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Hebrew name for women #lithuania

Morris Stillman <stillmm@...>
 

If your mother and father were RELIGIOUS Jews,
THEY COULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN MARRIED WITHOUT BOTH OF THEM
HAVING HEBREW NAMES. No rabbi could perform a wedding without
Hebrew names- the Hebrew names MUST appear on the Kesubah ( wedding contract )!
You may not know what your mother's Hebrew name was - but I assure you
that if her family were RELIGIOUS Jews, she was given
a Hebrew name when she was born.


Morris Stillman
Englewood, NJ


Subject: Re: Bat and Ben Discussion

From: Anita Berk <<anitab@starmail.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 98 09:35:09 -0700

I would like to add several more comments before this discussion closes:

1. My mother and father were born "Litvaks" in 1909 and 1906,
respectively. They came to America in 1939 and 1937. There were both
from religious families. My mother did NOT have a Hebrew name. Women
were not called to the Torah, and thus did not have Hebrew names.


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Hebrew name for women #lithuania

Morris Stillman <stillmm@...>
 

If your mother and father were RELIGIOUS Jews,
THEY COULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN MARRIED WITHOUT BOTH OF THEM
HAVING HEBREW NAMES. No rabbi could perform a wedding without
Hebrew names- the Hebrew names MUST appear on the Kesubah ( wedding contract )!
You may not know what your mother's Hebrew name was - but I assure you
that if her family were RELIGIOUS Jews, she was given
a Hebrew name when she was born.


Morris Stillman
Englewood, NJ


Subject: Re: Bat and Ben Discussion

From: Anita Berk <<anitab@starmail.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 98 09:35:09 -0700

I would like to add several more comments before this discussion closes:

1. My mother and father were born "Litvaks" in 1909 and 1906,
respectively. They came to America in 1939 and 1937. There were both
from religious families. My mother did NOT have a Hebrew name. Women
were not called to the Torah, and thus did not have Hebrew names.


More additions to the JRI-Poland database #poland

Kesher@...
 

Recently some more Tomaszow Mazowiecki data were added to the JRI-Poland
database. The Tomaszow Mazowiecki database total is now 5934 records! The
data that was added was the death records for 1872-75, 1877-82. These records
were for the records that were in Russian. If there is anyone out there also
researching Tomaszow Mazowiecki and would like to help fund for a professional
to tranliterate the Russian era indexes then please contact me.

Some more Warsaw records were also added to the database. The additions
represent records >from the early years, 1823-25. In the early years the
Jewish records were mixed with the Christian records. Warsaw was separated
into Cyrkuli (similar to districts). So far early year record extracts from
both Cyrkuli III and IV have been added to the database. If your family is
one of the old time Warsaw families then you will be very interested in these
records. The records give the street name and the plot number. I myself
have traced my family living at the same Warsaw address on Franciszkanska St
from as early as 1810 all the way till 1865. Some time next year I will begin
reviewing Cyrkuli VII.


Hadassah Lipsius
Kew Gardens Hills, NY
Shtetl CO-OP Coordinator for Tomaszow Mazowiecki and then some.


JRI Poland #Poland More additions to the JRI-Poland database #poland

Kesher@...
 

Recently some more Tomaszow Mazowiecki data were added to the JRI-Poland
database. The Tomaszow Mazowiecki database total is now 5934 records! The
data that was added was the death records for 1872-75, 1877-82. These records
were for the records that were in Russian. If there is anyone out there also
researching Tomaszow Mazowiecki and would like to help fund for a professional
to tranliterate the Russian era indexes then please contact me.

Some more Warsaw records were also added to the database. The additions
represent records >from the early years, 1823-25. In the early years the
Jewish records were mixed with the Christian records. Warsaw was separated
into Cyrkuli (similar to districts). So far early year record extracts from
both Cyrkuli III and IV have been added to the database. If your family is
one of the old time Warsaw families then you will be very interested in these
records. The records give the street name and the plot number. I myself
have traced my family living at the same Warsaw address on Franciszkanska St
from as early as 1810 all the way till 1865. Some time next year I will begin
reviewing Cyrkuli VII.


Hadassah Lipsius
Kew Gardens Hills, NY
Shtetl CO-OP Coordinator for Tomaszow Mazowiecki and then some.


Shtetl CO-OP Sochocin #poland

Kesher@...
 

Sochocin data has just been added to the JRI-Poland database. The data added
represents the years 1850-1859. I expect that the 1826-1849 should be live
pretty soon too!

Many thanks to Shtetl CO-OP leader Lawrence Blum.

Hadassah Lipsius
Transliteration Coordinator
JRI-Poland


JRI Poland #Poland Shtetl CO-OP Sochocin #poland

Kesher@...
 

Sochocin data has just been added to the JRI-Poland database. The data added
represents the years 1850-1859. I expect that the 1826-1849 should be live
pretty soon too!

Many thanks to Shtetl CO-OP leader Lawrence Blum.

Hadassah Lipsius
Transliteration Coordinator
JRI-Poland


Kravitz surname #belarus

David Kravitz <dkravitz@...>
 

I have received several requests >from other users about my background to
see if it matches with theirs. My family tree is registered with Dorot in
Tel Aviv (do they have an email address?), the FamilyTreeMaker and Jewishgen.

My greatgrandfather, Philip Kravitz, emigrated to England in 1891 with all
his family, >from Sislewich in Belarus, close to Minsk. I assume that both
his father, Abraham, and his grandfather, Emmanuel, were dead. I have a
complete family tree >from Philip downwards.

Philip had a sister, Bella Kravetz, who married Jacob Halprin and they had
three sons and two daughters. By 1934 Jacob had died and one son, Benjamin,
lived in London, England. Bella and her other children still lived in
Warsaw. At some time later, some or all had emigrated to the USA. Ben, born
1871, used to claim a relationship to Danny Kaye and had a picture of a
"Dina" in his apartment whom he called his niece. Hence my recent request
to locate Dina Kaye.

Ben had three daughters and one Edith (Ida) married Henry Lister and lived
in Enfield, Middlesex, England. They had a daughter called Josephine. Edith
was born around 1910. I have not been able to trace them at all and wonder
if they have emigrated.

If any of this matches any other genealogists, I would be grateful if they
made contact.

David Kravitz


Belarus SIG #Belarus Kravitz surname #belarus

David Kravitz <dkravitz@...>
 

I have received several requests >from other users about my background to
see if it matches with theirs. My family tree is registered with Dorot in
Tel Aviv (do they have an email address?), the FamilyTreeMaker and Jewishgen.

My greatgrandfather, Philip Kravitz, emigrated to England in 1891 with all
his family, >from Sislewich in Belarus, close to Minsk. I assume that both
his father, Abraham, and his grandfather, Emmanuel, were dead. I have a
complete family tree >from Philip downwards.

Philip had a sister, Bella Kravetz, who married Jacob Halprin and they had
three sons and two daughters. By 1934 Jacob had died and one son, Benjamin,
lived in London, England. Bella and her other children still lived in
Warsaw. At some time later, some or all had emigrated to the USA. Ben, born
1871, used to claim a relationship to Danny Kaye and had a picture of a
"Dina" in his apartment whom he called his niece. Hence my recent request
to locate Dina Kaye.

Ben had three daughters and one Edith (Ida) married Henry Lister and lived
in Enfield, Middlesex, England. They had a daughter called Josephine. Edith
was born around 1910. I have not been able to trace them at all and wonder
if they have emigrated.

If any of this matches any other genealogists, I would be grateful if they
made contact.

David Kravitz


Re: Minsk in Poland? #belarus

Corin Goodwin <corin@...>
 

Larry Gaum wrote:

Barbara Khait wrote:
My grandfather, born in Minsk Gubernia ca. 1869, referred
to his prior citizenship on his naturalization papers as "Polish."
If your grandfather was born in 1869, Minsk Guberniya was
under Russian Tzarist control. He was Russian, despite the
information he gave for his naturalization papers.The final
partition of Poland took place in 1795, and up until 1921,
Poland ceased to exist.
I believe many residents (and others) called it "Russian Poland", as did
my ancestors.

//Corin Barsily Goodwin
Cupertino, CA USA

BARSILA/BARZILY/BARZILOV -- Russia; Scotland; NYC
BASOK/BARSACH -- Orsha (Mogilev), Belarus; Scotland; NYC; Rhode Island
BRAUN -- Hungary; NYC ...WEISS -- Hungary; NYC; Middlesex, NJ
DU BOFF/MISTROFF -- Gorodische (Baronovich), Belarus; NYC & Long Island
KANEFSKY and RIVKIN -- Elizabetgrod, Ukraine; NYC
SIGAAR -- Amsterdam ...VAN SANTEN -- Amsterdam; NYC


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Minsk in Poland? #belarus

Corin Goodwin <corin@...>
 

Larry Gaum wrote:

Barbara Khait wrote:
My grandfather, born in Minsk Gubernia ca. 1869, referred
to his prior citizenship on his naturalization papers as "Polish."
If your grandfather was born in 1869, Minsk Guberniya was
under Russian Tzarist control. He was Russian, despite the
information he gave for his naturalization papers.The final
partition of Poland took place in 1795, and up until 1921,
Poland ceased to exist.
I believe many residents (and others) called it "Russian Poland", as did
my ancestors.

//Corin Barsily Goodwin
Cupertino, CA USA

BARSILA/BARZILY/BARZILOV -- Russia; Scotland; NYC
BASOK/BARSACH -- Orsha (Mogilev), Belarus; Scotland; NYC; Rhode Island
BRAUN -- Hungary; NYC ...WEISS -- Hungary; NYC; Middlesex, NJ
DU BOFF/MISTROFF -- Gorodische (Baronovich), Belarus; NYC & Long Island
KANEFSKY and RIVKIN -- Elizabetgrod, Ukraine; NYC
SIGAAR -- Amsterdam ...VAN SANTEN -- Amsterdam; NYC


Re: A Threatening Letter, A reasonable compromise #general

Carol Skydell <skydell@...>
 

A similar discussion was held in this forum when the Family Tree
of The Jewish People was first announced. Specifically related
to issues of privacy of people still alive, the discussion
brought out several points, not the least of which "You can't
re-write history"

That someone was the child of a named person, grew up and
married, and had their own family.. cannot be changed. It is a
fact. But given the sensitivity of some people about their
ages, JewishGen came up with what we all believe is a
reasonable compromise.

For people born within the last 100 years where no death date is
shown, dates of birth and marriage would be removed. No message
lines which would show source data, social security numbers,
phone numbers and street address would be included.

Thus, we maintained the integrity of family relationships
without invasion of privacy. This might be a reasonable
solution to the problem being discussed. As genealogists what
we are really interested in is family connections....so why not
just leave it at that and not upset anyone by reporting their
personal data which has no bearing on the genealogy of the
family in the first place?

Carol Skydell
Chilmark MA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: A Threatening Letter, A reasonable compromise #general

Carol Skydell <skydell@...>
 

A similar discussion was held in this forum when the Family Tree
of The Jewish People was first announced. Specifically related
to issues of privacy of people still alive, the discussion
brought out several points, not the least of which "You can't
re-write history"

That someone was the child of a named person, grew up and
married, and had their own family.. cannot be changed. It is a
fact. But given the sensitivity of some people about their
ages, JewishGen came up with what we all believe is a
reasonable compromise.

For people born within the last 100 years where no death date is
shown, dates of birth and marriage would be removed. No message
lines which would show source data, social security numbers,
phone numbers and street address would be included.

Thus, we maintained the integrity of family relationships
without invasion of privacy. This might be a reasonable
solution to the problem being discussed. As genealogists what
we are really interested in is family connections....so why not
just leave it at that and not upset anyone by reporting their
personal data which has no bearing on the genealogy of the
family in the first place?

Carol Skydell
Chilmark MA


Re: A Threatening Letter #general

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
 

I suggest that the family tree include name,
birthday, and city. I delete ex-spouses'
names if people ask me to. Other than
that, only one name has been formally
hidded >from the tree: that of a murderer
now in jail.

It is, agree, quite a dilemma for us
family-tree writers!

Dan Kazez


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: A Threatening Letter #general

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
 

I suggest that the family tree include name,
birthday, and city. I delete ex-spouses'
names if people ask me to. Other than
that, only one name has been formally
hidded >from the tree: that of a murderer
now in jail.

It is, agree, quite a dilemma for us
family-tree writers!

Dan Kazez


Re: h-sig digest: November 07, 1998 #hungary

Michael Hillinger <mhilling@...>
 

Subject: German names of Slovakia
From: melody gross <melody@gimby.save-net.co.il>
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 10:16:16 +0200
X-Message-Number: 1



And--what are Uniats, a religion?
Uniats (Uniates) aka Greek Catholics aka Eastern Rite Catholics are
Catholics who follow (Christian) Orthodox ritual and practices, but
acknowledge the authority of the Pope. In pre WWI Hungary, most Ruthenes
(Ukrainians) were Uniates, as were some Slovaks (mostly in Saros & Zemplen
counties), some Romanians (mostly in Northern Transylvania), and some
Magyars. Historically, the Uniate movement (which also has adherents in
Eastern Galicia) date >from the Catholic Counter-Reformation of the 16th &
17th centuries.

The pre WWI counties with especially large Jewish populations (Bereg, Ung &
Maramaros) also had large Uniate populations, mostly Ruthene.
Michael G. Hillinger
mhilling@shore.net


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: h-sig digest: November 07, 1998 #hungary

Michael Hillinger <mhilling@...>
 

Subject: German names of Slovakia
From: melody gross <melody@gimby.save-net.co.il>
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 10:16:16 +0200
X-Message-Number: 1



And--what are Uniats, a religion?
Uniats (Uniates) aka Greek Catholics aka Eastern Rite Catholics are
Catholics who follow (Christian) Orthodox ritual and practices, but
acknowledge the authority of the Pope. In pre WWI Hungary, most Ruthenes
(Ukrainians) were Uniates, as were some Slovaks (mostly in Saros & Zemplen
counties), some Romanians (mostly in Northern Transylvania), and some
Magyars. Historically, the Uniate movement (which also has adherents in
Eastern Galicia) date >from the Catholic Counter-Reformation of the 16th &
17th centuries.

The pre WWI counties with especially large Jewish populations (Bereg, Ung &
Maramaros) also had large Uniate populations, mostly Ruthene.
Michael G. Hillinger
mhilling@shore.net


Re: searching Hollender family #hungary

Lebn@...
 

Hi,
I know nothing about the family Hollander, but go to this site:
http://www.psk.co.at/report/index.html

It is the list of names for dormant accounts in Vienna. Go to "List of dormant
accounts,click it, go to alphabet "H", click it and scroll until you see
Hollander. There are two accounts with the Hungarian name "DEZSO" bet this was
a Hungarian Hollander living in Vienna or Hungary and depositing to this
account.
Eleanor Bien


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: searching Hollender family #hungary

Lebn@...
 

Hi,
I know nothing about the family Hollander, but go to this site:
http://www.psk.co.at/report/index.html

It is the list of names for dormant accounts in Vienna. Go to "List of dormant
accounts,click it, go to alphabet "H", click it and scroll until you see
Hollander. There are two accounts with the Hungarian name "DEZSO" bet this was
a Hungarian Hollander living in Vienna or Hungary and depositing to this
account.
Eleanor Bien


SIG mailing lists now archived #hungary

Carol Skydell <skydell@...>
 

Hello H-SIG

All messages posted to this list since July 1998 are now being
archived and are searchable online. >from JewishGen's homepage
http://www.jewishgen.org, click on Databases and then select
The JewishGen SIG Lists message Archive - 1998

Carol Skydell
JewishGen Operations


Hungary SIG #Hungary SIG mailing lists now archived #hungary

Carol Skydell <skydell@...>
 

Hello H-SIG

All messages posted to this list since July 1998 are now being
archived and are searchable online. >from JewishGen's homepage
http://www.jewishgen.org, click on Databases and then select
The JewishGen SIG Lists message Archive - 1998

Carol Skydell
JewishGen Operations