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Time to Redefine the Term Sephardic? #general

Adam Cherson
 

Dear Researchers,

The past several years of research discoveries leads me to understand
that there are many persons whose immediately prior ancestry is >from the
places we call Eastern Europe, Central Europe, Hungary, Romania,
Ukraine, Moldova, and the like, *but* whose earlier ancestry includes a
period of residency, sometimes a substantial period of residency, in the
Iberian peninsula.

These folks, and I am one of them, have immediate ancestors who spoke
Yiddish, practiced the Ashkenazic ritual, had typical Askhnenazic names,
and match DNA mostly, if not exclusively, with other people >from those
Eastern places, and yet, we have an Iberian ancestry.

My question is whether there is a generally accepted terminology for
this population group?

I have heard things like Iberian Ashkenaz, Sephardic Diaspora,
Ashkenazic Sephardim, Sephardic Ashkenazim, Iberian Jews, and there are
probably others.

I personally prefer to use the term Iberian Jews because this removes
any indication of religious ritual and language >from the description. I
accept that there are going to be many ways of expressing the same
concept: just because one's ancestors spoke Yiddish and lived in Eastern
places doesn't mean they didn't have ancestors who once lived in Iberia,
possibly for many centuries.

FYI, there are now several Jewish yDNA signatures that are considered
evidence of an Iberian yDNA ancestry. For more about this please contact
me privately.

Cordially,
Adam Cherson


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Time to Redefine the Term Sephardic? #general

Adam Cherson
 

Dear Researchers,

The past several years of research discoveries leads me to understand
that there are many persons whose immediately prior ancestry is >from the
places we call Eastern Europe, Central Europe, Hungary, Romania,
Ukraine, Moldova, and the like, *but* whose earlier ancestry includes a
period of residency, sometimes a substantial period of residency, in the
Iberian peninsula.

These folks, and I am one of them, have immediate ancestors who spoke
Yiddish, practiced the Ashkenazic ritual, had typical Askhnenazic names,
and match DNA mostly, if not exclusively, with other people >from those
Eastern places, and yet, we have an Iberian ancestry.

My question is whether there is a generally accepted terminology for
this population group?

I have heard things like Iberian Ashkenaz, Sephardic Diaspora,
Ashkenazic Sephardim, Sephardic Ashkenazim, Iberian Jews, and there are
probably others.

I personally prefer to use the term Iberian Jews because this removes
any indication of religious ritual and language >from the description. I
accept that there are going to be many ways of expressing the same
concept: just because one's ancestors spoke Yiddish and lived in Eastern
places doesn't mean they didn't have ancestors who once lived in Iberia,
possibly for many centuries.

FYI, there are now several Jewish yDNA signatures that are considered
evidence of an Iberian yDNA ancestry. For more about this please contact
me privately.

Cordially,
Adam Cherson


Information about Deportees from Convoy 8 from Angers (France) to Auschwitz, July 20, 1942 #galicia

Yaron Wolfsthal
 

Dear Group,

In my research about the family WOLFSTHAL, I have recently came across
the name of a couple who was deported >from France to Auschwitz on
convoy #8 (July 1942):

Szmul (1907-1942) & Chaja (1904-1942) WULFSZTAL

I hypothesize that this couple (and family) immigrated to France >from
Poland; specifically they may be a branch of the WOLFSTHAL family >from
Galicia, and I'd appreciate the group's input on the following points:

(1) any information about this family, parent names, etc.
(2) more broadly, where could I obtain genealogical information of
French Jewry - to start a search on this couple.

Thank you,

Yaron Wolfsthal
Ben-Gurion University, Beer Sheva, Israel
yaron.wolfsthal@gmail.com


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Information about Deportees from Convoy 8 from Angers (France) to Auschwitz, July 20, 1942 #galicia

Yaron Wolfsthal
 

Dear Group,

In my research about the family WOLFSTHAL, I have recently came across
the name of a couple who was deported >from France to Auschwitz on
convoy #8 (July 1942):

Szmul (1907-1942) & Chaja (1904-1942) WULFSZTAL

I hypothesize that this couple (and family) immigrated to France >from
Poland; specifically they may be a branch of the WOLFSTHAL family >from
Galicia, and I'd appreciate the group's input on the following points:

(1) any information about this family, parent names, etc.
(2) more broadly, where could I obtain genealogical information of
French Jewry - to start a search on this couple.

Thank you,

Yaron Wolfsthal
Ben-Gurion University, Beer Sheva, Israel
yaron.wolfsthal@gmail.com


ROSENGARTEN ZIMMERMAN #germany

Liz James
 

Dear GERsiggers,

I am looking for assistance in finding the ancestors of
Siegfried ROSENGARTEN born 1911 Kassel, Germany
(Came to Australia via Palestine, died 2003.)

And Paul ZIMMERMAN born 26 Jun 1913 in Wiesbaden, Germany
(Came to Australia via Palestine died 1972)

Many thanks, Liz James, AJGS Victoria, Australia lizronjames@hotmail.com


German SIG #Germany ROSENGARTEN ZIMMERMAN #germany

Liz James
 

Dear GERsiggers,

I am looking for assistance in finding the ancestors of
Siegfried ROSENGARTEN born 1911 Kassel, Germany
(Came to Australia via Palestine, died 2003.)

And Paul ZIMMERMAN born 26 Jun 1913 in Wiesbaden, Germany
(Came to Australia via Palestine died 1972)

Many thanks, Liz James, AJGS Victoria, Australia lizronjames@hotmail.com


Re: KAUFER/STEINLAUF #galicia

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

Since my maternal family hails >from Brzesko/Galicia those two surnames
looked familiar to me. As a general rule I would recommend to try to look
into the old country. The area of Brzesko and Bochnia (the neighboring
townships of Mokrzyska) has many of those surnames. Try JRI-PL
Database and also Ellis Island DB has Rifka STEINLAUF who arrived >from
Krakow in 1892. Krakow is the "Big City" people would sometimes refer to.
I believe that looking at those DBs will yield good clues.

Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem

Stuart Kaufer wrote:

"My Great Grandfather was Salomon Kaufer (spelling >from his gravestone).
He died in 1919. My GGM was Rebecca Steinlauf Kaufer and she died in
1918. Family lore was that they came >from Austria. It has recently come
to my attention that they may have originated in Mokrzyska Malopolskie
Salomon's father >from gravestone, son of Moses Kaufer."


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: KAUFER/STEINLAUF #galicia

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

Since my maternal family hails >from Brzesko/Galicia those two surnames
looked familiar to me. As a general rule I would recommend to try to look
into the old country. The area of Brzesko and Bochnia (the neighboring
townships of Mokrzyska) has many of those surnames. Try JRI-PL
Database and also Ellis Island DB has Rifka STEINLAUF who arrived >from
Krakow in 1892. Krakow is the "Big City" people would sometimes refer to.
I believe that looking at those DBs will yield good clues.

Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem

Stuart Kaufer wrote:

"My Great Grandfather was Salomon Kaufer (spelling >from his gravestone).
He died in 1919. My GGM was Rebecca Steinlauf Kaufer and she died in
1918. Family lore was that they came >from Austria. It has recently come
to my attention that they may have originated in Mokrzyska Malopolskie
Salomon's father >from gravestone, son of Moses Kaufer."


JGSCV August 25 Meeting Panel of Experts and Highlights from the 39th IAJGS Conference on Jewish Genealogy #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of the Conejo Valley and Ventura County's
program is Sunday, August 25 1:30-3:30 PM at Temple Adat Elohim 2420 E
Hillcrest Drive in Thousand Oaks.

Program: Highlights >from IAJGS 39th International Conference on Jewish
Genealogy; And Panel of Experts

Panel of Experts: The Panel of Experts starts at 1:10 PM. Please arrive
starting at (not earlier than) 1:00 PM with your questions for the panel.
Experts are Hal Bookbinder and Marion Werle.

Hal Bookbinder: has been researching eight family lines for over 27 years,
identifying 4,000 relatives and tracing two of these lines into the
mid-1700s. A founding member of JGSCV, and former president of JGSLA and
IAJGS. In 2010, Hal received the IAJGS Lifetime Achievement Award for his
various contributions to Jewish Genealogy

Marion Werle: began family history research 24 years ago, researching family
from Lithuania, Latvia and Belarus, who settled in the US, Canada, UK and
Israel. Marion has been a member of JGSCV for over 10 years and has been on
the boards of JGSCV and JGSLA, and is a past president of the Latvia SIG.
Marion completed the Boston University Genealogical Research Certificate.

Highlights >from the IAJGS 39th International Conference on Jewish Genealogy:
JGSCV members who attended the IAJGS Conference tell about their favorite
conference lecture, workshop, SIG meeting. JGSCV had 14 members attend
the conference and at least half will share their favorite program, meeting
cousins, visiting Cleveland and more!

Traveling Library

The traveling library with our A and D books. A list of which books are
included are listed on our website http://www.jgscv.org/ under library and
traveling. The library is available starting at 1:00 PM.

For more information about JGSCV and directions to Temple Adat Elohim please
visit our website, http://www.jgscv.org.

There is no charge to attend the meeting. Anyone may join JGSCV.

JGSCV is looking forward to seeing you on August 25!

Jan

Jan Meisels Allen
President, JGSCV


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGSCV August 25 Meeting Panel of Experts and Highlights from the 39th IAJGS Conference on Jewish Genealogy #general

Jan Meisels Allen
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of the Conejo Valley and Ventura County's
program is Sunday, August 25 1:30-3:30 PM at Temple Adat Elohim 2420 E
Hillcrest Drive in Thousand Oaks.

Program: Highlights >from IAJGS 39th International Conference on Jewish
Genealogy; And Panel of Experts

Panel of Experts: The Panel of Experts starts at 1:10 PM. Please arrive
starting at (not earlier than) 1:00 PM with your questions for the panel.
Experts are Hal Bookbinder and Marion Werle.

Hal Bookbinder: has been researching eight family lines for over 27 years,
identifying 4,000 relatives and tracing two of these lines into the
mid-1700s. A founding member of JGSCV, and former president of JGSLA and
IAJGS. In 2010, Hal received the IAJGS Lifetime Achievement Award for his
various contributions to Jewish Genealogy

Marion Werle: began family history research 24 years ago, researching family
from Lithuania, Latvia and Belarus, who settled in the US, Canada, UK and
Israel. Marion has been a member of JGSCV for over 10 years and has been on
the boards of JGSCV and JGSLA, and is a past president of the Latvia SIG.
Marion completed the Boston University Genealogical Research Certificate.

Highlights >from the IAJGS 39th International Conference on Jewish Genealogy:
JGSCV members who attended the IAJGS Conference tell about their favorite
conference lecture, workshop, SIG meeting. JGSCV had 14 members attend
the conference and at least half will share their favorite program, meeting
cousins, visiting Cleveland and more!

Traveling Library

The traveling library with our A and D books. A list of which books are
included are listed on our website http://www.jgscv.org/ under library and
traveling. The library is available starting at 1:00 PM.

For more information about JGSCV and directions to Temple Adat Elohim please
visit our website, http://www.jgscv.org.

There is no charge to attend the meeting. Anyone may join JGSCV.

JGSCV is looking forward to seeing you on August 25!

Jan

Jan Meisels Allen
President, JGSCV


Correction (US) National Archives Hosts Virtual Genealogy Fair October 23, 2019 Free and Online

Jan Meisels Allen
 

I incorrectly said September in the last paragraph of the email, the month was correct in the header and in the date and time portion of the email. Sorry for the inconvenience.  Its October 23,2019.

Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

 

 

 

The (US) National Archives will host their 7th annual live virtual Genealogy Fair via a webcast on their YouTube Channel

(https://www.youtube.com/user/usnationalarchives).  This is their biggest genealogy event of the year!  This year there will be sessions on preserving personal collections; using records on immigration, World War l, soldiers and marines; Homestead Act and more.

 

Date and Time:  October 23, 2019  10 AM EDT  ( use  http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc to convert to your local time)

In addition to the YouTube station (see URL above) you can visit the webpage https://www.archives.gov/calendar/genealogy-fair

For more information and handouts will be available on this page later this summer.

 

Participants can watch individual sessions, download materials, ask questions, and interact with presenters and other family historians. No need to register - just click and view! If you can’t make it on October 23 the videos and handouts will remain available after the event.

 

Jan Meisels Allen

Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee

 

 

 


MyHeritage DNA Study Reveals Hungary Has World's Second Largest Percentage of Population with Jewish (Ashkenazi) Ethnicity #hungary

Jan Meisels Allen
 

A new study MyHeritage DNA did with Dr. Daniel Staetsky, a statistician and
demographer uncovered the number of people descended >from Jewish ancestors
in Hungary is higher than other demographers have previously estimated.

The first study of its kind revealed that the country with the highest
proportion of Ashkenazi Jewish ethnicity after Israel was Hungary. It was
previously thought it was the United States. The study showed: After Israel,
the top countries in terms of significant Ashkenazi Jewish ethnicity were
Hungary and Russia, followed by Argentina, South Africa, Ukraine, and then
the USA. The analysis was a cohort of 1.8 million anonymized DNA tests
taken by MyHeritage customers worldwide. The study included 100 countries.

A much lower percentage of people in Hungary, who self-identify as being
Jews, is substantially lower compared with the DNA test-takers, even after
adjusting for a degree of selectivity of MyHeritage users (most educated and
well to do classes since commercial genetic testing which is more likely to
be used by those cohorts.) It is also assumed that more Hungarian Jews
assimilated into the local population before the Holocaust, more Hungarians
survived the Holocaust than Jews in Poland, and more Jews remained in
Hungary than in Poland following the Holocaust.

Jews have a long history in Hungary dating back to at least the early 13th
century. By the early 20th century Jews constituted 5 % of Hungary?s total
population and Jews comprised 23% of Budapest. (These are not MyHeritage?s
numbers.) By 1941, over 17% of Budapest?s Jews were Roman Catholic converts,
following coordinated pressure across Europe that began with the Spanish
Inquisition in the late 15th century. Over 560,000 Hungarian Jews were
murdered in Holocaust.

The MyHeritage study also revealed Russia having many more people with
Jewish ethnicity than demographers expected.

To read more including the percentages of population with Ashkenazi Jewish
ethnicity see:
https://blog.myheritage.com/2019/08/hungarys-secret-new-study-by-myheritage/


Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Hungary SIG #Hungary MyHeritage DNA Study Reveals Hungary Has World's Second Largest Percentage of Population with Jewish (Ashkenazi) Ethnicity #hungary

Jan Meisels Allen
 

A new study MyHeritage DNA did with Dr. Daniel Staetsky, a statistician and
demographer uncovered the number of people descended >from Jewish ancestors
in Hungary is higher than other demographers have previously estimated.

The first study of its kind revealed that the country with the highest
proportion of Ashkenazi Jewish ethnicity after Israel was Hungary. It was
previously thought it was the United States. The study showed: After Israel,
the top countries in terms of significant Ashkenazi Jewish ethnicity were
Hungary and Russia, followed by Argentina, South Africa, Ukraine, and then
the USA. The analysis was a cohort of 1.8 million anonymized DNA tests
taken by MyHeritage customers worldwide. The study included 100 countries.

A much lower percentage of people in Hungary, who self-identify as being
Jews, is substantially lower compared with the DNA test-takers, even after
adjusting for a degree of selectivity of MyHeritage users (most educated and
well to do classes since commercial genetic testing which is more likely to
be used by those cohorts.) It is also assumed that more Hungarian Jews
assimilated into the local population before the Holocaust, more Hungarians
survived the Holocaust than Jews in Poland, and more Jews remained in
Hungary than in Poland following the Holocaust.

Jews have a long history in Hungary dating back to at least the early 13th
century. By the early 20th century Jews constituted 5 % of Hungary?s total
population and Jews comprised 23% of Budapest. (These are not MyHeritage?s
numbers.) By 1941, over 17% of Budapest?s Jews were Roman Catholic converts,
following coordinated pressure across Europe that began with the Spanish
Inquisition in the late 15th century. Over 560,000 Hungarian Jews were
murdered in Holocaust.

The MyHeritage study also revealed Russia having many more people with
Jewish ethnicity than demographers expected.

To read more including the percentages of population with Ashkenazi Jewish
ethnicity see:
https://blog.myheritage.com/2019/08/hungarys-secret-new-study-by-myheritage/


Jan Meisels Allen
Chairperson, IAJGS Public Records Access Monitoring Committee


Michael Kaufer #galicia

Stuart Kaufer
 

I am searching for the family of Michael Kaufer. Mr. Kaufer was in
some way related to my Kaufer family relatives. >from his draft card. 66
which I located for WWI he lived on Sawyer Ave. in Chicago with his
wife Sadie Scher Kaufer who he married in Chicago in 1900.

The reasonI am certain that he was a relative was that his employer was
listed as Goldenberg Furniture Co on Halsted St in Chicago. This is also
where my paternal GF Edward Kaufer worked. My GF was very closed
off when discussing his family and I never heard mention of a Michael
which is quite odd since they worked at the same place. I am trying
to determine if MIchael was one of the children of my paternal GGF
Salomon Kaufer and his wife Rebecca Steinlauff or some other relative?
My dad, Ernest also never discussed family and he is also deceased
now so there is really no one to ask.

They had two children listed in 1910 census as
Jeronon born 1901
Lillian born 1903.

I found some information indicating that Jeronon died at the age of 57
in West Palm Beach, Fl. Lillian Kaufer married someone named
Richmond and had a daughter Coleen Richmond Siet.

If anyone can shed light on this I would be grateful. Just trying to
put a full family tree together.

Stuart Kaufer


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Michael Kaufer #galicia

Stuart Kaufer
 

I am searching for the family of Michael Kaufer. Mr. Kaufer was in
some way related to my Kaufer family relatives. >from his draft card. 66
which I located for WWI he lived on Sawyer Ave. in Chicago with his
wife Sadie Scher Kaufer who he married in Chicago in 1900.

The reasonI am certain that he was a relative was that his employer was
listed as Goldenberg Furniture Co on Halsted St in Chicago. This is also
where my paternal GF Edward Kaufer worked. My GF was very closed
off when discussing his family and I never heard mention of a Michael
which is quite odd since they worked at the same place. I am trying
to determine if MIchael was one of the children of my paternal GGF
Salomon Kaufer and his wife Rebecca Steinlauff or some other relative?
My dad, Ernest also never discussed family and he is also deceased
now so there is really no one to ask.

They had two children listed in 1910 census as
Jeronon born 1901
Lillian born 1903.

I found some information indicating that Jeronon died at the age of 57
in West Palm Beach, Fl. Lillian Kaufer married someone named
Richmond and had a daughter Coleen Richmond Siet.

If anyone can shed light on this I would be grateful. Just trying to
put a full family tree together.

Stuart Kaufer


Re: Marriage, religious and civil #unitedkingdom

Eva Lawrence
 

Pierre M Hahn asked: In France one needs a civil marriage to be “married”, what
is the law in England?

In England, in 1877, a religious marriage had (and still has) the same
standing as a civil one,. However, it needs to be registered officially
at the General Register Office by attestation >from the presiding cleric.
I've seen copies of affidavits to this effect.

Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re: Marriage, religious and civil #unitedkingdom

Eva Lawrence
 

Pierre M Hahn asked: In France one needs a civil marriage to be “married”, what
is the law in England?

In England, in 1877, a religious marriage had (and still has) the same
standing as a civil one,. However, it needs to be registered officially
at the General Register Office by attestation >from the presiding cleric.
I've seen copies of affidavits to this effect.

Eva Lawrence
St Albans, UK.


Abbreviations used in Hamburg cemetery records #germany

Jeffrey Herrmann
 

In a file labelled "Hamburg birth and cemetery records" in
the Jacob Jacobson Collection at the Leo Baeck Institute there is a
transcription >from the (presumably) Yiddish records of the Wandsbek
Cemetery in Hamburg. The transcriber used various abbreviations but
provided no key to what they mean. I have set forth below, verbatim,
the entries that relate to my HERSCHEL/HERSCHL/HIRSCHEL ancestors.

r Meir b c Zwi Herschel

PvM Benjamin Wolf b c Zwi Herschl

Gitel asht PvM Benjamin Wolf b Zwi Herschl

bch Simchah b PvM r Wolf

PvM r' Meir b r PvM r' Wolf Hirshel

Michael b PvM r' Meir Herschel

Fromet asht PvM r' Meir Herschl

I would greatly appreciate any help in deciphering these abbreviations
used by the transcriber.

Jeffrey Herrmann jeffrey.herrmann@gmail.com


German SIG #Germany Abbreviations used in Hamburg cemetery records #germany

Jeffrey Herrmann
 

In a file labelled "Hamburg birth and cemetery records" in
the Jacob Jacobson Collection at the Leo Baeck Institute there is a
transcription >from the (presumably) Yiddish records of the Wandsbek
Cemetery in Hamburg. The transcriber used various abbreviations but
provided no key to what they mean. I have set forth below, verbatim,
the entries that relate to my HERSCHEL/HERSCHL/HIRSCHEL ancestors.

r Meir b c Zwi Herschel

PvM Benjamin Wolf b c Zwi Herschl

Gitel asht PvM Benjamin Wolf b Zwi Herschl

bch Simchah b PvM r Wolf

PvM r' Meir b r PvM r' Wolf Hirshel

Michael b PvM r' Meir Herschel

Fromet asht PvM r' Meir Herschl

I would greatly appreciate any help in deciphering these abbreviations
used by the transcriber.

Jeffrey Herrmann jeffrey.herrmann@gmail.com


Re: adoption records UK #general

cecilia <myths@...>
 

https://www.gov.uk/adoption-records

Cecilia Nyleve

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On 12 Aug 2019 11:01:26 -0700, jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org (Karen
Renee Sobel k.silver915@gmail.com) wrote:

I am looking for someone in the UK to help assist in getting adoption
records on my friends Mother. She was adopted rather quickly
supposedly >from Cologne in 1938. The adoptive parents did not file for
birth certificate until 1950. I will accept any and all referrals.

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