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Confused by Revision list postings [1] #lithuania

Mort & Esther Cohen <cohen@...>
 

On (10 Aug 98) this message and reply were posted:



Subject: Re: Vilkomir District Revision Lists
From: <DBH12345@...>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:20:49 EDT
X-Message-Number: 7

In a message dated 8/10/98 12:22:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
szome@... writes:

<< Has anyone seen revision lists for Vilkomir District for 1874,1879?
These are listed in Mr. Rhode's book on Lithuanian archive holdings. I
would like to research the pages for Podzelva, Vilkomir District. I
look forward to the 1858 Vilkomir District Revision List going online,
but the lists for the 1870's would be more useful for my genealogical
purposes.

Steven Weiss
Chicago
>>

Dear Steve,
We don't have the 1874 or 1879 Vilkomir Revision Lists, but the
Vilkomir Uyezd Research group of the LitvakSIG has acquired the
1858 Revision List. For those of you who are not yet a part of our
Vilkomir District research group, I am using this as an opportunity
to restate what these lists include, and ask for further support.

<snip>

The Vilkomir Revision Lists separately list merchants, inhabitants
and craftsmen, and provide a lot of information about what happened
to each person since the last revision List in 1850 and for a
seventeen year period until the next revision list (1876).

Here is where I get confused :-)
How does an 1858 revision list provide data for a 17 year period -
till 1876. Was the 1858 Revision list actually closed in 1876,
making it an 1876 revision of the 1858 list?

Add to my confusion was this Aug 11 post:

Subject: Vilkomir District Revision Lists
From: Ada Greenblatt <ada.Greenblatt@...>
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:00:53 +0000
X-Message-Number: 4

On 8/10/98 Steven Weiss <szome@...> wrote:

Has anyone seen revision lists for Vilkomir District for 1874,1879?
<snip>
And and Ada Greenblatt commented:

In a letter dated 1 August 1995 >from the Lithuanian State Historic
Archives, chief archivist Galina Baranova wrote:
"The archives keeps some Revision lists of the residents of Jewish
communities of the Vilkomir district for the 19th century.
Revision lists for the year 1858 are more complete."
And again on 21 August 1995, Galina wrote:
"I have looked through all revision lists of residents of Seta,
including 1858-1859, 1874, 1878-1880, 1893-1894. I have looked
through all Jewish communities of the Vilkomir district for the
year 1858. These revision lists are more complete. Another
revision lists are additional revision lists."
Thus the decision of the SIG's Vilkomir Uyezd Research group to
concentrate their resources on the 1858 Vilkomir district list was
a wise one because it is the most complete, as opposed to the
additional revision lists of later years.
<snip>

Without arguing the SIGs decision to focus on the 1858 list (which
I gather was actually closed in 1876); (1) what are the
corresponding information dates included in the later Revision
lists?, (2) What is the fee for individual requests to the archives
for searches of these later less complete lists? and (3)Is data so
sparse in the later lists as to make success unlikely?

Forgive me if everyone else already understands this.

Mort Cohen, Rochester NY USA
(cohen@...)


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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Confused by Revision list postings [1] #lithuania

Mort & Esther Cohen <cohen@...>
 

On (10 Aug 98) this message and reply were posted:



Subject: Re: Vilkomir District Revision Lists
From: <DBH12345@...>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:20:49 EDT
X-Message-Number: 7

In a message dated 8/10/98 12:22:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
szome@... writes:

<< Has anyone seen revision lists for Vilkomir District for 1874,1879?
These are listed in Mr. Rhode's book on Lithuanian archive holdings. I
would like to research the pages for Podzelva, Vilkomir District. I
look forward to the 1858 Vilkomir District Revision List going online,
but the lists for the 1870's would be more useful for my genealogical
purposes.

Steven Weiss
Chicago
>>

Dear Steve,
We don't have the 1874 or 1879 Vilkomir Revision Lists, but the
Vilkomir Uyezd Research group of the LitvakSIG has acquired the
1858 Revision List. For those of you who are not yet a part of our
Vilkomir District research group, I am using this as an opportunity
to restate what these lists include, and ask for further support.

<snip>

The Vilkomir Revision Lists separately list merchants, inhabitants
and craftsmen, and provide a lot of information about what happened
to each person since the last revision List in 1850 and for a
seventeen year period until the next revision list (1876).

Here is where I get confused :-)
How does an 1858 revision list provide data for a 17 year period -
till 1876. Was the 1858 Revision list actually closed in 1876,
making it an 1876 revision of the 1858 list?

Add to my confusion was this Aug 11 post:

Subject: Vilkomir District Revision Lists
From: Ada Greenblatt <ada.Greenblatt@...>
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:00:53 +0000
X-Message-Number: 4

On 8/10/98 Steven Weiss <szome@...> wrote:

Has anyone seen revision lists for Vilkomir District for 1874,1879?
<snip>
And and Ada Greenblatt commented:

In a letter dated 1 August 1995 >from the Lithuanian State Historic
Archives, chief archivist Galina Baranova wrote:
"The archives keeps some Revision lists of the residents of Jewish
communities of the Vilkomir district for the 19th century.
Revision lists for the year 1858 are more complete."
And again on 21 August 1995, Galina wrote:
"I have looked through all revision lists of residents of Seta,
including 1858-1859, 1874, 1878-1880, 1893-1894. I have looked
through all Jewish communities of the Vilkomir district for the
year 1858. These revision lists are more complete. Another
revision lists are additional revision lists."
Thus the decision of the SIG's Vilkomir Uyezd Research group to
concentrate their resources on the 1858 Vilkomir district list was
a wise one because it is the most complete, as opposed to the
additional revision lists of later years.
<snip>

Without arguing the SIGs decision to focus on the 1858 list (which
I gather was actually closed in 1876); (1) what are the
corresponding information dates included in the later Revision
lists?, (2) What is the fee for individual requests to the archives
for searches of these later less complete lists? and (3)Is data so
sparse in the later lists as to make success unlikely?

Forgive me if everyone else already understands this.

Mort Cohen, Rochester NY USA
(cohen@...)


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Biographical Archives fiche sets #general

Gary Luke <feraltek@...>
 

I have a brochure >from 1995 >from Saur Verlag of Germany, with distribution
by Thorpe in Australia and NZ, others for USA, and UK. It gives brief
descriptions of very expensive sets of fiche. eg - The Jewish Biographical
Archive is a collection of biographies >from biblical times to mid-20th
century. 650 fiche for $20,000. The Polish set runs >from early 17th c. to
approx 1945, 550 fiche @ $16k, with biographies >from 150 various old
references. There are sets for Italy, Germany, Spanish, American, British,
Czechoslovakian, and a few others. Some have proposed publication in a
couple of years >from then, 1995.

Does anyone know whether these were all published, and if so, are copies
avalable anywhere for viewing?

Gary
Gary Luke feraltek@...
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Biographical Archives fiche sets #general

Gary Luke <feraltek@...>
 

I have a brochure >from 1995 >from Saur Verlag of Germany, with distribution
by Thorpe in Australia and NZ, others for USA, and UK. It gives brief
descriptions of very expensive sets of fiche. eg - The Jewish Biographical
Archive is a collection of biographies >from biblical times to mid-20th
century. 650 fiche for $20,000. The Polish set runs >from early 17th c. to
approx 1945, 550 fiche @ $16k, with biographies >from 150 various old
references. There are sets for Italy, Germany, Spanish, American, British,
Czechoslovakian, and a few others. Some have proposed publication in a
couple of years >from then, 1995.

Does anyone know whether these were all published, and if so, are copies
avalable anywhere for viewing?

Gary
Gary Luke feraltek@...
Telechan & Lohishin #general

Arthur Eisenberg <ae9h@...>
 

There have been a couple of postings about these places since the advent
of the Belarus SIG.
WHERE ONCE WE WALK lists them as different names for the same place.
This is not accurate.
Telechan is at 52 31'/25 59'
Lohishin is at 52 20'/ 25 59'

Gary Mokotoff has assured me that this will be corrected some time in the
future.

Arthur Eisenberg
Newton Ma
ae9h@...
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Telechan & Lohishin #general

Arthur Eisenberg <ae9h@...>
 

There have been a couple of postings about these places since the advent
of the Belarus SIG.
WHERE ONCE WE WALK lists them as different names for the same place.
This is not accurate.
Telechan is at 52 31'/25 59'
Lohishin is at 52 20'/ 25 59'

Gary Mokotoff has assured me that this will be corrected some time in the
future.

Arthur Eisenberg
Newton Ma
ae9h@...
Searching HAAS #general

Richard H Henley <rhenley1@...>
 

Looking for news about Joseph Haas who emigrated to the USA from
Switzerland about 1850-1860. Settled in New London, CT and married
Katherine Hamel. They had about 8 children and he may have worked as a
baker. I believe he died about 1932 in Sharon, Massachusetts.
Richard H Henley
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching HAAS #general

Richard H Henley <rhenley1@...>
 

Looking for news about Joseph Haas who emigrated to the USA from
Switzerland about 1850-1860. Settled in New London, CT and married
Katherine Hamel. They had about 8 children and he may have worked as a
baker. I believe he died about 1932 in Sharon, Massachusetts.
Richard H Henley
Re: Abrahamson #general

Glynne
 

In the Summer 1998 edition of "Avotaynu" there was article on "Jewish Colonists
in Ekaterinoslav Guberniya" regarding RAGAS Report Vol. IV, 1 which has a
listing of surnames of the Jewish Colonists for New-Zlatopol and other
colonies. I wrote an e-mail to the RAGAS Report asking how to get a copy and
haven't heard >from them yet. Does anyone have a copy of the actual RAGAS
article.

Gay Lynne Kegan
Palm Desert, CA
Gay Lynne Kegan
Searching:HOFFENBERG, Josvainiai, Lithuania OWSIANKA Nasielsk Poland,
GOMER/GAMMER Chudnov, Urkaine KAGAN Novozlatopol Ukraine
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Abrahamson #general

Glynne
 

In the Summer 1998 edition of "Avotaynu" there was article on "Jewish Colonists
in Ekaterinoslav Guberniya" regarding RAGAS Report Vol. IV, 1 which has a
listing of surnames of the Jewish Colonists for New-Zlatopol and other
colonies. I wrote an e-mail to the RAGAS Report asking how to get a copy and
haven't heard >from them yet. Does anyone have a copy of the actual RAGAS
article.

Gay Lynne Kegan
Palm Desert, CA
Gay Lynne Kegan
Searching:HOFFENBERG, Josvainiai, Lithuania OWSIANKA Nasielsk Poland,
GOMER/GAMMER Chudnov, Urkaine KAGAN Novozlatopol Ukraine
Re: first name Rudy? #general

Linda Laporte <lindal@...>
 

Hi the name Rudy is indeed Rudolph but also spelled Rudolf.  Just for your
information. Linda Laporte

Alexander Sharon wrote:

M. Kearns <mkearns@u.washington.edu>.
Can someone tell me what the first name Rudy is short for, and maybe what
its Hebrew equivalent may be (I knoow there is no "equivalent", but
what's most common)?

thanks,

Megan Kearns
Seattle
Rudy (or Rudek) used to be very popular abbreviation for Rudolph.

Alexander Sharon
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: first name Rudy? #general

Linda Laporte <lindal@...>
 

Hi the name Rudy is indeed Rudolph but also spelled Rudolf.  Just for your
information. Linda Laporte

Alexander Sharon wrote:

M. Kearns <mkearns@u.washington.edu>.
Can someone tell me what the first name Rudy is short for, and maybe what
its Hebrew equivalent may be (I knoow there is no "equivalent", but
what's most common)?

thanks,

Megan Kearns
Seattle
Rudy (or Rudek) used to be very popular abbreviation for Rudolph.

Alexander Sharon
Re: Lusitania passenger list #belarus

cohentalk@...
 

I am copying the list for the Lusitania, September 19, 1913, arrival to NYC.
Not all of it is clear, so I'm making 'guesstimates' of names and towns. Most
of the occupations listed were as tailoress or farm laborer.(Hebrews unless
noted). Hope it helps someone. And if so, please let me know!

GROUP 38 passengers on the Lusitania:
LAMKO, Chaie Golde--age 60--Odessa
GOLDFARB,Chaika--17--Bobrik
JUN(S)EFOWICZ,Machle--18--Rochewo
ITZHOFSKY,Elje--22--Migl(t)in
EFROSMAN,Pea(s)je--19--Diwera(Drinesa)
G???NBERG(GREENBERG?),Chane--18--K?imnov(Komnaro?)
GOLUBITZKY,Boruch--17--Skrigano
KWASHNIK family Riwha--42--& 4 kids--Lyoc??hewo(Lyco??bervo?)
?(G)RUBER, Moses?--25--Odessa
WELTMAN,Joseph--16--Wilna
MALKIN,Jankel--28--Mozys(r)
SCHAPERO,Gaws?el--Boborisk
GLUCK,Tauba--22--Reschira
GLUCK,Chana--18--same town
OTLIVANKIN,Benzion--16--Minsk
WINNIK family Chaja--48--& 2kids--Daw Gowdok
EPSTEIN,Sore--21--???loz
K(R)OUGLAJA--?(?)ana-22--Russian--Budrig
K(OR)WAT(KRIVAT?),Sore,--21--Rosischze
KORWAT ^ above, Ester--18--same town
?GORODINSKY,Schefora--55--Boboy
DURC?ZIN--Nuch?im--17--Gorodok
ZAITZ--Idel--18--Dubrowicz
WALACH(Wala?h?),?Csif--30--Russian--Belawitz

Best of luck to all,
Linda Cohen
cohentalk@...
Michigan
Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Lusitania passenger list #belarus

cohentalk@...
 

I am copying the list for the Lusitania, September 19, 1913, arrival to NYC.
Not all of it is clear, so I'm making 'guesstimates' of names and towns. Most
of the occupations listed were as tailoress or farm laborer.(Hebrews unless
noted). Hope it helps someone. And if so, please let me know!

GROUP 38 passengers on the Lusitania:
LAMKO, Chaie Golde--age 60--Odessa
GOLDFARB,Chaika--17--Bobrik
JUN(S)EFOWICZ,Machle--18--Rochewo
ITZHOFSKY,Elje--22--Migl(t)in
EFROSMAN,Pea(s)je--19--Diwera(Drinesa)
G???NBERG(GREENBERG?),Chane--18--K?imnov(Komnaro?)
GOLUBITZKY,Boruch--17--Skrigano
KWASHNIK family Riwha--42--& 4 kids--Lyoc??hewo(Lyco??bervo?)
?(G)RUBER, Moses?--25--Odessa
WELTMAN,Joseph--16--Wilna
MALKIN,Jankel--28--Mozys(r)
SCHAPERO,Gaws?el--Boborisk
GLUCK,Tauba--22--Reschira
GLUCK,Chana--18--same town
OTLIVANKIN,Benzion--16--Minsk
WINNIK family Chaja--48--& 2kids--Daw Gowdok
EPSTEIN,Sore--21--???loz
K(R)OUGLAJA--?(?)ana-22--Russian--Budrig
K(OR)WAT(KRIVAT?),Sore,--21--Rosischze
KORWAT ^ above, Ester--18--same town
?GORODINSKY,Schefora--55--Boboy
DURC?ZIN--Nuch?im--17--Gorodok
ZAITZ--Idel--18--Dubrowicz
WALACH(Wala?h?),?Csif--30--Russian--Belawitz

Best of luck to all,
Linda Cohen
cohentalk@...
Michigan
Pillisdorfs #general

TKDFB12480 <tkdfb12480@...>
 

I'm a first-generation American looking for background on my mother, Fanny
Goldstein. She came to New York >from Hungary in 1904 and married a Pillisdorf.
Anyone out there who can help?

MODERATOR NOTE: We invite you to "help yourself"
to the many resources offered by JewishGen. Here
is how: Go to our homepage at:
http://www.jewishgen.org

Under the heading RESEARCH you will find :
JewishGen FamilyFinder (JGFF). To add your data
select - ENTER - which will take you through the
process as a first time entrant.
Also go to - SEARCH - and look for other people
researching the same surnames.

Under the heading LEARN you will find :
FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) and InfoFiles.
A great resource for those just starting their
genealogy.

Finally, one more source: All messages posted
after September 1993 can be found in the JewishGen
Discussion Group Archives at:
http://www1.jewishgen.org/databases/archive.htm
Search for your surnames and see if anyone has ever
sent messages mentioning them.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Pillisdorfs #general

TKDFB12480 <tkdfb12480@...>
 

I'm a first-generation American looking for background on my mother, Fanny
Goldstein. She came to New York >from Hungary in 1904 and married a Pillisdorf.
Anyone out there who can help?

MODERATOR NOTE: We invite you to "help yourself"
to the many resources offered by JewishGen. Here
is how: Go to our homepage at:
http://www.jewishgen.org

Under the heading RESEARCH you will find :
JewishGen FamilyFinder (JGFF). To add your data
select - ENTER - which will take you through the
process as a first time entrant.
Also go to - SEARCH - and look for other people
researching the same surnames.

Under the heading LEARN you will find :
FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) and InfoFiles.
A great resource for those just starting their
genealogy.

Finally, one more source: All messages posted
after September 1993 can be found in the JewishGen
Discussion Group Archives at:
http://www1.jewishgen.org/databases/archive.htm
Search for your surnames and see if anyone has ever
sent messages mentioning them.
surname MELTSNER #general

AGBALOO@...
 

I am researching the MELTSNERS >from Lithuania (Kovno region). Does anyone
know what, if anything, Meltsner means. I had once heard that the name may
imply that they were malt merchants. Perhaps there is a hebrew meaning.

Thank you,
Allison George
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen surname MELTSNER #general

AGBALOO@...
 

I am researching the MELTSNERS >from Lithuania (Kovno region). Does anyone
know what, if anything, Meltsner means. I had once heard that the name may
imply that they were malt merchants. Perhaps there is a hebrew meaning.

Thank you,
Allison George
Re: Castle Garden/Ellis Island #general

Jessica Schein <jesshschein@...>
 

There have been many discussions on this before. The JewishGen archives
can provide some good information. I am not going to repeat it here.
Jessica Schein
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Castle Garden/Ellis Island #general

Jessica Schein <jesshschein@...>
 

There have been many discussions on this before. The JewishGen archives
can provide some good information. I am not going to repeat it here.
Jessica Schein
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