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Kramer and the Vilna Gaon #general

Haim Fridman <fridman@...>
 

Stacey Harris wrote:
My mother has a book that she always assumed was her grandfather's Bible
which has family (Hebrew? Yiddish?) birth date inscriptions on the
inside cover.
Now to my questions: The book owner's name was Abraham Abba
KRAMER I've been told that Abba is not a middle name. If not, what is
it? And can we chalk the
divergent KRAMER/KREMER spellings up to anglicized translations, either
of which may be correct?
I had always thought that Abraham was born in Wolkowisk,
Lithuania (District of Suvolki), but he wrote on the inside cover of this
reference book that he was >from the city of Umnikavushek,
Pkshnsoovomolok. Are these places near each other or are they the same
place?
The correct transliteration of the surname is Kremer, although Kramer is
often used. It is a surname derived >from the occupation of a shopkeeper, or
more specifically a stallholder in a market. The name was used by one of
the Gaon of Vilna's ancestors, Rabbi Moshe "Kremer" who died in 1688 in
Vilna where he was the chief rabbi. Some researchers of the Gaon's family
erroneously assumed that Kremer was the surname of the Gaon's family. The
Gaon had no surname as he died in 1797 prior to the introduction of
surnames in the Russian Empire. However some of the Gaon's family adopted
the surname "Kremer", particularly the descendants of the Gaon's brother
Rabbi Moshe of Podzelva, Lithuania.

What is particularly interesting about Stacey Harris's message is that the
owner of her family's book, Avraham Abba Kremer may be identified as the
father of Rabbi Yitskhak Tsvi Kramer whose wife Lieba Jurbarsky was a
great-granddaughter of the Gaon of Vilna. Lieba died in 1899 in Jerusalem
followed by her husband in 1901. Both are buried in the rabbinical section
of the old cemetery on the Mount of Olives. My sources indicate that
Avraham Abba Kramer was >from Volkovisk, although he may have lived at some
time at the place inscribed in the book.

It remains to be seen whether Stacey is a descendant of Yitskahk Tsvi
Kramer (many of whose descendants settled in the USA) or of a sibling, in
which case she would not be a descendant of the Gaon.

Gmar Khatimah Tovah
Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
web page: http://www.avotaynu.com/gaonbook.html


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Kramer and the Vilna Gaon #general

Haim Fridman <fridman@...>
 

Stacey Harris wrote:
My mother has a book that she always assumed was her grandfather's Bible
which has family (Hebrew? Yiddish?) birth date inscriptions on the
inside cover.
Now to my questions: The book owner's name was Abraham Abba
KRAMER I've been told that Abba is not a middle name. If not, what is
it? And can we chalk the
divergent KRAMER/KREMER spellings up to anglicized translations, either
of which may be correct?
I had always thought that Abraham was born in Wolkowisk,
Lithuania (District of Suvolki), but he wrote on the inside cover of this
reference book that he was >from the city of Umnikavushek,
Pkshnsoovomolok. Are these places near each other or are they the same
place?
The correct transliteration of the surname is Kremer, although Kramer is
often used. It is a surname derived >from the occupation of a shopkeeper, or
more specifically a stallholder in a market. The name was used by one of
the Gaon of Vilna's ancestors, Rabbi Moshe "Kremer" who died in 1688 in
Vilna where he was the chief rabbi. Some researchers of the Gaon's family
erroneously assumed that Kremer was the surname of the Gaon's family. The
Gaon had no surname as he died in 1797 prior to the introduction of
surnames in the Russian Empire. However some of the Gaon's family adopted
the surname "Kremer", particularly the descendants of the Gaon's brother
Rabbi Moshe of Podzelva, Lithuania.

What is particularly interesting about Stacey Harris's message is that the
owner of her family's book, Avraham Abba Kremer may be identified as the
father of Rabbi Yitskhak Tsvi Kramer whose wife Lieba Jurbarsky was a
great-granddaughter of the Gaon of Vilna. Lieba died in 1899 in Jerusalem
followed by her husband in 1901. Both are buried in the rabbinical section
of the old cemetery on the Mount of Olives. My sources indicate that
Avraham Abba Kramer was >from Volkovisk, although he may have lived at some
time at the place inscribed in the book.

It remains to be seen whether Stacey is a descendant of Yitskahk Tsvi
Kramer (many of whose descendants settled in the USA) or of a sibling, in
which case she would not be a descendant of the Gaon.

Gmar Khatimah Tovah
Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
web page: http://www.avotaynu.com/gaonbook.html


The name Jesajas #general

lindaschu <lindaschu@...>
 

Has anyone seen the first name Jesajas? It is German. Is it Jewish?
Numerous family trees show a Jesajas Simon SCHUELEIN b. 1791, Thalmassing,
Bavaria,Germany, which is where all my husband's ancestors are from. TIA.
Linda Schulein, California. lindaschu@msn.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen The name Jesajas #general

lindaschu <lindaschu@...>
 

Has anyone seen the first name Jesajas? It is German. Is it Jewish?
Numerous family trees show a Jesajas Simon SCHUELEIN b. 1791, Thalmassing,
Bavaria,Germany, which is where all my husband's ancestors are from. TIA.
Linda Schulein, California. lindaschu@msn.com


Hrubieszow List Introduction #general

JewishCo1@...
 

Dear JewishGen List Members,
This message has already been sent to the descendants of the town
of Hrubieszow, but I am sending it to JewishGen so anyone else who has
roots in this town who was (for some reason) omitted >from my list can still
have access to joining.

The Hrubieszow List is a forum specifically dedicated to the town of
Hrubieszow in Poland. List members will discuss issues concerning family
genealogy, history, and holocaust occurrences in accordance with the
history of this small Polish town. Prominent families, people, and historical
events relating to Hrubieszow will be discussed. Furthermore, Jewish
Holocaust issues should be anticipated to all subscribers, as the entire
Jewish population of this town was forced to leave (WWII). The intent of the
list is to revive the culture of Hrubieszow, to allow Hrubieszow descendants
to learn about their family histories, and to help establish translations of
the
Hrubieszow civil (birth, marriage, death) records available on the Internet.

For those of you who are not aware, there is quite a collection of
books, pamphlets, and memorabilia put together by members of the
Hrubieszow Survivors Association is Israel, Australia, Mexico, and the
United States. Arthur Kurzweil once said:

"During the Holocaust the nazis took the names of the [Jewish]
people, each with their own soul, and put numbers on their arms. It
is the job of every Jewish descendant to take away those numbers,
and give them back their names."

I feel it is our duty as descendants of Zionists, Rabbis, Leaders,
and citizens [>from the town of Hrubieszow] to give these people,
whether relatives or not, their names back. I can only pray you join
me on this journey of learning.

To subscribe to the list, e-mail me, and I will personally add you
to the list. Thank you.

Aaron J. Biterman
JewishCo1@aol.com
Hrubieszow List Moderator


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Hrubieszow List Introduction #general

JewishCo1@...
 

Dear JewishGen List Members,
This message has already been sent to the descendants of the town
of Hrubieszow, but I am sending it to JewishGen so anyone else who has
roots in this town who was (for some reason) omitted >from my list can still
have access to joining.

The Hrubieszow List is a forum specifically dedicated to the town of
Hrubieszow in Poland. List members will discuss issues concerning family
genealogy, history, and holocaust occurrences in accordance with the
history of this small Polish town. Prominent families, people, and historical
events relating to Hrubieszow will be discussed. Furthermore, Jewish
Holocaust issues should be anticipated to all subscribers, as the entire
Jewish population of this town was forced to leave (WWII). The intent of the
list is to revive the culture of Hrubieszow, to allow Hrubieszow descendants
to learn about their family histories, and to help establish translations of
the
Hrubieszow civil (birth, marriage, death) records available on the Internet.

For those of you who are not aware, there is quite a collection of
books, pamphlets, and memorabilia put together by members of the
Hrubieszow Survivors Association is Israel, Australia, Mexico, and the
United States. Arthur Kurzweil once said:

"During the Holocaust the nazis took the names of the [Jewish]
people, each with their own soul, and put numbers on their arms. It
is the job of every Jewish descendant to take away those numbers,
and give them back their names."

I feel it is our duty as descendants of Zionists, Rabbis, Leaders,
and citizens [>from the town of Hrubieszow] to give these people,
whether relatives or not, their names back. I can only pray you join
me on this journey of learning.

To subscribe to the list, e-mail me, and I will personally add you
to the list. Thank you.

Aaron J. Biterman
JewishCo1@aol.com
Hrubieszow List Moderator


Re: Need info:Hebrew Orphan Asylum, NYC, early 1900s #general

Emb0 <emb0@...>
 

I'm seeking information about the Hebrew orphan Asylum that was
in New York City in the early 1900s. My mother lived there >from about
1916-1921. It was uptown on about 128th street.
If you know of a book, website or other source please let me know.
Henry-

You might try http://www.scruz.net/~elias/hnoh/USJORPH6A.html. It contains
information on numerous orphanages, including those in New York.

Eric Benshetler (Emb0@nospam.aol.com -- remove "nospam" to
reply)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Need info:Hebrew Orphan Asylum, NYC, early 1900s #general

Emb0 <emb0@...>
 

I'm seeking information about the Hebrew orphan Asylum that was
in New York City in the early 1900s. My mother lived there >from about
1916-1921. It was uptown on about 128th street.
If you know of a book, website or other source please let me know.
Henry-

You might try http://www.scruz.net/~elias/hnoh/USJORPH6A.html. It contains
information on numerous orphanages, including those in New York.

Eric Benshetler (Emb0@nospam.aol.com -- remove "nospam" to
reply)


Mary Alfonso e-mail bounced #general

gayle riley <key2pst@...>
 

I am sorry to post this, but the e-mail address for Mary Alfonso is out
dated. Could she please get in touch with me.
Also if you have put an e-mail address on any Family Finder type list
please update your e-mail address on these lists. So other people will
not have to post to look for you.
Gayle Riley >from San Gabriel, Ca

Seeking: EDER and SCHLISSEL, >from Tarnobrzeg
GOLD and SOLOMAN >from Iasi
MOSKOVITZ, GARFINKEL & ZELEVANSKY >from Timkovichi
SLOBODKIN, LEVINE & COHEN >from Minsk


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Mary Alfonso e-mail bounced #general

gayle riley <key2pst@...>
 

I am sorry to post this, but the e-mail address for Mary Alfonso is out
dated. Could she please get in touch with me.
Also if you have put an e-mail address on any Family Finder type list
please update your e-mail address on these lists. So other people will
not have to post to look for you.
Gayle Riley >from San Gabriel, Ca

Seeking: EDER and SCHLISSEL, >from Tarnobrzeg
GOLD and SOLOMAN >from Iasi
MOSKOVITZ, GARFINKEL & ZELEVANSKY >from Timkovichi
SLOBODKIN, LEVINE & COHEN >from Minsk


CEMETERIES IN BERGEN COUNTY #general

PRES LOIS M FRIEDMAN <ZDJJ37A@...>
 

Hi,

I had written before offering to take pictures of stones in Cedar
Park/Beth-El Cemeteries in the Paramus, NJ area and Riverside
Cemetery in the Lodi/Rochelle Park, NJ area. Well, there are
one or two Jewish Cemeteries in Saddle Brook, NJ and I would be glad
to do the same in these cemeteries. The only thing is that these
cemeteries have no offices for me to check where the
burial sites are located which makes it quite difficult.
So if you have some-even a little-info I will be
glad to give it a try.

Good luck to all of us on our searches.

L'Shana Tova,
Lois Segall Friedman
Searching: SEGALL, GREIF, LECHNER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen CEMETERIES IN BERGEN COUNTY #general

PRES LOIS M FRIEDMAN <ZDJJ37A@...>
 

Hi,

I had written before offering to take pictures of stones in Cedar
Park/Beth-El Cemeteries in the Paramus, NJ area and Riverside
Cemetery in the Lodi/Rochelle Park, NJ area. Well, there are
one or two Jewish Cemeteries in Saddle Brook, NJ and I would be glad
to do the same in these cemeteries. The only thing is that these
cemeteries have no offices for me to check where the
burial sites are located which makes it quite difficult.
So if you have some-even a little-info I will be
glad to give it a try.

Good luck to all of us on our searches.

L'Shana Tova,
Lois Segall Friedman
Searching: SEGALL, GREIF, LECHNER


Re: BURDINE--Elvis's Jewish link, finally! #general

Plutsk <plutsk@...>
 

According to JewWho <www.jewwho.com>,

Elvis mother, Gladys, was half Jewish. There is a Star of David on her
gravestone.......her Great Great Grandmother was Jewish.

Steve GOLD
Detroit area


Ellis Island marriages #general

cmaxwell <cmaxwell@...>
 

For Jewishgenners looking for marriage records >from Ellis Island:

One of my great-aunts was married at Ellis Island by a local justice of
the peace. I didn't find a record there either, but I was able to get
a copy (handcopied) of her marriage record >from the state of Massachu-
setts where she lived. Her husband met her at the boat, married her
at Ellis, then took her back to Massachusetts where he was living.

Hope this helps --

Nancy Maxwell

Researching BELKIN (Zembin, Russia) PLISKIN (Plissa, Russia)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: BURDINE--Elvis's Jewish link, finally! #general

Plutsk <plutsk@...>
 

According to JewWho <www.jewwho.com>,

Elvis mother, Gladys, was half Jewish. There is a Star of David on her
gravestone.......her Great Great Grandmother was Jewish.

Steve GOLD
Detroit area


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ellis Island marriages #general

cmaxwell <cmaxwell@...>
 

For Jewishgenners looking for marriage records >from Ellis Island:

One of my great-aunts was married at Ellis Island by a local justice of
the peace. I didn't find a record there either, but I was able to get
a copy (handcopied) of her marriage record >from the state of Massachu-
setts where she lived. Her husband met her at the boat, married her
at Ellis, then took her back to Massachusetts where he was living.

Hope this helps --

Nancy Maxwell

Researching BELKIN (Zembin, Russia) PLISKIN (Plissa, Russia)


SS St Louis - BARDELEBEN #general

John F. DeBardeleben <debard@...>
 

I am trying to locate genealogical information about Anna BARDELEBEN
(b.1896) and her daughter Marianne BARDELEBEN (b.1930) who were passengers
on the SS St.Louis. Can you suggest records which could tell me the
background and fate of this family? Please respond directly via e-mail if
you can help
Thanks,
John DeBardeleben


Re: 2000 Census #galicia

Plutsk <plutsk@...>
 

Although I am a genealogist too, we cannot expect that the debate swirling
around the decennial census will be steered by genealogical considerations.
The purpose of the census -- toward which many millions of tax dollars are
spent, and through which billions of Federal dollars are allocated -- is
basically to apportion the Congress among the States. This requires only a
head count.

The debate concerns whether the population determination is legally and
appropriately made using statistical techniques to augment the head count, or
whether only the count itself is proper. The specific pieces of information
collected are very much secondary, and are not at all central to the current
controversy.

Steve GOLD
Detroit area


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SS St Louis - BARDELEBEN #general

John F. DeBardeleben <debard@...>
 

I am trying to locate genealogical information about Anna BARDELEBEN
(b.1896) and her daughter Marianne BARDELEBEN (b.1930) who were passengers
on the SS St.Louis. Can you suggest records which could tell me the
background and fate of this family? Please respond directly via e-mail if
you can help
Thanks,
John DeBardeleben


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: 2000 Census #general

Plutsk <plutsk@...>
 

Although I am a genealogist too, we cannot expect that the debate swirling
around the decennial census will be steered by genealogical considerations.
The purpose of the census -- toward which many millions of tax dollars are
spent, and through which billions of Federal dollars are allocated -- is
basically to apportion the Congress among the States. This requires only a
head count.

The debate concerns whether the population determination is legally and
appropriately made using statistical techniques to augment the head count, or
whether only the count itself is proper. The specific pieces of information
collected are very much secondary, and are not at all central to the current
controversy.

Steve GOLD
Detroit area