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Re: Town of Karosgw #general

Alexander Sharon <sharon@...>
 

R. Naidia Mosher wrote:
The ShtetleSeeker gave me 39 near-matches for Karosgw, the town of
origin in Poland of my maternal g.f. ISRAEL DROZDASH. I've listed
below the names which, to me, at least, come closest to Karosgw. BTW,
I looked in my atlas and the only Karosgw I could find in the world
was in Tasmania! Is it possible that former residents of Karosgw
emigrated there? And why go to Tasmania? I find it very perplexing.

The distance/direction >from Warsaw vary >from 58 miles (Kierzkow); 64
miles (Kraszkow); 69 miles (Gorzechowo); and 74 miles (Chrzachow) to
as much as 265 miles (yet another Kierzkow). Since my g.f. told his
children he came >from "somewhere near Warsaw" I assume his shtetl would
have been within 50 miles of Warsaw (that was a very long way in those
days), but who knows!!!
snip
Krasko'w and Kuraszko'w sound like a closest to Karosgw phonetically sounding
names, but again, this is only an educated guess.

Why don't start >from the other end, to begin with a writing to Warsaw
Archives Records, searching for the family name in Warsaw's vicinity.
Perphaps they will manage to match the name to the shtetl.

Alexander Sharon


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Town of Karosgw #general

Alexander Sharon <sharon@...>
 

R. Naidia Mosher wrote:
The ShtetleSeeker gave me 39 near-matches for Karosgw, the town of
origin in Poland of my maternal g.f. ISRAEL DROZDASH. I've listed
below the names which, to me, at least, come closest to Karosgw. BTW,
I looked in my atlas and the only Karosgw I could find in the world
was in Tasmania! Is it possible that former residents of Karosgw
emigrated there? And why go to Tasmania? I find it very perplexing.

The distance/direction >from Warsaw vary >from 58 miles (Kierzkow); 64
miles (Kraszkow); 69 miles (Gorzechowo); and 74 miles (Chrzachow) to
as much as 265 miles (yet another Kierzkow). Since my g.f. told his
children he came >from "somewhere near Warsaw" I assume his shtetl would
have been within 50 miles of Warsaw (that was a very long way in those
days), but who knows!!!
snip
Krasko'w and Kuraszko'w sound like a closest to Karosgw phonetically sounding
names, but again, this is only an educated guess.

Why don't start >from the other end, to begin with a writing to Warsaw
Archives Records, searching for the family name in Warsaw's vicinity.
Perphaps they will manage to match the name to the shtetl.

Alexander Sharon


Re: access to LDS films in Israel #belarus

Michael Tobias <Michael@...>
 

In message <LYR2-23660-1998.10.21-15.34.04--michael#mtobias.demon.co.uk@
lyris.jewishgen.org>, Carol Skydell <skydell@vineyard.net> writes
Al Cohen asks about access to LDS films in Israel

To the best of my knowledge, there is no facility there. That's
why those of us who have access try to help our Israeli
"cousins" as much as possible and often do exchange research.

Carol Skydell
Chilmark, MA
The Douglas E. Goldman Jewish Genealogy Centre in Israel, formerly known
as DOROT may have some films.

I know that they have around half of the LDS Polish microfilm
collection. I am not sure if they have any microfilms of Belarus data.

A full list of the Polish data they have can be found on the JRI-Poland
web site:

http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/

following the link to:

LDS Polish-Jewish Microfilms
--
Michael Tobias


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: access to LDS films in Israel #belarus

Michael Tobias <Michael@...>
 

In message <LYR2-23660-1998.10.21-15.34.04--michael#mtobias.demon.co.uk@
lyris.jewishgen.org>, Carol Skydell <skydell@vineyard.net> writes
Al Cohen asks about access to LDS films in Israel

To the best of my knowledge, there is no facility there. That's
why those of us who have access try to help our Israeli
"cousins" as much as possible and often do exchange research.

Carol Skydell
Chilmark, MA
The Douglas E. Goldman Jewish Genealogy Centre in Israel, formerly known
as DOROT may have some films.

I know that they have around half of the LDS Polish microfilm
collection. I am not sure if they have any microfilms of Belarus data.

A full list of the Polish data they have can be found on the JRI-Poland
web site:

http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/

following the link to:

LDS Polish-Jewish Microfilms
--
Michael Tobias


Re: Change of names 1938 #general

Alexander Sharon <sharon@...>
 

Jeff Malka malkajef@orthohelp.com wrote:

An email correspondant asked me for the following information. >>>snip

On august 17, 1938 a law concerning the change in family names was passed
in Nazi Germany in which any Jewish person who didn't bear a first name
other than those classified as "jewish" under the ministry of the
interior's guidlines was forced to adopt an additional "jewish" name.
There was one for females and a differant one for males. What were those
imposed names?
Name Israel for the male and Sara for female has been added as a
second name to all Jewish people.
Alexander Sharon


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Change of names 1938 #general

Alexander Sharon <sharon@...>
 

Jeff Malka malkajef@orthohelp.com wrote:

An email correspondant asked me for the following information. >>>snip

On august 17, 1938 a law concerning the change in family names was passed
in Nazi Germany in which any Jewish person who didn't bear a first name
other than those classified as "jewish" under the ministry of the
interior's guidlines was forced to adopt an additional "jewish" name.
There was one for females and a differant one for males. What were those
imposed names?
Name Israel for the male and Sara for female has been added as a
second name to all Jewish people.
Alexander Sharon


Re: Dokszyce Cemetery #belarus

LOGAN M LOCKABEY <LOGANISJUDD@...>
 

Re: Dokszyce

This is the first time I have seen a mention of Dokszyce (Dokshitze) in the
Belarus postings. I am researching several surnames in Dokszyce including:
GREENBLATT, SLAVIN, AZMIER, LEVITAN, DUBINSKY. I welcome any input on these
surnames.

Logan Lockabey
loganisjudd@prodigy.net
-

Harold Pollins Wrote:

I understand a distant relation of mine was buried last week in Dokszyce
(sc. Dokshitsy) Cemetery, Queen's, New York City. I have looked at the
Cemetery Database but cannot find it there. Does it have a different name?




Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Dokszyce Cemetery #belarus

LOGAN M LOCKABEY <LOGANISJUDD@...>
 

Re: Dokszyce

This is the first time I have seen a mention of Dokszyce (Dokshitze) in the
Belarus postings. I am researching several surnames in Dokszyce including:
GREENBLATT, SLAVIN, AZMIER, LEVITAN, DUBINSKY. I welcome any input on these
surnames.

Logan Lockabey
loganisjudd@prodigy.net
-

Harold Pollins Wrote:

I understand a distant relation of mine was buried last week in Dokszyce
(sc. Dokshitsy) Cemetery, Queen's, New York City. I have looked at the
Cemetery Database but cannot find it there. Does it have a different name?




Amzalak #general

Inacio Steinhardt <inacio@...>
 

I don't know who started this item, but there were Amzalak's in
Jerusalem and Jaffa. One Amzalak was British consul in Jerusalem. They
were also involved in the construction of the first railway in
Palestine.

There were (and still are) Amzalak's in Portugal. The late Prof. Moses
bensabat Amzalak was president of the Lisbon Jewish community for many
years. If interested I have some information about this branch, which,
by the way is related to the Amzalak's of Jerusalem. To the same branch
belongs Jack Amir, once mayor of Beer-Sheva.

Inacio Steinhardt
inacio@cheerful.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Amzalak #general

Inacio Steinhardt <inacio@...>
 

I don't know who started this item, but there were Amzalak's in
Jerusalem and Jaffa. One Amzalak was British consul in Jerusalem. They
were also involved in the construction of the first railway in
Palestine.

There were (and still are) Amzalak's in Portugal. The late Prof. Moses
bensabat Amzalak was president of the Lisbon Jewish community for many
years. If interested I have some information about this branch, which,
by the way is related to the Amzalak's of Jerusalem. To the same branch
belongs Jack Amir, once mayor of Beer-Sheva.

Inacio Steinhardt
inacio@cheerful.com


Re: 7,000 Dormant Vienna Bank Accounts #general

Adelle Gloger
 

Dear JewishGenners,

On Oct. 22,1998 Randol Schoenberg posted the message copied below; and
the Moderator replied that it took 20 minutes to download a single
alphabetical report.
People do not be discouraged. Perhaps the moderator tried at a busy
time because when I tried it took only a matter of seconds to download a
list after clicking a letter. I checked about 5 different lists in a
matter of less than 5 minutes. I found a name that may have possibilities,
but need to check further.
The site is in both German and English on the same page. When you get
there is you see German, just scan down the page and the English will be
there.

Adelle Gloger
Shaker Hts.,Ohio
agloger@aol.com

Take a look at http://www.psk.co.at/report/index.html for a list of 7,000
dormant "Postsparkasse" bank accounts!
Randol Schoenberg

MODERATOR NOTE: Please note that this is not an interactive
searchable database, but one that prints out long lists of
names. When we tested it, it took 20 minutes to download a
single alphabetical report
-----

MODERATOR NOTE: As we all know >from experience,
cyberspace is not a perfect place"


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: 7,000 Dormant Vienna Bank Accounts #general

Adelle Gloger
 

Dear JewishGenners,

On Oct. 22,1998 Randol Schoenberg posted the message copied below; and
the Moderator replied that it took 20 minutes to download a single
alphabetical report.
People do not be discouraged. Perhaps the moderator tried at a busy
time because when I tried it took only a matter of seconds to download a
list after clicking a letter. I checked about 5 different lists in a
matter of less than 5 minutes. I found a name that may have possibilities,
but need to check further.
The site is in both German and English on the same page. When you get
there is you see German, just scan down the page and the English will be
there.

Adelle Gloger
Shaker Hts.,Ohio
agloger@aol.com

Take a look at http://www.psk.co.at/report/index.html for a list of 7,000
dormant "Postsparkasse" bank accounts!
Randol Schoenberg

MODERATOR NOTE: Please note that this is not an interactive
searchable database, but one that prints out long lists of
names. When we tested it, it took 20 minutes to download a
single alphabetical report
-----

MODERATOR NOTE: As we all know >from experience,
cyberspace is not a perfect place"


Searching for HOSENSTEIN, ROSENSTEIN, SHIFREN, MILLMAN AND BARISH #general

The Kahn Family <palco1@...>
 

I am searching for information about a Jewish physician HOSENSTEIN from
the Netherlands who went to Russia around 1822 or 1842 to help with an
outbreak of Diptheria. We know he married a woman >from Lyubar and the
family name was changed to ROSENSTEIN. Also, seeking information about
BARISH >from Lyubar, SHIFREN >from Borisov, MILLMAN >from Zhitomir. Any
help would be appreciated.

-Richie Kahn


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching for HOSENSTEIN, ROSENSTEIN, SHIFREN, MILLMAN AND BARISH #general

The Kahn Family <palco1@...>
 

I am searching for information about a Jewish physician HOSENSTEIN from
the Netherlands who went to Russia around 1822 or 1842 to help with an
outbreak of Diptheria. We know he married a woman >from Lyubar and the
family name was changed to ROSENSTEIN. Also, seeking information about
BARISH >from Lyubar, SHIFREN >from Borisov, MILLMAN >from Zhitomir. Any
help would be appreciated.

-Richie Kahn


London: TEUTSCH / LILIENTHAL Family #general

Luiz Alfredo Lilienthal <lilienth@...>
 

My grandfather, Karl LILIENTHAL (b. in Koln, 1893) had an older sister
named Else LILIENTHAL, also born in Koln (but I don't know when). They
were children of Moses and Juliette (Julie) LILIENTHAL. Else married
Karl TEUTSCH (about whom I know absolutely nothing) and had one
daughter, Annelise TEUTSCH. They moved to London around 1936. Karl
TEUTSCH died before Else and Annelise moved to London, probably in
Koln.. Else died in London, in 1973. Annelise was mentally ill, never
married and died some years (5-8) before her mother. Both were cremated,
in accordance with their wishes.
Else's death was communicated to us through a close friend of hers, Mr.
ERLE (a German gentleman living in London, whose given name is/was
probably Fritz).
Any help, ideas or tips of how to research this family will be greatly
appreciated.

Luiz Lilienthal
Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen London: TEUTSCH / LILIENTHAL Family #general

Luiz Alfredo Lilienthal <lilienth@...>
 

My grandfather, Karl LILIENTHAL (b. in Koln, 1893) had an older sister
named Else LILIENTHAL, also born in Koln (but I don't know when). They
were children of Moses and Juliette (Julie) LILIENTHAL. Else married
Karl TEUTSCH (about whom I know absolutely nothing) and had one
daughter, Annelise TEUTSCH. They moved to London around 1936. Karl
TEUTSCH died before Else and Annelise moved to London, probably in
Koln.. Else died in London, in 1973. Annelise was mentally ill, never
married and died some years (5-8) before her mother. Both were cremated,
in accordance with their wishes.
Else's death was communicated to us through a close friend of hers, Mr.
ERLE (a German gentleman living in London, whose given name is/was
probably Fritz).
Any help, ideas or tips of how to research this family will be greatly
appreciated.

Luiz Lilienthal
Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil


Re: Inaccuracies in Jewish registers #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 98-10-17 00:55:49 EDT, martha@bgumail.bgu.ac.il writes:

<< More recently, when I lived in the USA, the census takers came around and
took information for the census. My next door neighbor thought she was
being very cute by lying about her age and making herself ten years
younger. When I asked her about it, she said that her mother had always
insisted that one never tell the authorities the truth about personal
statistics. So there you have it: some facts just become jumbled and some
are caused willfully!

Caveat emptor!
>>

==I just speant a very pleasant and very productive day at the National
Archives in Jerusalem with the poster of the above, Martha Lev-Zion, a fourth
cousin whom I discovered through Jewish Gen--and I can verify much of what
Martha says. We went through the records of the Bernet and Himmelreich
families in the registers of another German village, Frensdorf, and found many
seeming errors in dates and in facts. Spellings, whether in German, in
Hebrew, or in Judeo-German (written in Hebrew letters), were often hilarious
and rarely consistent--even in the second half of the 19th century, and some
of the scribes tended to confuse Hebrew letters such as Chet and Tav, Dalet
and Resh, though they appeared skilled in roccoco flourishes in cursive Hebrew
and in square letters.

II heard a joke many years ago about a Jewish family in Czarist Russia,
debating whether they should register their son as being five years older--so
that he could legally marry at an early age, or as five years younger so that
he would be too young to be conscripted into the army. They go to consult
with the rabbi and after much pondering he suggests that they register him by
the correct date. The parents slap their foreheads: "Wow! I'd never thought
of that."

Michael Bernet

seeking:

BERNET, BERNAT, BAERNET etc >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg, (Bavaria)
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF(F): Frankfurt, Wurzburg, Furth, Yugoslavia, Westchester
WOLF, Sali & Rachel, Rotterdam, murdered by Dr. Petiot, Paris ca 1942
WEIL[L], Albert, Fr. hon. consul in Nurnberg; returned to France 1936/7.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Inaccuracies in Jewish registers #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 98-10-17 00:55:49 EDT, martha@bgumail.bgu.ac.il writes:

<< More recently, when I lived in the USA, the census takers came around and
took information for the census. My next door neighbor thought she was
being very cute by lying about her age and making herself ten years
younger. When I asked her about it, she said that her mother had always
insisted that one never tell the authorities the truth about personal
statistics. So there you have it: some facts just become jumbled and some
are caused willfully!

Caveat emptor!
>>

==I just speant a very pleasant and very productive day at the National
Archives in Jerusalem with the poster of the above, Martha Lev-Zion, a fourth
cousin whom I discovered through Jewish Gen--and I can verify much of what
Martha says. We went through the records of the Bernet and Himmelreich
families in the registers of another German village, Frensdorf, and found many
seeming errors in dates and in facts. Spellings, whether in German, in
Hebrew, or in Judeo-German (written in Hebrew letters), were often hilarious
and rarely consistent--even in the second half of the 19th century, and some
of the scribes tended to confuse Hebrew letters such as Chet and Tav, Dalet
and Resh, though they appeared skilled in roccoco flourishes in cursive Hebrew
and in square letters.

II heard a joke many years ago about a Jewish family in Czarist Russia,
debating whether they should register their son as being five years older--so
that he could legally marry at an early age, or as five years younger so that
he would be too young to be conscripted into the army. They go to consult
with the rabbi and after much pondering he suggests that they register him by
the correct date. The parents slap their foreheads: "Wow! I'd never thought
of that."

Michael Bernet

seeking:

BERNET, BERNAT, BAERNET etc >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg, (Bavaria)
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF(F): Frankfurt, Wurzburg, Furth, Yugoslavia, Westchester
WOLF, Sali & Rachel, Rotterdam, murdered by Dr. Petiot, Paris ca 1942
WEIL[L], Albert, Fr. hon. consul in Nurnberg; returned to France 1936/7.


Town of Karosgw #general

R. Naidia Mosher <RNMOSHER@...>
 

Dear Jewgenners,

The ShtetleSeeker gave me 39 near-matches for Karosgw, the town of
origin in Poland of my maternal g.f. ISRAEL DROZDASH. I've listed
below the names which, to me, at least, come closest to Karosgw. BTW,
I looked in my atlas and the only Karosgw I could find in the world
was in Tasmania! Is it possible that former residents of Karosgw
emigrated there? And why go to Tasmania? I find it very perplexing.

The distance/direction >from Warsaw vary >from 58 miles (Kierzkow); 64
miles (Kraszkow); 69 miles (Gorzechowo); and 74 miles (Chrzachow) to
as much as 265 miles (yet another Kierzkow). Since my g.f. told his
children he came >from "somewhere near Warsaw" I assume his shtetl would
have been within 50 miles of Warsaw (that was a very long way in those
days), but who knows!!!

Charzykowy Chrzachow, Gorzakiew, Gorzechowo, Gorzkow, Gorzuchow, Gorzykow
or, Groskowa, Hryckowe, Kierzkow, Korczycow, Korzkiew, Kraczkow, Kraskow,
Kreczkow, Krzykawa, Kuraszkow (and several variants of some).

Does anyone know which, if any of the above names might be transliterated
as Karosgw? I'd appreciate any advice I can get.

Naidia Mosher
rnmosher@compuserve.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Town of Karosgw #general

R. Naidia Mosher <RNMOSHER@...>
 

Dear Jewgenners,

The ShtetleSeeker gave me 39 near-matches for Karosgw, the town of
origin in Poland of my maternal g.f. ISRAEL DROZDASH. I've listed
below the names which, to me, at least, come closest to Karosgw. BTW,
I looked in my atlas and the only Karosgw I could find in the world
was in Tasmania! Is it possible that former residents of Karosgw
emigrated there? And why go to Tasmania? I find it very perplexing.

The distance/direction >from Warsaw vary >from 58 miles (Kierzkow); 64
miles (Kraszkow); 69 miles (Gorzechowo); and 74 miles (Chrzachow) to
as much as 265 miles (yet another Kierzkow). Since my g.f. told his
children he came >from "somewhere near Warsaw" I assume his shtetl would
have been within 50 miles of Warsaw (that was a very long way in those
days), but who knows!!!

Charzykowy Chrzachow, Gorzakiew, Gorzechowo, Gorzkow, Gorzuchow, Gorzykow
or, Groskowa, Hryckowe, Kierzkow, Korczycow, Korzkiew, Kraczkow, Kraskow,
Kreczkow, Krzykawa, Kuraszkow (and several variants of some).

Does anyone know which, if any of the above names might be transliterated
as Karosgw? I'd appreciate any advice I can get.

Naidia Mosher
rnmosher@compuserve.com