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looking for details about Ephraim Sieff from Manchester #unitedkingdom

Oscar Friedman <oscar.friedman@...>
 

Hello Friends
Once before I was searching for the Ziv Family (Sieff ) in England but with not much success , except meeting and talking with great people like Ann Rabinowitz , Chaim Freedman , Peter Arnold and others

I am trying to find a tombstone of Ephraim Sieff - father of Israel Sieff who came >from Lithuania (Ariogala) about mid of 1890 or so to England and lived in Manchester and as much we know should be buried there near by

There is a traditional story about his father that came >from Kelme , but there is no proof about it

We believe the Father of Ephraim should be >from Ariogala

The Sieff family is probably well known in the UK , but unfortunately do not cooperate about the history of the family .
Any assistance , lead or details about capability to collect more information ,will be very much appreciated

Wish you all great and sweat New Year which is coming very soon

Oscar Friedman - Israel


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom looking for details about Ephraim Sieff from Manchester #unitedkingdom

Oscar Friedman <oscar.friedman@...>
 

Hello Friends
Once before I was searching for the Ziv Family (Sieff ) in England but with not much success , except meeting and talking with great people like Ann Rabinowitz , Chaim Freedman , Peter Arnold and others

I am trying to find a tombstone of Ephraim Sieff - father of Israel Sieff who came >from Lithuania (Ariogala) about mid of 1890 or so to England and lived in Manchester and as much we know should be buried there near by

There is a traditional story about his father that came >from Kelme , but there is no proof about it

We believe the Father of Ephraim should be >from Ariogala

The Sieff family is probably well known in the UK , but unfortunately do not cooperate about the history of the family .
Any assistance , lead or details about capability to collect more information ,will be very much appreciated

Wish you all great and sweat New Year which is coming very soon

Oscar Friedman - Israel


1897 Russian Empire Census #ukraine

Blake Fleisher <blake@...>
 

I was browsing on the internet for the 1897 Russian Empire Census and
clicked on the eastview.com link. They claim to sell the 1897 Russian
Empire Census on CD-Rom and microfiche. Is this the actual census document
or an index? It was under my impression that you could only get the records
from an archive.
http://www.eastview.com/xq/ASP/sku=RC000049/active_tab=1/qx/
research-collections/product_view.asp

Thank you,

Blake FLEISHER

Researching:
STAVCHANSKY and NUDELMAN- Khoshchevatoye, Ukraine
FLEISHER- Khemelnitski, Ukraine
SCHIFFMAN- Probezhna, Ukraine


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine 1897 Russian Empire Census #ukraine

Blake Fleisher <blake@...>
 

I was browsing on the internet for the 1897 Russian Empire Census and
clicked on the eastview.com link. They claim to sell the 1897 Russian
Empire Census on CD-Rom and microfiche. Is this the actual census document
or an index? It was under my impression that you could only get the records
from an archive.
http://www.eastview.com/xq/ASP/sku=RC000049/active_tab=1/qx/
research-collections/product_view.asp

Thank you,

Blake FLEISHER

Researching:
STAVCHANSKY and NUDELMAN- Khoshchevatoye, Ukraine
FLEISHER- Khemelnitski, Ukraine
SCHIFFMAN- Probezhna, Ukraine


Seeking Paul Auster #galicia

Alan Weiser <alanboy@...>
 

Seeking current email address for Kolomea Research group member,
Paul Auster.

Alan Weiser, Coordinator KRG
alanboy@starpower.net
Silver Spring, MD


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Seeking Paul Auster #galicia

Alan Weiser <alanboy@...>
 

Seeking current email address for Kolomea Research group member,
Paul Auster.

Alan Weiser, Coordinator KRG
alanboy@starpower.net
Silver Spring, MD


GANTOVNIKS in Vidzy/Widze (now Belarus). #belarus

Eric Svirskis
 

Dear Genners,

from time to time I have asked about my maternal ggm Frejda GANTOVNIK (b.
Stayachisock between 1851 & 1861, died 1937) but lived in Vidzy (now
Belarus). She married Leon FLEXER in 1878. It is believed that all
GANTOVNIKS or GONTOVNIKS (which may be more correct, according to Howard
Gontovnik) originate in Stayachisok but I have not been able to tie her in
with anything so far that I have found.

It seems that there was also a Rachel/Rakhel GANTOVNIK also in Vidzy who
was related (connection unknown) but that would have been her married name!
The Pages of Testimony show she was born in 1892, in Widze (sic), & had a
child aged 12 in 1941 (year of her death). I do not know about the child.
This information was submitted by Yisrael GENTON in 1955. I am told that
family members live in Israel and now call themselves GAN. In browsing I
wonder if there are other variations (e.g. GENTON, as above) as I have also
seen the surname GAN TOV.

I am interested in information on my family also how they are related to
each other and fit into the overall GANTOVNIK/GONTOVNIK picture.

Please reply privately.

Eric Svirskis,
Melbourne, Australia.
svire@melbpc.org.au

Interested in: FLEXER, GANTOVNIK, GESKIN, GROSSBEIN, MUSZKATBLAT, OKUN,
SRAGOWITZ, SVIRSKI, SVIRSKIS or SWIRSKY, & ZILBERMAN - mainly from
Lithuania: Danilovichiai/Draustine, Dolhinov, Kovno/Kaunas,
Panevesz/Panecevysz, and Widze/Vidzy (now Belarus).


Belarus SIG #Belarus GANTOVNIKS in Vidzy/Widze (now Belarus). #belarus

Eric Svirskis
 

Dear Genners,

from time to time I have asked about my maternal ggm Frejda GANTOVNIK (b.
Stayachisock between 1851 & 1861, died 1937) but lived in Vidzy (now
Belarus). She married Leon FLEXER in 1878. It is believed that all
GANTOVNIKS or GONTOVNIKS (which may be more correct, according to Howard
Gontovnik) originate in Stayachisok but I have not been able to tie her in
with anything so far that I have found.

It seems that there was also a Rachel/Rakhel GANTOVNIK also in Vidzy who
was related (connection unknown) but that would have been her married name!
The Pages of Testimony show she was born in 1892, in Widze (sic), & had a
child aged 12 in 1941 (year of her death). I do not know about the child.
This information was submitted by Yisrael GENTON in 1955. I am told that
family members live in Israel and now call themselves GAN. In browsing I
wonder if there are other variations (e.g. GENTON, as above) as I have also
seen the surname GAN TOV.

I am interested in information on my family also how they are related to
each other and fit into the overall GANTOVNIK/GONTOVNIK picture.

Please reply privately.

Eric Svirskis,
Melbourne, Australia.
svire@melbpc.org.au

Interested in: FLEXER, GANTOVNIK, GESKIN, GROSSBEIN, MUSZKATBLAT, OKUN,
SRAGOWITZ, SVIRSKI, SVIRSKIS or SWIRSKY, & ZILBERMAN - mainly from
Lithuania: Danilovichiai/Draustine, Dolhinov, Kovno/Kaunas,
Panevesz/Panecevysz, and Widze/Vidzy (now Belarus).


Sue Levy
 

I would very much like to hear >from anyone who has the surname NOGA (or
variant) in their family tree. My grandfather was born Gershon Noga but
changed his name to George Finley after settling in England around 1900. He
was Polish. I believe the word means 'foot' in Russian and related
languages.

Any help in locating others of this name, or their place of origin, would be
appreciated.

Sue Levy
Perth, Australia
GUTMAN, WEINER, WESTERMAN(all Latvia), NOGA.


Re: Jewish communities in Britain, 18th century #unitedkingdom

Irina Fridman
 

Dear Genners,

Thank you very much for the replies. Your answers do help a lot, however I'm still puzzled:
1. Daniel Maccabeth a Low Country> [cf. Holland/Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg] is a quote >from the cathedral book c.1681, so in any case the person in question had to identify himself bfore he received some money. OK, I probably can assume that he wasnt Jewish.

2. I still do not understand, who was responsible for transportation of the Torah scrolls >from country to country? Any member of the community? Somebody in particular? Will the Torah move >from its original place only in case when the community was dispersed? Were there any other reasons for the scrolls to travel great distances? The scroll in question, as I mentioned previously originated in North Africa, according to the hand-writting of the scribe.

Kind regards,
Irene Berson
UK


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Noga #unitedkingdom

Sue Levy
 

I would very much like to hear >from anyone who has the surname NOGA (or
variant) in their family tree. My grandfather was born Gershon Noga but
changed his name to George Finley after settling in England around 1900. He
was Polish. I believe the word means 'foot' in Russian and related
languages.

Any help in locating others of this name, or their place of origin, would be
appreciated.

Sue Levy
Perth, Australia
GUTMAN, WEINER, WESTERMAN(all Latvia), NOGA.


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom RE: Jewish communities in Britain, 18th century #unitedkingdom

Irina Fridman
 

Dear Genners,

Thank you very much for the replies. Your answers do help a lot, however I'm still puzzled:
1. Daniel Maccabeth a Low Country> [cf. Holland/Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg] is a quote >from the cathedral book c.1681, so in any case the person in question had to identify himself bfore he received some money. OK, I probably can assume that he wasnt Jewish.

2. I still do not understand, who was responsible for transportation of the Torah scrolls >from country to country? Any member of the community? Somebody in particular? Will the Torah move >from its original place only in case when the community was dispersed? Were there any other reasons for the scrolls to travel great distances? The scroll in question, as I mentioned previously originated in North Africa, according to the hand-writting of the scribe.

Kind regards,
Irene Berson
UK


JEITELES/STEINBACH/WELLESCH tombstone in Timisoara - links many Vienna families #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

When Alex Woodle visited Timisoara/Temesvar this Spring, he took a photograph of a
tombstone with the name WELLESCH on it. Henry Wellisch
sent it to me as there was also a Juli JEITELES {nee STEINBACH} buried
in the grave. He knew many JEITELES were >from Prague [see Prague Conscriptions
site for a bonanza] and that I might be interested.
I stared at it and realised I knew the family and 100s of links.
Juli was married to Marcus JEITELES. The JEITELES name was changed
to JARAY in Vienna. This was a very artistic and inventive family.
Google: Jaray Vienna or Wien and you will find many articles.

What Henry did not know was that Juli was a key member of my extended family tree.
She links JEITELES; JARAY; de JARAY; SCHOENBERG from
Timisoara; [also Randy's different SCHOENBERG family]; BUNZL; HIRSCH;
and BACHRACH families of Vienna plus BING and FUNK families of
Hamburg and Prossnitz. A tree starting with these JEITELES and
branching out would be enormous.

Juli and Marcus are also the gtgt grandparents of Ron de Jaray in Vancouver. I
just phoned him with the good news. Who exactly Schendel JEITELES {nee WELLESCH}
is, I do not know. I think she may be the mother
of Markus, ie Juli's mother-in-law. She died aged 49? in the year 5590 {1829}.
The photograph is not too clear. We will have to send someone
to Timisoara to get another one and look for Marcus JEITELES' grave.
See: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cam37/2843988376/

I have no idea whether these JEITELES were originally >from Prague
or a link to the Moravian JEITELES, some of whom may have moved to
Banat County. I would guess the latter.

See: http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?letter=J&artid=212
for a famous Moravian JEITELES.

Genealogically speaking, life is definitely full of surprises! Thank you Alex for
taking the picture and Henry for passing it on.

Celia Male - London, U.K.


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech JEITELES/STEINBACH/WELLESCH tombstone in Timisoara - links many Vienna families #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

When Alex Woodle visited Timisoara/Temesvar this Spring, he took a photograph of a
tombstone with the name WELLESCH on it. Henry Wellisch
sent it to me as there was also a Juli JEITELES {nee STEINBACH} buried
in the grave. He knew many JEITELES were >from Prague [see Prague Conscriptions
site for a bonanza] and that I might be interested.
I stared at it and realised I knew the family and 100s of links.
Juli was married to Marcus JEITELES. The JEITELES name was changed
to JARAY in Vienna. This was a very artistic and inventive family.
Google: Jaray Vienna or Wien and you will find many articles.

What Henry did not know was that Juli was a key member of my extended family tree.
She links JEITELES; JARAY; de JARAY; SCHOENBERG from
Timisoara; [also Randy's different SCHOENBERG family]; BUNZL; HIRSCH;
and BACHRACH families of Vienna plus BING and FUNK families of
Hamburg and Prossnitz. A tree starting with these JEITELES and
branching out would be enormous.

Juli and Marcus are also the gtgt grandparents of Ron de Jaray in Vancouver. I
just phoned him with the good news. Who exactly Schendel JEITELES {nee WELLESCH}
is, I do not know. I think she may be the mother
of Markus, ie Juli's mother-in-law. She died aged 49? in the year 5590 {1829}.
The photograph is not too clear. We will have to send someone
to Timisoara to get another one and look for Marcus JEITELES' grave.
See: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cam37/2843988376/

I have no idea whether these JEITELES were originally >from Prague
or a link to the Moravian JEITELES, some of whom may have moved to
Banat County. I would guess the latter.

See: http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?letter=J&artid=212
for a famous Moravian JEITELES.

Genealogically speaking, life is definitely full of surprises! Thank you Alex for
taking the picture and Henry for passing it on.

Celia Male - London, U.K.


Norbert JOKL, Albanalogist from Bisenz/Bzenec, Moravia - OBERLANDER family link #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Ever since I read about Norbert JOKL I felt close to him. All that
work, for years and years and then his precious library stolen from
under his nose by the Gestapo, probably >from orders >from on-high.
I have written about him extensively on the SIG [see message archives
and the last posting*] and had a breakthrough recently when, at last
I found his parents' names - Heinrich and Emilie nee HAAS. Furthermore,
he appears to be a cousin of Ing. Ignatz KNOPFELMACHER - both were
murdered in the holocaust.

see pictures here: http://www.univie.ac.at/klassphil/ub-geschichte/Jokl-Biographie.htm

I have just written Norbert's POT for Yad Vashem and submitted it.
And now I have further data on his family: I found his entry in the
Neue Freie Presse {NFP} for his mother's death:
http://tinyurl.com/5pg2mr - 6th January 1917 p 30 - we see that
Enilie died on the 3rd January 1917 aged 70; was a widow; was buried
in Bisenz on the 5th January at 3pm, presumably together with her
husband Heinrich. Also we now know she had a brother Anton HAAS and
a sister Rosalie OBERLANDER. Locations given for the family are
Vienna, Bisenz/Bzenec and Krasno nad Becvou.

One day I hope someone will photograph the family grave. Norbert
apparently had no living siblings. Little by little we chip away
and get results.

Celia Male - London, U.K.

see: Norbert JOKL of Bisenz, Moravia and his KNOPFELMACHER relatives
- a photographic clue - Austriaczech SIG - 21 June 2008

Names connected to this Moravian tree: JOKL BERGER KNOPFELMACHER
HAAS OBERLANDER - places: Vienna; Bisenz and Krasno nad Becvou, Moravia


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Norbert JOKL, Albanalogist from Bisenz/Bzenec, Moravia - OBERLANDER family link #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Ever since I read about Norbert JOKL I felt close to him. All that
work, for years and years and then his precious library stolen from
under his nose by the Gestapo, probably >from orders >from on-high.
I have written about him extensively on the SIG [see message archives
and the last posting*] and had a breakthrough recently when, at last
I found his parents' names - Heinrich and Emilie nee HAAS. Furthermore,
he appears to be a cousin of Ing. Ignatz KNOPFELMACHER - both were
murdered in the holocaust.

see pictures here: http://www.univie.ac.at/klassphil/ub-geschichte/Jokl-Biographie.htm

I have just written Norbert's POT for Yad Vashem and submitted it.
And now I have further data on his family: I found his entry in the
Neue Freie Presse {NFP} for his mother's death:
http://tinyurl.com/5pg2mr - 6th January 1917 p 30 - we see that
Enilie died on the 3rd January 1917 aged 70; was a widow; was buried
in Bisenz on the 5th January at 3pm, presumably together with her
husband Heinrich. Also we now know she had a brother Anton HAAS and
a sister Rosalie OBERLANDER. Locations given for the family are
Vienna, Bisenz/Bzenec and Krasno nad Becvou.

One day I hope someone will photograph the family grave. Norbert
apparently had no living siblings. Little by little we chip away
and get results.

Celia Male - London, U.K.

see: Norbert JOKL of Bisenz, Moravia and his KNOPFELMACHER relatives
- a photographic clue - Austriaczech SIG - 21 June 2008

Names connected to this Moravian tree: JOKL BERGER KNOPFELMACHER
HAAS OBERLANDER - places: Vienna; Bisenz and Krasno nad Becvou, Moravia


Metz - school terminology in early 1860s #france

Paul King
 

My great uncle studied at Metz >from age 14 to 17.

I am in possession of a number of school slips >from 1861 and 1862 on which
are written "Bonne Conduite et Travail" and below that "IMMUNITE". One slip
has "Immunite Speciale".

The school is referred to on one slip as "Ecole de J. Bloch" and signed by
the "Instituteur". The rest of the slips are signed by "Le Professeur" or
"L'Agent generale des Ecoles" and have the following:
Ecoles Municipales de la Ville de Metz
Enseignement Superieur
Billet de Satisfaction.

I only have some slips >from 1861 and 1862. To the best of my knowledge, the
person attended school >from Sept 1861 to June 1865 [4 years - age 14 to 17].

1. Do I understand correctly that we are not talking about l'Ecole Normale
at Metz?

2. What is "immunite"?

3. Does anyone have information about "l'ecole de J. Bloch" [possibly
Block].

4. Does one graduate with a baccalaureat?? Or is there a high-school
certificate at age 17?

Please reply privately,

Paul King
Jerusalem


French SIG #France Metz - school terminology in early 1860s #france

Paul King
 

My great uncle studied at Metz >from age 14 to 17.

I am in possession of a number of school slips >from 1861 and 1862 on which
are written "Bonne Conduite et Travail" and below that "IMMUNITE". One slip
has "Immunite Speciale".

The school is referred to on one slip as "Ecole de J. Bloch" and signed by
the "Instituteur". The rest of the slips are signed by "Le Professeur" or
"L'Agent generale des Ecoles" and have the following:
Ecoles Municipales de la Ville de Metz
Enseignement Superieur
Billet de Satisfaction.

I only have some slips >from 1861 and 1862. To the best of my knowledge, the
person attended school >from Sept 1861 to June 1865 [4 years - age 14 to 17].

1. Do I understand correctly that we are not talking about l'Ecole Normale
at Metz?

2. What is "immunite"?

3. Does anyone have information about "l'ecole de J. Bloch" [possibly
Block].

4. Does one graduate with a baccalaureat?? Or is there a high-school
certificate at age 17?

Please reply privately,

Paul King
Jerusalem


Seeking relative of Sylvia KAMEN of Stamford Hill, London #general

S. Cohen <scohen@...>
 

The Adath Yisroel Burial Society of London is seeking next of kin of Sylvia
KAMEN who resided at 29 Stamford Lodge, Amhurst Park N16, Stamford Hill, London.

It is assumed a relative lives in the United States.

Please read full story in the link below.

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/General+News/23189/
London:+Jewish+Lady+Not+Permitted+Burial+Until+Next+Of+Kin+Located!.html
or http://tinyurl.com/5js238 (added by Moderator)

If you have any information on this person, please call Adath Yisroel Burial
Society at (44) 208 800 9892 / (44) 7939 128 353 or call Misaskim in New York at
718-854-4548.

Sheindle Cohen (New York)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking relative of Sylvia KAMEN of Stamford Hill, London #general

S. Cohen <scohen@...>
 

The Adath Yisroel Burial Society of London is seeking next of kin of Sylvia
KAMEN who resided at 29 Stamford Lodge, Amhurst Park N16, Stamford Hill, London.

It is assumed a relative lives in the United States.

Please read full story in the link below.

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/General+News/23189/
London:+Jewish+Lady+Not+Permitted+Burial+Until+Next+Of+Kin+Located!.html
or http://tinyurl.com/5js238 (added by Moderator)

If you have any information on this person, please call Adath Yisroel Burial
Society at (44) 208 800 9892 / (44) 7939 128 353 or call Misaskim in New York at
718-854-4548.

Sheindle Cohen (New York)