Date   
JFRA Israel - Ra'anana - Wednesday, 8 February, #general

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
 

Wednesday, February 8, 7 p.m.
JFRA Israel - Ra'anana branch (English)

Everyone interested in Jewish history and family
history is invited to this meeting with visiting
expert

Dr. Neil Rosenstein, New Jersey US
"The true story of Saul Wahl, the Jewish King of
Poland for a day"

One of the foremost genealogists and author of
essential books (Unbroken Chain Vol. I/II, Luria
Family) and articles (Avotaynu, etc.), Dr. Rosenstein
will present an illustrated lecture (English) based on
his next book in preparation.

For the first time, he will present the legends and
facts behind the Jewish "King for a Day" of Poland,
Saul Wahl. A master at separating fact >from fiction,
Rosenstein will offer historical research pointing out
errors and inconsistencies, and the true events.

Doors and library open 7 pm; program 7.30 pm
Bet Fischer, 5 Klausner St., Ra'anana
JFRA members: NIS 5; others: NIS 20.
Membership checks accepted: NIS 100, single; NIS 160,
couple.
Info/reservations: Ingrid Rockberger,
ingrid@...

We look forward to greeting you.

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
President, JFRA Israel
schelly@...
schelly@...

Re: New Free UK-Research Database #general

Nachum Tuchman
 

Hi,

You get the page number on top. You can click to go forward or
backward a page at a time, or you can change the page number to jump
more pages at a single shot. You would have to estimate an
approximate number of pages to jump. It may be time consuming, but if
you find what you're looking for, it's worth it.

I had not been able to find when either of my wife's 2 English great
grandmother's died. Through the data base, I found one of them.
It only gives me the quarter of the year in which she died, but at
least it's better than what I knew before.

I'd like to thank the poster (I accidentally deleted the original post
and don't remember who it was) for tipping us off on this.

Nachum Tuchman
Tekoa, Israel

Searching:
TUCHMAN / KLARMAN / ASPIS - Busko-Zdroj Poland, Kielce Gubernia
LIEBERMAN/KALUSHEVITZ / ZYSSMAN/TZIGUTCH - Lowicz Poland
RAIDER / REJDER / GINSBERG - Soly/Smorgon Belarus
ROSINSKY / BAYLETT / PAILET / BERNSTEIN - London
KIWI - Samter, Posen/Berlin BUETOW - Zeitz/Berlin

On 1/31/06, Sherry L Mayrent <oyfpro@...> wrote:

There's an interesting glitch in this database -- I was searching for
my last name (MAYRENT), and when I entered it, all the hits I got
were for pages that started with Mc and ended with a name beginning
with Me -- the program evidently thinks that Mc is the same as Mac,
which it is not. So I was effectively barred >from finding any useful
images. Bummer.

Sherry Mayrent

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JFRA Israel - Ra'anana - Wednesday, 8 February, #general

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
 

Wednesday, February 8, 7 p.m.
JFRA Israel - Ra'anana branch (English)

Everyone interested in Jewish history and family
history is invited to this meeting with visiting
expert

Dr. Neil Rosenstein, New Jersey US
"The true story of Saul Wahl, the Jewish King of
Poland for a day"

One of the foremost genealogists and author of
essential books (Unbroken Chain Vol. I/II, Luria
Family) and articles (Avotaynu, etc.), Dr. Rosenstein
will present an illustrated lecture (English) based on
his next book in preparation.

For the first time, he will present the legends and
facts behind the Jewish "King for a Day" of Poland,
Saul Wahl. A master at separating fact >from fiction,
Rosenstein will offer historical research pointing out
errors and inconsistencies, and the true events.

Doors and library open 7 pm; program 7.30 pm
Bet Fischer, 5 Klausner St., Ra'anana
JFRA members: NIS 5; others: NIS 20.
Membership checks accepted: NIS 100, single; NIS 160,
couple.
Info/reservations: Ingrid Rockberger,
ingrid@...

We look forward to greeting you.

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
President, JFRA Israel
schelly@...
schelly@...

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: New Free UK-Research Database #general

Nachum Tuchman
 

Hi,

You get the page number on top. You can click to go forward or
backward a page at a time, or you can change the page number to jump
more pages at a single shot. You would have to estimate an
approximate number of pages to jump. It may be time consuming, but if
you find what you're looking for, it's worth it.

I had not been able to find when either of my wife's 2 English great
grandmother's died. Through the data base, I found one of them.
It only gives me the quarter of the year in which she died, but at
least it's better than what I knew before.

I'd like to thank the poster (I accidentally deleted the original post
and don't remember who it was) for tipping us off on this.

Nachum Tuchman
Tekoa, Israel

Searching:
TUCHMAN / KLARMAN / ASPIS - Busko-Zdroj Poland, Kielce Gubernia
LIEBERMAN/KALUSHEVITZ / ZYSSMAN/TZIGUTCH - Lowicz Poland
RAIDER / REJDER / GINSBERG - Soly/Smorgon Belarus
ROSINSKY / BAYLETT / PAILET / BERNSTEIN - London
KIWI - Samter, Posen/Berlin BUETOW - Zeitz/Berlin

On 1/31/06, Sherry L Mayrent <oyfpro@...> wrote:

There's an interesting glitch in this database -- I was searching for
my last name (MAYRENT), and when I entered it, all the hits I got
were for pages that started with Mc and ended with a name beginning
with Me -- the program evidently thinks that Mc is the same as Mac,
which it is not. So I was effectively barred >from finding any useful
images. Bummer.

Sherry Mayrent

Former Soviet Union Records [USSR] #lithuania

gerald gaffin <gerald.shirley@...>
 

Looking through the countries listed on the Jewishgen.org site, there
appears to not details related to those areas of Stalinist Russia - apart
from Belarus and Ukraine - that fell into Nazi hands. Essentially, this
comprises the area North & East of the former Baltic States, up as far as
Lake Ladoga, including the Leningrad region.

Where can one find family details that would - possibly - have been recorded
in this specific area ?

Dr Gerald S. Gaffin [JGFF # 61823]

Researching : ITSICOVICH ; LEIB ; GAFFIN ; CHAZEN ; BERMAN -all originally
from Leningrad region or Kovno Guberniya of Tsarist Lithuania, and who
subsequently migrated to England in the late 19th C.

Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Former Soviet Union Records [USSR] #lithuania

gerald gaffin <gerald.shirley@...>
 

Looking through the countries listed on the Jewishgen.org site, there
appears to not details related to those areas of Stalinist Russia - apart
from Belarus and Ukraine - that fell into Nazi hands. Essentially, this
comprises the area North & East of the former Baltic States, up as far as
Lake Ladoga, including the Leningrad region.

Where can one find family details that would - possibly - have been recorded
in this specific area ?

Dr Gerald S. Gaffin [JGFF # 61823]

Researching : ITSICOVICH ; LEIB ; GAFFIN ; CHAZEN ; BERMAN -all originally
from Leningrad region or Kovno Guberniya of Tsarist Lithuania, and who
subsequently migrated to England in the late 19th C.

Re: Dates difference Russian/Ours #lithuania

Meri-Jane Rochelson <rochelso@...>
 

The date on the Gregorian calendar (the one we use) is thirteen days
later than the date on the Julian (old Russian) calendar. So March 12,
1902 would have been March 25 in western Europe and America. I don't
know exactly when the Russian calendar was changed to conform, but I
think it was at the time of the 1917 revolution. Lithuanian Jewish
vital records will also usually include the Hebrew date, so if you have
a concordance for the Hebrew and Gregorian calendars you can use that as
a double-check.

Meri-Jane Rochelson
Miami, FL


Rosalind Romem wrote:



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Please could someone give me the secular date for the Russian (per
birth certificate 1903) 12/March 1903.

Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Dates difference Russian/Ours #lithuania

Meri-Jane Rochelson <rochelso@...>
 

The date on the Gregorian calendar (the one we use) is thirteen days
later than the date on the Julian (old Russian) calendar. So March 12,
1902 would have been March 25 in western Europe and America. I don't
know exactly when the Russian calendar was changed to conform, but I
think it was at the time of the 1917 revolution. Lithuanian Jewish
vital records will also usually include the Hebrew date, so if you have
a concordance for the Hebrew and Gregorian calendars you can use that as
a double-check.

Meri-Jane Rochelson
Miami, FL


Rosalind Romem wrote:



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Please could someone give me the secular date for the Russian (per
birth certificate 1903) 12/March 1903.

trasnistria #general

Jeana Roden <jekroden@...>
 

Good day, I would like to know if you have the list of Romanian-Jew send to
labor camp in Transnistria >from Bucharest, Romania bet.1941-1944. Your
answer will be grateful appreciated.
Thank you in advance
Jeana Roden

MODERATOR NOTE: Please check the resources offered by the ROM-SIG:
JewishGen's Romanian Jewish Genealogy - Special Interest Group, covering
the countries known today as Romania and Moldova, as well as the southwestern
portion of Ukraine and Southern Hungary.
Included in these countries are the areas formerly known as Bukovina,
Moldavia, Bessarabia, Transylvania, Wallachia and The Banat

Unlinked relatives - what to do? #general

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear all,

If a genealogical researcher has identified a relative but can't establish the
link to his/her family tree, what should s/he do with that information?

Should this "unlinkable" person be added to the family tree without a link or
not? (here I mean the software which stores the family tree).

If not, how to store it in order to be able to use that information in the
future when an eventual link is uncovered?

Best regards
Tom

PS: Just so that this question becomes clearer in its context:
Along the 12 years I have been researching the VENETIANER family, and as far
as I was able to determine, all Venetianers descend >from a family which
originates >from a certain region in Europe. That means that with a *very
high level of certainty* any person whose family name was/is Venetianer is
potentially my relative. Thus, each time I discover a *new* Venetianer and
can't establish his/her link to my tree, I'm stuck with the problem above.
--
Tom Venetianer < mailto:tom.vene@... >
Sao Paulo - Brazil

MODERATOR NOTE: Please do not mention names of genealogical programs.

Rubinstein of Osterlenka #general

Eva J. Ruben
 

I received a Declaration of Intention that enabled me to find the
arrival date of my husband's great grandmother on the Ellis Island site.
The manifest gave me the following information:
The mother, Scheine RUBINSTEIN, age 45, came >from Ostrulenka, Russia
(Poland) with two daughters, Sprinze (11) and Feige (5) to the father,
Jacob Rubinstein who lived at 336 5th Street, New York City. They
arrived on Sep 17, 1907 aboard the SS Finland which departed from
Antwerp, Belgium. The relative in Europe is shown as Abraham SHAPIRO.
Sprinze was known as Sophie and Feige as Dora or Dorothy here in the US.
On the Declaration, Rubinstein is spelled both ways - Rubinstein and
Rubenstein. Later this family lived at 1659 Washington Ave, Bronx.
Any information someone can add to this would be most appreciated.
Eva Joy Lamm-Ruben, Nevada City, CA. USA

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen trasnistria #general

Jeana Roden <jekroden@...>
 

Good day, I would like to know if you have the list of Romanian-Jew send to
labor camp in Transnistria >from Bucharest, Romania bet.1941-1944. Your
answer will be grateful appreciated.
Thank you in advance
Jeana Roden

MODERATOR NOTE: Please check the resources offered by the ROM-SIG:
JewishGen's Romanian Jewish Genealogy - Special Interest Group, covering
the countries known today as Romania and Moldova, as well as the southwestern
portion of Ukraine and Southern Hungary.
Included in these countries are the areas formerly known as Bukovina,
Moldavia, Bessarabia, Transylvania, Wallachia and The Banat

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Unlinked relatives - what to do? #general

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear all,

If a genealogical researcher has identified a relative but can't establish the
link to his/her family tree, what should s/he do with that information?

Should this "unlinkable" person be added to the family tree without a link or
not? (here I mean the software which stores the family tree).

If not, how to store it in order to be able to use that information in the
future when an eventual link is uncovered?

Best regards
Tom

PS: Just so that this question becomes clearer in its context:
Along the 12 years I have been researching the VENETIANER family, and as far
as I was able to determine, all Venetianers descend >from a family which
originates >from a certain region in Europe. That means that with a *very
high level of certainty* any person whose family name was/is Venetianer is
potentially my relative. Thus, each time I discover a *new* Venetianer and
can't establish his/her link to my tree, I'm stuck with the problem above.
--
Tom Venetianer < mailto:tom.vene@... >
Sao Paulo - Brazil

MODERATOR NOTE: Please do not mention names of genealogical programs.

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rubinstein of Osterlenka #general

Eva J. Ruben
 

I received a Declaration of Intention that enabled me to find the
arrival date of my husband's great grandmother on the Ellis Island site.
The manifest gave me the following information:
The mother, Scheine RUBINSTEIN, age 45, came >from Ostrulenka, Russia
(Poland) with two daughters, Sprinze (11) and Feige (5) to the father,
Jacob Rubinstein who lived at 336 5th Street, New York City. They
arrived on Sep 17, 1907 aboard the SS Finland which departed from
Antwerp, Belgium. The relative in Europe is shown as Abraham SHAPIRO.
Sprinze was known as Sophie and Feige as Dora or Dorothy here in the US.
On the Declaration, Rubinstein is spelled both ways - Rubinstein and
Rubenstein. Later this family lived at 1659 Washington Ave, Bronx.
Any information someone can add to this would be most appreciated.
Eva Joy Lamm-Ruben, Nevada City, CA. USA

Re: Name Yevno (Evno) -- could it be Yonah? #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

One should note however that the entry indicates that Evno is a
Yiddish name. I was told then that the name was a variant of Jonah.
This latest discussion has raised some questions regarding the
origin of the name. Among these is - is Evno Hebrew, Yiddish or
Russian?

I also point to an entry in the Wikipedia, for a Yevno Azef
(1869-1918). The entry indicates that Yevno is also transliterated
as Evno. He was born in Lykovo.
*Evno* is definitely not Hebrew. Nor is it strictly speaking
Yiddish. It is Russian The big clue that indicates this is the fact
that the name is found transliterated both as Evno and as Yevno.
That's because when a Russian name begins with E it is preceded by a
"Y" sound which is not actually written as a letter.
So *Evno* is automatically pronounced *Yevno*, just as *Evgeny* is
pronounced *Yeveny*. And this characteristic is so far as I know
unique to Russian (or perhaps to slavic languages in general? I
don't know those languages at all, maybe someone could tell us if it
is a feature in all of them).

In any case it seems to be basically a Russian name -- or perhaps a
Russianization of the Hebrew name Yonah (which in some Yiddish
dialects is pronounced Yeh-na -- which would give you the necessary
"E" sound). But I don't see how the "V" sound would have crept in --
one would have had to read the letter vav in Yonah not as a vowel but
as a consonant -- which strikes me as highly unlikely!

Judith Romney Wegner

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Name Yevno (Evno) -- could it be Yonah? #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

One should note however that the entry indicates that Evno is a
Yiddish name. I was told then that the name was a variant of Jonah.
This latest discussion has raised some questions regarding the
origin of the name. Among these is - is Evno Hebrew, Yiddish or
Russian?

I also point to an entry in the Wikipedia, for a Yevno Azef
(1869-1918). The entry indicates that Yevno is also transliterated
as Evno. He was born in Lykovo.
*Evno* is definitely not Hebrew. Nor is it strictly speaking
Yiddish. It is Russian The big clue that indicates this is the fact
that the name is found transliterated both as Evno and as Yevno.
That's because when a Russian name begins with E it is preceded by a
"Y" sound which is not actually written as a letter.
So *Evno* is automatically pronounced *Yevno*, just as *Evgeny* is
pronounced *Yeveny*. And this characteristic is so far as I know
unique to Russian (or perhaps to slavic languages in general? I
don't know those languages at all, maybe someone could tell us if it
is a feature in all of them).

In any case it seems to be basically a Russian name -- or perhaps a
Russianization of the Hebrew name Yonah (which in some Yiddish
dialects is pronounced Yeh-na -- which would give you the necessary
"E" sound). But I don't see how the "V" sound would have crept in --
one would have had to read the letter vav in Yonah not as a vowel but
as a consonant -- which strikes me as highly unlikely!

Judith Romney Wegner

Lost e-mail addresses #general

Joseph Fibel <jfibel@...>
 

Dear Genners,

As soon as reasonable when you received no reply >from a posted e-mail
address, I suggest that you send a snail mail letter to the person at the
known address. Frequently, if you know the town of your search you can find
an address via Switchboard or some other search engine and send a letter.

Many people change their url's without notifying their correspondents, Also
if someone is sick someone else in the family may be able to answer

Sometimes we don't think of the easiest answers.

Joe Fibel
New Rochelle, NY

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Lost e-mail addresses #general

Joseph Fibel <jfibel@...>
 

Dear Genners,

As soon as reasonable when you received no reply >from a posted e-mail
address, I suggest that you send a snail mail letter to the person at the
known address. Frequently, if you know the town of your search you can find
an address via Switchboard or some other search engine and send a letter.

Many people change their url's without notifying their correspondents, Also
if someone is sick someone else in the family may be able to answer

Sometimes we don't think of the easiest answers.

Joe Fibel
New Rochelle, NY

Continuing Abeles Saga #austria-czech

HOLIJOLI@...
 

On Jan 24th, in response to my query, Celia Male wrote about Abraham, the
oldest son of Jehuda Abeles: "I investigated Chiesch in the ***Elbogen Kreis***
just now - and lo and behold: we find the right Abraham ABERLES [sic] . . .
Abraham is married to Judith and has a son Samuel. . ."

On Ancestry.com there is a listing for a Theresa ABELES, b. 1893 in Chiesch.
I tracked down her family and found that there was a Samuel ABELES who
married Michelle UTITZ of Prague and they had 3 children in the 1820's. Their
only son was Israel, b. 182? and d. Nov 30, 1894. He had a son Max, b. Nov 21,
1865 in Chiesch who married Dorothea ASCHENBRENNER and they had 7 children.
The oldest was Theresa, who had 7 younger brothers, some of them born in
Munich.

I expect to learn more; perhaps this is a connection and not just wishful
thinking. Thanks to Celia for the Chiesch clue.

Susan L. Lubow
Morristown, NJ

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Continuing Abeles Saga #austria-czech

HOLIJOLI@...
 

On Jan 24th, in response to my query, Celia Male wrote about Abraham, the
oldest son of Jehuda Abeles: "I investigated Chiesch in the ***Elbogen Kreis***
just now - and lo and behold: we find the right Abraham ABERLES [sic] . . .
Abraham is married to Judith and has a son Samuel. . ."

On Ancestry.com there is a listing for a Theresa ABELES, b. 1893 in Chiesch.
I tracked down her family and found that there was a Samuel ABELES who
married Michelle UTITZ of Prague and they had 3 children in the 1820's. Their
only son was Israel, b. 182? and d. Nov 30, 1894. He had a son Max, b. Nov 21,
1865 in Chiesch who married Dorothea ASCHENBRENNER and they had 7 children.
The oldest was Theresa, who had 7 younger brothers, some of them born in
Munich.

I expect to learn more; perhaps this is a connection and not just wishful
thinking. Thanks to Celia for the Chiesch clue.

Susan L. Lubow
Morristown, NJ