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NYC Death Certs., report on #general

Ron Goldman <preshtek@...>
 

I recently obtained copies of 13 NYC death certs for the usual purpose
of extracting some vital stats on my family. To say that "it's enough to
drive one crazy" would be putting it mildly. Inconsistencies abound, and
the information obtained, while to some small degree usefull, all requires
taking "with a grain of salt".
Of the 13 certs, 1 was for a non-member of my family. OK, I can buy that.
Of the remaining 12: only 3 had a DOB; 5 had (approx.) ages listed that
varied >from the ages on these people's tombstones by 1, 3, and (in one case)
10 years; 2 had DODs that were different >from the tombstone date; 5 had
only an Anglicized given name in place of 'mother's maiden name'; 2 brothers
had different mothers' names; 1 had his brother's name as his own father;
all had addresses, 1 even had the deceased living at 2 different addresses;
all but 1 had Anglicized fathers' names; and of the 10 foreign born, only 1
had a Town name while all the rest had only the Country name. The 1
very interesting fact that I gleaned is that it seems my granduncle divorced
his wife, remarried, and his ex-wife then married his younger brother. This
close-knit relationship seems to have continued on into the next world
since all 4 of them are buried side-by side. ROTFLMAO.
The upshot of it all is, I'm wondering if obtaining all these
docs serves any purpose other than cross-checking other similarly
questionable sources of info and whether the expense (which could mount
up considerably) is justified. Guess each of us has to make that decision
for ourselves based on our budget constraints.
Ron GOLDMAN, FL.
emailto: preshtek@icanect.net
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen NYC Death Certs., report on #general

Ron Goldman <preshtek@...>
 

I recently obtained copies of 13 NYC death certs for the usual purpose
of extracting some vital stats on my family. To say that "it's enough to
drive one crazy" would be putting it mildly. Inconsistencies abound, and
the information obtained, while to some small degree usefull, all requires
taking "with a grain of salt".
Of the 13 certs, 1 was for a non-member of my family. OK, I can buy that.
Of the remaining 12: only 3 had a DOB; 5 had (approx.) ages listed that
varied >from the ages on these people's tombstones by 1, 3, and (in one case)
10 years; 2 had DODs that were different >from the tombstone date; 5 had
only an Anglicized given name in place of 'mother's maiden name'; 2 brothers
had different mothers' names; 1 had his brother's name as his own father;
all had addresses, 1 even had the deceased living at 2 different addresses;
all but 1 had Anglicized fathers' names; and of the 10 foreign born, only 1
had a Town name while all the rest had only the Country name. The 1
very interesting fact that I gleaned is that it seems my granduncle divorced
his wife, remarried, and his ex-wife then married his younger brother. This
close-knit relationship seems to have continued on into the next world
since all 4 of them are buried side-by side. ROTFLMAO.
The upshot of it all is, I'm wondering if obtaining all these
docs serves any purpose other than cross-checking other similarly
questionable sources of info and whether the expense (which could mount
up considerably) is justified. Guess each of us has to make that decision
for ourselves based on our budget constraints.
Ron GOLDMAN, FL.
emailto: preshtek@icanect.net
Records for Vitebsk & Vicinity #belarus

Nancy Grossman <msgnan@...>
 

This may be heartening news for some of the Vitebsk (& vicinity)
researchers. In 1995 a cousin of mine received a research report >from RAGAS
on family in Vitebsk conducted at the National Archives in Minsk. The
information on sources used seems to co-incide with the information given by
Howard Rensin; however, I received 4 pages of information on my family and
now know the first name of my great-great-great-great grandfather Kopel, who
would have been born in the mid to late 18th century. The information
appears identical or very similar to information found on revision lists.
It includes the head of household, his age, other members of the household
(sons, daughters, mothers, etc...) and their ages, patronymics, the street
they lived on and the name of their landlord, notes on draftees and
induction dates, notes on those assigned to the town community, extracts
from metrical records with the record number (which may or may not still
exist), references to previous revision lists and the names of the head of
household's brothers along with the towns they lived or traded in; in this
case Kursk, Belyi, Smolensk, and Karachev.

The record groups are as follows:

Quote >from RAGAS:

In the record groups the "Vitebsk Town Government", the "Vitebsk Province
Government" the "Vitebsk Province Statistic Committee" there are the
following documents concerning to genealogy of persons of the surname
BLINIK, who resided in the town of Vitebsk, 1874-1915.

Unquote

RAGAS lists the record groups as follows:

Family List of Jews of the Town of Vitebsk for the Year 1874
Archival source: Record Group 2496, Inventory 1, Item 2520 (page & entry
no.)

General List of Male Jews of the Town of Vitebsk for the Year 1874
Archival Source: Record Group 1416, Inventory 1, Item 2680 (page & entry
no.)

Case about Conducting a Census for Jewish Population of Vitebsk Province for
the year 1874
Archival Source: Record Group 2502, Inventory 1, Item 239 (page & entry no.)

An Extract >from Metrical Record of Jews Being Born for the Year 1894 in the
Town of Lutzin and the Lutzin District (copy of 27 July 1913)
Archival Source: this line is cut off my copy but appears to read:
Record Group 2496, Inventory 1, Item 2164 (page & entry no.)

Alphabet (sic) to Family Lists of Traders and Jews-Commoners of the Town of
Vitebsk for the Year 1915
Archival source: Record Group 2496, Inventory 1, Item 3236 (page & entry
no.)

Further Quote >from RAGAS:

...I obtained a reference compiled on basis of family lists of Jewish
Community of Vitebsk, 1874-1915. These records show Shimon Levi BLINIK and
his sons, as well as his siblings and nephews (see enclosed reference and
genealogical table). There is genealogical information for 3 generations of
the BLINIK family >from mid-1800 to 1915.

Unquote

Although it would be nice to have access to the earlier revision lists &
metrical records as well as learn the maiden names of wives; the situation
is not all that dismal.

A printout on Vitebsk >from the Museum of the Diaspora obtained in 1983
mentions that the Jewish community kept a Pinkas book >from 1706 onwards. I
contacted the Central Archives for the History of the Jewish People in
Jerusalem but the person I spoke with told me they did not have a Pinkas
book for Vitebsk. The fact it was mentioned in the printout led me to
believe it still exists. How can we find out what happened to it? Was it
destroyed during the war? Is it mentioned in the Yizkor book?

Nancy Grossman
Frankfurt, Germany
msgnan@frankfurt.netsurf.de
Belarus SIG #Belarus Records for Vitebsk & Vicinity #belarus

Nancy Grossman <msgnan@...>
 

This may be heartening news for some of the Vitebsk (& vicinity)
researchers. In 1995 a cousin of mine received a research report >from RAGAS
on family in Vitebsk conducted at the National Archives in Minsk. The
information on sources used seems to co-incide with the information given by
Howard Rensin; however, I received 4 pages of information on my family and
now know the first name of my great-great-great-great grandfather Kopel, who
would have been born in the mid to late 18th century. The information
appears identical or very similar to information found on revision lists.
It includes the head of household, his age, other members of the household
(sons, daughters, mothers, etc...) and their ages, patronymics, the street
they lived on and the name of their landlord, notes on draftees and
induction dates, notes on those assigned to the town community, extracts
from metrical records with the record number (which may or may not still
exist), references to previous revision lists and the names of the head of
household's brothers along with the towns they lived or traded in; in this
case Kursk, Belyi, Smolensk, and Karachev.

The record groups are as follows:

Quote >from RAGAS:

In the record groups the "Vitebsk Town Government", the "Vitebsk Province
Government" the "Vitebsk Province Statistic Committee" there are the
following documents concerning to genealogy of persons of the surname
BLINIK, who resided in the town of Vitebsk, 1874-1915.

Unquote

RAGAS lists the record groups as follows:

Family List of Jews of the Town of Vitebsk for the Year 1874
Archival source: Record Group 2496, Inventory 1, Item 2520 (page & entry
no.)

General List of Male Jews of the Town of Vitebsk for the Year 1874
Archival Source: Record Group 1416, Inventory 1, Item 2680 (page & entry
no.)

Case about Conducting a Census for Jewish Population of Vitebsk Province for
the year 1874
Archival Source: Record Group 2502, Inventory 1, Item 239 (page & entry no.)

An Extract >from Metrical Record of Jews Being Born for the Year 1894 in the
Town of Lutzin and the Lutzin District (copy of 27 July 1913)
Archival Source: this line is cut off my copy but appears to read:
Record Group 2496, Inventory 1, Item 2164 (page & entry no.)

Alphabet (sic) to Family Lists of Traders and Jews-Commoners of the Town of
Vitebsk for the Year 1915
Archival source: Record Group 2496, Inventory 1, Item 3236 (page & entry
no.)

Further Quote >from RAGAS:

...I obtained a reference compiled on basis of family lists of Jewish
Community of Vitebsk, 1874-1915. These records show Shimon Levi BLINIK and
his sons, as well as his siblings and nephews (see enclosed reference and
genealogical table). There is genealogical information for 3 generations of
the BLINIK family >from mid-1800 to 1915.

Unquote

Although it would be nice to have access to the earlier revision lists &
metrical records as well as learn the maiden names of wives; the situation
is not all that dismal.

A printout on Vitebsk >from the Museum of the Diaspora obtained in 1983
mentions that the Jewish community kept a Pinkas book >from 1706 onwards. I
contacted the Central Archives for the History of the Jewish People in
Jerusalem but the person I spoke with told me they did not have a Pinkas
book for Vitebsk. The fact it was mentioned in the printout led me to
believe it still exists. How can we find out what happened to it? Was it
destroyed during the war? Is it mentioned in the Yizkor book?

Nancy Grossman
Frankfurt, Germany
msgnan@frankfurt.netsurf.de
Re: Ostropole #general

A.Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

David Gordon wrote:

Meryl Persky asked about her grandfather's place of birth,
"Oustra-Polia." My uneducated guess is that this could be Ostropole, in
northwestern Poland. It is a small town located about 15 km west of
(and on the main road leading west from) Szczecinek.
Village Ostropole near szczecinek in NW Poland was known before the end
of W.W.II as Osterfelde. And Szczecinek was known as Neustettin. Poland
gain those German territories following Yalta and Potsdam agreements
between the Allies and new Polish names were assign to replace the old
German.

There were no Jewish settlements in those areas. Meryl Polski was
referring to Russian Poland or proper Russia. It appears that Mark
Grekin's suggestion is more appropriate than the others.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Alberta

MODERATOR NOTE: Since the original question has been
answered satisfactorily, we can now close this thread.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Ostropole #general

A.Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

David Gordon wrote:

Meryl Persky asked about her grandfather's place of birth,
"Oustra-Polia." My uneducated guess is that this could be Ostropole, in
northwestern Poland. It is a small town located about 15 km west of
(and on the main road leading west from) Szczecinek.
Village Ostropole near szczecinek in NW Poland was known before the end
of W.W.II as Osterfelde. And Szczecinek was known as Neustettin. Poland
gain those German territories following Yalta and Potsdam agreements
between the Allies and new Polish names were assign to replace the old
German.

There were no Jewish settlements in those areas. Meryl Polski was
referring to Russian Poland or proper Russia. It appears that Mark
Grekin's suggestion is more appropriate than the others.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Alberta

MODERATOR NOTE: Since the original question has been
answered satisfactorily, we can now close this thread.
Philadelphia Cemetery inquiry - Har Jehuda #general

JoeZam@...
 

If there is anyone planning to visit Har Jehuda cemetery outside of
Philadelphia and you have some extra time, please let me know. I wish to find
out if my GGGF's burial site has a headstone with legible inscriptions. I
would like to visit personnally in the near future but would like to know
there will be something to see beforehand. If anyone has such plans and can
spare the extra time I can provide the grave site location.

Joseph T. Zamrin
Tampa, FL

JoeZam@AOL.com

Searching ZAMARIN, ZAMRIN
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Philadelphia Cemetery inquiry - Har Jehuda #general

JoeZam@...
 

If there is anyone planning to visit Har Jehuda cemetery outside of
Philadelphia and you have some extra time, please let me know. I wish to find
out if my GGGF's burial site has a headstone with legible inscriptions. I
would like to visit personnally in the near future but would like to know
there will be something to see beforehand. If anyone has such plans and can
spare the extra time I can provide the grave site location.

Joseph T. Zamrin
Tampa, FL

JoeZam@AOL.com

Searching ZAMARIN, ZAMRIN
Searching HAAS #general

Richard H Henley <rhenley1@...>
 

Searching for any information or anyone who might have known
Joseph HAAS >from New London, CT

Richard Henley
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching HAAS #general

Richard H Henley <rhenley1@...>
 

Searching for any information or anyone who might have known
Joseph HAAS >from New London, CT

Richard Henley
A very big dilemma #general

Foodphile@...
 

I have a very frustrating situation and would appreciate any and all opinions.
My ggrandfather, Isaac DUNITZ first shows up in the 1905 census as Ike
Dennets.
He is Ike Denitz in the 1910 census, Israel Dunetz in 1915, Isadore Dunitz in
1920 census,and Isaac Doonatz in the 1925 census.
He stated all along that he came to the U.S. in 1898. His wife, Chane came
with 4 children in July 1904. She was listed on the manifest as Chane
Donetz....meeting Itzig Dunetz.
I have checked the Passenger Arrivals and cannot find his arrival.
I have tried to find him in the 1900 Soundex census.
I have tried the NYC street directory 1901-1902, 1904.

I have checked under all possible spellings including Diamond...which is the
surname that Chane (who later became Anna) died under, and the surname that my
grandmother, Yetta used later in her life.
I don't know if he died under Dunetz, Dunitz, etc....or Diamond like Anna.

I am now thinking that perhaps the family surname was not Dunetz, etc......but
a longer name which was shortened upon arrival at Ellis Island.
I have Anna's burial at Mt. Zion but no Isaac, Ike, etc.
Any suggestions and help would be greatly appreciated.

Meryl Persky
Calabasas, Ca.
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen A very big dilemma #general

Foodphile@...
 

I have a very frustrating situation and would appreciate any and all opinions.
My ggrandfather, Isaac DUNITZ first shows up in the 1905 census as Ike
Dennets.
He is Ike Denitz in the 1910 census, Israel Dunetz in 1915, Isadore Dunitz in
1920 census,and Isaac Doonatz in the 1925 census.
He stated all along that he came to the U.S. in 1898. His wife, Chane came
with 4 children in July 1904. She was listed on the manifest as Chane
Donetz....meeting Itzig Dunetz.
I have checked the Passenger Arrivals and cannot find his arrival.
I have tried to find him in the 1900 Soundex census.
I have tried the NYC street directory 1901-1902, 1904.

I have checked under all possible spellings including Diamond...which is the
surname that Chane (who later became Anna) died under, and the surname that my
grandmother, Yetta used later in her life.
I don't know if he died under Dunetz, Dunitz, etc....or Diamond like Anna.

I am now thinking that perhaps the family surname was not Dunetz, etc......but
a longer name which was shortened upon arrival at Ellis Island.
I have Anna's burial at Mt. Zion but no Isaac, Ike, etc.
Any suggestions and help would be greatly appreciated.

Meryl Persky
Calabasas, Ca.
Brooklyn Death Certificates #general

Jose Gutstein <jmg-miami@...>
 

Anyone who has obtained death certificates >from Brooklyn, N.Y. for the
period around 1920, could you tell me if it's likely that it contains
genealogical information (father's name, mother's maiden name, place of
birth)?

Thank you,

Jose Gutstein
JMG-Miami@msn.com
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Brooklyn Death Certificates #general

Jose Gutstein <jmg-miami@...>
 

Anyone who has obtained death certificates >from Brooklyn, N.Y. for the
period around 1920, could you tell me if it's likely that it contains
genealogical information (father's name, mother's maiden name, place of
birth)?

Thank you,

Jose Gutstein
JMG-Miami@msn.com
Umanier Verein Landsmanshaften - Philadelphia #general

JoeZam@...
 

Is anyone aware of the availability of records of the Umanier Verein (Uman)
Landsmanshaften society in Philadelphia?

Joseph T. Zamrin
Tampa, FL

JoeZam@AOL.com

Searching ZAMARIN, ZAMRIN
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Umanier Verein Landsmanshaften - Philadelphia #general

JoeZam@...
 

Is anyone aware of the availability of records of the Umanier Verein (Uman)
Landsmanshaften society in Philadelphia?

Joseph T. Zamrin
Tampa, FL

JoeZam@AOL.com

Searching ZAMARIN, ZAMRIN
Re: Family roots #general

Adelle Gloger
 

Dear G enners,
This was posted to the group on Sept. 10th.

Are you looking for your family roots?

http://www.preker.co.il
I went to the web site. It is obvious that "Israel" has put a lot of work
into this site. There are many interesting and informative areas. However, a
good deal of it must have been in Hebrew because it was not readable to me; it
appeared to be some type of 'code'. My computer could not 'translate' whatever
was there.
It is really too bad that I could not benefit >from all the hard work that
went into this site.
Just wanted to let others know what they might find.



Adelle Gloger
Shaker Hts., Ohio
agloger@aol.com
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Family roots #general

Adelle Gloger
 

Dear G enners,
This was posted to the group on Sept. 10th.

Are you looking for your family roots?

http://www.preker.co.il
I went to the web site. It is obvious that "Israel" has put a lot of work
into this site. There are many interesting and informative areas. However, a
good deal of it must have been in Hebrew because it was not readable to me; it
appeared to be some type of 'code'. My computer could not 'translate' whatever
was there.
It is really too bad that I could not benefit >from all the hard work that
went into this site.
Just wanted to let others know what they might find.



Adelle Gloger
Shaker Hts., Ohio
agloger@aol.com
Hy LIT #general

Mjs312@...
 

We have been searching for Herbert SILVER and remember now that his wife,
Fay STEINBERG, was related to Hy LIT, who used to broadcast in
Philadelphia. Does anyone know how to get in touch with Hy LIT? He might
know where the Silvers are now.
Edithe Silver (South Jersey)
Seeking information:
BARUCH>Hungary>NY,PINAND>Hungary,FRANZBLAU>Hungary,GRUENBAUM>Minsk
GAERTNER<GERTNER>GARTNER>Hungary>NY, HERSKOWITZ (AKA
HERSHEY)>Hungary>NY>Montreal>NY, RUDERMAN>Minsk>NY, SOLOVEICHIK (AKA SOLOV or
SOLOW)>Minsk>NY,MARGOLIES>Minsk
SILVER>Phila
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Hy LIT #general

Mjs312@...
 

We have been searching for Herbert SILVER and remember now that his wife,
Fay STEINBERG, was related to Hy LIT, who used to broadcast in
Philadelphia. Does anyone know how to get in touch with Hy LIT? He might
know where the Silvers are now.
Edithe Silver (South Jersey)
Seeking information:
BARUCH>Hungary>NY,PINAND>Hungary,FRANZBLAU>Hungary,GRUENBAUM>Minsk
GAERTNER<GERTNER>GARTNER>Hungary>NY, HERSKOWITZ (AKA
HERSHEY)>Hungary>NY>Montreal>NY, RUDERMAN>Minsk>NY, SOLOVEICHIK (AKA SOLOV or
SOLOW)>Minsk>NY,MARGOLIES>Minsk
SILVER>Phila
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