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Re: Gravestone Name YDYDYH? #general

MBernet@...
 

<< Yesterday, I visited the grave of a relative and found the
name on the stone to be "Yakov ben YDYDYH
(yud,daled,yud,daled,yud,heh) halevi". Has anyone ever heard
of such a name or nickname?>>

The name is Yedidyah, a fairly common name, quite likely biblical.

Yedid is friend; Yah is God = Friend of God. Germanizations are
Gottfreund, Gottlieb etc. The Lieber name likely arose >from a desire not
to mention God's name in vain. I assume that the name Freund may have a
similar origin at times.

Michael Bernet, New York
*****************************
seeking:

BERNET, BERNAT, BAERNET etc >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg, (Bavaria)
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth (S. Germany)
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF(F): Frankfurt, Wurzburg, Furth, Yugoslavia, Westchester


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Gravestone Name YDYDYH? #general

MBernet@...
 

<< Yesterday, I visited the grave of a relative and found the
name on the stone to be "Yakov ben YDYDYH
(yud,daled,yud,daled,yud,heh) halevi". Has anyone ever heard
of such a name or nickname?>>

The name is Yedidyah, a fairly common name, quite likely biblical.

Yedid is friend; Yah is God = Friend of God. Germanizations are
Gottfreund, Gottlieb etc. The Lieber name likely arose >from a desire not
to mention God's name in vain. I assume that the name Freund may have a
similar origin at times.

Michael Bernet, New York
*****************************
seeking:

BERNET, BERNAT, BAERNET etc >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg, (Bavaria)
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth (S. Germany)
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF(F): Frankfurt, Wurzburg, Furth, Yugoslavia, Westchester


Social Security Success! #general

A. E. Jordan
 

Just this week I posted a message asking how long I should expect it to
take to get a request -- tonight I got my answer.

I sent my request for 4 different forms with a chech using my own letter
without the demaning sentance on August 2 and in tonight's mail -- November
6th -- I got the forms. The letter enclosed has a sentance saying "I
regret the delay in getting these copies to you." By the way the
information is pretty slim on the forms but they are still nice to have.

Allan Jordan
aejordan@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Social Security Success! #general

A. E. Jordan
 

Just this week I posted a message asking how long I should expect it to
take to get a request -- tonight I got my answer.

I sent my request for 4 different forms with a chech using my own letter
without the demaning sentance on August 2 and in tonight's mail -- November
6th -- I got the forms. The letter enclosed has a sentance saying "I
regret the delay in getting these copies to you." By the way the
information is pretty slim on the forms but they are still nice to have.

Allan Jordan
aejordan@aol.com


Re. Soc. Sec #general

D. Abrams <dabrams1@...>
 

Hi-

I have had several experiences sending one check to cover multiple requests
for SS applications when I am providing the numbers and never had a problem
or noticed any unusual delay. The most I ever requested in this manner was
four or five, a rather arbitrary self-imposed limit.

I have never enclosed any SASEs and all responses came together in one
envelope.

I don't know what would happen if you weren't providing the numbers. Then
a single "problem" search might delay your getting responses to the others
requested at the same time. I don't know if providing individual SASEs
would help in this situation.

Good luck-
Dena Abrams
Merrick, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re. Soc. Sec #general

D. Abrams <dabrams1@...>
 

Hi-

I have had several experiences sending one check to cover multiple requests
for SS applications when I am providing the numbers and never had a problem
or noticed any unusual delay. The most I ever requested in this manner was
four or five, a rather arbitrary self-imposed limit.

I have never enclosed any SASEs and all responses came together in one
envelope.

I don't know what would happen if you weren't providing the numbers. Then
a single "problem" search might delay your getting responses to the others
requested at the same time. I don't know if providing individual SASEs
would help in this situation.

Good luck-
Dena Abrams
Merrick, NY


Re: Writing Poland for Records #general

JLowenkron@...
 

You don't have to write in Polish, tho they'll answer you in Polish, so
you'll need a translator here...it's a long process, several months >from
the time you send your request in to them til you get an answer, and you
must send some money to be deposited in the Archives Bank Account...I
sent $75, which was too much...I think $40 would be a safe amount..they
charge $20/hour of research....Do you think your records would be likely
to be in Warsaw? Mine were, although my ancestor's home was in
Derewnia, which is now in the Ukraine...you might try writing to the
Warsaw archives without sending money, just to ask them if they have
access to Jewish records >from Nowy Sachs, and if not, which Archives
would/ Write to Dr Violetta Urbaniak, Archiwum Glowne Akt Dawnych, Ul.
DLuga 7, 00-263 Warszawa Poland...You can also ask RAGAS, Box 236, Glen
Echo, MD 20812 how much they would charge to do a search for you;
obviously it would be more expensive. For free, you can try the
Zydowski Instytut Historyczny 00-090 Warszwawa, ul. Tlomackie 3/3,
Warsaw Poland...that's a Jewish Group that's very kind and helpful...let
me know how it works out..I also have an address for the Lviv archives
but I don't know if your area's records would be there.

Jane L. Foss,
NYC


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Writing Poland for Records #general

JLowenkron@...
 

You don't have to write in Polish, tho they'll answer you in Polish, so
you'll need a translator here...it's a long process, several months >from
the time you send your request in to them til you get an answer, and you
must send some money to be deposited in the Archives Bank Account...I
sent $75, which was too much...I think $40 would be a safe amount..they
charge $20/hour of research....Do you think your records would be likely
to be in Warsaw? Mine were, although my ancestor's home was in
Derewnia, which is now in the Ukraine...you might try writing to the
Warsaw archives without sending money, just to ask them if they have
access to Jewish records >from Nowy Sachs, and if not, which Archives
would/ Write to Dr Violetta Urbaniak, Archiwum Glowne Akt Dawnych, Ul.
DLuga 7, 00-263 Warszawa Poland...You can also ask RAGAS, Box 236, Glen
Echo, MD 20812 how much they would charge to do a search for you;
obviously it would be more expensive. For free, you can try the
Zydowski Instytut Historyczny 00-090 Warszwawa, ul. Tlomackie 3/3,
Warsaw Poland...that's a Jewish Group that's very kind and helpful...let
me know how it works out..I also have an address for the Lviv archives
but I don't know if your area's records would be there.

Jane L. Foss,
NYC


Re: trip to Grodno #general

YuriShch1@...
 

Hi everybody!

My name is Yuri Shcherbina, I'm a Jew who was living in Grodno
for 25 years, and having left there only two years ago. BTW, my
parents still live there.

It was very exciting to hear about the Eric's trip to Grodno,
and it brought back so many memories. I'm very grateful to Eric
for this message.

There are just a few things that I would like to express my
opinion about, which I think were incorrect and which I can explain.

Here are some notes re this exiting letter:

I also requested an "express" single-entry visa, which they
processed in less than an hour but which cost me DM 200
(about $120). Normal visa processing time takes longer
(depending on type of visa) and costs less.
I'm not sure it really costs less. The American Embassies in
Moscow, Minsk and Vilnius charge $150 for a single-entry visa
issuing to Belorussian citizens. When somebody is brave enough
to ask them why it is so expensive, they usually say that the
price is absolutely equal to the price that Belorussian Embassy
charges for American citizens applying for the same type of the
visa.

There is no direct train >from Minsk to Grodno, so
the best option is taking a train >from Poland.
This is incorrect, as there are at least four direct trains
from Minsk to Grodno. There is also a direct bus route connecting
these towns. It takes about five hours to get in Grodno by a bus.
The train >from Poland is more expensive and takes longer.

rent a car in Belarus.
This is correct. It is impossible.

It supposedly has records of births, deaths, and maybe
marriages after about 1900.
They usually keep documents that have been issued during
the last 80 years. But, of course, with some exceptions.

(she was not allowed to tell me exactly).
She was allowed to tell you. She just did not know.

She explained that a person at another archive named Kornashova
or something had recently been fired for giving out too much
information (and too freely), possibly to people >from Israel.
Because of this, she was very formal with me.
Not because of this: 100 bucks cash would probably have made
her very friendly. That is exactly what people there call
"Russian business."

The Synagogue. The main synagogue in Grodno is a very important
building, built in the 16th century, I believe.
At the end of the 15 century.

There were once something like 37 synagogues in the city.
Forty-five synagogues, based on the Grodno Directory published
before W.W.I.

a Jew named Yuri Chaimovich Boyarsky staked responsibility
for the project. He has not, however, made satisfactory progress
on the project. At the very least, he is a poor manager /
fundraiser / restorer. All the people I spoke to in Grodno,
both Jews and non-Jews, called him a liar...
This is a very sad story. I knew him as a very nice, friendly
and honest person. I don't believe he really was involved in this
"shakher--makher". I remember him working hard on the restoration
of the Synagogue and Jewish Community in Grodno. He is a very old
man, he does not have children, what could be his reason for
corruption? At his age people usually think about their coming
visit to G-d, not about money...

A very important person in the community is named Grischa Chosid
The more appropriate spelling would be Grisha (Grigoriy) Hasid.
He is son of Nisel.

doing 18 km/h over the speed limit of 60 km/h
The speed limit in out-city-zone is 90 km/h, sometimes 100.
No idea why Eric got the ticket if it happened out of city.

Minsk was largely built after World War II,
Both, Minsk and Grodno are very old towns: Grodno is about
900 years old, Minsk is about 700. But unlike Grodno, Minsk
was completely ruined during the W.W.II, that's why it looks
like a modern city.

Much of the Grodno ghetto is either preserved or being renovated
Thanks to Yuri Boyarsky, who people seemed to be speaking badly about.

One dominate feature in the city is Lenin Square, a large open
area with a huge statue of Lenin, the base of which is rumored
to be built >from gravestones >from the old main Jewish cemetery
where the stadium now stands.
The mentioned statue is pretty new, built about 10 years ago.
But the old one really was standing on the pedestal made of the
old Jewish gravestones.


Very sincerely,
Yuri Shcherbina,
LA, CA
YuriShch1@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: trip to Grodno #general

YuriShch1@...
 

Hi everybody!

My name is Yuri Shcherbina, I'm a Jew who was living in Grodno
for 25 years, and having left there only two years ago. BTW, my
parents still live there.

It was very exciting to hear about the Eric's trip to Grodno,
and it brought back so many memories. I'm very grateful to Eric
for this message.

There are just a few things that I would like to express my
opinion about, which I think were incorrect and which I can explain.

Here are some notes re this exiting letter:

I also requested an "express" single-entry visa, which they
processed in less than an hour but which cost me DM 200
(about $120). Normal visa processing time takes longer
(depending on type of visa) and costs less.
I'm not sure it really costs less. The American Embassies in
Moscow, Minsk and Vilnius charge $150 for a single-entry visa
issuing to Belorussian citizens. When somebody is brave enough
to ask them why it is so expensive, they usually say that the
price is absolutely equal to the price that Belorussian Embassy
charges for American citizens applying for the same type of the
visa.

There is no direct train >from Minsk to Grodno, so
the best option is taking a train >from Poland.
This is incorrect, as there are at least four direct trains
from Minsk to Grodno. There is also a direct bus route connecting
these towns. It takes about five hours to get in Grodno by a bus.
The train >from Poland is more expensive and takes longer.

rent a car in Belarus.
This is correct. It is impossible.

It supposedly has records of births, deaths, and maybe
marriages after about 1900.
They usually keep documents that have been issued during
the last 80 years. But, of course, with some exceptions.

(she was not allowed to tell me exactly).
She was allowed to tell you. She just did not know.

She explained that a person at another archive named Kornashova
or something had recently been fired for giving out too much
information (and too freely), possibly to people >from Israel.
Because of this, she was very formal with me.
Not because of this: 100 bucks cash would probably have made
her very friendly. That is exactly what people there call
"Russian business."

The Synagogue. The main synagogue in Grodno is a very important
building, built in the 16th century, I believe.
At the end of the 15 century.

There were once something like 37 synagogues in the city.
Forty-five synagogues, based on the Grodno Directory published
before W.W.I.

a Jew named Yuri Chaimovich Boyarsky staked responsibility
for the project. He has not, however, made satisfactory progress
on the project. At the very least, he is a poor manager /
fundraiser / restorer. All the people I spoke to in Grodno,
both Jews and non-Jews, called him a liar...
This is a very sad story. I knew him as a very nice, friendly
and honest person. I don't believe he really was involved in this
"shakher--makher". I remember him working hard on the restoration
of the Synagogue and Jewish Community in Grodno. He is a very old
man, he does not have children, what could be his reason for
corruption? At his age people usually think about their coming
visit to G-d, not about money...

A very important person in the community is named Grischa Chosid
The more appropriate spelling would be Grisha (Grigoriy) Hasid.
He is son of Nisel.

doing 18 km/h over the speed limit of 60 km/h
The speed limit in out-city-zone is 90 km/h, sometimes 100.
No idea why Eric got the ticket if it happened out of city.

Minsk was largely built after World War II,
Both, Minsk and Grodno are very old towns: Grodno is about
900 years old, Minsk is about 700. But unlike Grodno, Minsk
was completely ruined during the W.W.II, that's why it looks
like a modern city.

Much of the Grodno ghetto is either preserved or being renovated
Thanks to Yuri Boyarsky, who people seemed to be speaking badly about.

One dominate feature in the city is Lenin Square, a large open
area with a huge statue of Lenin, the base of which is rumored
to be built >from gravestones >from the old main Jewish cemetery
where the stadium now stands.
The mentioned statue is pretty new, built about 10 years ago.
But the old one really was standing on the pedestal made of the
old Jewish gravestones.


Very sincerely,
Yuri Shcherbina,
LA, CA
YuriShch1@aol.com


November Meeting of JGSG, Inc. (Georgia) #general

Carole Feinberg <feincgs@...>
 

Who: Jewish Genealogical Society of Georgia, Inc.

What: November meeting

Speaker: Jane Splawn

Topic: "Using the U.S. Census"

Where: 4549 Chamblee Dunwoody Road, Atlanta, GA. The Atlanta Jewish
Federation Building, Jewish Educational Services Library

When: Monday, November 16, 1988, 7:30 p.m. Library opens 6:30 p.m. for
indivual research. Meetings are free and open to the public. Handouts
will be available. Y'all come, y'hear?

For additional information: 770-458-6664, <gmpalgon@aol.com>

Carole Feinberg
Atlanta, GA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen November Meeting of JGSG, Inc. (Georgia) #general

Carole Feinberg <feincgs@...>
 

Who: Jewish Genealogical Society of Georgia, Inc.

What: November meeting

Speaker: Jane Splawn

Topic: "Using the U.S. Census"

Where: 4549 Chamblee Dunwoody Road, Atlanta, GA. The Atlanta Jewish
Federation Building, Jewish Educational Services Library

When: Monday, November 16, 1988, 7:30 p.m. Library opens 6:30 p.m. for
indivual research. Meetings are free and open to the public. Handouts
will be available. Y'all come, y'hear?

For additional information: 770-458-6664, <gmpalgon@aol.com>

Carole Feinberg
Atlanta, GA


Triangle Shirtwaist Fire #general

Martha Lev-Zion <martha@...>
 

The people were so badly burned in the fire that a list of victims was
never accomplished. There were scores of women and girls who were never
identified.

Martha


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Triangle Shirtwaist Fire #general

Martha Lev-Zion <martha@...>
 

The people were so badly burned in the fire that a list of victims was
never accomplished. There were scores of women and girls who were never
identified.

Martha


Re: Israel death certificate #general

Adelle Gloger
 

On Nov.5,1998 Rob Weisskirch wrote:

I need to obtain a death
certificate for my great, great grandfather buried in Tel Aviv, Israel
in 1939.
To all JewishGenners,
During August 1998 I posted a message about securing an Israeli
Death Certificate. After e-mail correspondence with a Gov't office in
Israel (suggested by someone on JewishGen) I was told to contact the
Israeli Consulate nearest my home and was e-mailed addresses, phone #s,
e-mail addresses, etc for the Embassy in D.C. and all Consulates in the
USA. On August 19,1998 I posted the list here on JewishGen. It can be
found in the JewishGen Archives.
I contacted the nearest Consulate ( in my case in Philadelphia) by e-
mail. I was contacted by phone and was sent a form to request a copy
of the death cert. Since I procrastinate a lot, I have not yet followed
through.
Be advised that the form is entirely in Hebrew. The person I spoke
with at the Consulate in Philadelphia sent a blank form and one where
she indicated in English what went where.
Again, the JewishGen Archives holds a wealth of information.
Hope this helps.


Adelle Gloger
Shaker Hts., Ohio
agloger@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Israel death certificate #general

Adelle Gloger
 

On Nov.5,1998 Rob Weisskirch wrote:

I need to obtain a death
certificate for my great, great grandfather buried in Tel Aviv, Israel
in 1939.
To all JewishGenners,
During August 1998 I posted a message about securing an Israeli
Death Certificate. After e-mail correspondence with a Gov't office in
Israel (suggested by someone on JewishGen) I was told to contact the
Israeli Consulate nearest my home and was e-mailed addresses, phone #s,
e-mail addresses, etc for the Embassy in D.C. and all Consulates in the
USA. On August 19,1998 I posted the list here on JewishGen. It can be
found in the JewishGen Archives.
I contacted the nearest Consulate ( in my case in Philadelphia) by e-
mail. I was contacted by phone and was sent a form to request a copy
of the death cert. Since I procrastinate a lot, I have not yet followed
through.
Be advised that the form is entirely in Hebrew. The person I spoke
with at the Consulate in Philadelphia sent a blank form and one where
she indicated in English what went where.
Again, the JewishGen Archives holds a wealth of information.
Hope this helps.


Adelle Gloger
Shaker Hts., Ohio
agloger@aol.com


Tarnow Shtetl CO-OP Announcement #general

Howard J. Fink <how@...>
 

I am very pleased to announce that the second and third sets of extracts
from Tarnow are now available online through the JRI-PL website. These
records were transcribed by a volunteer at the Goldman Center in Israel
(Dorot) and then entered into the database by the Tarnow Shtetl
volunteers.

The second submission covers the Birth records >from late 1849 through
the end of 1857, consisting of about 2000 records >from LDS film
#0948420. Together with our first submission (Births 1863-1870) this
brings the number of Tarnow Birth extracts online to over 5000. Since
these records have no index there is no way to get this information
short of examining each record on the microfilms. I have also gone back
and made corrections and additions to the original submission.

Once again we entered all of the information, not merely the child's
name and record number. Additional data includes gender, names of
parents, midwife, witness, date and remarks. The remarks, many of which
were added later (some as late as the 1930's) include such things as
place of birth outside of Tarnow, date of death, name changes,
grandparent's names, adoptive parents, religious conversions, and in
some cases Polish Archive reference numbers. When searching the JRI-PL
website you will be rewarded with matches on surnames in the witness and
remarks fields in addition to matches on the child's surname.

Thanks are due to the Goldman Center and all of the Tarnow Shtetl
volunteers who performed data entry for this database: Eric Adler, Judie
Goldstein, Pat Jortner, Shmuel Kehati, Calvin Kitay, Henry Kornhauser,
Phil Rose, and Michael Trapunsky.

The third submission covers the Marriage records >from 1848 through 1870,
although the early years are very sparse. Slightly over 1000 records
were entered by two very dedicated volunteers, Eric Adler and Leonard
Schneider. These records were extracted >from LDS film #0948422. Again,
there is no index for these records. Additional data entered includes
age, town and parents for both the bride and groom, and the rabbi,
witnesses and location of the ceremony.

As always these entries should be used as references which you should
verify on your own, as some errors may have crept in during
transcription and data entry.

We are hard at work on completing a set of Death extracts and a Death
Index; look for them soon!

Howard Fink
how@kodak.com
Tarnow Shtetl Coordinator


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Tarnow Shtetl CO-OP Announcement #general

Howard J. Fink <how@...>
 

I am very pleased to announce that the second and third sets of extracts
from Tarnow are now available online through the JRI-PL website. These
records were transcribed by a volunteer at the Goldman Center in Israel
(Dorot) and then entered into the database by the Tarnow Shtetl
volunteers.

The second submission covers the Birth records >from late 1849 through
the end of 1857, consisting of about 2000 records >from LDS film
#0948420. Together with our first submission (Births 1863-1870) this
brings the number of Tarnow Birth extracts online to over 5000. Since
these records have no index there is no way to get this information
short of examining each record on the microfilms. I have also gone back
and made corrections and additions to the original submission.

Once again we entered all of the information, not merely the child's
name and record number. Additional data includes gender, names of
parents, midwife, witness, date and remarks. The remarks, many of which
were added later (some as late as the 1930's) include such things as
place of birth outside of Tarnow, date of death, name changes,
grandparent's names, adoptive parents, religious conversions, and in
some cases Polish Archive reference numbers. When searching the JRI-PL
website you will be rewarded with matches on surnames in the witness and
remarks fields in addition to matches on the child's surname.

Thanks are due to the Goldman Center and all of the Tarnow Shtetl
volunteers who performed data entry for this database: Eric Adler, Judie
Goldstein, Pat Jortner, Shmuel Kehati, Calvin Kitay, Henry Kornhauser,
Phil Rose, and Michael Trapunsky.

The third submission covers the Marriage records >from 1848 through 1870,
although the early years are very sparse. Slightly over 1000 records
were entered by two very dedicated volunteers, Eric Adler and Leonard
Schneider. These records were extracted >from LDS film #0948422. Again,
there is no index for these records. Additional data entered includes
age, town and parents for both the bride and groom, and the rabbi,
witnesses and location of the ceremony.

As always these entries should be used as references which you should
verify on your own, as some errors may have crept in during
transcription and data entry.

We are hard at work on completing a set of Death extracts and a Death
Index; look for them soon!

Howard Fink
how@kodak.com
Tarnow Shtetl Coordinator


Re: Sean FERGUSON story #general

Carol Skydell <skydell@...>
 

Alexander Sharon's story about Sean Ferguson and how he came
to the name has been a joke circulating since I was a little
girl, and that folks was a good long time ago! <grin>

Unfortunately it lends credence to the *myth* that names were
changed, or handed out by immigration officials at Ellis Island.

I know, I know "grandpa wouldn't lie"....but the fact of the
matter is, grandpa often did tell this fib....either he came in
under papers purchased >from someone else, or the name was
misunderstood by the official at the port of embarkation who
created the passenger manifest in the first place.

Sometimes it was easier for grandpa to blame it on immigration
officials at Ellis Island rather than explain some complicated
mishmash of how his name came to be different >from what expanded
research shows it to have been.

Carol Skydell
Chilmark MA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: Sean FERGUSON story #general

Carol Skydell <skydell@...>
 

Alexander Sharon's story about Sean Ferguson and how he came
to the name has been a joke circulating since I was a little
girl, and that folks was a good long time ago! <grin>

Unfortunately it lends credence to the *myth* that names were
changed, or handed out by immigration officials at Ellis Island.

I know, I know "grandpa wouldn't lie"....but the fact of the
matter is, grandpa often did tell this fib....either he came in
under papers purchased >from someone else, or the name was
misunderstood by the official at the port of embarkation who
created the passenger manifest in the first place.

Sometimes it was easier for grandpa to blame it on immigration
officials at Ellis Island rather than explain some complicated
mishmash of how his name came to be different >from what expanded
research shows it to have been.

Carol Skydell
Chilmark MA