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queries on names and nonsense, etc #general

haim harutz <yairharu@...>
 

Finally someone has written a letter more clearly and succintly than I
myself could have done and has, for the most part, raised a problem which I
have raised in the past but much lesss clearly. Mr David Snyder, I thank
you very much for your posting on Jewish names and their "origins". I can
only hope that this has some beneficial effect on people who post queries
(sometimes previously frequently answered) on the "meanings" of names in
other languages. I must admit that I myself, unfortunately, on occasion,
fall into Mr Snyder's second category, (i.e., those who wish to prove their
own erudition, justified or not, rather than give direct answers to too
frequently asked questions). I gladly take note of your comments, and hope
that others of my ilk (of whom there are many, unfortunately) will also
take note.

If all these people take note of your comments and make use of the tools
existing within Jewishgen and in other places, it would save a lot of time,
space and effort within the Jewisshgen Digest for most readers, as well as
cut out a lot of wasted effort on the part of the overworked moderators
(may God bless them for their patience!).

In short, Mr Snyder, God bless you too!

All the best,
Chaim Charutz.

MODERATOR NOTE: And while He is bestowing blessings,
may many fall on your head.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen queries on names and nonsense, etc #general

haim harutz <yairharu@...>
 

Finally someone has written a letter more clearly and succintly than I
myself could have done and has, for the most part, raised a problem which I
have raised in the past but much lesss clearly. Mr David Snyder, I thank
you very much for your posting on Jewish names and their "origins". I can
only hope that this has some beneficial effect on people who post queries
(sometimes previously frequently answered) on the "meanings" of names in
other languages. I must admit that I myself, unfortunately, on occasion,
fall into Mr Snyder's second category, (i.e., those who wish to prove their
own erudition, justified or not, rather than give direct answers to too
frequently asked questions). I gladly take note of your comments, and hope
that others of my ilk (of whom there are many, unfortunately) will also
take note.

If all these people take note of your comments and make use of the tools
existing within Jewishgen and in other places, it would save a lot of time,
space and effort within the Jewisshgen Digest for most readers, as well as
cut out a lot of wasted effort on the part of the overworked moderators
(may God bless them for their patience!).

In short, Mr Snyder, God bless you too!

All the best,
Chaim Charutz.

MODERATOR NOTE: And while He is bestowing blessings,
may many fall on your head.
Re: German Birth Certificate footnote #general

David Lewin <davidlewin@...>
 

At 03:02 09/09/98, you wrote:
We received the German birth certificates of a few children of one family
which all have added information at the bottom about their deaths. The
details include exact date, the suburb in Sydney, and the Australian death
certificate reference number. It looks like there could be some sort of
agreement between Australia Germany to advise the their registry on the
death of any of its previous citizens.

One example -
born in Zulpich in 1901,
migrated to Australia in 1937,
naturalized in 1944,
died in 1979 - shows suburb, country, date, and ref no.

Has anyone else come across this? It could be related to a pension
agreement between Australia and Germany. And what paper trail did they
follow to match one reference against another, 80 years later and countries
apart.

Gary Luke
at a guess this is informatoin >from the German Reperations authorities
who are notified of the death to stop monies flowing

David Lewin
London
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: German Birth Certificate footnote #general

David Lewin <davidlewin@...>
 

At 03:02 09/09/98, you wrote:
We received the German birth certificates of a few children of one family
which all have added information at the bottom about their deaths. The
details include exact date, the suburb in Sydney, and the Australian death
certificate reference number. It looks like there could be some sort of
agreement between Australia Germany to advise the their registry on the
death of any of its previous citizens.

One example -
born in Zulpich in 1901,
migrated to Australia in 1937,
naturalized in 1944,
died in 1979 - shows suburb, country, date, and ref no.

Has anyone else come across this? It could be related to a pension
agreement between Australia and Germany. And what paper trail did they
follow to match one reference against another, 80 years later and countries
apart.

Gary Luke
at a guess this is informatoin >from the German Reperations authorities
who are notified of the death to stop monies flowing

David Lewin
London
Any interest in forming a Twin Cities JGS? #general

Steven Chall <steven.chall@...>
 

I'm just curious to know if there is enough interest in
forming a local Jewish Genealogical Society around the
twin cities Minneapolis-St Paul area. If so, please drop
me a line and we'll see where we can take it. I will let
anyone responding know what the count is at the end of October.

Steven Chall in Minneapolis, MN

Researching:
ALEXANDER-&-CHALL (Dvinsk,Russia (now Latvia); before 1900)
ZELMANOV-&-HALKIN (Bobruisk, Russia; before 1907) (France; abt 1930)
BECKER-&-CHASKELEVITZ-(became_CHASWORTH) (Kishenev, Bessarabia; before 1920) (Oreyev, abt 1940)
Someday BRODSKY, COHEN, KAPLAN (Poland / Russia)
* All ended up in various parts of New York City *
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Any interest in forming a Twin Cities JGS? #general

Steven Chall <steven.chall@...>
 

I'm just curious to know if there is enough interest in
forming a local Jewish Genealogical Society around the
twin cities Minneapolis-St Paul area. If so, please drop
me a line and we'll see where we can take it. I will let
anyone responding know what the count is at the end of October.

Steven Chall in Minneapolis, MN

Researching:
ALEXANDER-&-CHALL (Dvinsk,Russia (now Latvia); before 1900)
ZELMANOV-&-HALKIN (Bobruisk, Russia; before 1907) (France; abt 1930)
BECKER-&-CHASKELEVITZ-(became_CHASWORTH) (Kishenev, Bessarabia; before 1920) (Oreyev, abt 1940)
Someday BRODSKY, COHEN, KAPLAN (Poland / Russia)
* All ended up in various parts of New York City *
San Francisco Bay Area JGS meeting #general

Dana L. Kurtz <dlkurtz@...>
 

The San Francisco Bay Area Jewish Genealogical Society
announces its next meeting:

SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 13, 1998
Building C, Room 205
Fort Mason Center
San Francisco

Doors open 12:30, Program begins 1:00

Topic: Preserving the Stories of Old Photographs

Philip Adam of Restored Photographics will speak about the various types of
old photographs and how to care for them. Philip will also preview his
upcoming book of photographs and oral histories.

Join us!

Visit our website at: www.jewishgen.org/sfbajgs

For more information, contact:
Rodger Rosenberg, President, eandr@ix.netcom.com
Dana Kurtz, Vice President, dlkurtz@ix.netcom.com
Sita Likuski, Membership, sital@aol.com
Judy Baston, Librarian, JRBaston@aol.com
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen San Francisco Bay Area JGS meeting #general

Dana L. Kurtz <dlkurtz@...>
 

The San Francisco Bay Area Jewish Genealogical Society
announces its next meeting:

SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 13, 1998
Building C, Room 205
Fort Mason Center
San Francisco

Doors open 12:30, Program begins 1:00

Topic: Preserving the Stories of Old Photographs

Philip Adam of Restored Photographics will speak about the various types of
old photographs and how to care for them. Philip will also preview his
upcoming book of photographs and oral histories.

Join us!

Visit our website at: www.jewishgen.org/sfbajgs

For more information, contact:
Rodger Rosenberg, President, eandr@ix.netcom.com
Dana Kurtz, Vice President, dlkurtz@ix.netcom.com
Sita Likuski, Membership, sital@aol.com
Judy Baston, Librarian, JRBaston@aol.com
Searching: YEZARSKY/DROBNUS #general

Alice Faye Yezarski <ayezarski@...>
 

YEZARSKY>Vilnius, Lithuania>West Hazelton, PA, USA 1890
DROBNUS>Vilnius, Lithuania>West Hazelton, PA, USA 1890

I am trying to find out if my husband's paternal grandparents listed above
have Jewish related names. In reading articles posted at this web site,
"Ha Magid- 1871-1872," and "Ha Melitz 1893-1903" donors >from Lithuania
I found the name YEZERSKI listed as a donor in both articles.

I have had difficulty in finding the surname YEZARSKY posted in any data
bases in the past. I am confident the spelling changed when my husband's
grandparents came to America, and have been unable to find out the
origin of the name or the original spelling.

Any assistance will be greatly appreciated!

Alice Yezarski
Morehead City, NC
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: YEZARSKY/DROBNUS #general

Alice Faye Yezarski <ayezarski@...>
 

YEZARSKY>Vilnius, Lithuania>West Hazelton, PA, USA 1890
DROBNUS>Vilnius, Lithuania>West Hazelton, PA, USA 1890

I am trying to find out if my husband's paternal grandparents listed above
have Jewish related names. In reading articles posted at this web site,
"Ha Magid- 1871-1872," and "Ha Melitz 1893-1903" donors >from Lithuania
I found the name YEZERSKI listed as a donor in both articles.

I have had difficulty in finding the surname YEZARSKY posted in any data
bases in the past. I am confident the spelling changed when my husband's
grandparents came to America, and have been unable to find out the
origin of the name or the original spelling.

Any assistance will be greatly appreciated!

Alice Yezarski
Morehead City, NC
Shanghai - Othel Rachel Synagogue #general

Debbie Raff <seraff@...>
 

I just read an article in our Jewish Community News about the restoration
of the Othel Rachel Synagogue in Shanghai. According to the article,
interior can never be completely restored until those in charge of
the
work know exactly what it looked like.
There are no official interior photographs. It is hoped that
for the
few years between the end of WWII and 1949, when all the members of the
synagogue were forced to leave Shanghai, some services were held during
which the no photos rule MAY not have been enforced
The article gives the name, address, and phone number of someone >from the
Pasadena Jewish Temple in CA. I have no other knowledge of this, other than
what I read in the article. If, perchance, you have or know someone who has
interior photos of this synagogue, e-mail me privately and I'll send you
the information on the contact person.

Debbie Raff
Indio, CA
HERBACH / BIRNBAUM / BIRENBAUM (Nowy Sacz, Pol and Lipany,Slovakia)
KORNFELD / LAWNER / GERMAN/ WEITMAN (Husiatyn, Usjad, Woloczysk, Ukr)
RAFF / SICHERMAN / MEISNER/ KATZ / GRUNSPANN / GREENSPAN / EICHNER(Zmigro=
d
Nowy / Bukowsko / Dukla / Korczyna, Pol)
Polish Online Talking Dictionary #general

Debbie Raff <seraff@...>
 

http://www.ae.poznan.pl/~pjk/tree/potd.htm
"Polish Online Talking Dictionary"

I haven't tried to use this site, but it appears to be an interesting
concept. According to the directions, it may take a week or two, but you
can hear how the Polish phrase, town, etc. is actually pronounced. You can
even decide whether you want the voice to be male or female.

Debbie Raff
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Shanghai - Othel Rachel Synagogue #general

Debbie Raff <seraff@...>
 

I just read an article in our Jewish Community News about the restoration
of the Othel Rachel Synagogue in Shanghai. According to the article,
interior can never be completely restored until those in charge of
the
work know exactly what it looked like.
There are no official interior photographs. It is hoped that
for the
few years between the end of WWII and 1949, when all the members of the
synagogue were forced to leave Shanghai, some services were held during
which the no photos rule MAY not have been enforced
The article gives the name, address, and phone number of someone >from the
Pasadena Jewish Temple in CA. I have no other knowledge of this, other than
what I read in the article. If, perchance, you have or know someone who has
interior photos of this synagogue, e-mail me privately and I'll send you
the information on the contact person.

Debbie Raff
Indio, CA
HERBACH / BIRNBAUM / BIRENBAUM (Nowy Sacz, Pol and Lipany,Slovakia)
KORNFELD / LAWNER / GERMAN/ WEITMAN (Husiatyn, Usjad, Woloczysk, Ukr)
RAFF / SICHERMAN / MEISNER/ KATZ / GRUNSPANN / GREENSPAN / EICHNER(Zmigro=
d
Nowy / Bukowsko / Dukla / Korczyna, Pol)
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Polish Online Talking Dictionary #general

Debbie Raff <seraff@...>
 

http://www.ae.poznan.pl/~pjk/tree/potd.htm
"Polish Online Talking Dictionary"

I haven't tried to use this site, but it appears to be an interesting
concept. According to the directions, it may take a week or two, but you
can hear how the Polish phrase, town, etc. is actually pronounced. You can
even decide whether you want the voice to be male or female.

Debbie Raff
Searching BESENDORF (Poland, Argentina) #general

David Price <David_Price@...>
 

I am trying to find out what happened to the family >from Chmielnik, Poland
with the surname BESENDORF who came to Argentina I believe before the war.
They were good friend of the Price's of Toronto.
The following are vital statistics for this surname >from the LDS
microfilm #1808865:
1881, marriage, Nuchem B
1882 births, Pearl Bas B.
1883 birth, Chena B.

Thank you, David Price
Researching BESENDORF, PRICE
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching BESENDORF (Poland, Argentina) #general

David Price <David_Price@...>
 

I am trying to find out what happened to the family >from Chmielnik, Poland
with the surname BESENDORF who came to Argentina I believe before the war.
They were good friend of the Price's of Toronto.
The following are vital statistics for this surname >from the LDS
microfilm #1808865:
1881, marriage, Nuchem B
1882 births, Pearl Bas B.
1883 birth, Chena B.

Thank you, David Price
Researching BESENDORF, PRICE
Czenstochov #poland

Hal Maggied PhD <drmaggoo@...>
 

Poland members



Shalom Khaverim: <italic>CZENSTOCHOV: Our Legacy </italic>is available
from the Judaica Collections at the Florida Atlantic University
Library. We have numerous brand new copies of this Yizkor Bukh which
was edited, translated to English, and published in 1993, by Harry
Klein. This Yizkor Bukh contains a 360 page English section and a 117
page Yiddush section. Co-Editor was Ruth Klein Tatner and Consulting
Editor was Prof.: Menachem Rotstein.


"Czenstochova is located approximately 125 miles southwest of Warsaw;
the shrine of Jasna Gora Madonna in Czenstochova was celebrated as a
center of Catholic pilgrimage. Seventy-five Jewish residents were
recorded in Czenstochova in 1765 and 495 in 1808, when an organized
community was established. Although Jewish residence was prohibited in
certain districts, the Jewish population grew.... and in 1863, with the
abolition of the Jewish quarter, to 3,360 [37.3%]. By 1900, it numbered
11, 764....and in 1939,

28,486."


" The German Army entered the city on 3 September 1939. The next day,
later called 'Bloody Monday", a pogrom was organized in which a few
hundred Jews were murdered." ".... When a greater number of Jews from
other parts of western Poland came in 1940-41, the city's population
grew by several thousands. On 9 April 1941, a ghetto was
established.... On 23 September a large-scale 'aktion' began. By 5
October, about 39,000 people had been deported to Treblinka and
exterminated [sic], while 2,000 were executed on the spot."


This Yizkor Bukh is bound in hard-cover and printed in 12-point type.
It contains several photos and maps. If you are interested in barter,
exchange, or trade, please contact:


Judaica Librarian Elliot Gertel <<egertel@fau.edu> or 561/297-3990.



<bigger>

VITEBSK Guberniya: Usvyaty=Uzhvit, Velizh=Veliz, Surazh=Suraz, Borisov,
Velikiye-Luki, Nevel, Kopreva, Vitebsk shtodt, Berezhukha;

VOLHYN Guberniya: Portisk=Poryck=Pavlovka, Lutzk=Luck,
Gorokhov=Horochow=Horchiv, Lokatchi=Lokache, Ludmir=Vladimir,
Swiniuchii=Sviynokh, Shklin, Brody, Torchin, Tur'ysk=Trisk,
Rovno=Riwni, Kovel=Kovla, Kupichov, Ozeriany;

Hal MAGGIED, PhD AICP Ohio State Alumnus <<drmaggoo@ix.netcom.com>


</bigger>
JRI Poland #Poland Czenstochov #poland

Hal Maggied PhD <drmaggoo@...>
 

Poland members



Shalom Khaverim: <italic>CZENSTOCHOV: Our Legacy </italic>is available
from the Judaica Collections at the Florida Atlantic University
Library. We have numerous brand new copies of this Yizkor Bukh which
was edited, translated to English, and published in 1993, by Harry
Klein. This Yizkor Bukh contains a 360 page English section and a 117
page Yiddush section. Co-Editor was Ruth Klein Tatner and Consulting
Editor was Prof.: Menachem Rotstein.


"Czenstochova is located approximately 125 miles southwest of Warsaw;
the shrine of Jasna Gora Madonna in Czenstochova was celebrated as a
center of Catholic pilgrimage. Seventy-five Jewish residents were
recorded in Czenstochova in 1765 and 495 in 1808, when an organized
community was established. Although Jewish residence was prohibited in
certain districts, the Jewish population grew.... and in 1863, with the
abolition of the Jewish quarter, to 3,360 [37.3%]. By 1900, it numbered
11, 764....and in 1939,

28,486."


" The German Army entered the city on 3 September 1939. The next day,
later called 'Bloody Monday", a pogrom was organized in which a few
hundred Jews were murdered." ".... When a greater number of Jews from
other parts of western Poland came in 1940-41, the city's population
grew by several thousands. On 9 April 1941, a ghetto was
established.... On 23 September a large-scale 'aktion' began. By 5
October, about 39,000 people had been deported to Treblinka and
exterminated [sic], while 2,000 were executed on the spot."


This Yizkor Bukh is bound in hard-cover and printed in 12-point type.
It contains several photos and maps. If you are interested in barter,
exchange, or trade, please contact:


Judaica Librarian Elliot Gertel <<egertel@fau.edu> or 561/297-3990.



<bigger>

VITEBSK Guberniya: Usvyaty=Uzhvit, Velizh=Veliz, Surazh=Suraz, Borisov,
Velikiye-Luki, Nevel, Kopreva, Vitebsk shtodt, Berezhukha;

VOLHYN Guberniya: Portisk=Poryck=Pavlovka, Lutzk=Luck,
Gorokhov=Horochow=Horchiv, Lokatchi=Lokache, Ludmir=Vladimir,
Swiniuchii=Sviynokh, Shklin, Brody, Torchin, Tur'ysk=Trisk,
Rovno=Riwni, Kovel=Kovla, Kupichov, Ozeriany;

Hal MAGGIED, PhD AICP Ohio State Alumnus <<drmaggoo@ix.netcom.com>


</bigger>
Cause of death - old style #general

Alan Perry <perry2@...>
 

I remember once seeing a website that "translated" the name of an
illness or cause of death as used today to what it was called in the
earlier part of the century. Does anybody know the address of this web
site?
Thanks,
Alan Perry
Re: Treblinka #general

Carol Skydell <skydell@...>
 

Nancy Greenberg writes that she is at a loss to understand why there are no
records for Treblinka since there are records for other death camps. Gary
Mokotoff explains it quite succinctly in his book "How to Document Victims
and Locate Survivors of the Holocaust"

Gary explains that there were 2 kinds of camps ...extermination camps and
concentration or labor camps. People sent to the first type, with rare
exceptions were killed immediately and there was no effort made on the part
of the murderers to document the names of their victims. Belzec and
Treblinka were extermination camps.
Even when sent to the concentration camps, according to Gary, people who
were killed immediately upon arrival were not documented either.

Recording their names at Yad Vashem is about as good as it's going to
get...horribly sad, but true.

Carol Skydell
Chilmark MA
651481 - 651500 of 656515