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The Search Continues... #general

Ricki L. Zunk <rickiz@...>
 

First, I want to thank ALL of you who wrote to tell me how to find my
maternal ggparents in Philly. Unfortunately, I've tried just about
everything you have all suggested.

On Thursday, I spent 9 hours straight in the Miami-Dade Public Library,
going through the Philadelphia City Directories >from 1890 thru 1928 --
looking for anything that could help me with locating Ida Raizel
Levinsky COHAN and her husband Hyman/Haskell COHAN. I tried to glean as
much info as possible >from those directories. Here's what I found:

The family spelled their name C-O-H-A-N, but in every directory, it was
spelled C-O-H-E-N. No once was it spelled with an "A" in any of the
directories.

There were lots of Hyman Cohans there, but usually spelled H-Y-M-E-N.
I'm not sure what that meant.

In the 1910 directory, I found a listing for "COHEN, Ida widow, 523
Kater St., Phila., PA. THAT was my mggm! FINALLY, I thought that my
years of frustration were at an end. Immediately, I located the
enumeration district number for the 1910 census, and went directly to
the listing for 523 Kater St. My hand was shaking as I reeled through
the film. I just was so excited. And then... and then... and then I
got to the page with 523 Kater St. and found a HUGE family of Italians
living at that address. Not one COHAN or COHEN to be found anywhere.
The census data was recorded on April 15, 1910. Ida and her three
children were not living there when the census folks dropped by. I felt
totally crushed. My first real lead in more than two decades, and when
I get to the listing in the census they weren't there.

In the 1918 directory, I found a listing for George COHEN at 317 Cross
St. in Philly. George was my mgm's middle brother. In 1917 Louis, the
oldest child died, leaving George to head the family. Great!
Unfortunately, there were no census people around then to fill in the
blanks. Again, I crashed head first into a brick wall. Always just in
sight, but never quite getting there.

The only other bit of information I have is my mgm's marriage license
application. At that time (April 1924) she listed 917 Cross St. as her
home address. Right! Still no more information than that.

YES, I've written to every cemetery in business in by 1900. YES, I got
negative responses >from all of them. YES, I'd love to find a synagogue
with "life cycle" records >from that era, but I have no idea which one,
if any, my mggm belonged to. YES, I have thought about looking for
naturalization records, but I don't believe that my mggf lived in the
USA long enough to have applied. I know that his wife never did. YES,
I checked the information >from the death certificates of both of my
mgm's brothers, but nothing of help is found there. NO, the family did
not change their names in Philly -- only the City Directories have the
surname misspelled but all other records I have found >from my mgm and on
her oldest brother's death certificate and tombstone are correctly
spelled.

NOW WHAT????????? I'm feeling pretty well punched out! I wouldn't be
asking for help if I hadn't used ALL of the resources you all have
mentioned to me. In 20+ years, I've tried some pretty strange stuff,
believe me. If I lived in Philly, I'd probably spend weeks at the Balch
and many of the other locations where poor Jewish immigrants would have
gone for help in the 1890s thru 1920s. But I live in the suburbs of
Miami, FL, and the commute would cost a bit more than I can afford.

IF ANYONE has a NEW suggestions, please write to me privately.

TIA,
Ricki Randall Zunk
<rickiz@...>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen The Search Continues... #general

Ricki L. Zunk <rickiz@...>
 

First, I want to thank ALL of you who wrote to tell me how to find my
maternal ggparents in Philly. Unfortunately, I've tried just about
everything you have all suggested.

On Thursday, I spent 9 hours straight in the Miami-Dade Public Library,
going through the Philadelphia City Directories >from 1890 thru 1928 --
looking for anything that could help me with locating Ida Raizel
Levinsky COHAN and her husband Hyman/Haskell COHAN. I tried to glean as
much info as possible >from those directories. Here's what I found:

The family spelled their name C-O-H-A-N, but in every directory, it was
spelled C-O-H-E-N. No once was it spelled with an "A" in any of the
directories.

There were lots of Hyman Cohans there, but usually spelled H-Y-M-E-N.
I'm not sure what that meant.

In the 1910 directory, I found a listing for "COHEN, Ida widow, 523
Kater St., Phila., PA. THAT was my mggm! FINALLY, I thought that my
years of frustration were at an end. Immediately, I located the
enumeration district number for the 1910 census, and went directly to
the listing for 523 Kater St. My hand was shaking as I reeled through
the film. I just was so excited. And then... and then... and then I
got to the page with 523 Kater St. and found a HUGE family of Italians
living at that address. Not one COHAN or COHEN to be found anywhere.
The census data was recorded on April 15, 1910. Ida and her three
children were not living there when the census folks dropped by. I felt
totally crushed. My first real lead in more than two decades, and when
I get to the listing in the census they weren't there.

In the 1918 directory, I found a listing for George COHEN at 317 Cross
St. in Philly. George was my mgm's middle brother. In 1917 Louis, the
oldest child died, leaving George to head the family. Great!
Unfortunately, there were no census people around then to fill in the
blanks. Again, I crashed head first into a brick wall. Always just in
sight, but never quite getting there.

The only other bit of information I have is my mgm's marriage license
application. At that time (April 1924) she listed 917 Cross St. as her
home address. Right! Still no more information than that.

YES, I've written to every cemetery in business in by 1900. YES, I got
negative responses >from all of them. YES, I'd love to find a synagogue
with "life cycle" records >from that era, but I have no idea which one,
if any, my mggm belonged to. YES, I have thought about looking for
naturalization records, but I don't believe that my mggf lived in the
USA long enough to have applied. I know that his wife never did. YES,
I checked the information >from the death certificates of both of my
mgm's brothers, but nothing of help is found there. NO, the family did
not change their names in Philly -- only the City Directories have the
surname misspelled but all other records I have found >from my mgm and on
her oldest brother's death certificate and tombstone are correctly
spelled.

NOW WHAT????????? I'm feeling pretty well punched out! I wouldn't be
asking for help if I hadn't used ALL of the resources you all have
mentioned to me. In 20+ years, I've tried some pretty strange stuff,
believe me. If I lived in Philly, I'd probably spend weeks at the Balch
and many of the other locations where poor Jewish immigrants would have
gone for help in the 1890s thru 1920s. But I live in the suburbs of
Miami, FL, and the commute would cost a bit more than I can afford.

IF ANYONE has a NEW suggestions, please write to me privately.

TIA,
Ricki Randall Zunk
<rickiz@...>


Re: S: EKMAN/ECKMAN/ECKMANN - Dolginova #belarus

Jewel Fishkin <XJEWELX@...>
 

I have Horowitz and Rothman families >from Szhumsk. Then to S
t.Louis chicago Boston Milwaukee and Philadelphia--between
1890-1905.

Jewel Rosenthal Fishkin
Skokie,Illinois
xjewelx@...


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: S: EKMAN/ECKMAN/ECKMANN - Dolginova #belarus

Jewel Fishkin <XJEWELX@...>
 

I have Horowitz and Rothman families >from Szhumsk. Then to S
t.Louis chicago Boston Milwaukee and Philadelphia--between
1890-1905.

Jewel Rosenthal Fishkin
Skokie,Illinois
xjewelx@...


Re: Kovna #general

DBH12345
 

Subject: Kovna
From: barbaracjohnson@... (Barbara C. Johnson)
Date: 8/4/98 10:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:
<LYR6197-2138--approved-soc-genealogy-jewish@...>

When I recently looked at the 1920 Census for my maternal grandparents, I had
to search Walnut Street in CHELSEA, MA. Half
of Chelsea -- at least that particular area -- was >from Kovna. I remember
thinking, What happened in Kovna that the whole damn
town left. It was really quite remarkable. Neighbor after neighbor.

Some group should organize to copy >from the 1910 and 1920 Censuses (pl?) the
sreets containing the known pockets of Jewish
immigrants in certain cities, and put it up on the Net. At least it's in
English and will dispense with so much guessing at how
the names were spelled at the time they arrived and the shtetls/cities/towns
from which they came and the names of their
children living at the time...
During the late 19th Century, due to famine, pogroms,the desire to escape the
Czar's army, the opportunity for freedom and ecouragement >from shipping
companies, many Litvaks emigrated >from Lithuania to the US, South Africa, and
other places. In a process called "chain migration," families followed each
other and their neighbors to America. It was not unusual for the population of
entire shtetls to settle in the same towns. Burial and social service
societies were established to provide assistance to newcomers.

The LitvakSIG is particularly interested in this material. Whenever you are
photocopying census records and see pockets of residents >from Lithuanian towns
such as Kovno, please make some additional copies and send them to
<Litvaks@...>. We will add these records to our All Lithuania Database. See
<http://www.jewishgen.org/litvak>

David Hoffman
Co-Coordinator, LitvakSIG
Woodland Hills, CA
DBH12345@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Kovna #general

DBH12345
 

Subject: Kovna
From: barbaracjohnson@... (Barbara C. Johnson)
Date: 8/4/98 10:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:
<LYR6197-2138--approved-soc-genealogy-jewish@...>

When I recently looked at the 1920 Census for my maternal grandparents, I had
to search Walnut Street in CHELSEA, MA. Half
of Chelsea -- at least that particular area -- was >from Kovna. I remember
thinking, What happened in Kovna that the whole damn
town left. It was really quite remarkable. Neighbor after neighbor.

Some group should organize to copy >from the 1910 and 1920 Censuses (pl?) the
sreets containing the known pockets of Jewish
immigrants in certain cities, and put it up on the Net. At least it's in
English and will dispense with so much guessing at how
the names were spelled at the time they arrived and the shtetls/cities/towns
from which they came and the names of their
children living at the time...
During the late 19th Century, due to famine, pogroms,the desire to escape the
Czar's army, the opportunity for freedom and ecouragement >from shipping
companies, many Litvaks emigrated >from Lithuania to the US, South Africa, and
other places. In a process called "chain migration," families followed each
other and their neighbors to America. It was not unusual for the population of
entire shtetls to settle in the same towns. Burial and social service
societies were established to provide assistance to newcomers.

The LitvakSIG is particularly interested in this material. Whenever you are
photocopying census records and see pockets of residents >from Lithuanian towns
such as Kovno, please make some additional copies and send them to
<Litvaks@...>. We will add these records to our All Lithuania Database. See
<http://www.jewishgen.org/litvak>

David Hoffman
Co-Coordinator, LitvakSIG
Woodland Hills, CA
DBH12345@...


Judische Synagogengemeinde Koln #general

Luiz Alfredo Lilienthal <lilienth@...>
 

Dear Jewish Genners,
Could somebody send me the physical or e-mail address of the "Judische
Synagogengemeinde Koln" (Germany)??
Thank you so much.

Luiz Alfredo Lilienthal
Sao Paulo, Brazil

Mailto: lilienth@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Judische Synagogengemeinde Koln #general

Luiz Alfredo Lilienthal <lilienth@...>
 

Dear Jewish Genners,
Could somebody send me the physical or e-mail address of the "Judische
Synagogengemeinde Koln" (Germany)??
Thank you so much.

Luiz Alfredo Lilienthal
Sao Paulo, Brazil

Mailto: lilienth@...


Relationships #general

IsraelP <p2o5rock@...>
 

A reference to Rabbi Yehuda Gershon Pickholz in the book
"Meorei Galizia" says that he married the daughter of
Rabbi Meshullam Pickholz, who was therefore his brother,
his father-in-law and his brother-in-law.

I understand the father-in-law and brother - he married
his own niece. What other combination (not involving
second marriages) would make them brothers-in-law? Since
they were brothers, neither married the other's sister.
And since R. Yehuda Gershon married R. Meshullam's
daughter, they couldn't have married sisters. Or have
I overlooked something?

Israel Pickholtz
p2o5rock@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Relationships #general

IsraelP <p2o5rock@...>
 

A reference to Rabbi Yehuda Gershon Pickholz in the book
"Meorei Galizia" says that he married the daughter of
Rabbi Meshullam Pickholz, who was therefore his brother,
his father-in-law and his brother-in-law.

I understand the father-in-law and brother - he married
his own niece. What other combination (not involving
second marriages) would make them brothers-in-law? Since
they were brothers, neither married the other's sister.
And since R. Yehuda Gershon married R. Meshullam's
daughter, they couldn't have married sisters. Or have
I overlooked something?

Israel Pickholtz
p2o5rock@...


Searching LILIENTHAL and SCHLESINGER in Essen and Koln #general

Luiz Alfredo Lilienthal <lilienth@...>
 

Dear Jewish Genners,
I am a beginner in this subject and I trust the information I am passing
on to you is comprehensible and clear.

In the first place, I am looking for information on my ggrandfather,
Moses (Max) LILIENTHAL born in Essen, Germany, November 6, 1860, and who
died 1939 in Rezende, Brazil. I have no data about his parents and
according to family memories he was an only child. He was married to
Julie David (about whom I know absolutely nothing, but would like to
know) and moved to Koln (I don't know when), where his three children
were born: Elze, Karl (born December 21, 1893) and Fritz. Else married
Karl TEUTSCH, had a daughter called Anneliese and moved to London, where
she died in 1973 (her daughter died before her and left no descendants).
Karl, my grandfather, became a physician and married Nora SCHLESINGER
and had one son, my father Hans. The couple died in Sao Paulo, Brazil.
Fritz moved to Amsterdam, where he had a tobacco shop, and where he
married a Dutch girl, Clara (? surname). Both died in a concentration
camp (no info available). As far as it is known, they left no
descendants.

On the other side, I would also like to find out details on the family
of my grandmother Nora. She was born in Essen, Germany, on March 28,
1895, daughter of Dr. Vet. Martin SCHLESINGER and Anna Maria Paulina
Walevska SCHLESINGER (? Maiden name), both born in Upper Silesia
(Oberschlesien) (names of city or cities unknown as well as their
birth-dates). In all, they had ten children (two of which died as
infants - their names are not known) and all of them were born in
Essen. The order of birth in unknown to me.

My grandmother Nora had a twin sister, Irmgard. She married Dr Bruno
BARBASCH, settled in Israel, and had two daughters: Anita and Lore
(both born in Germany, perhaps in Berlin). Anita died in her twenties,
in Israel, shortly after being widowed (name of husband unknown). Lore
(who must be in her late sixties today) married E. (?) PRAEGER and had
one son, Dan (Daniel?) PRAEGER. For some time they lived in Beverly
Hills, CA, but I lost contact. Irmgard BARBASCH died in Israel in the
60's. The other SCHLESINGER children were:

- Hans SCHLESINGER, who may have changed his name to SCHLE, SCHLEE or
SCHLEGER, married Helen (? surname) and had at least one daughter, named
Barbara. They also moved to Israel; it is said of him that he was a
great musician and that for some time he was the musical director of
either Radio Jersusalem or Tel-Aviv.
- Sabine SCHLESINGER. The only thing known about her is that about 1970
she lived in the US.
- Erna SCHLESINGER. She married (? name) PIRKOSCH and had at least one
son called Rolf PIRKOSCH. The last news >from her was that she was an
actress and lived in Stuttgart, Germany.
- Ada SCHLESINGER - no data.
- Fritz SCHLESINGER - no data. Last info: lived in Essen.
- Ilse SCHLESINGER - lived and died in Essen.

I'd be extremely thankful for any information anybody could let me have
about any of the persons mentioned.

Luiz Alfredo Lilienthal
Sao Paulo, Brazil

mailto: lilienth@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching LILIENTHAL and SCHLESINGER in Essen and Koln #general

Luiz Alfredo Lilienthal <lilienth@...>
 

Dear Jewish Genners,
I am a beginner in this subject and I trust the information I am passing
on to you is comprehensible and clear.

In the first place, I am looking for information on my ggrandfather,
Moses (Max) LILIENTHAL born in Essen, Germany, November 6, 1860, and who
died 1939 in Rezende, Brazil. I have no data about his parents and
according to family memories he was an only child. He was married to
Julie David (about whom I know absolutely nothing, but would like to
know) and moved to Koln (I don't know when), where his three children
were born: Elze, Karl (born December 21, 1893) and Fritz. Else married
Karl TEUTSCH, had a daughter called Anneliese and moved to London, where
she died in 1973 (her daughter died before her and left no descendants).
Karl, my grandfather, became a physician and married Nora SCHLESINGER
and had one son, my father Hans. The couple died in Sao Paulo, Brazil.
Fritz moved to Amsterdam, where he had a tobacco shop, and where he
married a Dutch girl, Clara (? surname). Both died in a concentration
camp (no info available). As far as it is known, they left no
descendants.

On the other side, I would also like to find out details on the family
of my grandmother Nora. She was born in Essen, Germany, on March 28,
1895, daughter of Dr. Vet. Martin SCHLESINGER and Anna Maria Paulina
Walevska SCHLESINGER (? Maiden name), both born in Upper Silesia
(Oberschlesien) (names of city or cities unknown as well as their
birth-dates). In all, they had ten children (two of which died as
infants - their names are not known) and all of them were born in
Essen. The order of birth in unknown to me.

My grandmother Nora had a twin sister, Irmgard. She married Dr Bruno
BARBASCH, settled in Israel, and had two daughters: Anita and Lore
(both born in Germany, perhaps in Berlin). Anita died in her twenties,
in Israel, shortly after being widowed (name of husband unknown). Lore
(who must be in her late sixties today) married E. (?) PRAEGER and had
one son, Dan (Daniel?) PRAEGER. For some time they lived in Beverly
Hills, CA, but I lost contact. Irmgard BARBASCH died in Israel in the
60's. The other SCHLESINGER children were:

- Hans SCHLESINGER, who may have changed his name to SCHLE, SCHLEE or
SCHLEGER, married Helen (? surname) and had at least one daughter, named
Barbara. They also moved to Israel; it is said of him that he was a
great musician and that for some time he was the musical director of
either Radio Jersusalem or Tel-Aviv.
- Sabine SCHLESINGER. The only thing known about her is that about 1970
she lived in the US.
- Erna SCHLESINGER. She married (? name) PIRKOSCH and had at least one
son called Rolf PIRKOSCH. The last news >from her was that she was an
actress and lived in Stuttgart, Germany.
- Ada SCHLESINGER - no data.
- Fritz SCHLESINGER - no data. Last info: lived in Essen.
- Ilse SCHLESINGER - lived and died in Essen.

I'd be extremely thankful for any information anybody could let me have
about any of the persons mentioned.

Luiz Alfredo Lilienthal
Sao Paulo, Brazil

mailto: lilienth@...


Titow and other surnames #general

PJS Enterprises
 

Shalom,

I'm trying to trace the surname TITOW. My great grandparents were
Philip and Mary/Martha TITOW. Philip was a shoemaker and had a store
in Fall River, Mass. Their children were Benjamin, Jean, Sadie, Ida
and Rose. I know Benjamin went into the Navy. I also found a Benjamin
Titow in Arizona, but have failed at attempts to make contact with
him. I looked up TITOW on the four11 search site, there were several,
but the emails came back undeliverable. Is anyone out there related
to, or know of someone named TITOW. I've gone to the cemetery and
have
their death certificates. I'm at a dead end. Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Susan Jonesia
jonesia@...

BOCHENEK, STRAUSS, TITOW, WASSERMAN, OLSZTEIN, OLDSTONE


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Titow and other surnames #general

PJS Enterprises
 

Shalom,

I'm trying to trace the surname TITOW. My great grandparents were
Philip and Mary/Martha TITOW. Philip was a shoemaker and had a store
in Fall River, Mass. Their children were Benjamin, Jean, Sadie, Ida
and Rose. I know Benjamin went into the Navy. I also found a Benjamin
Titow in Arizona, but have failed at attempts to make contact with
him. I looked up TITOW on the four11 search site, there were several,
but the emails came back undeliverable. Is anyone out there related
to, or know of someone named TITOW. I've gone to the cemetery and
have
their death certificates. I'm at a dead end. Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Susan Jonesia
jonesia@...

BOCHENEK, STRAUSS, TITOW, WASSERMAN, OLSZTEIN, OLDSTONE


Re: Which New Haven Ct. cemetery? #general

SandraLa <sandrala@...>
 

Looking for cemetery location for ggrand-father SHIMEL UDEL BERKOFF GLESER in
New Haven about 1907. GLAZER/GLASER/GLESER grand-parents were married at the
Rose St. Shul, 1903 New Haven. Any info greatly appreciated. Will gladly send
material re Litvak (Kovna) migration >from New Haven to Bellingham, WA.
Sandra Lake
sandrala@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Which New Haven Ct. cemetery? #general

SandraLa <sandrala@...>
 

Looking for cemetery location for ggrand-father SHIMEL UDEL BERKOFF GLESER in
New Haven about 1907. GLAZER/GLASER/GLESER grand-parents were married at the
Rose St. Shul, 1903 New Haven. Any info greatly appreciated. Will gladly send
material re Litvak (Kovna) migration >from New Haven to Bellingham, WA.
Sandra Lake
sandrala@...


Marriage records from Rotterdam, The Netherlands #general

Norman Feldman <felvelnic@...>
 

Anyone have any suggestions on accessing marriage records in Rotterdam from
the last 6months of 1904? I'd appreciate your help.

Norman Feldman
Albuquerque,NM


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Marriage records from Rotterdam, The Netherlands #general

Norman Feldman <felvelnic@...>
 

Anyone have any suggestions on accessing marriage records in Rotterdam from
the last 6months of 1904? I'd appreciate your help.

Norman Feldman
Albuquerque,NM


Irish Jewish Surnames Index: Pre 1901 #general

Niall Foley <niallf@...>
 

A list of almost 300 surnames found in Ireland in the period up to
1901 may be found at my temporary website:

http://members.tripod.com/Niallf/Surnames.htm (this URL is case
sensitive).

Many of the names appear to be rare in that they do not appear in the
JewishGen Family Finder. The first name listed is that of Rabbi Aaron
Sophair ("Aaron the scribe"). He was the Rabbi and marriage broker of
the Dublin Jewish Community circa 5463.

I would welcome any comments on or additions to this list by private
e-mail to: niallf@...

Niall Foley
Dublin, Ireland.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Irish Jewish Surnames Index: Pre 1901 #general

Niall Foley <niallf@...>
 

A list of almost 300 surnames found in Ireland in the period up to
1901 may be found at my temporary website:

http://members.tripod.com/Niallf/Surnames.htm (this URL is case
sensitive).

Many of the names appear to be rare in that they do not appear in the
JewishGen Family Finder. The first name listed is that of Rabbi Aaron
Sophair ("Aaron the scribe"). He was the Rabbi and marriage broker of
the Dublin Jewish Community circa 5463.

I would welcome any comments on or additions to this list by private
e-mail to: niallf@...

Niall Foley
Dublin, Ireland.