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Re: GOETZ of Bensheim-Germany
#germany
hansmartin unger <hansmartin.unger@...>
I'm looking for descendants of
Babette GOETZ ( o-Umlaut) born 2.1.1844 Bensheim-Bergstrasse - died 30.1.1891 Heppenheim-Bergstrasse married MAINZER the dates of death of Jacob MAINZER of Heppenheim-Bergstrasse born 5.9.1874 Charlotte MAINZER born 20.9.1875 and married to...BLUM Richard BLUM born in Copenhagen-Danmark father: Robert BLUM other: unknown Richard BLUM lived and died(?) in San Diego Very best, Hansmartin Unger, St.Gallen, Switzerland
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German SIG #Germany Re: GOETZ of Bensheim-Germany
#germany
hansmartin unger <hansmartin.unger@...>
I'm looking for descendants of
Babette GOETZ ( o-Umlaut) born 2.1.1844 Bensheim-Bergstrasse - died 30.1.1891 Heppenheim-Bergstrasse married MAINZER the dates of death of Jacob MAINZER of Heppenheim-Bergstrasse born 5.9.1874 Charlotte MAINZER born 20.9.1875 and married to...BLUM Richard BLUM born in Copenhagen-Danmark father: Robert BLUM other: unknown Richard BLUM lived and died(?) in San Diego Very best, Hansmartin Unger, St.Gallen, Switzerland
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Re: KRATZER family line
#germany
Roger Lustig
Dear Kellie Ann:
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Do you have any reason to believe that these people were Jewish at any time? Their given names do not suggest that they were Jewish when the records you cite were created. "Johann" would have been extremely rare; moreover, Ashkenazic Jews did not name sons after living fathers, grandfathers, etc. On top of that, in the early part of the 18thC, most Jews in Germany did not use hereditary surnames. To be sure, those in cities often used them, though not as strictly as we do today; and the name FUCHS was known very early on in Frankfurt/Main. Of course, the vast majority of Germans named FUCHS was not Jewish either. KRATZER does not appear at all in Lars Menk's dictionary of German-Jewish surnames, and KRATZ only appears rarely among Jews. Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ USA Research co-ordinator, GerSIG Kellie Ann Peterson wrote:
I am looking for information on Johan Philip KRATZER. He was born in
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German SIG #Germany Re: KRATZER family line
#germany
Roger Lustig
Dear Kellie Ann:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Do you have any reason to believe that these people were Jewish at any time? Their given names do not suggest that they were Jewish when the records you cite were created. "Johann" would have been extremely rare; moreover, Ashkenazic Jews did not name sons after living fathers, grandfathers, etc. On top of that, in the early part of the 18thC, most Jews in Germany did not use hereditary surnames. To be sure, those in cities often used them, though not as strictly as we do today; and the name FUCHS was known very early on in Frankfurt/Main. Of course, the vast majority of Germans named FUCHS was not Jewish either. KRATZER does not appear at all in Lars Menk's dictionary of German-Jewish surnames, and KRATZ only appears rarely among Jews. Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ USA Research co-ordinator, GerSIG Kellie Ann Peterson wrote:
I am looking for information on Johan Philip KRATZER. He was born in
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FW: HENRI & ZINO DAVIDOFF
#ukraine
a1steve's rubbish removals <a1steve@...>
Dear All
Henri DAVIDOFF/DAVYDOVA was a tobacco merchant in Podil, Kiev. His son, Zino/Zinovy/Zinoviem was born in 1906. There were also other children. In 1911, the family left for Geneva, Switzerland, where Henri opened a tobacco shop at 1 Rue de Rive. Zino became a tobacco merchant as well as a perfumer, and was the creator of the famous Cuban Davidoff cigar. Zino passed away in 1994, and is buried at the Cimetiere des Rois in Geneva. I am seeking information about Henri's background. There may also be links to RABINOVITCH and OGIN/OGINSKY. Many thanks Naomi Ogin a1steve@... Brisbane Searching: BENDEL, BIRK, BRESNARK, BRILLIANT, COVERMAN, DAVIDOVITCH, DECORVICK, FELDMAN, GLASS, GREENBERG, GOLD, GROSSMAN, KATZ, KRAMER, KOSSANSKY, LEBIS, LISEYZNSKI, MANN, MELNICK, NATHAN, OGIN, POLIAKOFF, RABIN/OVITCH, RANDALL, RUBE/INSTEIN, STEIN/STONE, TISMAN/TISHMAN/TIESMAN/TESMAN, WILSON/WOOLFSON
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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine FW: HENRI & ZINO DAVIDOFF
#ukraine
a1steve's rubbish removals <a1steve@...>
Dear All
Henri DAVIDOFF/DAVYDOVA was a tobacco merchant in Podil, Kiev. His son, Zino/Zinovy/Zinoviem was born in 1906. There were also other children. In 1911, the family left for Geneva, Switzerland, where Henri opened a tobacco shop at 1 Rue de Rive. Zino became a tobacco merchant as well as a perfumer, and was the creator of the famous Cuban Davidoff cigar. Zino passed away in 1994, and is buried at the Cimetiere des Rois in Geneva. I am seeking information about Henri's background. There may also be links to RABINOVITCH and OGIN/OGINSKY. Many thanks Naomi Ogin a1steve@... Brisbane Searching: BENDEL, BIRK, BRESNARK, BRILLIANT, COVERMAN, DAVIDOVITCH, DECORVICK, FELDMAN, GLASS, GREENBERG, GOLD, GROSSMAN, KATZ, KRAMER, KOSSANSKY, LEBIS, LISEYZNSKI, MANN, MELNICK, NATHAN, OGIN, POLIAKOFF, RABIN/OVITCH, RANDALL, RUBE/INSTEIN, STEIN/STONE, TISMAN/TISHMAN/TIESMAN/TESMAN, WILSON/WOOLFSON
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Re: Female "circumcision"
#unitedkingdom
Wegner, Peter
A recent contributor wrote:
"All Jewish boys, with rare exceptions, are circumcised. Muslim boys (and girls) are usually circumcised" It is important to note that unlike Muslim boys, the girls are not automatically subjected to circumcision. Neither male nor male circumcision is mentioned in the Qur'an and neither is required by Shari'a law. In the case of boys, the practice rests purely on oral "hadith" accounts of Abraham circumcising his son Ishmael (traditionally perceived as the ancestor of the Arab people) as recorded in Gen. 17:25. Female genital cutting is an ancient cultural phenomenon in many African (and some non-African) countries. The fact that it pre-dated by centuries the arrival of Islam in those countries is what makes it so hard to stamp out. Actually, the secular law codes of some Muslim countries (e.g. Egypt) prohibit female circumcision; but even so, it does persist in places where it was firmly entrenched long before Islam. Judith Romney Wegner jrw@brown.
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JGS Oregon: September 16th Monthly Program Meeting
#ukraine
Ronald D. Doctor <rondoctor@...>
JGS of Oregon Monthly Program Meeting:
Tuesday September 16, 2008 Two Part Program, 7:00 pm to 9:00 pm: Open Discussion led by JGSO Board about "Genealogy Successes and Successful Techniques" plus "Beshert", a short film by Rick Kolinksky illustrating his discoveries on a visit to his ancestral villages in Ukraine Place: Ahavath Achim Synagogue 3225 SW Barbur Blvd Portland, Oregon Doors open at 6:45 pm. For more information, please contact Barbara Hershey: Barbara.Hershey@..., or visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~orjgs <http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Eorjgs>.
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JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re: Female "circumcision"
#unitedkingdom
Wegner, Peter
A recent contributor wrote:
"All Jewish boys, with rare exceptions, are circumcised. Muslim boys (and girls) are usually circumcised" It is important to note that unlike Muslim boys, the girls are not automatically subjected to circumcision. Neither male nor male circumcision is mentioned in the Qur'an and neither is required by Shari'a law. In the case of boys, the practice rests purely on oral "hadith" accounts of Abraham circumcising his son Ishmael (traditionally perceived as the ancestor of the Arab people) as recorded in Gen. 17:25. Female genital cutting is an ancient cultural phenomenon in many African (and some non-African) countries. The fact that it pre-dated by centuries the arrival of Islam in those countries is what makes it so hard to stamp out. Actually, the secular law codes of some Muslim countries (e.g. Egypt) prohibit female circumcision; but even so, it does persist in places where it was firmly entrenched long before Islam. Judith Romney Wegner jrw@brown.
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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine JGS Oregon: September 16th Monthly Program Meeting
#ukraine
Ronald D. Doctor <rondoctor@...>
JGS of Oregon Monthly Program Meeting:
Tuesday September 16, 2008 Two Part Program, 7:00 pm to 9:00 pm: Open Discussion led by JGSO Board about "Genealogy Successes and Successful Techniques" plus "Beshert", a short film by Rick Kolinksky illustrating his discoveries on a visit to his ancestral villages in Ukraine Place: Ahavath Achim Synagogue 3225 SW Barbur Blvd Portland, Oregon Doors open at 6:45 pm. For more information, please contact Barbara Hershey: Barbara.Hershey@..., or visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~orjgs <http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Eorjgs>.
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ShtetLinks Project Report for August 2008 - Correction
#unitedkingdom
Susana Leistner Bloch
The correct URLs for the following new ShtetLinks webpages are:
Chabanivka (Bacsava, Bacovo, Batschive), Ukraine Created by Marshall Katz http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Chabanivka/ ~~~~~ Kolonja Izaaka (Kolonia Isaaka, Isakova), Belarus Created by Irwin Keller http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Kolonja/home.html Susana Leistner Bloch, JewishGen VP, ShtetLinks
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JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom ShtetLinks Project Report for August 2008 - Correction
#unitedkingdom
Susana Leistner Bloch
The correct URLs for the following new ShtetLinks webpages are:
Chabanivka (Bacsava, Bacovo, Batschive), Ukraine Created by Marshall Katz http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Chabanivka/ ~~~~~ Kolonja Izaaka (Kolonia Isaaka, Isakova), Belarus Created by Irwin Keller http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Kolonja/home.html Susana Leistner Bloch, JewishGen VP, ShtetLinks
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Searching for Information on Rebecca Moss-Keller
#unitedkingdom
Jeni ArmandezZiara <jeni.armandez@...>
Hello! I am searching for information on my grandmother, Rebecca Keller (nee MOSCOVITCH and anglicized to MOSS). Granny came to London (Whitechapel) around 1918 and later married Theodore Fairfield Keller. They had four children: Stella Rachel, David, Victor and my mum, Judith. In the early 1940's, the family moved to Norwich.
I know where Granny was born and where she is buried in Norwich, as well as the Keller family side. What I am looking for is probably some information >from the Whitechapel time (1918-1935). She had two sisters, Brenda and Renee (all deceased). I believe Brenda had a daughter, Jackie who still lives in England today. I believe the great-grandparents would be buried in London as mum recalls visiting them when she was little. My other great-grandparents are buried at Edmonton Cem. Does anyone know if it is possible to track? I would like to find out the names of my grandmother's parents for further research about her family in Rumania, as well as pay respect when I visit in a few months. Thanks in advance for your help! Jeni Armandez Los Angeles, CA Searching for: MOSCOVITCH, KELLER, EITIG, SCHONFELD, DINE, ALTIT, GRINBERG, HENSCHEL AND ARNDT.
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JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Searching for Information on Rebecca Moss-Keller
#unitedkingdom
Jeni ArmandezZiara <jeni.armandez@...>
Hello! I am searching for information on my grandmother, Rebecca Keller (nee MOSCOVITCH and anglicized to MOSS). Granny came to London (Whitechapel) around 1918 and later married Theodore Fairfield Keller. They had four children: Stella Rachel, David, Victor and my mum, Judith. In the early 1940's, the family moved to Norwich.
I know where Granny was born and where she is buried in Norwich, as well as the Keller family side. What I am looking for is probably some information >from the Whitechapel time (1918-1935). She had two sisters, Brenda and Renee (all deceased). I believe Brenda had a daughter, Jackie who still lives in England today. I believe the great-grandparents would be buried in London as mum recalls visiting them when she was little. My other great-grandparents are buried at Edmonton Cem. Does anyone know if it is possible to track? I would like to find out the names of my grandmother's parents for further research about her family in Rumania, as well as pay respect when I visit in a few months. Thanks in advance for your help! Jeni Armandez Los Angeles, CA Searching for: MOSCOVITCH, KELLER, EITIG, SCHONFELD, DINE, ALTIT, GRINBERG, HENSCHEL AND ARNDT.
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Pinnye Tzipershteyn z"l married to Khaika nee Vurgait z"l
#ukraine
Avraham Y. Kahana
I'm trying to finally reach a new evidence on my mother's family
research, TZIPERSHTEYN'S >from Bessarabia, old Romania/Moldova now Ukraine (cities they might have lived in: Lipcani/Lipkany, Secureni/Sokiryany, Kitay Gorod). This week I came across a 2 Yad Vashem testimonial pages that I did already analyzed in the past, but just didn't connect the facts as I did this time. I think the chances these pages refer to my mother's great uncle are 95%. These pages give the following information: Pinnye Tzipershteyn, married to Khaika nee Vurgait, a couple that lived in Lipcani - both deceased in the Shoa. They had one daughter (if this Pinnye is the one I think he is, then they might have had 3, according to my family tree) called Brani Tzipershteyn z"l - born in Lipcani who also lost her life in the Holocaust. Yesterday I started my quest on doing everything I can to follow this track till the end, I searched the israeli phone directory for the surname of the submitter of the testimonial page, found only one match, called the person, figured out it wasn't the one recorded in the phone directory, was her son. He gave me the telephone of her mother, who I called today, to find out that she's the daughter of the submitter, who is already deceased, and, unfortunately, she doesn't have any information herself to add. She's going to give me phone numbers of relatives who, with luck, may help me with something. In the meantime, I decided to post this message in the hope someone else did ever hear about one of these 2 families, >from this locations or surroundings. These Vurgaits seem to have ended in Israel. I know part of my Tzipershteyns ended in US, I just haven't been able to locate them yet. I know Pinnye's brother, Joseph z"l, became Zipperstein and lived in Milwaukee. Another Pinnye's child, David, also made it to US, and became David Stein z"l, having lived in Los Angeles. Please reply back in case you have any piece of information to add. Anything is relevant. Thank you in advance, Avraham Yehoshua Kahana Raanana Israel Seeking: Poland: KANO [Zychlin, Wiskitki, Granica, Gniewoszow], SOCHACZEWSKI [Lodz], SZCZUCZYNER/SZCECINER [Wyszogrod], SKROBEK, MANDELBAUM, AJZENBERG, HORCHSTEIN [Warszawa] Moldova: GIVERTS and FRAIMAN [Kishinev(Chisinau), Kalarash(Calarasi)] Ukraine: ROZMARIN, SCHECHTMAN [Sokiryany(Secureni)], BERENSHTEYN [Sokiryany, Briceva], TZIPERSHTEYN [Kitay Gorod], KOIFMAN, TRACHTENBERG, VAISENBERG, BARAFF [Romankivsty]
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Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Pinnye Tzipershteyn z"l married to Khaika nee Vurgait z"l
#ukraine
Avraham Y. Kahana
I'm trying to finally reach a new evidence on my mother's family
research, TZIPERSHTEYN'S >from Bessarabia, old Romania/Moldova now Ukraine (cities they might have lived in: Lipcani/Lipkany, Secureni/Sokiryany, Kitay Gorod). This week I came across a 2 Yad Vashem testimonial pages that I did already analyzed in the past, but just didn't connect the facts as I did this time. I think the chances these pages refer to my mother's great uncle are 95%. These pages give the following information: Pinnye Tzipershteyn, married to Khaika nee Vurgait, a couple that lived in Lipcani - both deceased in the Shoa. They had one daughter (if this Pinnye is the one I think he is, then they might have had 3, according to my family tree) called Brani Tzipershteyn z"l - born in Lipcani who also lost her life in the Holocaust. Yesterday I started my quest on doing everything I can to follow this track till the end, I searched the israeli phone directory for the surname of the submitter of the testimonial page, found only one match, called the person, figured out it wasn't the one recorded in the phone directory, was her son. He gave me the telephone of her mother, who I called today, to find out that she's the daughter of the submitter, who is already deceased, and, unfortunately, she doesn't have any information herself to add. She's going to give me phone numbers of relatives who, with luck, may help me with something. In the meantime, I decided to post this message in the hope someone else did ever hear about one of these 2 families, >from this locations or surroundings. These Vurgaits seem to have ended in Israel. I know part of my Tzipershteyns ended in US, I just haven't been able to locate them yet. I know Pinnye's brother, Joseph z"l, became Zipperstein and lived in Milwaukee. Another Pinnye's child, David, also made it to US, and became David Stein z"l, having lived in Los Angeles. Please reply back in case you have any piece of information to add. Anything is relevant. Thank you in advance, Avraham Yehoshua Kahana Raanana Israel Seeking: Poland: KANO [Zychlin, Wiskitki, Granica, Gniewoszow], SOCHACZEWSKI [Lodz], SZCZUCZYNER/SZCECINER [Wyszogrod], SKROBEK, MANDELBAUM, AJZENBERG, HORCHSTEIN [Warszawa] Moldova: GIVERTS and FRAIMAN [Kishinev(Chisinau), Kalarash(Calarasi)] Ukraine: ROZMARIN, SCHECHTMAN [Sokiryany(Secureni)], BERENSHTEYN [Sokiryany, Briceva], TZIPERSHTEYN [Kitay Gorod], KOIFMAN, TRACHTENBERG, VAISENBERG, BARAFF [Romankivsty]
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Czech Katastral Maps
#austria-czech
Peter Lowe <Peter.Lowe@...>
A while ago I was enquiring about location of maps giving the Katastral
house numbers. I've just come across the webpages that give you some of this information for the present day. I've only looked at Prague so far which gives you maps at 1:500 with the required c.p. numbers and textual information on owners. The map is here: http://nahlizenidokn.cuzk.cz/Mapa.aspx?typ=CR&id=0 The search page is here: http://nahlizenidokn.cuzk.cz/VyberBudovu.aspx?typ=budova Under "Obec" , select your town. I left "Typ budovy" at its default. Then under "Budova", and Cast obce select the district, e.g I was looking for a house in Prague_Vinohrady. Under "Cislo Budovy", enter the c.p. house number I was looking for house 434, which according to the death certificate of my great-grandfather was where he died in 1926. So I entered 434 and pressed "Vyhledat" This leads to details of the land parcel/house, including the current street name and number ( in this case Celakovskeho Sady 8) and a hyperlink to the map, labelled "Zobrazeni v mape" The site is totally in Czech, so hopefully Czech speakers can explain more fully Regards Peter Lowe Hertford, England
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about retrieving (modest) assets
#austria-czech
Jean Lowenstamm <jean.lowenstamm@...>
Hello,
I am writing in the hope that someone in the group will be able to advise me. One of my relatives left Vienna on a Kindertransport after the Nazis took over. He later settled in the US, and passed away last year. The Austrian government paid him a modest compensation for the loss of his family and the money has been deposited in a bank account with an Austrian bank in Vienna. Before he died, my relative left instructions with his children as to how that money should be used. Because I am geographically closer to Vienna and often go there on business, I have agreed to help them retrieve those assets. The bank claims that a) the intervention of a court is necessary before the money can be released to my relative's heirs, and b) that legal proceedings have to be handled by a lawyer. I imagine others on the list have had similar experiences, and I would be grateful if someone can tell me whether the bank is correct in claiming the above. Please reply privately. Thanks very much, Jean Lowenstamm Paris
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Confusing tombstone inscriptions in Vienna
#austria-czech
Celia Male <celiamale@...>
With reference to this correspondence, please look at this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cam37/668227490/ Click on "all sizes" above the picture. My great-aunt, Hermine SCHIFFMANN {nee KOHN} obviously had her name and date of birth engraved on the tombstone after her husband died, in preparation for her death - there was no death date. In the event, she was deported and I had to enter the sad death details. There was also room to add details of my gt-aunt, Elsa KERNER [was KOHN]. I am not sure how often this occurred. I have never seen any other tombstones with just the name and birth date and the death date left blank. That is how I found this tombstone. Celia Male, London U.K.
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Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Czech Katastral Maps
#austria-czech
Peter Lowe <Peter.Lowe@...>
A while ago I was enquiring about location of maps giving the Katastral
house numbers. I've just come across the webpages that give you some of this information for the present day. I've only looked at Prague so far which gives you maps at 1:500 with the required c.p. numbers and textual information on owners. The map is here: http://nahlizenidokn.cuzk.cz/Mapa.aspx?typ=CR&id=0 The search page is here: http://nahlizenidokn.cuzk.cz/VyberBudovu.aspx?typ=budova Under "Obec" , select your town. I left "Typ budovy" at its default. Then under "Budova", and Cast obce select the district, e.g I was looking for a house in Prague_Vinohrady. Under "Cislo Budovy", enter the c.p. house number I was looking for house 434, which according to the death certificate of my great-grandfather was where he died in 1926. So I entered 434 and pressed "Vyhledat" This leads to details of the land parcel/house, including the current street name and number ( in this case Celakovskeho Sady 8) and a hyperlink to the map, labelled "Zobrazeni v mape" The site is totally in Czech, so hopefully Czech speakers can explain more fully Regards Peter Lowe Hertford, England
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