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Reb is not Rav! #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 


Subject: information on tombstones
From: Ben Saltman <bhsalt@...>
>
This is my first posting and I have just started my geneology search. The
inscription on my grandmother's tombstone, in Hebrew, in Los Angeles 1937,
refers to her father as "Rav." My Israeli son-in-law tells me that the
inscription is very traditional and "Rav" may be an honorary title and not
mean that he was a Rabbi. Could someone comment on this?
Your son-in-law is correct. "R" on a tombstone ( Resh apostrophe) or (if
written in full) Resh Bet, would stand for Reb, a yiddishized
pronunciation of the word "Rav." This pronunciation is used when the title
is simply an honorific which means nothing more nor less than plain "Mr."
Actually, it is sociologically interesting to note that "Mr." and "Reb"
both originate in words meaning "master" or "teacher" Reb comes >from Rav
and Mr. >from the Latin Magister, meaning Master in the sense of teacher.
(In both cases the pronunciation changes when you DON"T mean that
literally; Rav becomes Reb and Master becomes Mister. But what

If the deceased had been a rabbi, it would have said H-R-V (HaRav, lit.
"the Rabbi") followed by his name.

Judith Romney Wegner


more about ships' manifests at Kew #general

SBSeales
 

For those who might be interested in passenger manifests stored at the
British Public Records Office in London: If you are planning to contact Debbie
Beavis regardng a search, please, please only contact her if you know within a
span of a very few weeks what date you are looking for. Because these records
are unindexed, it just isn't possible to to conduct a search over a large time
period. Debbie is a valuable contact, but let's not overwhelm her with
requests she cannot honor.
Sue Seales


Report from Lodz #general

HOLORO@...
 

Yesterday I said a Mourner's Prayer at the graves of my great grandfather,
HERSZ MORDCHAJEWICZ vel AJNENBAUM (1820-1900), and my great grandmother YENTA
(ZYCHLINSKA) MORDCHAJEWICZ (1841-1901).

Lodz is the city that my Mom & Dad and all of my grandparents were born in and
coming here for a visit was something I've wanted to do for many years. I had
to do a lot of tramping through an overgrown cemetery but it was well worth
it.

I also visited Aleksandrow where another great grandmother, RUCHLA LEAH
(GORZEWSKI) RUDEK (1828-1894) was born.

Tuesday I celebrated Succoth at the Lodz Jewish Community Center. They had a
Succah (sp?) but we ate inside because it was too cold for the old people
outside. We had a meal exactly like my grandmother made and it was wonderful.

In the next few days I'll be visiting Zdanska Wola, Brezin and Lask for more
research and then off to Cracow and Auschwitz.

I haven't sorted out all my emotions as yet, but there's a lot spinning around
in my head and stomach.

Howard L. Rosen holoro@...
Mountainside, NJ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Reb is not Rav! #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 


Subject: information on tombstones
From: Ben Saltman <bhsalt@...>
>
This is my first posting and I have just started my geneology search. The
inscription on my grandmother's tombstone, in Hebrew, in Los Angeles 1937,
refers to her father as "Rav." My Israeli son-in-law tells me that the
inscription is very traditional and "Rav" may be an honorary title and not
mean that he was a Rabbi. Could someone comment on this?
Your son-in-law is correct. "R" on a tombstone ( Resh apostrophe) or (if
written in full) Resh Bet, would stand for Reb, a yiddishized
pronunciation of the word "Rav." This pronunciation is used when the title
is simply an honorific which means nothing more nor less than plain "Mr."
Actually, it is sociologically interesting to note that "Mr." and "Reb"
both originate in words meaning "master" or "teacher" Reb comes >from Rav
and Mr. >from the Latin Magister, meaning Master in the sense of teacher.
(In both cases the pronunciation changes when you DON"T mean that
literally; Rav becomes Reb and Master becomes Mister. But what

If the deceased had been a rabbi, it would have said H-R-V (HaRav, lit.
"the Rabbi") followed by his name.

Judith Romney Wegner


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen more about ships' manifests at Kew #general

SBSeales
 

For those who might be interested in passenger manifests stored at the
British Public Records Office in London: If you are planning to contact Debbie
Beavis regardng a search, please, please only contact her if you know within a
span of a very few weeks what date you are looking for. Because these records
are unindexed, it just isn't possible to to conduct a search over a large time
period. Debbie is a valuable contact, but let's not overwhelm her with
requests she cannot honor.
Sue Seales


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Report from Lodz #general

HOLORO@...
 

Yesterday I said a Mourner's Prayer at the graves of my great grandfather,
HERSZ MORDCHAJEWICZ vel AJNENBAUM (1820-1900), and my great grandmother YENTA
(ZYCHLINSKA) MORDCHAJEWICZ (1841-1901).

Lodz is the city that my Mom & Dad and all of my grandparents were born in and
coming here for a visit was something I've wanted to do for many years. I had
to do a lot of tramping through an overgrown cemetery but it was well worth
it.

I also visited Aleksandrow where another great grandmother, RUCHLA LEAH
(GORZEWSKI) RUDEK (1828-1894) was born.

Tuesday I celebrated Succoth at the Lodz Jewish Community Center. They had a
Succah (sp?) but we ate inside because it was too cold for the old people
outside. We had a meal exactly like my grandmother made and it was wonderful.

In the next few days I'll be visiting Zdanska Wola, Brezin and Lask for more
research and then off to Cracow and Auschwitz.

I haven't sorted out all my emotions as yet, but there's a lot spinning around
in my head and stomach.

Howard L. Rosen holoro@...
Mountainside, NJ


Re: Pinkhas hakehillot Ukraine? #general

Bruce Reisch <bir1@...>
 

Actually, checking back on my records, the memorial chapters on
Ukrainian Bukovina are in the following volume (on Romania, not the
Ukraine):

from Pinkas Hakehillot: Encyclopedia of Jewish Communities,
Rumania, Volume II
a publication of Yad Vashem, Jerusalem, 1980


Bruce Reisch
Geneva, New York, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Pinkhas hakehillot Ukraine? #general

Bruce Reisch <bir1@...>
 

Actually, checking back on my records, the memorial chapters on
Ukrainian Bukovina are in the following volume (on Romania, not the
Ukraine):

from Pinkas Hakehillot: Encyclopedia of Jewish Communities,
Rumania, Volume II
a publication of Yad Vashem, Jerusalem, 1980


Bruce Reisch
Geneva, New York, USA


searching NARA by email #general

SBSeales
 

I have also had a very quick turn-around time when searching NARA in New
England. At the NARA website <www.nara.gov> you can get email addresses for
all the regional branches.
Sue Seales


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen searching NARA by email #general

SBSeales
 

I have also had a very quick turn-around time when searching NARA in New
England. At the NARA website <www.nara.gov> you can get email addresses for
all the regional branches.
Sue Seales


ALBERTA JGS MEETING #general

haflo <haflo@...>
 

For JGS (S. Alberta) Members & Friends-

Meeting information will also be added to our new web page which you can
see at:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Village/9200

OCTOBER - OPEN MEMBERSHIP MEETING:
The guest speaker for our October meeting will be Sue Olson, President of
Public Relations at the LDS Family History Centre in Calgary. Her talk will
cover "All You Ever Wanted to Know about Jewish Research at the LDS, but
Were Afraid to Ask"! At this important meeting, you will learn about the
extensive international family records which have been collected &
microfilmed by the LDS, (including those areas which may not be on file).
Sue will demonstrate the step-by-step procedures necessary for accessing
records of value to your personal genealogy, & will explain some of the
inherent problems you might encounter, as well as suggesting possible
solutions. There will be a question & answer period afterwards.
To date, the LDS Family History Centres, (with their vast banks of data
housed in Salt Lake City), possess the most comprehensive genealogical
resources available to researchers of all ethnic backgrounds. This is a
wonderful opportunity for you to learn how to use these resources
efficiently. Please make it a point to attend this extremely informative &
interesting evening & add to your research skills.
Everyone is invited to bring friends who are interested. Basic Genealogy
Starter Kits will be distributed to newly paid members.

CALENDAR DATE to NOTE:

DATE: TUESDAY, October 27, 1998
TIME: 7:30pm (MEETING WILL START ON TIME)
PLACE: Calgary JCC (Auditorium)
1607 - 90 Ave SW
PROGRAM: "All You Ever Wanted to Know about Jewish Research at the LDS,
but Were Afraid to Ask"
SPEAKER: Sue Olson, President of Public Relations
(LDS Family History Centre, Calgary)

Kindly RSVP by calling (403) 850-4337

For further information, please contact Florence Elman (Pres.)
<haflo@...>


October Meeting of Jewish Genealogical Society of Philadelphia #general

JGLois@...
 

Date: Monday, October 19, 1998
Time: 7:45 PM
Place: The Newman Building at GRATZ COLLEGE
Old York Road (Route 611) and Melrose Avenue
Melrose Park, PA
******************************
Speaker: SUSAN KING, Founder and President of Jewishgen
Topic: Preserving our History for Future Generations
******************************

The JGS of Philadelphia is honored and pleased to announce
that, during her trip to the east coast, Susan King has agreed
to address the October meeting of the JGSP. Susan will not only
discuss the tremendous advancements made by JewishGen in
the field of Jewish Genealogy, but how those efforts will help
preserve the history of the Jewish people and facilitate ancestral
research by future generations.

Susan is yet another "Jewel in the Crown of Speakers" who have
addressed the JGSP during the past year. She joins our list of
speakers which has included: Miriam Weiner, Sallyann Sack and
Karen Franklin. The JGSP and the entire genealogical community
of the greater Philadelphia area eagerly awaits her appearance at
the meeting.

Interested friends are welcome

***********************
Refreshments will be served following the meeting
***********************
RIDE SHARING PROGRAM: (215) 947-7374
***********************
RUSSIAN SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP:
Place: Klein Branch JCC, Red Lion Road and Jamison Avenue.
Time: Sunday afternoon, Oct. 25, 1998 at 1:30 PM
***********************
COMPUTER SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP:
Place: Chapel of the Newman Bldg. at Gratz College
Time: Monday evening, Oct. 27, 1998 at 7:30 PM
***********************
For all who are researching Philadelphia roots
and need information on local resources; cemeteries,
funeral directors, repositories (and much more)
please visit the JGSP website:
http://www1.jewishgen.org/jgsp
***************************************
Lois Sernoff [for JGS Philadelphia]
<JGLois@...>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ALBERTA JGS MEETING #general

haflo <haflo@...>
 

For JGS (S. Alberta) Members & Friends-

Meeting information will also be added to our new web page which you can
see at:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Village/9200

OCTOBER - OPEN MEMBERSHIP MEETING:
The guest speaker for our October meeting will be Sue Olson, President of
Public Relations at the LDS Family History Centre in Calgary. Her talk will
cover "All You Ever Wanted to Know about Jewish Research at the LDS, but
Were Afraid to Ask"! At this important meeting, you will learn about the
extensive international family records which have been collected &
microfilmed by the LDS, (including those areas which may not be on file).
Sue will demonstrate the step-by-step procedures necessary for accessing
records of value to your personal genealogy, & will explain some of the
inherent problems you might encounter, as well as suggesting possible
solutions. There will be a question & answer period afterwards.
To date, the LDS Family History Centres, (with their vast banks of data
housed in Salt Lake City), possess the most comprehensive genealogical
resources available to researchers of all ethnic backgrounds. This is a
wonderful opportunity for you to learn how to use these resources
efficiently. Please make it a point to attend this extremely informative &
interesting evening & add to your research skills.
Everyone is invited to bring friends who are interested. Basic Genealogy
Starter Kits will be distributed to newly paid members.

CALENDAR DATE to NOTE:

DATE: TUESDAY, October 27, 1998
TIME: 7:30pm (MEETING WILL START ON TIME)
PLACE: Calgary JCC (Auditorium)
1607 - 90 Ave SW
PROGRAM: "All You Ever Wanted to Know about Jewish Research at the LDS,
but Were Afraid to Ask"
SPEAKER: Sue Olson, President of Public Relations
(LDS Family History Centre, Calgary)

Kindly RSVP by calling (403) 850-4337

For further information, please contact Florence Elman (Pres.)
<haflo@...>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen October Meeting of Jewish Genealogical Society of Philadelphia #general

JGLois@...
 

Date: Monday, October 19, 1998
Time: 7:45 PM
Place: The Newman Building at GRATZ COLLEGE
Old York Road (Route 611) and Melrose Avenue
Melrose Park, PA
******************************
Speaker: SUSAN KING, Founder and President of Jewishgen
Topic: Preserving our History for Future Generations
******************************

The JGS of Philadelphia is honored and pleased to announce
that, during her trip to the east coast, Susan King has agreed
to address the October meeting of the JGSP. Susan will not only
discuss the tremendous advancements made by JewishGen in
the field of Jewish Genealogy, but how those efforts will help
preserve the history of the Jewish people and facilitate ancestral
research by future generations.

Susan is yet another "Jewel in the Crown of Speakers" who have
addressed the JGSP during the past year. She joins our list of
speakers which has included: Miriam Weiner, Sallyann Sack and
Karen Franklin. The JGSP and the entire genealogical community
of the greater Philadelphia area eagerly awaits her appearance at
the meeting.

Interested friends are welcome

***********************
Refreshments will be served following the meeting
***********************
RIDE SHARING PROGRAM: (215) 947-7374
***********************
RUSSIAN SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP:
Place: Klein Branch JCC, Red Lion Road and Jamison Avenue.
Time: Sunday afternoon, Oct. 25, 1998 at 1:30 PM
***********************
COMPUTER SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP:
Place: Chapel of the Newman Bldg. at Gratz College
Time: Monday evening, Oct. 27, 1998 at 7:30 PM
***********************
For all who are researching Philadelphia roots
and need information on local resources; cemeteries,
funeral directors, repositories (and much more)
please visit the JGSP website:
http://www1.jewishgen.org/jgsp
***************************************
Lois Sernoff [for JGS Philadelphia]
<JGLois@...>


Utah Birth Records #general

Gabor Zsolnay <gmz262@...>
 

Has anyone had any luck finding birth certificates >from Utah in the 1880s?
To make things harder, I do not know the town where the births may have
taken place. One would think that in the land of Mormons, there would be
great birth records, but so far I have had no luck. Any suggestions?

Sincerely,

Carol Adler Zsolnay at gmz262@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Utah Birth Records #general

Gabor Zsolnay <gmz262@...>
 

Has anyone had any luck finding birth certificates >from Utah in the 1880s?
To make things harder, I do not know the town where the births may have
taken place. One would think that in the land of Mormons, there would be
great birth records, but so far I have had no luck. Any suggestions?

Sincerely,

Carol Adler Zsolnay at gmz262@...


Re: Gorodishchers Burials #general

Arthur S. Abramson <abramson@...>
 

Lois Sernoff (jewishgen digest: October 05, 1998) has asked, "Does
anyone know of any NY cemetery(s) with ground dedicated
to members of a NY landsmanshaftn >from Gorodishche, Ukr.
[49o 17'/31o27'] ?"
I do not know of any such plot; however, a number of people from
Gorodishche, Kiev Gubernia, Ukraine were buried in the plot of the First
Kremenchug Associoation in Mt. Zion Cemetery, Maspeth, NY. My grandparents
and others >from my mother's family who arrived here >from Gorodishche in the
latter part of the 19th century are buried there. Apparently they did not
belong to any Gorodishche _landsmanshaft_, but rather to the one from
Kremenchug, a town not far >from Gorodishche.

Arthur S. Abramson
Mansfield, Connecticut, U.S.A., abramson@...


Moses Montifore in Hoboken #general

A. E. Jordan
 

I just learned that my ggf was one of the founders of Moses Montifore of
Hoboken, New Jersey. I tried to find a listing on the itnernet for this
temple but it appears to have closed? Anyone ever heard of it - know it,
etc????

Thanks in advance for your help or suggestions on how to find information on
it.

Allan Jordan
aejordan@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Gorodishchers Burials #general

Arthur S. Abramson <abramson@...>
 

Lois Sernoff (jewishgen digest: October 05, 1998) has asked, "Does
anyone know of any NY cemetery(s) with ground dedicated
to members of a NY landsmanshaftn >from Gorodishche, Ukr.
[49o 17'/31o27'] ?"
I do not know of any such plot; however, a number of people from
Gorodishche, Kiev Gubernia, Ukraine were buried in the plot of the First
Kremenchug Associoation in Mt. Zion Cemetery, Maspeth, NY. My grandparents
and others >from my mother's family who arrived here >from Gorodishche in the
latter part of the 19th century are buried there. Apparently they did not
belong to any Gorodishche _landsmanshaft_, but rather to the one from
Kremenchug, a town not far >from Gorodishche.

Arthur S. Abramson
Mansfield, Connecticut, U.S.A., abramson@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Moses Montifore in Hoboken #general

A. E. Jordan
 

I just learned that my ggf was one of the founders of Moses Montifore of
Hoboken, New Jersey. I tried to find a listing on the itnernet for this
temple but it appears to have closed? Anyone ever heard of it - know it,
etc????

Thanks in advance for your help or suggestions on how to find information on
it.

Allan Jordan
aejordan@...