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The Family of R' Tzvi Hirsh Salanter (BRAUDE) #rabbinic

Todd Brody
 

So I have been researching the family of R' Tzvi Hirsh Salanter
(BRAUDE) for a couple months and there appears to be a lot of
contradictory information >from different sources. [Again, this is
not the Tzvi Hirsh Braude who was the son-in-law of the Simcha Zisel
Ziv BRAUDE. This Tzvi Hirsh BRAUDE lived earlier and was one of the
teachers of R' Israel Salanter.]

I. In the 1938 book "Mishpachat BRAUDE," Azriel Meir Braude says
that Tzvi Hirsh Salanter was the son of R' Aharon BRAUDE from
Kalvariya who was the son of R' Chaiim BRAUDE >from Janov. He says
that Aharon BRAUDE had six sons: (1) Binyamin; (2) Aryeh Leib; (3)
DovBer; (4) Ze'ev Vulf; (5) Yosef; and (6) Tzvi Hirsh. He does not
identify any of Tzvi Hirsh's children, however, and only mentions
his son-in-law R' Shmuel Avigdor Tosefta >from Karlin.

II. In 1934, Chaikal Lunsky wrote an article in "Dos Vort" (Vilna),
(serialized over 3 weeks) concerning the life of Tzvi Hirsh BRAUDE.
The last section is about his family. The article names the
brothers (except Ze'ev Vulf). The article also identifies one son
Rav Itshile and four son-in-laws: (1) R' Leib ABD Kalvariya;
(2) R' Moshe ZEITLIN, ABD Reisin; (3) R' DovBer LIFSHITZ; and
(4) R' Dovid Shlomo MAYZAL >from Vilna. Curiously, there is no
mention of R' Shmuel Avigdor TOSEFTA.

III. In response to a previously posted message, I received a
forwarded e-mail >from Neil Rosenstein stating that R. Tzvi Hirsh
had four daughters: (1) Rachel; (2) the wife of R. Shmuel Avigdor
TOSEFEA; (3) the wife of Yitzchak Ben Chaim; and (4) the wife of Zvi
NEVIAZHER >from Kovno. No sons were indicated.

IV. To make things more interesting, the April 25, 1834 revision
list for Alsedziai (which is where R. Tzvi Hirsh lived before
moving to Salant) lists the following individual: Girsh ben Aron.
As we know, Girsh is a synonym for Hirsh. Thus, we potential have a
Hirsh BRAUDE ben Aron. Could this individual be R' Tzvi Hirsh
BRAUDE the son of Aaron? The family listed for this individual are
his wife Sifra and the following children: (1) son Israel (married
to Iokheved); (2) son Moshe; (3) daughter Rochel; and (4) daughter
Leia. Girsh was born in 1776. There are two other people in the
revision lists for Alsedziai for 1834 who are listed as being the
son of Girsh BRAUDE: Zundel and Shmuel. Zundel and Shmuel are each
listed as a separate head of household with wives and children.

Anyway, I am stuck. If anyone has any other reliable information I
would appreciate a response.

Good Shabbat to all.

Todd Brody
Englewood, NJ

Searching: BRAUDE (Telz, Alsiad, Plotel), GLASS (Sandomierz,
Montreal), ROSENBERG (Skaryszew, Montreal), GROSSER (Sieniawa,
Przemysl, Jaroslaw), LAMM (Sieniawa, Przemysl, Jaroslaw), FRANKFORT
(Sieniawa), ARFA (Biezun, Zuromin, Sierpc, Plock), MAJ ((Biezun,
Zuromin, Sierpc, Plock)


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic The Family of R' Tzvi Hirsh Salanter (BRAUDE) #rabbinic

Todd Brody
 

So I have been researching the family of R' Tzvi Hirsh Salanter
(BRAUDE) for a couple months and there appears to be a lot of
contradictory information >from different sources. [Again, this is
not the Tzvi Hirsh Braude who was the son-in-law of the Simcha Zisel
Ziv BRAUDE. This Tzvi Hirsh BRAUDE lived earlier and was one of the
teachers of R' Israel Salanter.]

I. In the 1938 book "Mishpachat BRAUDE," Azriel Meir Braude says
that Tzvi Hirsh Salanter was the son of R' Aharon BRAUDE from
Kalvariya who was the son of R' Chaiim BRAUDE >from Janov. He says
that Aharon BRAUDE had six sons: (1) Binyamin; (2) Aryeh Leib; (3)
DovBer; (4) Ze'ev Vulf; (5) Yosef; and (6) Tzvi Hirsh. He does not
identify any of Tzvi Hirsh's children, however, and only mentions
his son-in-law R' Shmuel Avigdor Tosefta >from Karlin.

II. In 1934, Chaikal Lunsky wrote an article in "Dos Vort" (Vilna),
(serialized over 3 weeks) concerning the life of Tzvi Hirsh BRAUDE.
The last section is about his family. The article names the
brothers (except Ze'ev Vulf). The article also identifies one son
Rav Itshile and four son-in-laws: (1) R' Leib ABD Kalvariya;
(2) R' Moshe ZEITLIN, ABD Reisin; (3) R' DovBer LIFSHITZ; and
(4) R' Dovid Shlomo MAYZAL >from Vilna. Curiously, there is no
mention of R' Shmuel Avigdor TOSEFTA.

III. In response to a previously posted message, I received a
forwarded e-mail >from Neil Rosenstein stating that R. Tzvi Hirsh
had four daughters: (1) Rachel; (2) the wife of R. Shmuel Avigdor
TOSEFEA; (3) the wife of Yitzchak Ben Chaim; and (4) the wife of Zvi
NEVIAZHER >from Kovno. No sons were indicated.

IV. To make things more interesting, the April 25, 1834 revision
list for Alsedziai (which is where R. Tzvi Hirsh lived before
moving to Salant) lists the following individual: Girsh ben Aron.
As we know, Girsh is a synonym for Hirsh. Thus, we potential have a
Hirsh BRAUDE ben Aron. Could this individual be R' Tzvi Hirsh
BRAUDE the son of Aaron? The family listed for this individual are
his wife Sifra and the following children: (1) son Israel (married
to Iokheved); (2) son Moshe; (3) daughter Rochel; and (4) daughter
Leia. Girsh was born in 1776. There are two other people in the
revision lists for Alsedziai for 1834 who are listed as being the
son of Girsh BRAUDE: Zundel and Shmuel. Zundel and Shmuel are each
listed as a separate head of household with wives and children.

Anyway, I am stuck. If anyone has any other reliable information I
would appreciate a response.

Good Shabbat to all.

Todd Brody
Englewood, NJ

Searching: BRAUDE (Telz, Alsiad, Plotel), GLASS (Sandomierz,
Montreal), ROSENBERG (Skaryszew, Montreal), GROSSER (Sieniawa,
Przemysl, Jaroslaw), LAMM (Sieniawa, Przemysl, Jaroslaw), FRANKFORT
(Sieniawa), ARFA (Biezun, Zuromin, Sierpc, Plock), MAJ ((Biezun,
Zuromin, Sierpc, Plock)


Re: East London Burial society #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Sheila Toffell" <toffell@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:001c01c61782$ce726a70$6501a8c0@BASEMENT
Fellow Genners

This seems an excellent source, but please be aware that these two
ladies primary job is to organize burials, stone settings
(consecrations) and all things related to these services at United
Synagogue cemeteries.
I think that you will find that this is the Ilford office of the United
Synagogue Burial Society. I am quite confident that this or another office
of the Society should be able to assist you in locating where your relative
is buried.

I would have thought that they see this as part of their duty to help
families, in particular, of those who are buried in their cemeteries.

Nick Landau
London, UK

(member, United Synagogue)

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov,
Belarus)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: East London Burial society #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Sheila Toffell" <toffell@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:001c01c61782$ce726a70$6501a8c0@BASEMENT
Fellow Genners

This seems an excellent source, but please be aware that these two
ladies primary job is to organize burials, stone settings
(consecrations) and all things related to these services at United
Synagogue cemeteries.
I think that you will find that this is the Ilford office of the United
Synagogue Burial Society. I am quite confident that this or another office
of the Society should be able to assist you in locating where your relative
is buried.

I would have thought that they see this as part of their duty to help
families, in particular, of those who are buried in their cemeteries.

Nick Landau
London, UK

(member, United Synagogue)

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov,
Belarus)


First name, "Judel Gersh" #general

David Priever
 

Hello Fello Jewishgenners,

Several months ago I posted a message about the given name "Kreincie Ruchel"
and received many very helpful hints and ideas >from you.

Today's entry is the name "Judel Gersh". It was found in a record in the
JRI-Poland.

What would that name translate to in English?

Thank you again, in advance, for your kind response to this question.

Sincerely,

David J. Priever
brooklyn1960@hotmail.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen First name, "Judel Gersh" #general

David Priever
 

Hello Fello Jewishgenners,

Several months ago I posted a message about the given name "Kreincie Ruchel"
and received many very helpful hints and ideas >from you.

Today's entry is the name "Judel Gersh". It was found in a record in the
JRI-Poland.

What would that name translate to in English?

Thank you again, in advance, for your kind response to this question.

Sincerely,

David J. Priever
brooklyn1960@hotmail.com


Can you beat this? #latvia

Sue Levy
 

Following my broad enquiry a few weeks ago about people travelling to Latvia
this year, I received a message >from a lady in South Africa. A couple of
e-mails later, she asked me if I happen to know of her relations also living
here in Perth, Australia.

"You're not going to believe this," I wrote back. "They live NEXT DOOR TO
ME!"

Tell me, what are the odds of that happening?

Sue Levy
Perth, Australia


Latvia SIG #Latvia Can you beat this? #latvia

Sue Levy
 

Following my broad enquiry a few weeks ago about people travelling to Latvia
this year, I received a message >from a lady in South Africa. A couple of
e-mails later, she asked me if I happen to know of her relations also living
here in Perth, Australia.

"You're not going to believe this," I wrote back. "They live NEXT DOOR TO
ME!"

Tell me, what are the odds of that happening?

Sue Levy
Perth, Australia


MARKSITZER #germany

Nelly Marksitzer <marksitzer@...>
 

Dear friends

On the website of Petach Tikva Cemetery in Israel I found the grave of Etiya
MARKSITZER, b. 1925, d. July 10, 2001. Her father was Mosche Jonah
MARKSITZER. Does anybody know more about this MARKSITZER-family? I suppose
there is a family relation to my husband, Heinz MARKSITZER. His family's
roots are in Berditschew or Odessa, today Ukraine.

Thanks for any hint, reference or indication, where I can find more
information. [Private email only.] Best regards

Nelly Marksitzer Zurich Switzerland <marksitzer@freesurf.ch>


German SIG #Germany MARKSITZER #germany

Nelly Marksitzer <marksitzer@...>
 

Dear friends

On the website of Petach Tikva Cemetery in Israel I found the grave of Etiya
MARKSITZER, b. 1925, d. July 10, 2001. Her father was Mosche Jonah
MARKSITZER. Does anybody know more about this MARKSITZER-family? I suppose
there is a family relation to my husband, Heinz MARKSITZER. His family's
roots are in Berditschew or Odessa, today Ukraine.

Thanks for any hint, reference or indication, where I can find more
information. [Private email only.] Best regards

Nelly Marksitzer Zurich Switzerland <marksitzer@freesurf.ch>


Kaiser burried in Petach Tikva #germany

Sarah&Laurent Kassel <kassells@...>
 

Geoff,
Zeev in Hebrew is translated in German as Wolf. In later days European Jews
chose names in the language of their country. Wilhelm starts with the same
letter as Wolf, this is a not uncommon choice.

The metaphoric reference to a wolf is used in the blessing of Jacob to his
son Benjamin (read in yesterday's Torah weekly portion). So in many cases
also Wolf or Zeev go together with the biblical name of Benjamin.

Best regards, Laurent Kassel Moreshet, Israel <kassells@hotmail.com>

Geoff Kaiser <geoff_kaiser@hotmail.com> asked
"Ephraim KAISER had his entry giving his father's Hebrew name as Ze'ev.

My records have his given name as Wilhelm. What connection is there
bewteen given names and Hebrew names if any."


German SIG #Germany Kaiser burried in Petach Tikva #germany

Sarah&Laurent Kassel <kassells@...>
 

Geoff,
Zeev in Hebrew is translated in German as Wolf. In later days European Jews
chose names in the language of their country. Wilhelm starts with the same
letter as Wolf, this is a not uncommon choice.

The metaphoric reference to a wolf is used in the blessing of Jacob to his
son Benjamin (read in yesterday's Torah weekly portion). So in many cases
also Wolf or Zeev go together with the biblical name of Benjamin.

Best regards, Laurent Kassel Moreshet, Israel <kassells@hotmail.com>

Geoff Kaiser <geoff_kaiser@hotmail.com> asked
"Ephraim KAISER had his entry giving his father's Hebrew name as Ze'ev.

My records have his given name as Wilhelm. What connection is there
bewteen given names and Hebrew names if any."


SCHRAMM -Thueringen, Germany #germany

Emperor <emperor@...>
 

Gersigs:
As far as I can tell the surname "SCHRAMM" originated in the Province of
Thueringen, in the mid 1700's where the family name was prominent in land
development for the crown. Though this surname goes back to the 1200's I am
unable to determine it's place of origin in Germany.
Any help...need not be official.

Prinz Gilbert von Schramm** Penticton, British Columbia, Canada<emperor@telus.net>


German SIG #Germany SCHRAMM -Thueringen, Germany #germany

Emperor <emperor@...>
 

Gersigs:
As far as I can tell the surname "SCHRAMM" originated in the Province of
Thueringen, in the mid 1700's where the family name was prominent in land
development for the crown. Though this surname goes back to the 1200's I am
unable to determine it's place of origin in Germany.
Any help...need not be official.

Prinz Gilbert von Schramm** Penticton, British Columbia, Canada<emperor@telus.net>


mtDNA & my grandfather's mother #dna

rbeals@...
 

Hello to All,

I am afraid I am a complete novice when it concerns genetic testing,
so my question may be a stupid one.

I am a female. I am trying to find out if it would be beneficial or
not for me to order a mtDNA test kit. Family lore has it that my
great grandmother may have been Jewish. However, my grandfather (no
longer living) is her son, the father of my mother. I have read
that, indeed, a male does receive mtDNA >from his mother but that
this is not passed on to any of his children.

So, perhaps no genetic test I could take could answer my question
about Jewish ancestry >from my grandfather's mother?

Thank you for any help anyone can provide.

Kim Beals
Milford, Illinois USA


DNA Research #DNA mtDNA & my grandfather's mother #dna

rbeals@...
 

Hello to All,

I am afraid I am a complete novice when it concerns genetic testing,
so my question may be a stupid one.

I am a female. I am trying to find out if it would be beneficial or
not for me to order a mtDNA test kit. Family lore has it that my
great grandmother may have been Jewish. However, my grandfather (no
longer living) is her son, the father of my mother. I have read
that, indeed, a male does receive mtDNA >from his mother but that
this is not passed on to any of his children.

So, perhaps no genetic test I could take could answer my question
about Jewish ancestry >from my grandfather's mother?

Thank you for any help anyone can provide.

Kim Beals
Milford, Illinois USA


Re: 40% Ashkenazim come from Matriarchs #dna

howard sachs <hfsachs@...>
 

Although the Behar study story of last week is just reaching Kansas
City, I hope it shows how the modal haplotypes of the four Ashkenazi
Jewish matriarchs fit with earlier haplogroups. Since I understand
that something like half the Jewish female population is in
haplogroups H, J & K (three of the "Seven (or more) Daughters of
Eve" who populated Europe) I would suppose that several or more of
the matriarchs are in those haplogroups. If so, could this
represent travel back to the Middle East >from Southern European
places of refuge in the Ice Age? That is, after the Middle East was
no longer an uninhabitable desert. The DNA study would, I hope,
provide significant new clues. Am awaiting more information.

Howard Sachs


DNA Research #DNA Re: 40% Ashkenazim come from Matriarchs #dna

howard sachs <hfsachs@...>
 

Although the Behar study story of last week is just reaching Kansas
City, I hope it shows how the modal haplotypes of the four Ashkenazi
Jewish matriarchs fit with earlier haplogroups. Since I understand
that something like half the Jewish female population is in
haplogroups H, J & K (three of the "Seven (or more) Daughters of
Eve" who populated Europe) I would suppose that several or more of
the matriarchs are in those haplogroups. If so, could this
represent travel back to the Middle East >from Southern European
places of refuge in the Ice Age? That is, after the Middle East was
no longer an uninhabitable desert. The DNA study would, I hope,
provide significant new clues. Am awaiting more information.

Howard Sachs


child burial Prague 19th century #austria-czech

Zimmer-Luedinghausen@...
 

Hello

my great-grandmother had 9 children. Four of them died between the age of
3 months and 6 years. They were all born in Prague, Cz. around the 1850s.
I know the cemeteries where they most likely would be buried but have so far
not been able to locate their graves nor could I find any of them in burial
lists.
Is it possible that small children didn't have proper burials with a
gravestones and so probably do not appear in burial registers?
Tahnk you
Peter Zimmer
Muenster
Germany


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech child burial Prague 19th century #austria-czech

Zimmer-Luedinghausen@...
 

Hello

my great-grandmother had 9 children. Four of them died between the age of
3 months and 6 years. They were all born in Prague, Cz. around the 1850s.
I know the cemeteries where they most likely would be buried but have so far
not been able to locate their graves nor could I find any of them in burial
lists.
Is it possible that small children didn't have proper burials with a
gravestones and so probably do not appear in burial registers?
Tahnk you
Peter Zimmer
Muenster
Germany