives... Not
surprisingly Moritz was never reunited with his postcard. His family .... may
have no idea of its existence, especially as it is indexed under SPRONR! So
here's a 2005 challenge to our SIG. If you can find Moritz SPRONZ's family you
could alert them to his historic card. This ... research ... is miraculously
possible as a result of the internet.>

Well here is the first miracle of 2005; we have found Moritz SPRONZ's grandson.
His name is Steven SPRONZ and he lives in LA. He has given me permission to
submit this posting. Steven had no idea of the existence of this card written
by his beloved "Papa" to the BREUERs of the Judenrat in Vienna [who to Steven's
knowledge, Papa never mentioned after the war] whilst he was incarcerated in
Theresienstadt.

Given the fact that the postcard contained a preprinted statement of thanks,
with only the name of the sender of the package and the signature of the inmate
to be filled in, Steven concludes that the Theresienstadt inmates might have
been *encouraged* by the camp authorities to write such postcards, thus
perpetuating the illusion of the purported paradise ghetto. Moreover, writing
the postcard does not prove that the signer ever received any package.

The testimonial for "SPRONZ" at Yad Vashem was posted by the niece of Moritz
SPRONZ; she was born and raised in Slovakia (Poesen). If you look at the SSDI
index you will see the Moritz SPRONZ [born Verbo, 24 Nov 1887] died in Seaford,
Nassau County, NY in June 1976 -so after his terrible ordeal, he happily had a
long life ahead of him.

And another interesting point is revealed if you search the internet. Steven
himself wrote: It appears that instead of coming out of the caves in Slovakia,
the Spronz family - originally Speranza - hails >from Italy, probably the southern
area near Naples ...

http://www.bmv.org.il/Shiurim/sanhedrin/san090.html

I hope that there are many more exciting discoveries to come in 2005.

Celia Male [UK]

PS: If anyone wishes to know more about Moritz SPRONZ's ordeal in Theresienstadt,
please write to me privately.

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Moritz SPRONZ remembered - Breuers of the Judenrat, Vienna, contd #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

On 27th December I wrote: <As well as Moritz, his card survives... Not
surprisingly Moritz was never reunited with his postcard. His family .... may
have no idea of its existence, especially as it is indexed under SPRONR! So
here's a 2005 challenge to our SIG. If you can find Moritz SPRONZ's family you
could alert them to his historic card. This ... research ... is miraculously
possible as a result of the internet.>

Well here is the first miracle of 2005; we have found Moritz SPRONZ's grandson.
His name is Steven SPRONZ and he lives in LA. He has given me permission to
submit this posting. Steven had no idea of the existence of this card written
by his beloved "Papa" to the BREUERs of the Judenrat in Vienna [who to Steven's
knowledge, Papa never mentioned after the war] whilst he was incarcerated in
Theresienstadt.

Given the fact that the postcard contained a preprinted statement of thanks,
with only the name of the sender of the package and the signature of the inmate
to be filled in, Steven concludes that the Theresienstadt inmates might have
been *encouraged* by the camp authorities to write such postcards, thus
perpetuating the illusion of the purported paradise ghetto. Moreover, writing
the postcard does not prove that the signer ever received any package.

The testimonial for "SPRONZ" at Yad Vashem was posted by the niece of Moritz
SPRONZ; she was born and raised in Slovakia (Poesen). If you look at the SSDI
index you will see the Moritz SPRONZ [born Verbo, 24 Nov 1887] died in Seaford,
Nassau County, NY in June 1976 -so after his terrible ordeal, he happily had a
long life ahead of him.

And another interesting point is revealed if you search the internet. Steven
himself wrote: It appears that instead of coming out of the caves in Slovakia,
the Spronz family - originally Speranza - hails >from Italy, probably the southern
area near Naples ...

http://www.bmv.org.il/Shiurim/sanhedrin/san090.html

I hope that there are many more exciting discoveries to come in 2005.

Celia Male [UK]

PS: If anyone wishes to know more about Moritz SPRONZ's ordeal in Theresienstadt,
please write to me privately.